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[quote author=Veecruz post=129269504]

When you are talking here do you remember mentally retarded people? Even at that when you raised it did we not address it, saying

Yes, I remembered all classes of people, that's why I said people develop at different paces, so age of accountability cannot be uniform for all. God knows at what stage He should hold each person accountable for his/her actions.

And that was i answered you that i am a lawyer for i know all the just Laws that must be strictly complied with before a not-sane person (that is what we call your mentally retarded persons in Law) can be properly and rightly convicted of a wrong doing, which is why i have since been saying that you have no valid thing to say but you hate being corrected because you know everything and you are the best and expert in biblelogy.

You hate being corrected my brother. We're not talking about human laws here. God does not have the same limitations as man. Man can err in judgement, even holding someone accountable when such an individual is not. You really are arrogant to be telling me I hate being corrected. You have no reasonable point, yet you want me to embrace your unscriptural and unrelatable positions. If I'll change a position, won't you convince me? You've never had any valid point except to be talking proudly as though everyone must listen to you.

Who are you in the first place that you think you're the one to correct others?

I have shown you from scriptures that God does not have a specific age of accountability because people develop differently. Period. Every sane person knows that people develop differently. That should tell you why God doesn't have a general age for everyone.

God's accountability mantra is hinged on "To whom much is given, much is required." Do you still want me to do a whole biblical exegesis on this too? It would be a great mistake for you to think that since you're a lawyer, you can talk anything about how God makes His decisions. You even went as far as saying the age of accountability with God is 7. When you were asked for scripture proof, you went on saying,"Nature says so". Which Christian talks like that! You even said 'God is nature and nature is God.' Abominable Heresy!!! Are you sure you're a believer in Christ Jesus? Do you really have the Spirit of God dwelling in you? Or you're just a mere religionist?

A mentally retarded person can surely be convicted. Who says they can't? Who says God won't convict even the mentally retarded? We're talking about the age or stage of accountability here. How does that relate to :

"for i know all the just Laws that must be strictly complied with before a not-sane person (that is what we call your mentally retarded persons in Law) can be properly and rightly convicted of a wrong doing, "

We're not talking about people being convicted or not being convicted, for God's sake! We're talking about age or stage of accountability.

And my position is further strengthened by your post which I quoted above. Even according to you, there are some just laws that must be strictly complied with in order to properly convict not sane persons. This your statement shows that even man does not treat this particular set of people the same way they treat normal people. This obviously is due to their developmental deficiency, and generally, people are different. Both normal and not sane people have different levels of development. Normal people are not the same. Not sane people too are not same. Even in those subgroups, there are different levels of development.

What you have failed to see is that, though the deficiency is more pronounced in mentally retarded people, it is in different levels with all people. Man can't measure it in individuals but God who created man knows at what stage each individual becomes accountable to Him.

While some people may become accountable at 5, some others at 6, some others at 7, some others at 8, some might even become accountable at 20. God knows each and every human being, and would therefore judge every individual according to the capacity that God has given unto him. Not on any age stipulated by you or your 'god' whom you call nature.

LordReed:
Go look at your post I first responded to on this thread and the attachments you added to support the doomsday crap the person you quoted wrote. BTW tell me Apollyon is not about the so called end times. Stop trying to dribble your own shadow.

I didn't support any doomsday post. I made a comment that science still has many things it does not know but you guys hing your lives on it. That was the point I have been making. You can't point to any post where I supported or opposed a doomsday post.

LordReed:
LoLz. I am well aware that science has never claimed to know it all. It's people like you who show up claiming special knowledge which then gets rubbished as soon as a little thought is brought to bear. You are the one who needs to use your brain because you keep latching on to nonsense that can easily be shown to be nonsense. The LHC has been operated for years now but you keep spouting doomsday crap about the LHC which is nothing but conspiracy theiry nonsense.

Where's the doomsday crap I sprouted? Would you quote me to that effect?

LordReed:
LoLz. All your supporting material has been torn to sheds so what main matter is there? Bwahahahahaha.

No one is talking about any supporting materials. Think about the fact that science is aware there are many things still yet unknown. A reality you do not think about.

LordReed:
First Apollo is not Apollyon so you are already confused.

