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Dtruthspeaker:
Hebrews 3 and 4 does not show Paul disobeying The Sabbath Whereas Luke23:56 shows them obeyiing it. Bro, Fear God ooo.

To you one day is your chosen day to honour God. To me, all days are God's days.

To you, you worship God only in a temple on a Sabbath. To me, I worship God anywhere and everywhere because I'm God's temple. In what way am I not fearing God?

You rest only one day of the week. I rest all days in Christ Jesus because "We who have believed in Him do enter into His rest." The 6th day rest is a foreshadowing of God's eternal rest for those who are in Christ Jesus. This is well explained in Hebrew 3 and 4 as well as several other scriptures.

You're still in the old testament my brother. God is already in the new. I would do a scripture exposition regarding Hebrews 3 and 4 if you oblige.

Meanwhile, you couldn't point out any place where the disciples observed the Sabbath in their gatherings all through their ministries. Your reference is a single reference to a time they observed it because it was the national law.

There's evidence in Scripture that the disciples even worshipped on Sundays.

All is well in Jesus name.

LordReed:
Look who is dodging question now. LoLz.

The question itself is in itself the answer.

mrrandomguy:
Rockefeller once said "Behind every great wealth there is a crime". All over the world, people that control big ENTERPRISES are some times mafias, gang, criminals, who take advantage of the way things are been done to criminally connive with one another to collapse thriving businesses that would have provide Employment for many people, but they will destroy the enterprise to their gain. When crimes are not punished, they take advantage of the linkages in the system to defraud the ENTERPRISES.
The Criminal connivance of all these boys to liquidate, Intercontinental Bank, is appauling, no one investigated this crime against humanity until now, which means we have mafias in Nigeria, which can be likened to the mafiaso in Italy. The most annoying thing is that they all belong to the Redeemed Christians Church of God, City of David Parish Superintendent by our own Vice President, Prof. Yemi Osinbajo, who was the Provincial Pastor before becoming the Vice President.

Karma!!

You cannot build something on nothing!! These cowboys snatched Intercontinental Bank PLC from Dr Erastus Akingbola because, they're highly connected. They're all cursed & jinxed.
Check their list & what have befallen them one after the other!

1. Emir Sanusi Lamido: Dethroned & banished from Kano Emirate.bHe was the CBN Governor when the deal was sealed (Disgraced).

2. Dr Olusola Saraki: His family Dynasty in Kwara state. Crumbled, lost a vast property situated along Glover road Ikoyi to Fed Govt. Now, boy boy to Nyesom Wike, the strongest man in PDP.

3. Late Hubert Wigwe: He was on his way to watch Super Bowl (American football championship) competition in Las Vegas, California. Wigwe University now in disarray.

4. Aig Imougkuede: Had Glaucoma operation on left eye, to go for the second operation very soon. Partially blind!

5. Mr Alabi: (interim MD) foisted by Sanusi Lamido. Down with stroke in Ilorin. In a vegetative state!!

6. Gen. Olusegun Obasanjo: Letter writer of Nigeria, chronic diabetes patient, barred from Aso-Rock by Jagaban. What a disgrace for former president!

7. Osinbajo: Lost the presidential primaries by coming a distant third. All his hair have turned grey overnight.

Now, Dr Erastus Akingbola who is 78 years is healthy, sound & living a low profile life & seek God's judgement on all these people. He has won his property cornered by Access Bank at 999c Danmole street, VI; IB PLC former head office; Court ordered Access Bank to vacate the place immediately; Vast estate seized by EFCC along Sinari Daranijo Street, V.I. returned to him (Akingbola) with apologies!!
So, you can see that, God is the ultimate judge. I knew all these, because,I was there as a staff, when these cowboys committed all the atrocities. Just because, Akingbola refused to fund PDP then!
Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Thanks for the piece. Would you please briefly state their involvements? For example, did you rope Osinbajo into the saga just because he was their provincial pastor? You know Akingbola himself was a member of Redeem too.

LordReed:
Look who is dodging question now. LoLz.

You should answer my question if you're not dodging it? Your answer is in my question.

LordReed:
Do you believe everything you hear?

Do you disbelieve everything you hear?

LordReed:
Can you quote where you asked me these questions and I dodged it? LoLz.

If science discovers a god after I am dead what do you expect I'd be able to do? I'd be dead for Andromeda's sake. LoLz.

What is more stupid is believing stuff you have no evidence for. I'd rather apportion my confidence according to the availability of evidence. If a god exists and decides that my approach is wrong then that god is foolish.

