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Lukuluku69:
You raised TWO Points.

1. When other come to Islam

2. When others come to Christianity.

I want to address them if you don't mind.

1. When others come to Islam. Contrary to your position, when others come to Islam, 100% of the time, you will hear them say, Islam made Logical sense to their queries about Faith, about Life. They can see the practicability of it's Teachings in everyday life. They can feel it ideas working in their own experience. All over the world not only in Nigeria people who research Faith thru the ages almost always choose Islam. I can go on but let me stop for now.

2. When others come to Christianity. Like you said, they do it thru an experience they alone encounter which others can't verify but solely on their own words alone. Like seeing Jesus, seeing Angels and all sorts. Well, since these are personal encounter, we can verify , we can't measure. Just their words alone.

Now, why is Jesus selective in visiting those individuals alone? He want Salvation for us all, he ought to manifest himself in us all.

Now, Islam call on the human intellect thru a varied means in YOUR OWN SOUL. And when people do that, most time, they choose Islam. Do you know why? It's teachings are Logical, relatable and practicable.

I like you for being straightforward and referencing my post as is. If it were your friend Antichristian, he would infuse falsehood and say what I never said. Legalwolf does that too. In his own case, he'll bring a contrary interpretation into your post and make it say what you never said. You engage maturely too except that occasionally you throw up tantrums. This I've observed about all your posts. I must commend you for that.

Yeah, before I answer your question about why Jesus doesn't manifest Himself to all, let me address your points relating to the role of Islamic logic in conversion experiences.

People want to relate with God through logic but they forget that God isn't an earthly Being. Earthly logic is irrelevant in the realm where God dwells. God is a Spirit. He dwells in the spirit realm. The logic of that realm is quiet different and far apart from earthly logic. If you approach the spirit realm with earthly logic, you'll be disappointed.

The Quran and Islam is based on earthly logic. On the surface, it looks reasonable, not until you dig deeper. TenQ and Advocatejare have extensively demonstrated that the logic of the Quran and that of Islam in general is at par with the logic of a 7th century Arabian. Or how would you defend the logic that your sperm is produced in your spinal chord? How can you defend the logic that Satan enters your mouth if you do not cover it while yawning? And a lot more that I cannot presently recall.

That's the weakness of human logic. Logic that's relevant today wouldn't be relevant tomorrow. New discoveries make certain logics obsolete. God cannot be found on the basis of ever changing logic. God is eternal.. He doesn't bend to human logic.

Now, why would Jesus appear to some and not to all?

1. Jesus is always appearing to everybody. Each time you hear the gospel preached or a warning message like the ones Advocatejare and TenQ post here on Nairaland, or an admonition like the one you're now reading from me, that's Jesus knocking at the door of your heart. This is one level of manifestation. But, oftentimes, He takes the manifestation to another level. This is the Encounter Level which I'll explain in my second point below.

2. Jesus appears to people in miraculous Encounters when any of the following conditions are met:

i. A sincere seeker who is errornously sincere in serving false gods but deep down in his heart, he really believes he has the truth. This is how most people of other Faiths find Jesus. There's nothing any human can tell this set of people. They believe so much in their Faiths, howbeit, sincerely. They're serving God in all honesty and never knew they're in error. Jesus goes the extra miles to save these set of people.

ii. A lover of truth who never has the opportunity to hear the gospel but is errornously serving God with sincerity. The Bible may be banned in His country. Churches may not be allowed to operate. There's little or no means for him to hear the gospel message. Jesus would go the extra mile to save this person. This is how most Muslims who convert in some Islamic countries find Jesus.

ii. Someone who is stubbornly following errors but has somebody somewhere praying for him. This person may even be a Christian or someone of other faiths. Generally, the devil has the person's heart. He doesn't know God and never cares to know Him. Jesus appears to this set of people in answer to someone's prayers for them. In most cases, He uses near death experiences to melt their stubborn hearts and turn them unto Himself. This is how some chronic believers in other faiths, hardened criminals,
etc find Jesus. These ones don't listen to anybody. In answer to prayers, He goes all out by Himself to find these lost souls.

Jesus isn't selective on who He manifests Himself to. However, He wouldn't force Himself on you. He also doesn't waste His time on people who stubbornly wants to serve Satan. Except someone is praying for you, He leaves you to keep following your decision, knowing fully well that at the end of time, you'll give accounts of the decisions you made on earth.

