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OLAADEGBU:
That means that we have to intensify our prayers because the field is ripe for harvest.

Yeah. The Lord will help us.

adamusuleiman2:
And doctors went on strike for 13 months. While he kept buying Ford vehicles for ezes, igwes, and political gangsters.

Can you just imagine? Did he use charm on obidients or what? I don't understand.

OLAADEGBU:
That’s the evidence to show that they need to believe the true gospel and for them to allow the daystar appear in their hearts.

They don't understand anything about this talk of yours. They follow ungodly men who tell them what their itchy ears want to hear. They do not know Jesus.

OLAADEGBU:
They have to be born again before they can begin to discern and decipher the truth from deception.

That's true. But they believe they're already born again. They'll be cursing and churning out a whole lot of dirty language to haul at you, and still claim to be born again. Are they not deceiving themselves?

koondog:
She is an agbado, not an obedient. I'll tell you why. Number 1,Yoruba who are obedients in fact insults Yoruba who supported Tinubu more than Obidents. To them, it's very painful that most of their people supported this failure and the reason the country is in a mess.

To any sensible Yoruba, they know it's an insult for this country to be in this mess when the Yoruba race has capable minds like Osinbajo, Akinwunmi Adessina and Olusegun Aganga, who would have done exceptional well as Obi or even better. This is the pain of many sensible Yoruba, Yoruba is now a laughing stock. Even Buhari up until May 29, did exceptionally well than Tinubu.

Number 2, this lady if you watch the video claimed Tinubu won 66k votes in Anambra, that alone is enough to know she is an agbado to have believed that or even open her mouth to say that. The fact she would even nurse the idea that 66k people voted for Tinubu in Anambra, which is not even possiblein the entire SE, is an insult to Igbo people. It's not about tribalism, Obasanjo won over 90% of the SE vote in 1999 and 2003, so nothing to do with tribalism but yoruba bringing out competent candidates.

Frankly speaking, judging from his antecedents, Obi himself wasn't a competent candidate. I don't know why some people want to die for him.

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing

Kobojunkie:
Abeg, get away, you blind religious ninny!

You're possessed. You need deliverance!

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, the children of the devil — demons — are instead the ones who take after their father the devil who happens to be a liar from his beginning - John 8 vs 31 - 44.

The God of Israel commanded His people(Israel) to drink alcohol freely, even going as far as to explicitly state that they could use their tithes to purchase and drink alcohol in His presence. Jesus made it abundantly clear in His Gospel that He did only the Will of His Father, the Old Law of Moses — His food was doing that which His Father had commanded of Him as an Israelite - John 6 vs 25 - 35. This all means that Jesus Christ would never have violated the word of His Father. Now, anyone who claims He did, however, might as well be the demon here.

Your first paragraph rightly describes your person.

Francistown, what is your idea of a God if I may ask? And why do you think you cannot consider Yahweh a God?

Kobojunkie:
Look, your religious ideas contradict the God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, whom you lot pretend you follow. It is almost as though your every idea is steeped in nothing but logical fallacies. So, as far as theological dissonance, the is what is the purview of the religion of Christianity itself - a religion built on lies that pretends an alignment with that which it contradicts.

Everyone knows you're a demon!

PoliteActivist:
Thanks for the lengthy write-up.
Well, they'll ask you, so God doesn't destroy those who insult him because he is good, soo why doesn't Satan destroy those who insult him? Especially as he is god of this word and heavenly God has to be invited and can't intrude. They'll also say you paint God as being rather weak compared to God of OT.
Also God sees babies who'd be armed robbers and destroys them while saving those who'd help the world. Well they'd ask you who made them to be armed robbers and also why would God want to save those who'd help Satan's world.
About death. in the OT God punished people by shortening their lives and rewarded them by adding years, after which they were "gathered to their fathers." No inkling of death being a good thing. Even Lord Jesus never rejoiced at anybody dying and even wept when Lazarus died.
About suffering of the Jews, they'd ask you why the disciples who killed nobody suffered worse

Well, some of the questions are actually misplaced because they are the wrong questions asked in ignorance. I correct the questions by providing more clarify as I proceed.

Question 1
Well, they'll ask you, so God doesn't destroy those who insult him because he is good, soo why doesn't Satan destroy those who insult him?

Answer
For clarity, God is long-suffering and would wait really long for the individual to repent before he or she is judged. He doesn't judge the individual out of hatred but for Justice. God loves man but hates the sins man commits. The insulter of God would still be destroyed when his cup is full. But God would wait very long for him.

Satan destroys those who insult him but he doesn't have the ultimate power to do so. He is a created being. He has no absolute power over man who is another created being like himself. If Satan would destroy someone, he'll first look for legal loopholes in the person's life, and then carry out the destruction by proxy.

...Especially as he is god of this word and heavenly God has to be invited and can't intrude.

For more clarity, Satan is the god of this world. He controls the affairs of the world, particularly its administration. Satan still has his limits in the life of man. He owns the world but he doesn't own man. I can own a house without owning the properties inside the house. You get the logic?A man must give himself out to Satan before Satan can claim ownership of the man and enter his life as he pleases. Men often hand over their lives to Satan through occultism. Satan can't destroy a man at will. Such an operation follows some rules.

Question 2
They'll also say you paint God as being rather weak compared to God of OT.

Answer
I think they ignorantly consider God in the Old Testament as wicked. They need some clarifications about that beyond the scope of this discourse. However, let me state here that God is extremely just, and what you see of God in the Bible are the results of His perfect justice. His methods of bringing justice in the Old Testament is different from that of the New because God divided time into 2 dispensations. Each dispensation has its purpose. We can't go into these in details but very briefly,

1. God in the Old Testament was showing man that He loves man especially those who do righteousness. God never destroys or bring evil on righteous people.

2. God in the Old Testament showed us that sin has SEVERE consequences. Even a nation or man that God so much loves is not spared the consequences of sin. God will severely judge sin, no matter who committed it. The judgement can be gruesome but it's part of Justice. God is a Judge. You don't call a judge a wicked man for sentencing a murderer to death, do you?

3. In the Old testament, God wanted man to see that the ability for him to do righteousness is zero. Man will still commit sin even in the midst of stringent laws that have grievous consequences. Consequences don't deter man. Man is helpless before sin because he has a sin nature from the Adamic fall. Man needs help. This is clearly demonstrated in the Old Testament.

4. In the new testament, after God has demonstrated the weakness of man and his need for a helper to overcome sin, God brought in Grace. Jesus the sinless man has to stand in the gap between God and man, and bear responsibility for man's sins since man cannot do without sinning. Man was not created that way. The inherent ability of Man to sin was given to him through the spirit of disobedience that Adam received when he ate the forbidden fruit. Man cannot do without sinning, hence, Jesus to the rescue. By Jesus, man can no longer face the consequences of his own sin because Christ paid for him. He then empowers man to live righteously through the help of the Holy Ghost.