I even demonstrated this question with a fictional story I created a thread for, where I talked about some men who went on a long journey in the service of their village. I narrated that they got to a village where they were told that the king of one of the next villages beheads those who refuse to wear a red cap. Remember? I narrated how some of these men said such a king does not exist, and proceeded on that journey without a red cap. Remember that thread? It was on that same thread I spoke on the limitations of Science and why it's foolish to live one's life on assumptions regarding the future of his soul. I narrated that the wise ones, even though they do not have any means of verifying whether such a king truly exists, yet they had a red cap on in case.... Remember? And of course, they have nothing to loose. At least I remember very vividly that you engaged me on that thread.

You can't say you do not have any evidence of God except your spirit is dead. And if your spirit is dead, God has put the evidence of Himself in every man. You need to shut off that inner witness in order to embrace atheism. Every man has that inner feelings in the deep recesses of his mind that there's a Supreme Being somewhere worthy of worship. It is absolutely natural. And if you have shut off your inner witness, God still reveals Himself in nature and the invisible laws that govern the human life and the vast universe. Science discovered those laws, it didn't create them , and every law has a legislator. Laws never get enacted by accident. And if you refuse to see that, then He sent men into the world to teach people about Himself. The Devil brought many counterfeit gods to confuse men so that they'll lose sight of the true God, yet God still sent His Son to help you decide the truth in the midst of so many falsehoods.

Many miracles are happening around you daily by the finger of God. You choose not to see those miracles. When you hear of them, you say they're all lies. You refuse to go to places where God is demonstrating His Presence and revealing Himself to people. You read the wrong books that keep you in eternal bondage to Satan. Of course, Satan is the god of atheism whom atheists worship without knowing. You are inexcusable!. God has all His evidences scattered everywhere. You're the one who's foolish for ignoring them. God will still judge you for refusing to stick your neck out to find God. God is not your puppet who must come to meet you where you are. You can't put Him in a box.

If you want to see God, go search for God where He may be found. If others are finding Him, why not you? You'll be damn foolish when others in the hereafter begin to testify how they met God while you kept rebelling against God in hope that He'll understand that you cannot believe in Him because you have no evidence. As long as others are having evidences, you'll be the fool.

FRANCISTOWN:
Yeah! I've said it countless times on this forum that if any God jumped down from heaven and goes like "yo! I'm you guys' God. Tada!" I'd still not be impressed, and I'd just go about doing my own thing. I won't worship him neither will I praise him nor pray to him.

You're the one who's childish because you refused to learn.

If you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answers. Why didn't God save the Jews from Hitler? Why didn't God save christians from attacks? Why didn't God deliver His worshippers from bandits? They're all childish questions stemming from acute ignorance. If you ask why, you'll know why.

You've deliberately chosen to be ignorant and rebellious. There's no point discussing with you.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Sooo, why is everybody quiet?
Bearing in mind that science has demonstrated that there are at least ten dimensions and possibly a thousand more (but we can only perceive 4, four!!, geniuses that we are), and being neither on the side of atheists nor religionists, I want to present the following screenshots.

Also:

Since we have demonstrated that nothing is still something, why can't the universe come from that nothing that is something, and that nothing itself be eternal?

Why is there something instead of nothing?

All these people that have had supernatural experiences, where do they come from? Like this woman below, where are those voices from?

All these "glitches in the matrix", why do they occur?

The two guys, you never asked how cogito was proven wrong - sign of intellectual non-curiosity!

This is a wonderful exposition but unfortunately atheists would buy none of it. They would not subject themselves to God even if they saw Him face to face.

I have come to realize that for someone to become an atheist, he first has to fight off any thoughts of God's existent. It takes time for them to ingrain it firmly in their minds that there is no God. It's a deliberate act of manipulating the mind to believe a false reality. They actually don't want to acknowledge God, not because they think He does not exist but because they don't want to have anything doing with Him. It's a deliberate choice they made after falling prey to faulty logic.

I have heard Francistown if I'm not mistaking him for another, who said he would never even believe in God if God shows up to Him today, especially the Christian God. This actually is the position of most atheists. That's why they would do nothing to verify the existence of the supernatural even when it is happening close to their nostrils . They prefer to sit in their corners while telling themselves that everything they're been told about supernatural demonstrations in a nearby place is a lie. We've told them several times where they could go see the supernatural, they refuse to go. Maynman even avoided a one on one encounter with me.