Second the Temple of Apollo is in Greece and the LHC does not pass through Greece.

Make una dey fool unasef for dia.

Is that the only thing you could see? Someone said it in quora, I just tipped it in. That's not the main focus of the post. You left the main crux of the matter to focus your attention on trivialities.

LordReed:
Read the post you responded to.

Besides it is still nonsense saying CERN location itself is the same location of the Temple of Apollyon. There never was a Temple of Apollyon. You people and nonsense are like 5 and 6.

I meant temple of Apollo

Veecruz:
See how you are lie by changing the argument
Where you not arguing on normal people and not on mental retards? See your words,

Is God judging only norma people? Is it not the same God that would judge both the retards and the normal? Are the retards not humans?

The retards are just used as an example. You were the one who said mentally slow people graduate same time as their other counterparts. Is that not a lie? Or you don't know what it means for someone to be mentally slow? I've given an example of how mentally slow people behave at school. Even amongst the mentally slow, there are degrees. God still won't judge mentally slow people equally. What's hard for you understand in this? Everyone has understood the point I'm making except you. Why making unnecessary arguments? Do you expect God to make everyone accountable at the age of 7 simply because you said so? Or because 'you dad's nature said so? I'm showing you clearly that your position is very unbalanced.


[quote [Now you.have deceitfully changed it to mentally retarded.[/quote]It means you lack the understanding of what we're discussing here. Were you not the one who said mentally slow people graduate in school same time as their normal colleagues? I gave you explanation to show you that you're wrong, you termed my explanation deceit. You are the one who deceitfully said mentally slow people graduate same time as normal people in school.

As i said, you do not have any valid thing to say and you hate being corrected because you know everything because you are the best and expert in biblelogy.

I think it's better you go and learn about a topic deeply before you come to argue about it. This is my second time of engaging you on this platform, and my experience so far is that you.put contribution into topics you don't understand. And most cases, it takes you so long to even understand what is being discussed.

You'll be the one to make a weak point, when you're exposed, you cry deceit. I'll say one thing, you'll allege something else? You'll never say anything based on Scripture, just your own worlds, and expect everyone to see you as someone higher than God, and take your words against God's Word. I stand in awe of you.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Na wa. Why is it so easy for you lot to latch on to nonsense conspiracy theories? Are you not the same folks who strenuously tell us that the spiritual realm cannot be reached by physical methods but now CERN is going open a portal to hell. Are you even using your brain at all? LMFAO!

You see, you didn't even understand the simple message. You're here saying something else. You didn't even understand the context.

What I'm saying is that the Bible talked about Apollyon being the angel of the bottomless pit. The CERN location itself is the same location of the Temple of Apollyon in the days of old. The image of Apollyon, also called Shiva in India is there at CERN. Do scientists believe in spirituality? Join the dots. This shows science has not gotten the answers. They're still looking for answers. Meanwhile you've hung your eternity on them.

May God open your eyes.

Francistown.

Mamayam:
Most of our electricity is generated from burning gas or some sort of fuel. And it seems with increasing gas prices, the GENCOs increase the selling price to the DISCOs which have to increase their tariff to make ends meet

It would be sensible if they have put it this way. Hinging the hike on stable electricity is illogical.

Skoonheid:
Revelation 9:11

“And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.”

This Apollyon is the same as Shiva , whose statue is at CERN.

CERN will open a portal to hell on the 8th of April. Buckle up

Are you sure about the bolded? Can we discuss more on this?

Modified:

I went online and found a great deal of information confirming your thoughts. This poses a big problem for atheists. Jaephoenix, lordreed, maynmann, hopefullandlord, knownunknown, francistown etal. Someday, your spiritual eyes shall be opened, and your spiritually deaf ears shall hear. I just hope it wouldn't be too late because your hearts are already hardened.

Apart from the attached screenshots, you'll also find useful information on the links below:

https://planetquartus..com/2015/02/shiva-apollyon-destroyer-cern.html?m=1

https://cds.cern.ch/record/745737?ln=en

Skoonheid:
What did Muhammad do in the cave Hira (Ghar Hiraa)?  Islamic books say that Muhammad used to go to cave Hira to worship for several nights at a time.