The bottomline of it all is that, in the final judgement, man wouldn't have an excuse. There's no one judged to spend eternity in hell who'll be accusing God in his mind of being unjust or of not being given all opportunities to live righteously.

i. The Old testament man may say, "God knows we're weak when it comes to sin, yet he inputs our sins upon us whereas He knows that we do not have the ability to do righteousness." God would show old testament man the new testament people upon whom sin was not imputed but still rejected the offer and refused to embrace God's provision for righteousness. God needs righteousness in man for Him to relate with man. Man was created purposely for relationship and fellowship with God. God cannot ignore sin.

Ii. The new testament men might say, "Oh, we would have been more serious about righteousness if God has given us stringent laws with grievous consequences to deter us from sin." God would show them the new testament men who kept sinning and kept facing consequences without any restraint.

God is so just that even after judging you, He wants you to know that you're truly guilty of your sin, and your judgement is well deserved. Man wouldn't be able to blame God for the final state of his own soul. He'll know for certain that he got there by the choices he made. God cannot be blamed.

Question 3
Also God sees babies who'd be armed robbers and destroys them while saving those who'd help the world. Well they'd ask you who made them to be armed robbers and also why would God want to save those who'd help Satan's world.

Answer
God doesn't make anyone armed robbers or pastors. Everyone becomes who he or she becomes by the choices he or she makes from time to time. God can direct a man's life to become an Engineer, a Doctor or a Pastor but the person may choose instead to become an armed robber or a kidnapper. It's the person's choice. God never created man as zombies who do things by being programmed to do it. Man does things by making the choices to do them. That's why man would be fully responsible for his own actions. God can see the future choices a baby would make.

By sparing a baby who'll bless the world in future, God is not preserving those who'll help Satan's world but rather, He's preserving those who'll DISRUPT Satan's activities in the world. Satan wants full scale evil and wickedness all over the world. God raises people who restraints him. People who'll do some disruptive good in the midst of a wicked world. Otherwise, the world would have been so unbearable to dwell in.

Also, it is wrong to say God destroyed the babies who'll be future Evils. Destruction comes from 4 sources: God, Man, Satan and Nature.

When there's a natural disaster, a man or a baby could be caught up if he or she has no defence. It's wrong to think God destroyed somebody because he fell victim of a mishap. Let me explain with a real life example.

When I was in Ilorin in 2016. A member of our church testified of how his daughter was miraculously saved from death. He said during the weak, their first born daughter, about 9yrs at the time was busy in the kitchen while the rest of the family were in the sitting room. The girl just left the kitchen suddenly and walked aimlessly into the parlor. The kitchen was somehow detached from the main building. You know those types of old houses. As soon as the girl stepped into the sitting room, they heard a loud noise coming from outside. When they went to check it out, the kitchen roof had given way and had collapsed into the kitchen. If the girl had remained there at the time, no doubt, she won't make it alive. This is a clear demonstration of the defense we all have. A Godless person is actually defenceless. His defences are removed. He is bare and spiritually vulnerable. However, Satan does not usually attack those because they're like pets in a cage that could could be taken out at anytime. They don't bear any threat to Satan, so they might even live peaceful lives until Satan is ready to take them out or a natural disaster befalls them. Anything can happen to them at any time. A Godly person is often seen as a threat to Satan , so attacks against him never stops. However,che has a defence. He can fall a victim of mishap if he chooses to be ignorant of his rights in God or fails to cultivate his ability to listen to his inner witness and hear God's instructions. Sometimes, the instruction might be to get off a bus 'A' ready to travel and enter into another empty bus 'B' awaiting passengers to travel. Such an instruction can save a man's life as the bus 'A' may never reach its destination. This explains one of the many reasons why on some occasions, godly people may be involved in calamities. Disobedience to instructions or inability to hear the voice of God. The very lack of spiritual sensitivity is the major reason why some righteous people suffer. This also couples with the lack of knowledge for many.

So mishaps can happen to people from either of 4 sources but a defended person is hardly caught up in them.

Question 4

About death. in the OT God punished people by shortening their lives and rewarded them by adding years, after which they were "gathered to their fathers." No inkling of death being a good thing. Even Lord Jesus never rejoiced at anybody dying and even wept when Lazarus died.

Answer
I never said death is a good thing from any man's perspective. That's only from God's perspective. God wants us to come home and be with Him which means death, but He also recognizes that we desire long life here on earth. He gives that desire as a reward to good people or even as an expanded opportunity for a sinner or a wicked man to repent. He can however shorten the life of a righteous man in love, if He finds that the righteous man would soon make wrong choices in life that would erode his righteousness. King Hezekiah of Judah is a case study in this regard. Also, the Bible makes us to know that God does take away righteous men before the evil days come.

The Lord Jesus did weep for Lazarus because He was clothed with man's flesh and had the feelings of a man. He saw the emotions of Mary and Martha, and how sorely embittered they were in their souls. He was moved to compassion, not because He couldn't raise Lazarus or because He thought Lazarus was in some evil state. The dejected states of Lazarus' sisters was what moved Jesus. He knew before getting there that Lazarus was dead but He didn't weep until He saw Mary. God doesn't see death as an evil. A homecoming is not evil in anyway. He can use it as a punishment for wickedness by depriving the wicked man his most intense longing - long life. Death itself is not the punishment in this case but the cutting off of the man's desire. Like in the example I gave in my previous post. In reverse, the friends and relations around your loved one who travelled abroad might weep and start missing him or her when returning back home to you. Meanwhile, you are here rejoicing and eagerly waiting to receive the person. That's how the issue of death is between God and man. But to punish wickedness, God can cut take away the wicked man's desire for life. To reward righteousness, God can prolong a man's days by fulfilling his desire to live long. "DESIRE" is the major word here. "The expectations of the wicked shall be cut off."

Question 5
About suffering of the Jews, they'd ask you why the disciples who killed nobody suffered worse.

Answer
This is supposed to be a very lengthy answer but I'll try as much as possible to be brief.

The disciples actually had a special case which God never explained. In 1 Corinthians 4, Paul said God had deliberately set it so for the apostles. However,it should interest you to know that the disciples themselves were fully aware that they would suffer martyrdom from the very beginning of their walks with God. Jesus Christ clearly told them without mincing words, and they fully embraced it with joy. Infact they eagerly awaited such a time when they'll offer their own lives. Not only that, they always had a pre-knowledge of the death they were about to die.