TenQ:
I still occasionally pray for Vanessa7.

I ask her basic questions to make her think but she has blocked her ears: this is what happens when satan has penetrated not only spiritually but emotionally.

She's enslaved by satan but she doesn't know it.

It's just like chicken in a cage: they will prefer remaining in the cage because they think that their daily needs are met in the cage.
Unfortunately, the purpose of the cage is not because of our love for the chicken: it is for our convenience of Slaughtering them when we choose.

From another perspective, I perceive that she actually knows she has erred. She's troubled by this very fact but rather than repent, she seeks for validation. She wants to keep telling herself that she is doing the right thing and therefore, she looks for every possible permutations to justify her errors.

TenQ:
In a very loose sense, anyone who claims to follow Jesus is a Christian even the JW.
A true Disciple will follow Jesus to the END

However, Jesus gave a parable of the Sower, Representing the Kingdom of God.

For Vanessa7, the word of God fell on a field of thorns
Matthew 13:3-9
3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7[b] Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants.[/b] 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”


He that endures to the END shall be saved

By their Fruit they shall be known.

You x-rayed her situation perfectly.

TenQ:
I agree with you.
Islam starts with basic lies to convert a Christian to Islam'
1. We serve the same God but you have changed your religion from pure monotheism
2. Islam is the only pure monotheistic religion remaining
3. Quran is the perfect word of Allah free from words of men
4. The Quran is perfectly preserved even to the diacritical marks from inception till date
5. All prophets of God including Jesus were Muslims
6. Islam is the cleanest religion
7. Islam is peace
8. The bible have been changed to KJV, Revised standard Version etc
etc

Vanessa7 used to be a christian
1. She had what she considers were demonic problem disturbing her
2. She claimed she prayed but received only temporary relief from the torment
3. She now did Ruqya (Islamic deliverance from Jinn) and she doesn't have her torment again
4. She decided to abandon her salvation in Christ on that basis for Islam

She forgot that people also go to native doctors to help them against demons disturbing them and some of them got their relief.


Could it be that wherever a solution can come from is the WAY to Salvation?

Do you think she was ever a Christian? Her story has too many loop holes.

nairalanda1:
Forgot that Nigerians might be studying there.

At the end of the day, they better get out fast. Though, I guess the whole show will still end.

Too much ego can lead to mass death. Moral of the crisis.

What would any student go to study in Sudan of all places except to learn how to fight for god?

TenQ:
How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the logic of Islam's Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




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What liars fear the most is questions. Just like scammers, they hate it when you're asking too many questions.

When Satan wants to scam your soul, he forbids questions. He then uses indoctrination and brainwashing to establish deceit. A demon uses the frequent meaningless recitations to establish the imprisonment of the mind. Once your mind is imprisoned, you can't see truth. You'll just wobble through darkness until you breathe your last. When you open your eyes on the other side, that's when you'll realize you've been deceived. You'll start wondering why you didn't ask the questions you were supposed to ask. You'll start wondering why you rejected TenQ and Advocatejare's warnings even though you knew they were saying the truth. You're filled with regrets. You ll want to make amends but it'll be too late.

There'll be surprises in the Afterlife when you get there and see that there are no 72 virgins anywhere. There's no big book anywhere from which the Quran was supposedly copied. And most surprisingly, there's no Allah anywhere waiting to reward you for being a Muslim.

You'll see all the prophets of the Bible whom Mohammed imported into the Quran. Oh, you'll see the Lord Jesus in his majestic glory. You'll behold the beauty of heaven and its pearly Gates and hear the voices of angels singing in humble adoration to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. But, you wouldn't be allowed to come close. You'll see all these and hear heavenly music from a far distance. That's when you'll realize that you've been scammed.

Repent, give your life to Christ before it is too late. Allah, aka Satan, the best of deceivers have nothing to offer your soul.

Creamypie:
Baba buhari no make this statement. We have been stationary since 2015

Abi we have been reversing since 2015.

TenQ:
Am I not in trouble?

That is until I become a Muslim, I expect no peace?
Who will help me now!?

I read a story here on Nairaland not quiet long about a lady who claimed she converted to Islam from Christianity because of marriage. The lady was promoting Islam and saying Muslims are holy.

As I read through her piece, the thought that came to me was that 'What if you have been killed before you became a Muslim?'

Whereas, God patiently waits for sinners to see the light and repent, and be converted, Satan orders the killing of anyone who does not do his bidding. He does never works on the individual to see light because he knows he has no light.

