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Aemmyjah:
All those referenced or quoted from the Bible had a book written for them?
Enoch gave a very powerful, prophetic judgement against his contemporaries and that judgement has a greater fulfillment that will be done soon and Jehovah himself had it preserved down to our own time. It could have been passed either orally or written or James got the inspiration from Jesus or God himself.
Book of Enoch, a book written in the 2nd ir 1st CE is not written by Enoch or his contemporary

There's no evidence that Jude got the text from oral tradition. Infact, there's no such oral tradition in Judaism.

He quoted Enoch.directly without insinuating that he heard it from Jesus. He said "Enock the 7th from Adam prophesied..."

Where did he get Enoch's prophecy from? Your answers shouldn't be based on assumptions.

Aemmyjah:
Jude indicated he was quoting Enoch words, not a book of Enoch. Did Jude mention book of Enoch, the book of Enoch was written between 200 and 100 BCE. How did that writer get the information on what Enoch said?

What concerns anyone about the writer and his source in this argument?

You're the one that should tell us where Jude quoted Enoch from.

OLAADEGBU:
If you’ve got any evidence to counter this woman’s accusation please supply it, there’s no need to get sentimental.

If you've got any evidence to establish this woman's allegations, please supply it. There's no need to get sentimental.

Also, be mindful of the fact that I have nothing to do with Olukoya. My position is based on what I know of him. I would take the same stand with Kumuyi too if he were the one accused.

A Christian should defend the faith without any bias.

Aemmyjah:
Oga
Go and read the book of Enoch first
Nowhere did Jude reference to the Book of Enoch

Denial won't settle the matter.

Please tell me where Jude quoted Enoch from. At least he referenced Enoch.

Aemmyjah:
Show us where the Bible says Jude quoted from the Book of Enoch?

So, where did Jude quote from?

Enoch chapter 1: 9 reads,

“And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgment upon all, and to destroy all the ungodly: and to convict all flesh of all the works of their ungodliness which the ungodly have committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”


Jude 1:14 reads:

“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Where did Jude take the prophecy of Enoch from? Jude explicitly indicated he was quoting Enoch. Where did he quote Enoch from?

BoldBrainz:
Seeing how you're all-knowing na, abi?

We know him from his early days. He started out as a very upright minister of the gospel.

If you have any practical experience with him to the contrary, let the expose begin with you. As for me, I'm talking as far as I know. You and I are human, we can make wrong judgements.

OLAADEGBU:
You have spoken well.

Because he's not talking about Kumuyi?

Tell me you're a Kumuyian and not a Christian. You're openly supporting an antichristian individual because he's talking about another Christian? Who doesn't know Olukoya as a very upright man even from the early days of his ministry?

BoldBrainz:
I have no idea about this lady's issue with Daniel Olukoya of MFM, but you see that Pastor and his church? The day an exposé will be done on him and the activities going on behind the scenes of his ministry, TB Joshua's episode is going to be a joke.

Olukoya is not TB Joshua. Nothing, absolutely nothing is going on behind any scene.

Aemmyjah:
Enoch himself wrote a book?

No one ever said that.

Aemmyjah:
that book of Enoch is a fanciful work of uncertain origin, falsely attributed to Enoch

Jesus quoted mostly from the Psalms and Prophet Isaiah.

R. C. H. Lenski notes: “We ask: ‘What is the source of this patchwork, the Book of Enoch?’ This book is an accretion, and nobody is sure of the dates of its various parts . . . ; nobody can be sure that some of its expressions were not, perhaps, taken from Jude himself.”

The book of Enoch is generally believed to have been written between 200 and 100 BCE. Could you say that is a work of the man who the Bible described as the seventh in line from Adam? 🤷‍♂️

We know.

What I'm telling you is that Jude quoted from it. We're not talking about the Book's origin.

Aemmyjah:
There are places where Bible authors make references to books not included in the Bible
Jude was referencing to what Enoch said, not a book. If Jude was referencing to Noah, will you say there was a certain book of Noah.

The scriptures Jesus mentioned included the pentateuch, the Psalms, Proverbs and the prophets. We still have them today.
The ones you have in the NT were written by the Apostles after his ascension

I am telling you Jude quoted the Book of Enoch word for word. Or are you just answering me for the purpose of argument?

Enock lived about 4,000yrs before Jude, how could Jude have quoted Enock word for word if not from a written book?

Again, the Bible as we have it today was not in existence is Christ's day. What scriptures did Christ refer to at the time?

Aemmyjah:
Bible authors makes reference to some books, letters and chronicles. Still they are not part of the sacred scriptures.
There is no reference to the book of Enoch in the Bible. Only a reference to who he is, his genealogical line and what he may have done or said

He was showing you that Jude quoted that verse in Jude 1:14 from the Book of Enoch. Jude actually quoted it word for word

Remember that when Christ said search the scriptures, the Bible as we have it today was not yet collated. We must look exactly into the scriptures that were available at the time Jesus spoke, as well as the scriptures of the New Testament that came as a result of Jesus' works.