For example, when the two sons of Zebedee came asking Jesus to grant them special seats and positions in His eternal kingdom, Jesus asked them if they can partake of the cup He was about to drink. That cup was the crucifixion on the cross. The two guys responded in the affirmative. Jesus told them that they'll certainly drink. That's to say, they'll suffer martyrdom, but the right to sit in special places in His kingdom is already pre-ordained. All the disciples who suffered martyrdom knew they would. As the day approached, they had the pre-knowledge. They joyfully embraced it. Let's hear from Peter and Paul:

2 Peter 1:13
I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things"

Peter wrote this shortly before his martyrdom. He said the Lord Jesus made it clear to him. And he was very willing to give his life.

Let's hear Paul too.

2 Timothy 4:6-8

"6 For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing."

Paul knew very clearly that he was about to be martyred. He also embraced it with joy. All martyrs actually had a pre knowledge, both the direct disciples of Christ and all matyrs through church history. You can even read about the matyredom of Polycarp and several other matyre.

They were always given two choices by their executors, either to recant and live or to continue professing Jesus and die. They all chose death. Why? Maybe we can get some clues from the response of Polycarp when he was asked to recant and deny Jesus:

"Eighty and six years I have served Him, and He has done me no wrong."

Meanwhile, he was pre-informed by Jesus that he would be burnt alive.

PoliteActivist:
Thanks for calling the write-up "a wonderful exposition", but remember, I am playing devil's advocate for both sides.
So. how would you answer when they ask:

Why do countless people die from natural disasters, diseases, wars, etc. including children, babies, even those still in the womb?
And why do some people deny and deride God daily and still live their full lives sometimes much better than others, while churches and mosques sometimes collapse or are attacked killing worshippers inside, sometimes including babies?

How would you answer these?

Honestly, I love these questions so much. These are the types of questions atheists are supposed to seek answers to before making erroneous conclusions about God. Hence I'll answer these questions and even more. I'll disregarded every other mention from this thread right now and focus on these questions because they're the main issues most atheists have with God.

Permit me to quote scriptures because if you ask questions regarding God, you can only see clarifications from what God has said about Himself and the explanations He has given concerning seemingly confusing events.

Question 1

Why do countless people die from natural disasters, diseases, wars, etc. including children, babies, even those still in the womb?


Answer

Very simple answer. People, including babies fall into diverse mishap because wicked forces are in control of man's world.

It was man's world. God created the world and handed man its absolute control. ABSOLUTE CONTROL. Man was the god of this world. He had control over the physical, natural and spirit realms.

When a farmer loses control of His farm, weeds and thorns would take over. The earth is Satan's property because man handed it over to him. Satan is the god of this world who controls all the happenings in the world. He has ABSOLUTE CONTROL. God would
not interfere without being invited. It's a spiritual law. God isn't a lawbreaker. He doesn't break even the laws He has set by Himself. He can only intervene, not intrude, and that by invitation. Whenever God intervenes, it's called a miracle. A miracle is simply God's intervention in Satan's world to help a particular human or a group of humans. Once a tenant legally takes over a property, he becomes the lord of that property until his tenancy expires. The landlord cannot interfere, he can only intervene upon invitation. That's the simplest way to explain it. However, the issue is much more broader than that. Man has no words to explain some certain spiritual phenomenon. You need a personal understanding to grasp the scope of these things.

"The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.[/v]" Psalm 115:16

Man handed the earth over to Satan in Eden. Earth became Satan's property legally. It was supposed to be a perpetual transaction but God turned it into a form of finite tenancy by the coming of Jesus. Satan's ownership of the earth now has an expiry date

Luke 4:9-11
[b]"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant ALL THE KINGDOMS of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.”

You can hear the devil boasting that the world belongs to him because it has been given to him and therefore HE CAN EVEN GIVE IT TO ANYONE HE WANTS. Yeah, it was given to him by Adam through a spiritual transaction. Jesus didn't dispute that statement because He knew it was true.

A property owner has the right to do his property as he wishes. Jesus turned Satan's ownership into tenancy (This is another separate discussion on its own - very broad). The god of this world distributes what he wishes around the world. God won't interfere. It would make Him a God of illegality. He can only intervene when invited. However, if you are a faithful follower of God (not necessarily a church goer. When you see people dancing and praising God in church, among them are prostitutes, armed robbers, ritualists, satanists, cultists, etc. Not everyone in church is God's. God is not attracted to buildings. Buildings are for men even when they call it the house of God. God's house is man's heart.) A true follower of God is the only one to whom God has respect. Satan sits in so many hearts. God's men, and by extension, God's houses are relatively few.

1 John 5:19
"We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one."

God has His selected few in the midst of this perverse world. The rest of the world is under the control of the wicked one - Satan.

"Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” Revelation 11:15.

At the expiration of time, the Kingdoms of this world would BECOME the Kingdom of God and of Christ. Christ is the second Adam who would receive to Himself the restoration of the world on behalf of man.

Question 2
And why do some people deny and deride God daily and still live their full lives sometimes much better than others, while churches and mosques sometimes collapse or are attacked killing worshippers inside, sometimes including babies?

Answer

God is not an emotional Being. He works according to rules and principles. God does not get angry with you when you deride Him or throw Him insults. He looks mercifully on such because He knows they're ignorant. You'll see that in Jesus' response as He was nailed to the tree: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Those were not man's words. Those are divine words flowing out of the Devine nature. That's the nature of God. He gives the sinner all the opportunities he has in this world to repent until his time is up. God does not have the faintest evil thoughts in mind towards such persons. His principle is that justice would be served as soon as the fellow's cup is full. God doesn't judge people because he hates them. He judges them because that's justice. He earnestly wants a sinner to repent rather than face judgement. God will wait very long for the sinner to repent. That sinner would have no excuse when his cup is full.

Romans 2:4

"Or do you despise the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?"

Now, let's talk about why God looks on when churches are attacked and people get killed in church.

As I've said earlier, God is not interested in buildings. Sometimes, what people call the house of God are actually houses of Satan. A place doesn't become the house of God just because people worship there. Jesus wrote to 7 churches in the book of Revelation 2 - 3. Out of those 7 churches which were referred to by everyone as the gatherings of God's people and the Holy Houses of God, the Lord Jesus acknowledged just 2. Others where tagged synagogue of Satan by Jesus Himself while humans tag them houses of God.

Wherever there's calamity, many people would suffer, but God would give His select few a means of escape. This is applicable even to so called churches of God. God will give His own a means of escape.

God does not see babies as men see them. Men see babies in the present, God sees babies in their future. While you are looking at a young innocent beautiful baby, God may be looking at an armed robber, a hardened criminal, a prostitute, a murderer or a man of God, a great president, an outstanding scientist in the same baby. God will save babies that are worth saving even in the midst of dangerous calamities that take away adults. He knows the ones who'll bless the world in Adulthood. Take for example the case of a baby in Palestine who was found unscathed under the rubbles of a fallen house days after its family was annihilated by an Israeli strike to their home. Everyone knows that's a miracle. A Devine intervention. You don't need to look far before you'll find that God preserved the baby for a future. He considered her worth saving.