Whatever supernatural occurrence or experience you narrate to any atheist, his first and only reaction is that you're lying. He pulls up very childish thoughts and asks so much irrelevant questions that reek of deep seated ignorance while commending himself for being intelligent when it's so obvious that intelligence is far from him. Intelligence itself is knowledge based. If you don't talk knowledgeably about spiritual things but only dismiss them as hoaxes, I'll consider you spiritually foolish. A spiritual barbarian. And of cause, that's how I view all atheists, especially the ones on this forum who pride themselves on calling others fools when they're the real fools.

As Brian Cox rightly said in the OP's excerpt, there are 10 dimensions (probably even more) out of which only 4 are known to man. Which means all scientific knowledge revolve around those 4 dimensions . There 6 known dimensions that remain unexplored. The conclusion that there's no God is a hasty conclusion based on the incomplete knowledge of the 4 dimensions which themselves have not been fully explored.

Oftentimes I've asked atheists like lordreed, maynman and jaephoenix a question which they always dodge, and I shall ask the same question here again against the backdrop of what Brian Cox said. Science is ever evolving and can not lay any claim yet to perfect knowledge or absolute knowledge. What science does not know is more than what science knows. That's why its grounds are always shifting. If science discovers the existence of God after you die, what shall be your fate? Science has been known to abolish previous theories and ideas in preference for new ones in the light of fresh discoveries. It's very foolish for anybody to rely on incomplete and imperfect scientific findings in absolution. Even staking your life on science that doesn't have the answers when you ask "What happens after death?"

Some scientists are getting to realize now that there is much likely to be some forms of consciousness or reality after death. That's very interesting because oftentimes scientific discoveries begin with some packets of non conventional ideas here and there until it becomes mainstream after being proven beyond reasonable doubt that those ideas provide authentic information. Most atheists are gambling their lives away in exchange for a painful eternal reality.

https://www.nyas.org/news-articles/academy-news/is-there-life-after-death/

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are moving the standard. First, it was the disciples never kept the sabbath but now i have shown you they did, you have changed post to "full operation".

it is fatal to never listen to God especially after He has warned that He Honours His Word even above heaven and earth. He even Said, Forever! Love yourselves o man and live by fearing God and His Word

Please read Hebrews 3 and 4.

The disciples never observed Sabbath. I told you why they did in that only instance you quoted. I also showed you what the Lord Jesus said about the Sabbath.

Anyway, no one would go to hell for keeping or not keeping a day or days. All these were spiritual symbolisms in the old testament which Jesus fulfilled in the new.

If you observe a day or days as being holy. You observed them to God. if you do not observe any particular day but choose all days as being holy. It is to God as well.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet the disciples obeyed it,as seen in Luke 23:56 and other scriptures. Hmmm. You people dont love yourselves o.

The disciples couldn't have done otherwise in that context. They obeyed custom or law of the nation knowing' fully well in their hearts that the era of observing physical days was past.
Do you have any reference in the Acts of Apostles when the church was in full operation where the Apostles observed such sabbatical rest?

It's very dangerous for believers to stand where God was yesterday without taking note of where God is today. We're in the New testament. Not the old. The Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ Jesus. Have you studied Hebrews 3 and 4?

Dtruthspeaker:
So Exodus 20:11 is a Lie? Hmm. You people dont love yourselves.

Exodus 20:11 is a shadow. God is not interested in days. He's interested in people. Jesus first gave the hint when He said:

“The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mathew 2:27)

The Sabbath is symbolic of God's rest which He gives to Believers as the Rest of Salvation.

The rest is fulfilled in Christ Jesus because everyone who receives Christ automatically enters into the Rest of God. Believers live in a perpetual Sabbath. Not just one day out of 7. All days are Sabbaths for believers. God must be worshipped all days and not just one day in a week. All our lives on earth are Sabbath life. We are in God's eternal rest. Not just one day in a week but all our lives.

Fior better understanding, read Hebrews 3 and 4 where the scriptures explained Exodus 20:11 in light of the new testament dispensation.

Remember that the Lord Jesus Himself is Lord of the Sabbath: Mathew 12:8.

In true worship, all days are acceptable unto the Lord. Just as my beloved brother, Ken4Christ has rightly said with relevant scriptural references. In this New Testament dispensation, you can worship God anytime, any day and any where. You are God's temple. Not a building. He dwells in you and is with you all the time to accept your worship. If you decide to set any day apart as your special day for God, it would be accepted and God would immediately mark that day as a special day of appointment between you and Him.