According to the Islamic resources ,Muhammad used to go there to worship, following the example of Al Hanifa like his grandfather Abd El Mutalib.  The Islamic resources also mention that Khadija said, “I wish you would become the prophet of this nation.”  They saw that the Jews had Moses as their own prophet & Christians had Issa (Jesus) as their prophet [Muslims also few Jesus as a prophet] so why don’t the Arab nations have their own prophet?  Therefore, they were looking forward to having their own prophet.  Sheikh Khalil Abd El Karim, the graduate of Al Azhar Mosque in Egypt, mentioned in his book, ‘The Forming Period In The Life of The Sincere & Faithful’, that Khadija, Warago Bin Noufal & Pastor Buhaira formed the first school that trained & prepared Muhammad to hopefully become a prophet.  During the first five years of this preparation period Khadija used to go with Muhammad to an area near the cave Hira where she used to wait for him until he came back from his seclusion.  She had learned that Moses & other prophets went to the mountains & then became prophets, so she wanted to lead Muhammad along the same path hoping that something might happen to him which would signify was the prophet they desired. 
What happened in this cave?

when Muhammad went to cave Hira why could he not recognize that what he met was either a Jinn, a demon or an angel?  & Why did Muhammad leave trembling?

According to the Sira books, Muhammad never thought that what he met was an angel!  He always believed that it was a Jinn & that it was his (Muhammad’s) follower & that he was touched by the Jinn & that he had Jinn’s.  The Sira books never mention that Muhammad though he saw an angel there.  Why, because the appearance of an angel to a human being has always been accompanied with many signs.  The most important sign throughout the holy history, in both the Old & New Testaments, was that the angel would bring peace!  For example, when the angel appeared to the Virgin Mary he said, “Peace is upon you.  You are full of blessings & God is with you.”  The angel’s appearance brought peace, comfort & tranquility.  But the appearance of what was named Jibril (Gabriel) to Muhammad was accompanied with a strange thing, it was strangling him!  That is why Muhammad had no doubt that it was the Jinn & that this Jinn was his follower!

The sign of angel appearance is peace but what happened to Muhammad was never peaceful.

Horror.  The angel strangled him, according to the story three times the angel says, “Read”,  Muhammad answers, “I can’t read”, then the angel strangled him.  So how can that be an angel if he’s strangling him?  Angels come as agents of mercy in order to give life, not to strangle people!  From here was Muhammad’s doubt that this could not be an angel.  Muhammad never thought that it was an angel.  He thought that it was a demon & he went to Khadija & told her, “I saw a follower, or I was touched by a Jinn.”  That was all he thought!

For all the Muslim travellers and other travellers out there, don't just take everything you see in some scripture, reason if what you're instructed can give you the eternity you seek.

The so called angel Mohammed saw was obviously a jinn but then, who later convinced him that the jinn was an angel? I'll like to know.

It's even more hilarious that Mohammed was going to the cave in order to become a prophet. TenQ and Advocatejare, come see something o.

Why must they hike the tarrif? Stable electricity already means consumers would pay more, since the token would burn for a much longer time. If you give 2hr electricity, the token would burn for only 2hrs. And if you give 20hr electricity, the token would burn for 20hrs, making more money for the Discos. There's no sense in hiking electricity tarrif just because you want to provide stable electricity. Should the telecoms hike tarrif plans just because some fellows are calling for longer hours? This isn't sensible.

Veecruz:
See it. You have no answer but to insult now that i have reminded you that nearly all the children you call slow grow and even graduate together with their supposed fast and faster mates.
As i said, you do not have any valid thing to say

In what way have I insulted you?

You shot yourself in the leg with this lie.

Have you been to a school for the mentally retarded before? They're called Special schools for a reason. There, you'll see 20yr olds in primary 2. Many of the students in the primary section are older than their teachers. Some of them don't even know 10 + 5, and they still bedwet at 20. Why do you like using lies to defend yourself?

People develop differently and God deals with people as individuals. He'll also judge them as individuals. God wouldn't judge you and I according to the expectations He has of us. Our ages of accountability might not be the same. "To whom much is given, much is required." If God has given you much intellectual capacity at 5yrs, He would not judge you the same way as a 10yr old who is mentally retarded.