Let me add that God does not see death the way humans see it. Humans see death as a painful loss. It weighs heavily on the emotions. It's regarded as the greatest evil. God doesn't see death that way. God sees death as a simple transition from the ephemeral physical state to an eternal spiritual state. The spiritual state offers more benefits and pleasure than the physical state. To God, it's not evil to transit from the good to the better. Men see it as evil because they can't see beyond the physical. Some people would rejoice boundlessly if they're permitted to see the state of their departed loved ones. Especially babies. People who die in Christ in particular do not want a chance to return to this world. Death is not a termination of life. It is the real begining of the real life.

Well, it's understandable. You could grow emotional when your loved one is departing your country to another country. No matter whatever good the other country offers, your emotions would come to play when waving the person goodbye because you know you won't see him again for a long time to come. How much more when someone leaves the earth? Then, look at it, the friends in that other country are joyously and eagerly awaiting the the arrival of the same loved one you're getting emotional about. God rejoices when He sees someone coming home to Him. You cannot imagine how much God loves man.

Psalm 116:15
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his faithful servants.

Let me add another question which you didn't ask:

Question 3

Why was God looking on when Hitler killed the Jews?

Answer

The Jews have suffered worldwide even before the holocaust. They were objects of mockery everywhere in the world. At the time, Jewish lives didn't matter. All sorts of calamities befell them. It has been so since AD 70 when the Roman Armies destroyed Jerusalem, and escaped Jews became vagabonds all over the world for almost 2 millennia.

However, they were the ones who brought the calamity upon themselves by their response when Pilate told them He wouldn't have his hands in the death of the innocent man Jesus. How did they respond?

Mathew 27:25
"All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

That blood haunted them until Hitler. You can read stories of the pre-hitler sufferings of the Jews.

Note that God does not any longer count the physical Jews as His special people. His special people in the new testament are those who believe in His Son Jesus and follow Him faithfully. These are the spiritual Jews with whom God reckons today. The physical Jews have been discarded.

Romans 2:29

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

The spiritual Jew is the only Jew God recognizes today. That spiritual Jew is that black, white, blue or red man who is a true follower of Christ.

Well, these are just the fundamental answers to these questions. The answers are quite broader than these. So many things have been left unsaid due to the constraints of space and time. But to the genuinely curious individual, these answers provide an open door to more enquiries and research to get to the very depth of the answers. Once you understand, you'll discover that there are some things you cannot even express in words.

FRANCISTOWN:
Even with how hard you tried to dodge the obvious. You are evil, extremely evil. So evil, so so evil. Very evil, very very evil. So very evil. So very much evil.
Evil, so very much more. That's what you guys are.

Lol.

That's the same way you tagged God evil without knowing anything about God except what ignorant preachers of religion told you.

You don't know me. So, you're just being childish again.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! I'm childish because I refused to be conformed with evil? What a play.🤣🤣🤣

There is no answer anyone wants to give that we've not heared countless of them.

It's either:
•God was more interested in their souls than their bodies thus prepared he them for eternal life. Eternal life my ass. Eternal life that there is no proof of. They, not considering that there might actually be very wicked people amongst those who died.
I doubt if they'd be exonerated of their guilts just because they died by Hitler.

•Or God knows the best.

Evil is actually evil.
Incapability is actually incapability.

There is no justification for an omnipotent god to open his eyes and watch as bandits attack his children in his own house without doing shit about it.
Even your bible says , only a stronger man can rob a strong man. He first ties him up and robs him with his eyes wide open.
The same with armed robbers, their arms make them stronger.
Should we agree that the bandits are stronger than your god, that's the reason he can't do anything with his eyes wide open?
Could it be that he doesn't even have eyes?
Could it be that he doesn't even have ears?
Could he be that he is not omnipotent after all?
I get it, it's simply because he doesn't exist.

I'm not sure I'd have the power to protect my kids and I'll do nothing, unless I'm mad.

An Omnipotent god is watching a kid being molested and at a snap of his fingers, the molester can vanish or petrify. Yet he doesn't do shit and just enjoy the show.

There is no justification under the skies that can absorb such level of foolishness, wickedness, immorality and irresponsibility of a self caused God. (Thinking about this I'm getting angry self).

Lemme share this with you, in the author's words:

"The story goes like this: in kidnapping 5–6 year old boys, and then raping and torturing them to death on video, which was then sold to wealthy businessmen around the world.

At the time, I remember reading that when the Russian policemen and soldiers busted the place, they couldn’t help but cry because of what they saw.

As I prayed, and read the Bible, and contemplated the horseshit within it, one inescapable conclusion kept popping up in my mind that while those little boys were being tortured and were dying in an unimaginable way, this Christian god was present in that same room, had the power to stop it, and didn’t.

We always hear that pedophiles do not survive long in prisons because even the worst offenders we have - rapists and murderers, do not tolerate pedophiles. They kill them because even the worst we have understand that a pedophile is the lowest of the low, violating the innocence. Yet omnipresent, omnipotent god knew from the beginning of time that these boys would suffer this fate, was present in the room while it was happening, and did nothing. I could never reconcile that with what the Bible taught."

1. Even the policemen who raided the place couldn't help at the sight of that kind of horror. They were sad to their souls that they shed hot, bitter tears. Yet, a supposed omnipotent, omnipresent god couldn't do anything about it. Imagine how many kids have been molested, killed (I can't even talk about it because it's too terrible to imagine)

2. @The second emboldened. Even rapists, murderers and other hardened criminals cannot tolerate pedophiles, yet a supposed god would rather enjoy the show. Does that make any sense to you?

That's the reason I said, none of the supreme beings being worshipped in every religion on earth fits into what can be called a "God". They fit more into a "Demon". Even demons if they existed can never be that wicked and irresponsible. The ideology of a "God" is very stupid and imbecilic.

The Muslim guys are way smarter, that's the reason they call their supposed "God" Allah. They knew the characteristics of Allah does not fit into what is supposed to be called a "God".
Yahweh doesn't even come close. If he existed, he would effortlessly pass the interview to being a demon(a very wicked one at that).

Do you still want me to ask questions? Then I'd be a very stupid, wicked, demented earthly bastard to tryna find a way around this abominable act of outlandish wickedness.

If yourself, PoliteActivist, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, MaxInDHouse, DrJones109, Jesusjnr2022 and several others are cool with this supposed "God"? Your wickedness must be out of this world.

Even all your lengthy talks here further proofs that you're childish regarding spiritual matters.