Most Christians actually think that worship is only what you do in church when you clap, sing, dance and open a Bible. Worship is more than that. Your life itself is a means of worship. When you're pleasing God with the way you live, it's another form of worship. When you help your fellow humans in God's name or give to the cause of the Gospel, that's another form of worship as long as IT IS DONE IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. That's why Jesus said:

John 4:
"21 ...believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The very essence of worship in the new testament is to make our lives glorify God by making ourselves living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto God which is OUR TRUE WORSHIP. God won't accept your Sunday or Saturday or any day worship if you miss the true worship.

Romans 12:1 (Amplified Version):

"Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies [dedicating all of yourselves, set apart] as a living sacrifice, holy and well-pleasing to God, which is your rational (logical, intelligent) act of worship."

Contrary to what my beloved brother Dtruthspeaker said, there's no particular holy day. Whatever day you choose as holy is holy unto you. And if you choose no holy day, you're not commiting any sin.

triplechoice:
Why do you want to lie and deceive yourself? An ignoramus means an ignorant and stupid person and you say that's not an insult?

You just said it has to
do with dreams which you were explaining and I jumped in to interrupt and insult you. Now that I reminded that it was the spirit and husband thread, you want to change it. I think something is wrong with you. SMH. You were the one that started the insult, not me . Good you just admitted it. So who's now the rude person?
. So many unverified stories
. You're just bluffing . You don't know it more than the Catholic priest who are well trained in it.
What do you know about me ? I'm not a kid and I have been to places and done things you dare not do as a Christian

You're defending what's putting food on your table with anything you can come up with.

I said what you're doing is not different from what TB Joshua did when he was alive.

You're messing up with the minds of ignorant people who come to you for deliverance

And no matter the good you think that's coming from it, you are also adding to their problems.

People who have been convinced by pastors like yourself that they can be possessed by demons have already condemned themselves to a life of perpetual misery. From that moment onwards,every single problem they face is attributed to demons. How can that kind of person know peace. No way!

The very same character I saw in you that made me tell you to stop mentioning me.

An ignoramus means an Ignorant OR stupid person. And in the context of what we were discussing, everyone knows I meant that you were ignorant. Not stupid.

You didn't remind me of anything. Didn't the OP share a dream of the victim? Didn't I use the dream to narrate the things the victim would be experiencing physically? Didn't the OP confirm that those things I mentioned were real? Didn't you continue in your insults and watery arguments? Did I insult you in return? Have I insulted you here again for you to start insulting me again?

Please stop mentioning me. I don't have time for uncultured people like you. I would henceforth pass over your mention without reading a word.

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm not interested in looking for what is not missing. It's as pointless as looking for spiderman in real life. We both know he only exists in fictions. Same as the spirit/spiritual realm and it's manifestations.

Neither am I interested in what your deliberately ignorant and rebellious self is dotting about on this platform.

Those who see these things in real life and on TV but decide to see the victims of demon possession as being mentally unstable are the ones who deserve to have their brains checked. And for not seeking the knowledge as to why God is not responsible for the kids dying all over the world of starvation or whatever, it's your cup of tea. You don't own your life, so your rebellion would be terminated some day and you would have to face reality.

Keep your ignorance to yourself if you're not interested in knowledge.

I'll ignore you, so don't bother responding.

triplechoice:
@ the bolded, you have mistaken me for another person. I have never engaged you concerning dreams on this board. Never! If you insist I was the person please revisit the thread and bring evidence I was the person. It was in the spirit husband and wife thread that you directed some disparaging comments at me which I responded to . Apart from that, no other time. It's wrong for you to accuse me of something I never did.


Back to the topic. I won't say much again you're free to believe what you want to believe

Delivering people from demons is one of the oldest tricks in the books to recruit new members for Pentecostal churches. TB Joshua successfully used that to expand his church business.

The Catholic Church began with the same thing but stopped after a time. These days you hardly hear that a Catholic priest is conducting exorcism somewhere. Anyone who comes to them is directed to seek professional help first before anything, and when such persons take the advice, it's reported they usually don't come back because they found professional solutions for what they taught was caused by demons. You should be doing that and not deceiving the public like TB Joshua

What you doing messing up the minds of innocent people in the name of casting out demons from them is spiritism , not Christianity. Those who are very good at it outside Christianity can make those who submit to them do much more than demons talking through them . They can make people bark like dogs , meow like cats and any other thing. You don't know what's behind what you do. You're practicing spiritism in the name of Jesus and don't even know it.


Take your time to read the below. It's from a pastor like yourself. He's not the only one. There are others too who have spoken against what people like you're doing to ignorant Christian's.