Meanwhile, the true God keeps working on you all through your days of ignorance. During that time, you'll blaspheme and commit grievous sins against Him. He continues loving you and making efforts to get you saved until you leave this world.

Satan on the other hand only seeks people who'll worship him. Salvation isn't the goal. If you can't worship satan, he'll want you dead.

Muslims think that the fastest growing religion is probably the best religion. They don't understand that Satan rules this world. Sin and iniquity increases everyday. Righteousness is diminishing. Evil grows faster than Good because Satan controls the world.

I have made an observation about people converting to Christianity or Islam and this is what I found:

1. Each time someone converts to Islam, it is always as a result of logical misrepresentations of the Bible, marriage, human conviction or force. That has always been the case.

2. When Muslims, idol worshippers, atheists, cultists or Satanists convert to Christianity, it's always as a result of some supernatural encounters. Sometimes, the Lord Jesus goes extra miles to save these perishing souls just like He did to Paul. It's always been like that whenever someone is converting from the above listed Faiths into Christianity. Most times, it isn't as a result of any human effort. That's why after their conversion, people who used to know them in their former Faiths usually don't understand what happened. They persecute the person hoping he'll return but he or she never does because of that encounter.

The truth is that God loves everyone including all atheists. Don't be surprised that someday, atheists like jaephonix, lordreed, maynman, hopefullandlord, etc could one day become firebrand evangelists. It always happens like that. Just an encounter is all they need.

God never writes anyone off. He keeps loving you even when you say the most hateful things against him in your ignorance.

TenQ:
Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!

Mohammed is the Masquerade behind Allah

His people unconsciously treat him as such even while denying it.

Blasphemy against Allah may be overlooked by Muslims
BUT
Blasphemy against Mohammed is never overlooked by Muslims,: the punishment is death! (Except they don't have the power to do so)

In one word, a dead man is more honoured than a dead god.

advocatejare:
Very filthy false heaven

A sane mind will then be wondering how the scene in Islamic Paradise will be.


How Allah will stand there and be watching how his male followers, each with 72 women he's constantly having sex with day and night. Now imagine a billion Muslim male each with 72 wives each and all of them engage in sex at the same time. That's an orgy!



AbU Sa'eed Al-Khudri narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: "The least of the people of Paradise in position is the one with eighty thousand servants and seventy-two wives. He shall have a tent of pearl, peridot, and corundum set up for him, (the size of which is) like that which is between Al-Jabiyyah11 and San'a'."...
Jami At-Tirmidhi Vol 4 Book 12 Hadith 2562

Even Muhammad's followers were amazed about how they will manage to be having sex with 72 wives and as usual he gave them another fantasy

Anas narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said:
"The believer shall be given in paradise such and such strength in intercourse ." it was said: "O Messenger of Allah! And will he able to do that?" He said: "He will be given the strength of a hundred "
-Jami At-Tirmidhi Vol 4 Book 12 Hadith 2536

Just imagine this ugly nonesense. How can any right thinking man fail to see that this is mere fantasy. Islam is demonic. Otherwise how can one be so foolish as to stubbornly hold on to obvious deceit?

TenQ:
God willing, it may even be my next post.

Shalom

Alright bro. I'll be looking earnestly forward to it.

I don't know why Muslims prioritise loyalty to a false religion above the salvation of their souls.

nairanaira12:
You just exposed yourself. Holy Spirit doesn't forgive sins.

Lol.

The mumu don expose himself.

TenQ:
Allah never described himself as One God: he described himself as "One Of", I don't know where you got one God from. But let's leave this till another day.

Islam in the Bible!?

I've been thoroughly disappointed with what you Muslim "dawahrsits" claim in the Bible represent Islam and Mohammed. You betray your gross IGNORANCE of logic, with the culture and the religion of the Jews in all your make-believe verses. But since you are a scholar of Islam, you can create a thread on it and I will join you.

Isn't the Shahada itself association of a sinful human being with the name and knowledge of God? I think I've asked the question before:
Can I become a Muslim without the shahada Associating Mohammed with Allah?
The answer was a resounding NO!


I worship the ONE God who is the Self-Existing , Ever-Living, All-powerful, Omnipresent and ONLY Creator of EVERYTHING!

You are the one who should question who you worship!