I never said you're childish because you refused to be confirmed with evil. Which evil? You're childish because you ask unknowledgeable and childish questions while providing childish answers for yourself.

LordReed:
LoLz. Answer the question honestly if you can and stop playing games. You accused me of dodging questions but see this simple question that you are dodging as if it is bullet.

I've answered your question. Your answer is in my question. If you can answer my question, then you have your answer. I didn't dodge anything. That's a false accusation.

Dtruthspeaker:
Hebrews 3 and 4 does not show Paul disobeying The Sabbath Whereas Luke23:56 shows them obeyiing it. Bro, Fear God ooo.

To you one day is your chosen day to honour God. To me, all days are God's days.

To you, you worship God only in a temple on a Sabbath. To me, I worship God anywhere and everywhere because I'm God's temple. In what way am I not fearing God?

You rest only one day of the week. I rest all days in Christ Jesus because "We who have believed in Him do enter into His rest." The 6th day rest is a foreshadowing of God's eternal rest for those who are in Christ Jesus. This is well explained in Hebrew 3 and 4 as well as several other scriptures.

You're still in the old testament my brother. God is already in the new. I would do a scripture exposition regarding Hebrews 3 and 4 if you oblige.

Meanwhile, you couldn't point out any place where the disciples observed the Sabbath in their gatherings all through their ministries. Your reference is a single reference to a time they observed it because it was the national law.

There's evidence in Scripture that the disciples even worshipped on Sundays.

All is well in Jesus name.

LordReed:
Look who is dodging question now. LoLz.

The question itself is in itself the answer.

mrrandomguy:
Rockefeller once said "Behind every great wealth there is a crime". All over the world, people that control big ENTERPRISES are some times mafias, gang, criminals, who take advantage of the way things are been done to criminally connive with one another to collapse thriving businesses that would have provide Employment for many people, but they will destroy the enterprise to their gain. When crimes are not punished, they take advantage of the linkages in the system to defraud the ENTERPRISES.
The Criminal connivance of all these boys to liquidate, Intercontinental Bank, is appauling, no one investigated this crime against humanity until now, which means we have mafias in Nigeria, which can be likened to the mafiaso in Italy. The most annoying thing is that they all belong to the Redeemed Christians Church of God, City of David Parish Superintendent by our own Vice President, Prof. Yemi Osinbajo, who was the Provincial Pastor before becoming the Vice President.

Karma!!

You cannot build something on nothing!! These cowboys snatched Intercontinental Bank PLC from Dr Erastus Akingbola because, they're highly connected. They're all cursed & jinxed.
Check their list & what have befallen them one after the other!

1. Emir Sanusi Lamido: Dethroned & banished from Kano Emirate.bHe was the CBN Governor when the deal was sealed (Disgraced).

2. Dr Olusola Saraki: His family Dynasty in Kwara state. Crumbled, lost a vast property situated along Glover road Ikoyi to Fed Govt. Now, boy boy to Nyesom Wike, the strongest man in PDP.

3. Late Hubert Wigwe: He was on his way to watch Super Bowl (American football championship) competition in Las Vegas, California. Wigwe University now in disarray.

4. Aig Imougkuede: Had Glaucoma operation on left eye, to go for the second operation very soon. Partially blind!

5. Mr Alabi: (interim MD) foisted by Sanusi Lamido. Down with stroke in Ilorin. In a vegetative state!!

6. Gen. Olusegun Obasanjo: Letter writer of Nigeria, chronic diabetes patient, barred from Aso-Rock by Jagaban. What a disgrace for former president!

7. Osinbajo: Lost the presidential primaries by coming a distant third. All his hair have turned grey overnight.

Now, Dr Erastus Akingbola who is 78 years is healthy, sound & living a low profile life & seek God's judgement on all these people. He has won his property cornered by Access Bank at 999c Danmole street, VI; IB PLC former head office; Court ordered Access Bank to vacate the place immediately; Vast estate seized by EFCC along Sinari Daranijo Street, V.I. returned to him (Akingbola) with apologies!!
So, you can see that, God is the ultimate judge. I knew all these, because,I was there as a staff, when these cowboys committed all the atrocities. Just because, Akingbola refused to fund PDP then!
Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Thanks for the piece. Would you please briefly state their involvements? For example, did you rope Osinbajo into the saga just because he was their provincial pastor? You know Akingbola himself was a member of Redeem too.

LordReed:
Look who is dodging question now. LoLz.

You should answer my question if you're not dodging it? Your answer is in my question.

LordReed:
Do you believe everything you hear?

Do you disbelieve everything you hear?

LordReed:
Can you quote where you asked me these questions and I dodged it? LoLz.

If science discovers a god after I am dead what do you expect I'd be able to do? I'd be dead for Andromeda's sake. LoLz.

What is more stupid is believing stuff you have no evidence for. I'd rather apportion my confidence according to the availability of evidence. If a god exists and decides that my approach is wrong then that god is foolish.

I even demonstrated this question with a fictional story I created a thread for, where I talked about some men who went on a long journey in the service of their village. I narrated that they got to a village where they were told that the king of one of the next villages beheads those who refuse to wear a red cap. Remember? I narrated how some of these men said such a king does not exist, and proceeded on that journey without a red cap. Remember that thread? It was on that same thread I spoke on the limitations of Science and why it's foolish to live one's life on assumptions regarding the future of his soul. I narrated that the wise ones, even though they do not have any means of verifying whether such a king truly exists, yet they had a red cap on in case.... Remember? And of course, they have nothing to loose. At least I remember very vividly that you engaged me on that thread.

You can't say you do not have any evidence of God except your spirit is dead. And if your spirit is dead, God has put the evidence of Himself in every man. You need to shut off that inner witness in order to embrace atheism. Every man has that inner feelings in the deep recesses of his mind that there's a Supreme Being somewhere worthy of worship. It is absolutely natural. And if you have shut off your inner witness, God still reveals Himself in nature and the invisible laws that govern the human life and the vast universe. Science discovered those laws, it didn't create them , and every law has a legislator. Laws never get enacted by accident. And if you refuse to see that, then He sent men into the world to teach people about Himself. The Devil brought many counterfeit gods to confuse men so that they'll lose sight of the true God, yet God still sent His Son to help you decide the truth in the midst of so many falsehoods.

Many miracles are happening around you daily by the finger of God. You choose not to see those miracles. When you hear of them, you say they're all lies. You refuse to go to places where God is demonstrating His Presence and revealing Himself to people. You read the wrong books that keep you in eternal bondage to Satan. Of course, Satan is the god of atheism whom atheists worship without knowing. You are inexcusable!. God has all His evidences scattered everywhere. You're the one who's foolish for ignoring them. God will still judge you for refusing to stick your neck out to find God. God is not your puppet who must come to meet you where you are. You can't put Him in a box.