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https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/08/beware-of-deliverance-ministries&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwit5oaH0KiEAxXPVEEAHTF7DQQQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1awjvEVwlFJFttmW7qHoXS

Please come back to tell what you think.

Modified. The first link I shared didn't lead to the exact page I wanted you to read. I just replaced it

Yes, my encounter with you was on that spirit husband thread. You watered down the OP's narration of the experiences of a victim and brought in some unfounded and untested theories. I then asked the OP to ignore your comment saying you're an ignoramus. Except you don't know what the term ignoramus means. That statement wasn't disparaging in any way. You turned it to an occasion for a fight. It was on that thread that the OP shared dreams narrated by the victim and I used the dream to paint a picture of the victim's current life experiences which was confirmed by the OP on that thread.

I'm responding to you because you directly asked for my view concerning the link you posted.

First, let me tell you that the deliverance ministry also has a lot of ignorance associated with it among deliverance ministers. I don't count myself a deliverance minister. I count myself a minister of the Gospel. I don't conduct deliverance on people at first sight. I only confront demonic manifestations in people. This is contrary to what most deliverance ministers do.

For example, a girl was brought to me in 2022 who was accused of being a witch. Instead of conducting deliverance on the girl as many deliverance ministers would have done, I sat her down beside me and admonished her in few words to give her life to Christ and leave the occult. I was just talking to her normally. Not praying. In less than 2 minutes, she fell off the chair unto the floor and remained there wriggling and manifesting for more than 30 minutes. I didn't do anything order than watch her there. I didn't cast out any demon. Once she regained her composure, I asked her to go home and return another day. Does that look like trickling of the mind to you?

On another occasion, I was praying for a man who never showed any sign of demonic possession. He didn't manifest anything. The man was brought to me because he was severely tormented. In his younger years, he was working with MTN and suddenly got sacked. He never got another job again from that time. When they brought him to me, he was looking like a mad man. I never knew he had a masters degree until he began to speak excellent English. He looked like someone in his mid 50s. I can't be certain of his age though because oppression can make someone look extremely older than his age. But at the time, he had no wife, no house of his own. He had absolutely nothing. Not even a cell phone. He narrated his ordeal and I prayed a simple prayer with him. He didn't manifest any demonic activity but when I finished praying he said while I was praying he heard a feminine voice from inside him that said "I'm leaving!". His life changed from that moment onwards. That's deliverance. Does this look like someone tricking the mind of another?

So, when we look at the practical side of these things, the truth is farther from what you're thinking. These are things I can practically demonstrate. I have witnessed an occasion while I was praying for someone and the demons spoke out telling me how they got inside her when she was made to perform a ritual at age 6 to dedicate her to a river goddess in Calabar. The lady herself couldn't remember the incident vividly, it was the father who later confirmed the demon's words. What mind tricking would make someone narrate detailed events she herself is personally unaware of?

I remember while praying for the lady, when the demon had insisted the lady was her property because she had a covenant with her. I told the demon that the covenant was broken. You can't imagine how she screamed because of that. Those are not mind tricks. Eventually, the demon pleaded with me to allow her stay. I asked her to leave in the name of Jesus. The deliverance of this lady took several days. I remember an occasion during the deliverance period when I was called upon to help this lady in her house because she was in torment. I rushed to her house to assist. She was in severe discomfort on the bed in her bedroom. The Holy Spirit asked me to rebuke demons, so I simply commanded the demons in the name of Jesus to leave her. When I finished commanding, the lady became very calm and told me that immediately the demons sensed my presence in her house, they began to strangle her, angrily telling her she must die that day.

Or should I talk about an elderly woman, wife of a retired DPO who constantly entertained suicidal thoughts until the husband asked me to pray for his wife. The woman confessed to her liberty while sharing her testimony one Sunday. She almost worshipped me that day because of too much joy and internal freedom. This is the same woman who before then, would deliberately injure herself because she wanted to die. That's why I laugh at these atheists who think the world revolves around their limited logic. Francistown even went to create a counter thread full.of self deceit while jaephoenix tagged my response on this thread as bullshit.

What I say, I say from experience. I once asked maynman to meet me for a one on one demonstration which he subtly avoided. I couldn't have ventured that far if I don't know what I was doing. These are things I can demonstrate anywhere.

I don't expect people to have demonic possession. So I don't cast out demons from people at first sight until the demons themselves manifest. I have numerous episodes I can narrate. I'm not talking theories here. I'm talking from experience.