Raydos:
That is still wrong!!

Even Google is wrong, There are lot of bullshits on Google!


Leopard is Ẹkun
Cheetah is Amotekun

The meaning of "Amotekun" in literal meaning is, "The one who looks like Ẹkun" (Àmọ́tẹ́kùn)

It's because of the striking resemblance between Leopard and cheetah!


Leopard is the Ẹkun
Cheetah is Amotekun (The one who looks Like Ẹkun)


Tiger in the other hands does not exist in Yoruba land, Not even in Africa, So there is no way we will have a name for what doesn't exist on our side!!


But the name given given to Tiger recently is Ògìdán

So
Tiger — Ògìdán


Ọwawa is another animal entirely!

But cat is Ogidan.

Raydos:
Wrong!

I apologize for the slight error.

Tiger is Ekun

Leopard is Amotekun

Cheetah is Owawa

Floky215:
Anybody who don't know TB was a crook from very beginning should have his hewr checked..!!

There are other moslem men as well who claimed to have converted and hitting it big in the church scam as well..!!

Don't mind those paid propagandists defending the false prophet. They need the money very badly and so they must get it even if it means to abuse people and post deceptions on Social Media. It's too obvious those guys hate the truth. It's just too obvious.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see how lordReed denies and twists clear Truths? Atheists are Satanist and Satanism is the belief in lies and denying/denial of Truths.

If you push and argue with an atheists too much he would even deny that he is a human being stupidly asking you "how do you know you are human? And what is the proof?"

Very mad and unreasonable people.

You're right. I have once argued with an atheist regarding the evidence of a spirit world. Once the atheist was defeated, he went on to say that atheists actually believe that spirits do exists, they just don't believe in the existence of God. Then, on another occasion after that argument was long past, he began to vehemently argue again that the spirit realm does not exist. Very hypocritical set of individual who enjoy living in self deceit to the detriment of their own souls.

[quote author=LordReed post=128039346]

1 Thessalonians 4
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

[quote]How can 'we who are still alive' be referring to people who weren't alive at that time?

No one knows for certain when the Lord would come. The timeline could begin and start in one's lifetime. It's always logical to speak in the present and to live as though Christ would come today. That's the very reason Christ didn't give a specific day. So that we may live and walk as though He's coming today. There wasn't any indication that the man of sin would not be revealed even in Paul's day. So, he must speak in such a way that his hearers wouldn't lose their guard by postponing the day of the Lord in their minds. We still speak like that today because no one knows the hour or the time.

Are you telling me there were no scoffers at the time the book was written?

There were no scoffers who mocked the second coming.

1 Peter 4
7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray.

How does near now translate to thousands of years?

Revelation 22
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

Soon is now thousands of years? How?! Why would someone who is coming in thousands of years claim he is coming soon? Was he lying?

BTW you said it was Jesus who gave the timeline so where is the timeline Jesus gave and show where he said it would take thousands of years.

Soon in God's piece is not a measurement of the earthly time. In the Spirit realm, there's nothing called time. Everything is just a Now thing. Events are always Now events. Time is not measured. There are no days. There's only a day. No night and day. Just a day. It's been a day with God since the second coming was promised. That day is still running. Meanwhile, man has counted thousands of years.

God lives in Eternity. Man lives in time. In Eternity, even 10,000 years is still soon. It's just like a few seconds.

LordReed:
What timeline? Did he say it would take thousands of years? Why did people like Paul and the author of the book of Peter think it was going to happen in their lifetime?

Both Peter and Paul actually made it plain that the coming of Christ won't happen anytime soon.

Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 said:

"1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

Note:
The Lord would come at the height of the wickedness of the man of sin to destroy him with the brightness of His coming. The revelation of the man of sin is at the tale end of the timeline.

Peter said in 2 Peter 3:1-10

"1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Notes:

Can you see how in verse 3, Peter accurately prophesied concerning you scoffers and saying exactly what you would say in your mockery in verse 4?

The verses 3 and 4 are saying that scoffers would come up and say that Christ is not coming. "He has been prophesied thousands of years and the earth still remains the way it has been. Many people who heard that Christ is coming have fallen asleep (died) but till now no Christ has appeared." They'll say so because they're ignorant of God's timeline and are also unaware of God's reluctance to destroy the world. He keeps waiting for people to repent. He'll wait until the man of sin appears to completely take over the earth. The coming of Christ would be to destroy him and recover the earth from satanic destruction.

When we look at the timeline, we'll see many prophecies that have been fulfilled while others remain future. We know what to anticipate as Christians as the world draws to a close.