If you want to see God, go search for God where He may be found. If others are finding Him, why not you? You'll be damn foolish when others in the hereafter begin to testify how they met God while you kept rebelling against God in hope that He'll understand that you cannot believe in Him because you have no evidence. As long as others are having evidences, you'll be the fool.

FRANCISTOWN:
Yeah! I've said it countless times on this forum that if any God jumped down from heaven and goes like "yo! I'm you guys' God. Tada!" I'd still not be impressed, and I'd just go about doing my own thing. I won't worship him neither will I praise him nor pray to him.

You're the one who's childish because you refused to learn.

If you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answers. Why didn't God save the Jews from Hitler? Why didn't God save christians from attacks? Why didn't God deliver His worshippers from bandits? They're all childish questions stemming from acute ignorance. If you ask why, you'll know why.

You've deliberately chosen to be ignorant and rebellious. There's no point discussing with you.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Sooo, why is everybody quiet?
Bearing in mind that science has demonstrated that there are at least ten dimensions and possibly a thousand more (but we can only perceive 4, four!!, geniuses that we are), and being neither on the side of atheists nor religionists, I want to present the following screenshots.

Also:

Since we have demonstrated that nothing is still something, why can't the universe come from that nothing that is something, and that nothing itself be eternal?

Why is there something instead of nothing?

All these people that have had supernatural experiences, where do they come from? Like this woman below, where are those voices from?

All these "glitches in the matrix", why do they occur?

The two guys, you never asked how cogito was proven wrong - sign of intellectual non-curiosity!

This is a wonderful exposition but unfortunately atheists would buy none of it. They would not subject themselves to God even if they saw Him face to face.

I have come to realize that for someone to become an atheist, he first has to fight off any thoughts of God's existent. It takes time for them to ingrain it firmly in their minds that there is no God. It's a deliberate act of manipulating the mind to believe a false reality. They actually don't want to acknowledge God, not because they think He does not exist but because they don't want to have anything doing with Him. It's a deliberate choice they made after falling prey to faulty logic.

I have heard Francistown if I'm not mistaking him for another, who said he would never even believe in God if God shows up to Him today, especially the Christian God. This actually is the position of most atheists. That's why they would do nothing to verify the existence of the supernatural even when it is happening close to their nostrils . They prefer to sit in their corners while telling themselves that everything they're been told about supernatural demonstrations in a nearby place is a lie. We've told them several times where they could go see the supernatural, they refuse to go. Maynman even avoided a one on one encounter with me.

Whatever supernatural occurrence or experience you narrate to any atheist, his first and only reaction is that you're lying. He pulls up very childish thoughts and asks so much irrelevant questions that reek of deep seated ignorance while commending himself for being intelligent when it's so obvious that intelligence is far from him. Intelligence itself is knowledge based. If you don't talk knowledgeably about spiritual things but only dismiss them as hoaxes, I'll consider you spiritually foolish. A spiritual barbarian. And of cause, that's how I view all atheists, especially the ones on this forum who pride themselves on calling others fools when they're the real fools.

As Brian Cox rightly said in the OP's excerpt, there are 10 dimensions (probably even more) out of which only 4 are known to man. Which means all scientific knowledge revolve around those 4 dimensions . There 6 known dimensions that remain unexplored. The conclusion that there's no God is a hasty conclusion based on the incomplete knowledge of the 4 dimensions which themselves have not been fully explored.

Oftentimes I've asked atheists like lordreed, maynman and jaephoenix a question which they always dodge, and I shall ask the same question here again against the backdrop of what Brian Cox said. Science is ever evolving and can not lay any claim yet to perfect knowledge or absolute knowledge. What science does not know is more than what science knows. That's why its grounds are always shifting. If science discovers the existence of God after you die, what shall be your fate? Science has been known to abolish previous theories and ideas in preference for new ones in the light of fresh discoveries. It's very foolish for anybody to rely on incomplete and imperfect scientific findings in absolution. Even staking your life on science that doesn't have the answers when you ask "What happens after death?"

Some scientists are getting to realize now that there is much likely to be some forms of consciousness or reality after death. That's very interesting because oftentimes scientific discoveries begin with some packets of non conventional ideas here and there until it becomes mainstream after being proven beyond reasonable doubt that those ideas provide authentic information. Most atheists are gambling their lives away in exchange for a painful eternal reality.

https://www.nyas.org/news-articles/academy-news/is-there-life-after-death/

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are moving the standard. First, it was the disciples never kept the sabbath but now i have shown you they did, you have changed post to "full operation".

it is fatal to never listen to God especially after He has warned that He Honours His Word even above heaven and earth. He even Said, Forever! Love yourselves o man and live by fearing God and His Word

Please read Hebrews 3 and 4.

The disciples never observed Sabbath. I told you why they did in that only instance you quoted. I also showed you what the Lord Jesus said about the Sabbath.

Anyway, no one would go to hell for keeping or not keeping a day or days. All these were spiritual symbolisms in the old testament which Jesus fulfilled in the new.

If you observe a day or days as being holy. You observed them to God. if you do not observe any particular day but choose all days as being holy. It is to God as well.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet the disciples obeyed it,as seen in Luke 23:56 and other scriptures. Hmmm. You people dont love yourselves o.

The disciples couldn't have done otherwise in that context. They obeyed custom or law of the nation knowing' fully well in their hearts that the era of observing physical days was past.
Do you have any reference in the Acts of Apostles when the church was in full operation where the Apostles observed such sabbatical rest?

It's very dangerous for believers to stand where God was yesterday without taking note of where God is today. We're in the New testament. Not the old. The Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ Jesus. Have you studied Hebrews 3 and 4?

Dtruthspeaker:
So Exodus 20:11 is a Lie? Hmm. You people dont love yourselves.

Exodus 20:11 is a shadow. God is not interested in days. He's interested in people. Jesus first gave the hint when He said:

“The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mathew 2:27)

The Sabbath is symbolic of God's rest which He gives to Believers as the Rest of Salvation.

The rest is fulfilled in Christ Jesus because everyone who receives Christ automatically enters into the Rest of God. Believers live in a perpetual Sabbath. Not just one day out of 7. All days are Sabbaths for believers. God must be worshipped all days and not just one day in a week. All our lives on earth are Sabbath life. We are in God's eternal rest. Not just one day in a week but all our lives.

Fior better understanding, read Hebrews 3 and 4 where the scriptures explained Exodus 20:11 in light of the new testament dispensation.

Remember that the Lord Jesus Himself is Lord of the Sabbath: Mathew 12:8.