The Catholics can't conduct deliverance except they want to deceive themselves. I won't go into that in details.

Both you and those atheists cannot tell me that you've had all the experiences the world could ever offer you to have reached the conclusions you have currently reached. To me, you live and judge by theories, logic and very limited experience. if only you can dare to explore more, you'll find after many more experiences that you're still ignorant.

tishbite43:
God turn punish all of the actors
Sanusi Lamido Sanusi was disgraced by Abdullahi Ganduje
Saraki has been rendered politically irrelevant by Buhari and Tinubu
Wigwe, his wife and son perished in a chopper crash
Karma, indeed, is a bitch

The wickedness these people perpetuated was too much.

Such levels of wickedness. Ha!

triplechoice:
It's a trick of the mind. Next time record the voice of the demons and paste it here so people judge for themselves if it's humans speaking or the voice of actual demons
You don't understand what it means to trick the mind. You have interpreted that literally. Do a research on what it means to trick the mind to create effect. It will help you to understand better what you're currently engage in so you know if to continue or not.
The human mind doesn't know the difference between what's real and not real. So if you're able to convince it something is real when it's not ,it will create effect from it and that's what you're getting as demons speaking through people. You need an education beyond your religious beliefs to know the truth about your deliverance activities. What you hear as demons speaking is all from the unconscious mind . It's not real demons.
The Bible doesn't contain any evidence that can be relied on when it comes to that. And there are no evidences outside the Bible to prove demons possess anyone. I already explained what's responsible for what you think is demons speaking through people . Look for former pastors who were doing the same thing you're currently doing to educate you on why they abandoned the practice. It will help you a lot if you really want to know the truth. Have you ever ask yourself why is it that people you claimed to have exorcised of demons continue to experience the same and come back for another round of deliverance or look for another pastor to deliver them? They continue to come back because it's all make believe and not real.
And you easily believe what another has said about me without proof? It tells the kind of person you're. Some persons here are quick to unconsciously throw insults at others, you included, but when you respond in kind they start to accuse you of being rude. Go back to that thread and see how you started making all manner of desparaging comments about my person indirectly and come back here to tell me you're a nice and not rude person who respect the people you discuss with. Even here on this thread you have started to demonise others who don't share in your belief. Is that what Christianity teaches you?

There has been no pastor who abandoned deliverance because he thought he was tricking people's minds. Such a thought itself is absurd. Have you ever witnessed a deliverance session live and direct to see the beautiful transformation that usually follows? I've never had anyone returned to me with the same problems after being delivered and the demons cast out.

Do you read to understand or read to criticize? You insulted me severally in the past even when I didn't return the insults. Someone confirmed that you've always been like that.

Even on that particular thread where someone described a series of dreams a victim of demonic oppression claimed to have. I dissected the dreams and provided an accurate picture of what the the victim would be experiencing in real life which was confirmed by the narrator. In spite of the confirmation, you continued to shoot out your opposing views without objectivity. Then you went on to lace all your posts with insults without provocation. I don't want to have any discussion with persons of such character. So stop mentioning me. I'll not respond anymore if you dare another mention.

triplechoice:
The healing may have happened because you succeeded in unconsciously tricking their minds to accept something about themselves that's not true. That's spiritual deception.

The human mind is capable of creating effect from what it's made to accept as true, and that's why the placebo can provide relief for anyone who is made to believe they are getting the real thing . This is one of the reasons TB Joshua had some success when he was alive. He was tricking the minds of the ignorant public to believe he has powers to cast out demons from them. It's the same thing you're doing . It doesn't end well.

Demons don't possess people. Your religious book has made you accept that lie and now working with it to ignorantly abuse the minds of the people you claim you have healed .


The day you come to the realisation that you have not been casting out any demons from anyone is the day you will wake up and even end up becoming an atheist.

Even when the demons speak out of the people being prayed for?

TB Joshua was fake but he wasn't tricking the minds of people. It doesn't work that way. That's absurd.

You even claim demons don't posses people when there are extremely clear evidences both in the Bible and outside the Bible.

I think I've once had a discussion with you regarding this issue before. You were even very rude back then. I was told that's
how you have always being. I don't consider you a Christian. Please stop mentioning me.

triplechoice:
I'm afraid your diagnosis and "comparative picture" are products of your religious indoctrination.

You're clueless about what can cause depression which leads to suicidal thoughts.

You think demons are responsible because that's what your has taught you .