I dey salivate o. Abeg expose how Allah come tell dem say him be 'one of.' My ears dey itch me. Kikikikiki.

advocatejare:
AntiChristian is confused, the Quran that he holds as the direct words of Allah mentioned breast, breasts of girls Satan aka Allah is using to lure them into hellfire

Allah even describe how the he described how the breast of the al-janna virgins will be like, full breasted not small

“(And for the believers, there will be) Young full-breasted virgins of equal age.”
(QS. An-Naba 78: Verse 33)

A brothel in heaven? Spits.

AntiChristian:
You said: How is that explained?



Samples!!! Talking about samples...I've got them plenty!

1. The Prayer
Proverbs 5:18-19
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her boobs satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

(Say Amen)

2. My Beloved
Song of Songs 1:13-14
13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my boobs.
14 My beloved is to me a cluster of henna blossoms
from the vineyards of En Gedi.

3. Your boobs
Song of Songs 4:5-6
5 Your boobs are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle
that browse among the lilies.
6 Until the day breaks
and the shadows flee,
I will go to the mountain of myrrh
and to the hill of incense.

4. More description
Song of Songs 7:7-8
7 Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your boobs like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your boobs be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,

5. Kiss of life
Song of Songs 8:1
8 If only you were to me like a brother,
who was nursed at my mother’s boobs!
Then, if I found you outside,
I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me.

6. Little sister with no boobs
Song of Songs 8:8-10
8 We have a little sister,
and her boobs are not yet grown.
What shall we do for our sister
on the day she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build towers of silver on her.
If she is a door,
we will enclose her with panels of cedar.

7. Boobs like towers
Song of Songs 8:10
10 I am a wall,
and my boobs are like towers.
Thus I have become in his eyes
like one bringing contentment.

Which of the booby samples is your favorite?

You have a lot of explanations to do!

You ended up quoting from Paul's folly!
Alhamdulillah, I no get folly as God's breathe!

Thank you!

It already shows how spiritually unlearned and unlettered you are. How does 'The message the passage carries is not clear to the blind' equates to 'you cannot understand the Bible.' SMH. It is this typie of reasoning that makes it difficult for you to perceive truth. The reason why a caravan robber who also doubles as a murderer and paedophile is your prophet.

If you think I'm here to discuss the Bible with you, you miss the point because I can already see that your purpose for opening the thread is to mock.

You'll end up where Mohammed is right now when you die. Your fore fathers who followed Mohammed are wishing you don't come where they are but you obstinately held on to obvious lies.

Look, there's no 72 virgins awaiting you in any paradise. Only someone who doesn't know God would think that sex is the best thing that God can offer man for a reward. Go and think about all the morbid stuffs TenQ and Advocatejare have exposed in your religion or you want me to start reminding you of them one by one? Maybe this time, you'll have the opportunity to see more clearly, and escape for your life. Can't you see you're just deceiving yourself? SMH.

AntiChristian:
That's racial discrimination!
How will your God deal with Israel and not with others?

Na only Israel be his first son?

The more i respond the more ills you bring about the Biblical God!

When Muslims talk about apostasy you guys flare up!
But when it's from God for some people in the Bible you are gentle!

That's hypocrisy!

Why does your God change but Jesus remains the same?

You better cover your mouth well when yawning so that Satan won't enter your mouth. Is that not what Mohammed told you? SMH.

Spiritually ignorant folks making unfounded declarations in absolute before asking questions.

God's dealings were intended at the whole world from onset. He told Abraham that all the world would be blessed through him. This blessing is the blessing of salvation. Not money, okay?

Then, to fulfil that vision of blessing the whole world, God decided to manifest Himself to the worst set of people so that by studying how God related with them, we can learn what God loves and what God hates. We can learn God's attributes and know how to best relate with God.

When God was done with Israel, He set the centre stage to bring the world unto Himself. This He fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

When we look at the Old Testament testament, we see God's dealings with Israel. We see how fervently God hates sin. We see how God's rewards righteousness. We see how mighty God is. We see to what extent He can go to punish iniquity. We see how man can walk with God to become a mighty man on Earth. We see what man can do to have God's approval and so much more. There's no question about the ways of God, His character and attribute that the Old Testament doesn't answer in practical terms. Everything was practical.

So, in the spiritual race of the new testament, we apply the knowledge of God's practical dealings to our way with Him to have the best results.

God's dealings with Israel was like a school of practical learning for the whole world.