In true worship, all days are acceptable unto the Lord. Just as my beloved brother, Ken4Christ has rightly said with relevant scriptural references. In this New Testament dispensation, you can worship God anytime, any day and any where. You are God's temple. Not a building. He dwells in you and is with you all the time to accept your worship. If you decide to set any day apart as your special day for God, it would be accepted and God would immediately mark that day as a special day of appointment between you and Him.

Most Christians actually think that worship is only what you do in church when you clap, sing, dance and open a Bible. Worship is more than that. Your life itself is a means of worship. When you're pleasing God with the way you live, it's another form of worship. When you help your fellow humans in God's name or give to the cause of the Gospel, that's another form of worship as long as IT IS DONE IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. That's why Jesus said:

John 4:
"21 ...believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The very essence of worship in the new testament is to make our lives glorify God by making ourselves living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto God which is OUR TRUE WORSHIP. God won't accept your Sunday or Saturday or any day worship if you miss the true worship.

Romans 12:1 (Amplified Version):

"Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies [dedicating all of yourselves, set apart] as a living sacrifice, holy and well-pleasing to God, which is your rational (logical, intelligent) act of worship."

Contrary to what my beloved brother Dtruthspeaker said, there's no particular holy day. Whatever day you choose as holy is holy unto you. And if you choose no holy day, you're not commiting any sin.

triplechoice:
Why do you want to lie and deceive yourself? An ignoramus means an ignorant and stupid person and you say that's not an insult?

You just said it has to
do with dreams which you were explaining and I jumped in to interrupt and insult you. Now that I reminded that it was the spirit and husband thread, you want to change it. I think something is wrong with you. SMH. You were the one that started the insult, not me . Good you just admitted it. So who's now the rude person?
. So many unverified stories
. You're just bluffing . You don't know it more than the Catholic priest who are well trained in it.
What do you know about me ? I'm not a kid and I have been to places and done things you dare not do as a Christian

You're defending what's putting food on your table with anything you can come up with.

I said what you're doing is not different from what TB Joshua did when he was alive.

You're messing up with the minds of ignorant people who come to you for deliverance

And no matter the good you think that's coming from it, you are also adding to their problems.

People who have been convinced by pastors like yourself that they can be possessed by demons have already condemned themselves to a life of perpetual misery. From that moment onwards,every single problem they face is attributed to demons. How can that kind of person know peace. No way!

The very same character I saw in you that made me tell you to stop mentioning me.

An ignoramus means an Ignorant OR stupid person. And in the context of what we were discussing, everyone knows I meant that you were ignorant. Not stupid.

You didn't remind me of anything. Didn't the OP share a dream of the victim? Didn't I use the dream to narrate the things the victim would be experiencing physically? Didn't the OP confirm that those things I mentioned were real? Didn't you continue in your insults and watery arguments? Did I insult you in return? Have I insulted you here again for you to start insulting me again?

Please stop mentioning me. I don't have time for uncultured people like you. I would henceforth pass over your mention without reading a word.

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm not interested in looking for what is not missing. It's as pointless as looking for spiderman in real life. We both know he only exists in fictions. Same as the spirit/spiritual realm and it's manifestations.

Neither am I interested in what your deliberately ignorant and rebellious self is dotting about on this platform.

Those who see these things in real life and on TV but decide to see the victims of demon possession as being mentally unstable are the ones who deserve to have their brains checked. And for not seeking the knowledge as to why God is not responsible for the kids dying all over the world of starvation or whatever, it's your cup of tea. You don't own your life, so your rebellion would be terminated some day and you would have to face reality.

Keep your ignorance to yourself if you're not interested in knowledge.

I'll ignore you, so don't bother responding.

triplechoice:
@ the bolded, you have mistaken me for another person. I have never engaged you concerning dreams on this board. Never! If you insist I was the person please revisit the thread and bring evidence I was the person. It was in the spirit husband and wife thread that you directed some disparaging comments at me which I responded to . Apart from that, no other time. It's wrong for you to accuse me of something I never did.


Back to the topic. I won't say much again you're free to believe what you want to believe

Delivering people from demons is one of the oldest tricks in the books to recruit new members for Pentecostal churches. TB Joshua successfully used that to expand his church business.

The Catholic Church began with the same thing but stopped after a time. These days you hardly hear that a Catholic priest is conducting exorcism somewhere. Anyone who comes to them is directed to seek professional help first before anything, and when such persons take the advice, it's reported they usually don't come back because they found professional solutions for what they taught was caused by demons. You should be doing that and not deceiving the public like TB Joshua

What you doing messing up the minds of innocent people in the name of casting out demons from them is spiritism , not Christianity. Those who are very good at it outside Christianity can make those who submit to them do much more than demons talking through them . They can make people bark like dogs , meow like cats and any other thing. You don't know what's behind what you do. You're practicing spiritism in the name of Jesus and don't even know it.


Take your time to read the below. It's from a pastor like yourself. He's not the only one. There are others too who have spoken against what people like you're doing to ignorant Christian's.

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https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/08/beware-of-deliverance-ministries&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwit5oaH0KiEAxXPVEEAHTF7DQQQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1awjvEVwlFJFttmW7qHoXS

Please come back to tell what you think.

Modified. The first link I shared didn't lead to the exact page I wanted you to read. I just replaced it

Yes, my encounter with you was on that spirit husband thread. You watered down the OP's narration of the experiences of a victim and brought in some unfounded and untested theories. I then asked the OP to ignore your comment saying you're an ignoramus. Except you don't know what the term ignoramus means. That statement wasn't disparaging in any way. You turned it to an occasion for a fight. It was on that thread that the OP shared dreams narrated by the victim and I used the dream to paint a picture of the victim's current life experiences which was confirmed by the OP on that thread.

I'm responding to you because you directly asked for my view concerning the link you posted.

First, let me tell you that the deliverance ministry also has a lot of ignorance associated with it among deliverance ministers. I don't count myself a deliverance minister. I count myself a minister of the Gospel. I don't conduct deliverance on people at first sight. I only confront demonic manifestations in people. This is contrary to what most deliverance ministers do.

For example, a girl was brought to me in 2022 who was accused of being a witch. Instead of conducting deliverance on the girl as many deliverance ministers would have done, I sat her down beside me and admonished her in few words to give her life to Christ and leave the occult. I was just talking to her normally. Not praying. In less than 2 minutes, she fell off the chair unto the floor and remained there wriggling and manifesting for more than 30 minutes. I didn't do anything order than watch her there. I didn't cast out any demon. Once she regained her composure, I asked her to go home and return another day. Does that look like trickling of the mind to you?