I don't think demons are responsible for suicide. I know they are. That's because I have on several occasions healed many of suicidal thoughts by casting out demons.

triplechoice:
Yes ,it doesn't change the theme of the post but you're trying to change it by your outlandish claims that the cause of atheists commiting suicide is due to demons.

Why have you deflected from the Op to talk of something else that's not related to it. Demon talk.

I only provided clarification because the OP and his source had wrong diagnosis. I even painted a comparative picture for my position.

immortalcrown:
Iji Intellectual dishonesty is very bad. The theme of the post is unchanged but the authenticity of the post is of more concern than the content of the post.

The content still passes a message. The OP can rectify the integrity issue at any time.

triplechoice:
The creator of this thread is not an atheist. He is a theist who copied the article from an atheist blog without given credit to the original writer , and now using it to indirectly push the false narrative here on Nairaland that atheist and other religious are prone to commiting suicide because they lack a God in their lives.

Apart from regurgitating parts of the article as response to what others have said here, he has not said anything else, proving he's not the same person as the original writer.

The OP is an intellectual thief . Don't give him any credit for something that's not his.

Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

But the post was originally written by an atheist. That doesn't change the theme of the post and the direction of the thread.

OLAADEGBU:
You are just a believer in old women tales which makes you a talebearer since you have no evidence of where DL have it as an article of faith written anywhere or a videoclip that you can reproduce that buttresses your allegation. Repent and believe the true gospel before it is too late.

Smiling, you're behaving the same way as atheists who try to escape reality by asking for video evidence for matters that we're not video recorded.

You're asking for video evidence of deeper life doctrines that were preached often on deeper life pulpits in the days when deeper life tagged television as the devil's box? Isn't that a joke taken too far?

A doctrine is not necessarily written down as an article of faith. Deeper life preached that anyone who left the congregation for any other church is a backslider. You cannot tell me that you're unaware of this. You're an hypocrite.

OLAADEGBU:
If it was a doctrine as you have suggested then show us the evidence where Deeper Life once had it as a doctrine that it is the only true church. In the absence of this you were either a backslider or never got to know Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour.

I think you should go ask your elders. Anyone who left Deeper life for any other church back then was regarded as a backslider.

You need to give your life to Christ. I wouldn't regard you a Christian for denying such a well known position of deeper life.

OLAADEGBU:
When did Deeper life teach that it is the only godly congregation? It's either you provide evidence or you have just proven us that you are a bold face liar defending your father the devil.

I was in Deeper life in early 80s and left in the 90s. I know the Deeper life doctrines of that time very well. It's either you're a new member or you're purely an hypocrite! Who doesn't know Deeper Life had such a doctrine?

Those were the days you're immediately tagged a backslider for leaving Deeper Life to join any other church.

You should be ashamed of yourself for calling this obvious truth a lie. Are you really a Christian?

OLAADEGBU:
This is not about getting sentimental about our respective pastors, it's about carrying out the injunctions in the Scriptures. The Bible said that we should not get involved with the evil works of darkness but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

A believer can err. There's what the Bible advised us to do in such scenario.

Titus 3:10-11 KJV

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Have you given him your first and second admonition?

1 Timothy 5:20

"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

Have you rebuked him?

And have you taken your time to hear from his own side of the story?

Would you do the same things you're doing now if Kumuyi was the one accused?

You're biased.

The scripture you quoted is not applicable to people who have been known to be children of God. Olukoya is not a worker of darkness like TB Joshua was. TB Joshua was never a child of God. Olukoya is a child of God even if he has erred, he still remains a child of God open to rebuke and chastisement by God and by elders in the faith.

The scripture you quoted instructed us to expose the evil works of darkness. Do you know what the evil works of darkness is at all? Children of God are not in that category.

Since Deeper life initially taught you that your congregation is the only Godly congregation, I understand where the bias is coming from. Can't you see that even Kumuyi has risen up to redefine that position?

Whatever you're doing against one child of God, you do against the body of Christ. Remember that one day, we shall all stand before judgement seat of Christ.

jaephoenix:
You know what, there's no need replying this post. Its bullshitry is even worse than the OP. LOL 😆

But the OP is actually an atheist. Are you angry that he has exposed what you have been denying?

The suicide problem of atheism comes from the same demons whose existence atheists deny.

Christian converts in Muslim countries, and those who dwell among chronic Muslim brethren suffer a greater measure of persecution which includes but not limited to isolation, death threats (often carried out), rejection, dehumanization, excommunication, molestation, mockery and a host of other evils. Yet, they do not commit suide or have the faintest thoughts of it.

The same demons are putting your focus on Christians as the cause of your problems while taking your attention off themselves.