AntiChristian:
Who instituted the Physical Punishment? No be God? Has the God changed?
Before Jesus came? So na Jesus come stop am?

Muhammad copied no one! He just went the way of God! God does not change like man!




Has God not being punishing them before with Apostasy death and other physical punishment?
Where did Jesus cancel the previous laws?

Physical punishment was for Israel with whom God had physical dealings. When God moved His dealings to include the whole world, He abolished physical punishments and made heaven and hell the rewards for actions.

AntiChristian:
It's not!

Deuteronomic verses of Apostasy comes to mind
13 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk[a] after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.

6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you.

Is this what the vision mean?

Physical punishment for sin waṣ the order of the day before Jesus came. Judaism still practices it today. That's what your Mohammed copied and imported into Islam.

After Jesus, heaven or hell is the reward for every action. No physical punishment whatsoever.

The vision was a warning to Israel. God already promised them He'll physically punish them if they err. And so He did.

AntiChristian:
So your Bible can't be clear to us but our Qur'an can be clear to you guys right? Hypocrisy!

Paul called himself a fool yet he's opinions were from the Holy Spirit!
The words of God/Holy Spirit can then be said to be folly!

Hope this is clear?

Come and go and sit down.

Where did I say the Bible can't be clear to you? Just looking for what to say even if it doesn't make sense?

There were many foolish actions in the Bible from which we learn. The Bible is a book full of examples for us to learn from. All those examples are messages to guide us in the journey of faith.

"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." 1Cor. 10:11

AntiChristian:
So God does not support freedom of religion?

Why is your God forcing people like the "Muslims"?

Those are His people with whom He had a covenant? The Jews whom He brought out of Egypt to plant in that same land.

There's no wisdom whatsoever in this question. You yourself know it's a foolish question.

AntiChristian:
So God inspired folly?

Someone says he talking on his own but you guys are still pathetically telling lies that he's inspired!

Alright!

Thank you!

Who told you that God inspired folly?

The message the passage carries is not clear to the blind. That passage teaches us that boasting is folly. That's why true Christians never boast. The Bible teaches us both what to do and what not to do by giving us practical examples. The example here is Paul who boasted. We learn that boasting is folly from that inspired message.

advocatejare:
That’s what they get for following such a character and believing that he was a prophet of God!

Chai!!!

AntiChristian:
Then I heard the Lord say to the other men, 'follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked....show no mercy, have no pity!!!.. Kill them all- old and young, girls and women and little children...
Ezekiel 9 :5-7

Here the Biblical God says:
A. Show no mercy!

B. Have no pity!

C. Kill old, young, girls, women and little children!

Why?

Because they were idolaters!

Even little children?

Yes!

Another version!
And as I listened, He said to the others, “Follow him through the city and start killing; do not show pity or spare anyone! Slaughter the old men, the young men and maidens, the women and children; but do not go near anyone who has the mark!

Ehn!

You sure say na Bible or Qur'an?

Na Bible!

The context is a vision. The command was not to any physical individual or group.

God was showing a vision to prophet Ezekiel about the impending destruction of the Jews because they had forsaken God.

It wasn't a command to any physical individual to kill anybody.

Dtruthspeaker:
For all eternity. Gbam!

Because of the damages Ten Q and Advocatejare is causing and they can not answer, the goat stupidly thinks he can counter attack.

He does not know that he would still lose again because Jesus is a Winner man, Winner Man all the time.

I tell you. TenQ and Advocatejare don show dem shege.

AntiChristian:
Closing the discussion with you now, two things from the verse below:

2 Corinthians 11:17
In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool.

1. God's Inspiration
2. Folly!

What you are telling me if i get it well is to concede that God uses Human folly and His inspiration in the Bible!

Agreed?

That passage you quoted was inspired. The message it carries is that no matter how anointed you may be, you could fall into the trap of boasting, but know that any form of boasting is foolishness. So, beware.

AntiChristian:
So your conclusion is that God's inspiration can simply be the opinions of men?

1 Corinthians 7:12
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.

2 Corinthians 11:17
In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool.

1 Corinthians 7:25
Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy.

1 Timothy 2:8
Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or dissension.

Take a good Look at each of Paul's opinions before your next comment particularly the italicized words!

No need of too much talks.

Yes, man's opinion can be God's opinion after His minds have been trained to see things they way God sees it. That's the purpose of Christianity. To make men see things the way God sees them.

1Cor. 6:7
"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him."