Sportsolutions2:
Google is Your Friend.

The Contents of The Qur'an isn't hidden.

Yet Muslims kill kafirs for touching the Quran. Dey play.

Aemmyjah:
What about those that hear but did not have ample time to make up their mind or fully repent of their ways cos struggle with sin and later death?

There's something really interesting about God.

1. No matter how much a person rejects Jesus, if he repents just a few seconds before dying, you'll be saved. Example, the malefactor on Jesus' right hand on the cross. He rejected Jesus all the while he was robbing the country but accepted him just before he died on the cross. Jesus promised him paradise.

2. This might be open to debate but this is what I found in Scripture - No matter how much a person rejects Christ, if a Believer prays for him/her just before he dies, he might still obtain mercy. This is what the scriptures say concerning the sick:

James 5:15

"And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

I believe the scripture above applies to those in a state of coma, or those who became brain dead, or have fainted just before they gave up the ghost. This is my personal inference drawn from that scripture. I have not seen it anywhere being upheld as a Christian doctrine.

Sportsolutions2:
It's A Good Thing That Muslims Understand The Bible. That's Intelligence!

It's A Bad Thing That Almost Every Christian Don't Understand The Quran. That's Unwise.


It's One of The Reason For The Many Chaos in The World.

Not balanced.

Anyone can understand the Bible because it is freely available to all. Muslims keep their Quran as a secret book and could kill a 'Kafir' for touching it. They hoard its contents among themselves.

Aemmyjah:
God's judgment has both good and bad
Salvation and destruction
One must exercise faith in God and Christ to be saved

Will God bypass that requirement?

He'll bypass that requirement only for those who never had the opportunity to hear about Christ. He wouldn't bypass that requirement for those who rejected the opportunity to hear about Christ, and those who heard about Christ but still rejected Christ.

Aemmyjah:
Someone born and raised in Afghan or Somalia and never read or seen a Bible but he's conscientious. How will his conscience tell him God has a son that he must put faith in?

According to the scriptures, he wouldn't be just by the standard of knowing whether God has a Son he must put faith in or not. Rather, he'll be judged by the actions he carried out in relation to his conscience. If he did something his conscience restricted him from, he'll be guilty. If he avoided that thing for conscience sake, he'll be justified. That's the position of scripture.

Romans 2:12-16

"For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel"

1 John 3:21
"Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God."

Aemmyjah:
What is natural law?
Does natural law tell you to exercise faith in God's son, Jesus Christ?

Natural law is the human conscience. It does tell you about faith in Christ but if you lived ever before Christ came to the world, or you lived in a disadvantaged place where you were unable to hear about Christ and God's gift of salvation, you would be judged by that natural law, according to the scriptures.

Aemmyjah:
Only infants
Many who did bad only did it out of ignorance

Remember Jonah
He wanted God to destroy the Ninevites even after seeing them repent
God said though they were wicked, they were a great city THAT DID NOT KNOW LEFT FROM RIGHT

From what Paul said in Romans 1 regarding God's natural laws written in our hearts, it is clear that God would judge everyone from that 'Law' even if they're never heard about Gpd before in their lives.

So, while infants may be generally excused, adults who lived well in accordance the 'natural law's would not be individually condemned. They were all just victims of God's general judgement on the nation.

Aemmyjah:
Beautiful
Honestly, it's beautiful comment
Will they find their way without learning and putting faith in God?

You know infants can't learn to the point of understanding or putting faith in God. It would be God's justice to have them excused.

Aemmyjah:
There are many of God's people that did not benefit from what they wanted but God still loved them.
David prayed that the child he had from adultery should not die. He died
Moses prayed 3 Times that he entered the promised land. He did not
Paul prayed that his thorn in the flesh be removed. It did not
Jesus prayed that the cup be removed from him. It wasn't


Would you tell me that all the firstborn of Egypt that were struck in the last plague, some were not at infant level?

The question is not for me because I told you that there's a clear difference between individual judgement and general judgement. Those infants who died in Sodom and Gomorrah for example could still find their ways to paradise. They were just victims of God's judgement on a nation, not that they were guilty of any individual wrong doing.