You guys should keep deceiving yourselves. A day would come when you would never be able to say again that there's no God because you'll see Him face to face.

Those who have died are currently regretting. If they have the chance, they'll love to return to warn you to discontinue in this destructive path of atheism. It's quite too late for them now. If you still have your breath, you still have opportunity today to repent.

Yes, those atheists who have died including your revered Darwin is in full regrets right now but it's too late for them. You might ask how am I sure of this. Yeah, I am 2,000% sure because I have met God. I know Him and He knows me.

All is well in Jesus name.

Glory to Jesus!!!

Your testimony shall be permanent in Jesus name!

God shall perfect all that concerns you in the mighty name of Jesus!


A Word for You:

God Shall use you to deliver many from the same afflictions He has delivered you from.

Keep increasing in faith and in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Dtruthspeaker:
They do. They know that they are cut off so, they have become like Satan and very jealous and angry that Christians have the love of God.

Not so brother.

They're actually blind. Just like those who crucified Jesus.

AntiChristian:
I see all these as lies! Just as when Samson wanted to kill lion Holy Spirit entered him. Just as when Samson needed to kill thirty people to steal their garments the holy Spirit empowered him.

Even the Holy Spirit in David did not caution/guide him to avoid killing and fornication!

It's your cup of tea.

If that's what you see, then spiritual blindness has happened to you.

What Samson had was a gift of might. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit comes upon him each time he wanted to act. That's absurd.

I have a teaching gift. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit would come upon me each time I want to teach. That's absurd.

Once the Holy Spirit gives you a special enablement, you'll flow naturally with ease in that capacity. While others may struggle to achieve the same feat, a gifted individual would do it with such ease, and it would be completely natural.

Once you are faced with what you're gifted for by the Holy Spirit, the gift would be stirred up in you to deliver. You'll flow naturally but deliver supernatural results.

Natural giftedness is different from Spiritual giftedness. You can't compete with someone who is supernaturally enabled.

The Holy Spirit guides and cautions us. However, people can ignore Him and disobey. The disobedient would face the consequence. The Holy Spirit doesn't turn men to zombies. Is that clear? There are no zombies in God's Kingdom. We have the liberty to choose our actions. We can accept or reject guidance but there'll be results and consequences afterwards.

If you choose blindness, you'll have it enough. You can keep interpreting the scriptures blindly in spite of the corrections you've received. It's your own cup of tea.

You can keep saying everything I said are lies. Tagging them as lies does not change the reality and the truth of the explanations. The life we live as Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit is what I've described in my previous post. If Islam doesn't come close to that, it's spiritual blindness and crass ignorance for you to tag them as lies. If you're wise, you would have embarked on an investigation and exploration to verify these things. Rather than wallow in your ignorance and deep rooted deceit delivered to you in Islam.

If you become open minded and prayerfully investigate these things using the right channels, you'll be stunned at what you'll discover. You'll end up meeting Jesus, and your life wouldn't remain the same afterwards. Forget Christianity as a religion. That's not what we're talking about here. Most Muslims only see religious Christians and use that to judge what Christianity is all about. Christianity is not religion. Even most Christians are just deceiving themselves. A definite encounter with Jesus is all you need.

There are many former Muslims here on this platform. One of them goes by the moniker Speaklove. He can relate. I just pity you for your ignorance and the stubborn opposition you put up against the Almighty God to the detriment of your own soul.

AntiChristian:
So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide! The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication!


You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit.

Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?

The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?

Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!

The Holy Spirit is not our conscience. He's our Guide. He guides and instructs us, and also empowers us to walk in obedience. He teaches us what is right and gives us power to do what is right. The Holy Spirit would guide you to do the will of God. The will of God is not just righteousness alone. It could even be your choice of profession. He could guide you into the profession that God wants for you. He can guide you to choose the spouse who is God's will for you. He can guide you to know whether you should travel abroad or remain in Nigeria. He guides and empowers us to do the will of God.

Our conscience on the other hand is our moral police. It makes us feel guilty of some general sins when we commit them. However some people's conscience are dead. They do not even feel guilty when they commit murder. The Holy Spirit can resurrect dead consciences and empower the most despicable sinner to turn a new leaf and live a life of righteousness. However, the sinner must yield to His guidance. He'll then empower the yielding sinner to do the righteousness he could not do naturally.

He trains us into righteousness by patiently guiding us, instructing us and empowering us. Even when we fail, He convicts us and brings us back to the path, and keeps guiding us until we are transformed and become what God wants us to be.