TenQ has given you a scripture that tells you that 'we have the mind of Christ.'

Romans 12 tells you the process our minds undergo until it becomes transformed and abandons conformity with the world but instead conforms with Christ.

Your touch can suddenly become the touch of God. Yeah, you touch people and demons scream and sicknesses take to their heels. It happens daily in our congregations.

When a pastor preaches, the preaching is the words and toughts of the pastor breathed upon by God if the pastor is truly working with God. His messages would be inspired. Inspired words reach the hearts. Uninspired words do not go beyond the ears.

AntiChristian:
So, are all Scriptures God-Breathed or all Human thoughts or a blended mix?

You chose the first two and this can't be true!
It only shows you are confused!

If God did Inspire the Scripture which includes the New testament then there should be no room for Paul's opinions!
Otherwise, God's inspiration is incomplete or does not suffice!

Your errornous definition of inspiration according to Christianity is the problem here.

This your response does not in anyway say anything to dispute my explanations in line with the definition. You're just saying what I never said. Paul's opinions matter. God uses human opinions in books, sermons, sings, drama etc. He breathes on them and turn them into channels of blessings.

Read someone's comment on my opinionated post here: https://www.nairaland.com/7637591/all-babies-enemies-god/39#122610890

You'll notice that Courz referred to my comments and that of tctrills as being inspired by God. Does that mean that everything we said were the verbatim words of God?

AntiChristian:
Scripture actually means the Bible in this context! I quite agree he may not have know that some Christian founding fathers would incorporate about 13 of his letters into the Biblical Canon!



This your merry go round is messy! Look at your words in bolded green!
Yeah, all scripture are God-breathed.
There are human thoughts, actions, words...
How is confusion defined?

Then in the next paragraph I cleared the air on how God-breathed words and actions are defined.

When you read a book or a letter, do you draw your conclusions or make a summary of the book or letter on the basis of one paragraph?

AntiChristian:
Apostle Paul is the 13th Disciple appointed by Jesus as a Bright light after he left this world!

Premise 1: All Scriptures are God-Breathed!
In 2 Timothy 3:16 Paul said "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

NB: Take note of the Blue portion above



So, are all Scriptures God-Breathed or all Human thoughts or a blended mix?

Shamunn
Enskynelson
TenQ

Yeah, all scripture are God-breathed. Let me explain that to you.

Note that when Paul wrote these words, he was actually making reference to the Old Testament scriptures which were the only scriptures of his time. He never knew his own writings would become scriptures.

The scriptures being God breathed means the writers were motivated to write by the Spirit of God. The breathe of God is also in their writings.

There are human thoughts, actions, words and what have you but there's a single message carried by all those - God's love for you and His provision for your salvation.

When we talk about inspired words, we do not confine that only to the Bible. Even today, we have inspired songs, inspired books, inspired movies, inspired prayers, etc. These all means that God's breathe is on those songs, books or whatever it is that is deemed inspired.

There's a way to know inspired writings, and this is the forte of spirit men whose spirits has been made alive and can have spiritual perceptions.

Inspired words, songs, movies etc always lift up the soul. They edify. They build up the inner man. You can't mistake inspired stuffs when you find them. Your spirit reacts because you're spiritually alive. If it's not inspired, you'll know, and the reaction of your spirit would be negative.

Spiritually dead people don't know inspired things. Everything is natural to them because they live only within the provisions of the 5 senses of touch, taste, etc.

Your words or actions can be deemed inspired when God accompanies them by His Spirit in order to use them to bless the world.

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MaxInDHouse:
Continue lying to your soul!

Tell your Jesus to help you convince all those that agreed with you on this topic first before thinking about JWs! John 17:22

Why should Jesus convince all those that agreed with me regarding a topic? Is there any need convincing someone who is in agreement with you? SMH.

And I never even talked about Jesus convincing anybody including you. You need to meet Jesus and infact you earnestly need to meet Him. Everything would change. All you need is an encounter.

advocatejare:
He was someone with mental illness, lying and fables were his hobbies.

Check this one out: Muhammad said that the devil will enter their mouths


Sahih Muslim 2995 a
The son of Abu Said al-Khudri reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: When one of you yawns, he should keep his mouth shut with the help of his hand, for it is the devil that enters therein.

Lol.

Anyone whio believes the devil enters his mouth if he doesn't cover it is already a psychiatric patient for sure. What sort of thing is that?