On another occasion, I was praying for a man who never showed any sign of demonic possession. He didn't manifest anything. The man was brought to me because he was severely tormented. In his younger years, he was working with MTN and suddenly got sacked. He never got another job again from that time. When they brought him to me, he was looking like a mad man. I never knew he had a masters degree until he began to speak excellent English. He looked like someone in his mid 50s. I can't be certain of his age though because oppression can make someone look extremely older than his age. But at the time, he had no wife, no house of his own. He had absolutely nothing. Not even a cell phone. He narrated his ordeal and I prayed a simple prayer with him. He didn't manifest any demonic activity but when I finished praying he said while I was praying he heard a feminine voice from inside him that said "I'm leaving!". His life changed from that moment onwards. That's deliverance. Does this look like someone tricking the mind of another?

So, when we look at the practical side of these things, the truth is farther from what you're thinking. These are things I can practically demonstrate. I have witnessed an occasion while I was praying for someone and the demons spoke out telling me how they got inside her when she was made to perform a ritual at age 6 to dedicate her to a river goddess in Calabar. The lady herself couldn't remember the incident vividly, it was the father who later confirmed the demon's words. What mind tricking would make someone narrate detailed events she herself is personally unaware of?

I remember while praying for the lady, when the demon had insisted the lady was her property because she had a covenant with her. I told the demon that the covenant was broken. You can't imagine how she screamed because of that. Those are not mind tricks. Eventually, the demon pleaded with me to allow her stay. I asked her to leave in the name of Jesus. The deliverance of this lady took several days. I remember an occasion during the deliverance period when I was called upon to help this lady in her house because she was in torment. I rushed to her house to assist. She was in severe discomfort on the bed in her bedroom. The Holy Spirit asked me to rebuke demons, so I simply commanded the demons in the name of Jesus to leave her. When I finished commanding, the lady became very calm and told me that immediately the demons sensed my presence in her house, they began to strangle her, angrily telling her she must die that day.

Or should I talk about an elderly woman, wife of a retired DPO who constantly entertained suicidal thoughts until the husband asked me to pray for his wife. The woman confessed to her liberty while sharing her testimony one Sunday. She almost worshipped me that day because of too much joy and internal freedom. This is the same woman who before then, would deliberately injure herself because she wanted to die. That's why I laugh at these atheists who think the world revolves around their limited logic. Francistown even went to create a counter thread full.of self deceit while jaephoenix tagged my response on this thread as bullshit.

What I say, I say from experience. I once asked maynman to meet me for a one on one demonstration which he subtly avoided. I couldn't have ventured that far if I don't know what I was doing. These are things I can demonstrate anywhere.

I don't expect people to have demonic possession. So I don't cast out demons from people at first sight until the demons themselves manifest. I have numerous episodes I can narrate. I'm not talking theories here. I'm talking from experience.

The Catholics can't conduct deliverance except they want to deceive themselves. I won't go into that in details.

Both you and those atheists cannot tell me that you've had all the experiences the world could ever offer you to have reached the conclusions you have currently reached. To me, you live and judge by theories, logic and very limited experience. if only you can dare to explore more, you'll find after many more experiences that you're still ignorant.

tishbite43:
God turn punish all of the actors
Sanusi Lamido Sanusi was disgraced by Abdullahi Ganduje
Saraki has been rendered politically irrelevant by Buhari and Tinubu
Wigwe, his wife and son perished in a chopper crash
Karma, indeed, is a bitch

The wickedness these people perpetuated was too much.

Such levels of wickedness. Ha!

triplechoice:
It's a trick of the mind. Next time record the voice of the demons and paste it here so people judge for themselves if it's humans speaking or the voice of actual demons
You don't understand what it means to trick the mind. You have interpreted that literally. Do a research on what it means to trick the mind to create effect. It will help you to understand better what you're currently engage in so you know if to continue or not.
The human mind doesn't know the difference between what's real and not real. So if you're able to convince it something is real when it's not ,it will create effect from it and that's what you're getting as demons speaking through people. You need an education beyond your religious beliefs to know the truth about your deliverance activities. What you hear as demons speaking is all from the unconscious mind . It's not real demons.
The Bible doesn't contain any evidence that can be relied on when it comes to that. And there are no evidences outside the Bible to prove demons possess anyone. I already explained what's responsible for what you think is demons speaking through people . Look for former pastors who were doing the same thing you're currently doing to educate you on why they abandoned the practice. It will help you a lot if you really want to know the truth. Have you ever ask yourself why is it that people you claimed to have exorcised of demons continue to experience the same and come back for another round of deliverance or look for another pastor to deliver them? They continue to come back because it's all make believe and not real.
And you easily believe what another has said about me without proof? It tells the kind of person you're. Some persons here are quick to unconsciously throw insults at others, you included, but when you respond in kind they start to accuse you of being rude. Go back to that thread and see how you started making all manner of desparaging comments about my person indirectly and come back here to tell me you're a nice and not rude person who respect the people you discuss with. Even here on this thread you have started to demonise others who don't share in your belief. Is that what Christianity teaches you?

There has been no pastor who abandoned deliverance because he thought he was tricking people's minds. Such a thought itself is absurd. Have you ever witnessed a deliverance session live and direct to see the beautiful transformation that usually follows? I've never had anyone returned to me with the same problems after being delivered and the demons cast out.

Do you read to understand or read to criticize? You insulted me severally in the past even when I didn't return the insults. Someone confirmed that you've always been like that.

Even on that particular thread where someone described a series of dreams a victim of demonic oppression claimed to have. I dissected the dreams and provided an accurate picture of what the the victim would be experiencing in real life which was confirmed by the narrator. In spite of the confirmation, you continued to shoot out your opposing views without objectivity. Then you went on to lace all your posts with insults without provocation. I don't want to have any discussion with persons of such character. So stop mentioning me. I'll not respond anymore if you dare another mention.

triplechoice:
The healing may have happened because you succeeded in unconsciously tricking their minds to accept something about themselves that's not true. That's spiritual deception.

The human mind is capable of creating effect from what it's made to accept as true, and that's why the placebo can provide relief for anyone who is made to believe they are getting the real thing . This is one of the reasons TB Joshua had some success when he was alive. He was tricking the minds of the ignorant public to believe he has powers to cast out demons from them. It's the same thing you're doing . It doesn't end well.

Demons don't possess people. Your religious book has made you accept that lie and now working with it to ignorantly abuse the minds of the people you claim you have healed .


The day you come to the realisation that you have not been casting out any demons from anyone is the day you will wake up and even end up becoming an atheist.

Even when the demons speak out of the people being prayed for?

TB Joshua was fake but he wasn't tricking the minds of people. It doesn't work that way. That's absurd.

You even claim demons don't posses people when there are extremely clear evidences both in the Bible and outside the Bible.

I think I've once had a discussion with you regarding this issue before. You were even very rude back then. I was told that's
how you have always being. I don't consider you a Christian. Please stop mentioning me.