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FOLYKAZE: Stop crying foul. . . . .


How can you talk of after-biological death of consciousness when you dont know what being conscious and consciousness is?

You started a thread about death when you dont know what a life is.

It just seem you guys just create a thread ignorantly only to talk ill of religion belief.




Oga. . . . .consciousness is a state of being conscious.


Conscious is aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake.

The


Is stone not responding or reacting to heat? How can you respond or react to something without being aware of it?

If stone is not aware of it body temperature, it can not react to it. Therefore, it is conscious.


The second definition of conscious is being active. . . . .

A stone is made up of energy. . . . .have you heard of case where energy is being inactive?

Therefore, a stone is conscious.





Beat that!

I stopped reading at 'conciousness is a state of being conscious '.

sukber: Take a bus going to Oshodi, at Oshodi take anoda bus to Ojota. Cross to d oda syd of d road, carry keke Marwa. Tell d rider u are going to VFS ikeja. Shikena

Thanks bro

TeamclicksAir: take a bus to oshodi, from there board a bus going to ikeja (ask at oshodi where the buses are parked). take another to oregun. then board keke to vfs. Note they wont allow you take your bag inside. so just take the docs you need with you.

Thank you

I really don't know what to say to a foolish statement claiming that a stone is conscious and you are derailing this thread!

Please how do I get to vfs ikeja from mile2.

Good morning folks, please how do I get to ikeja vfs from mile2

macof: I saw ur edited post.

The question follows actually, because you define living as "Movement, respiration, nutrition (feeding),
irritability, growth,excretion, reproduction
and death."

And consciousness as "the state of being aware"

So now do you agree that non-living things react?
If yes do you think there can be reaction without awareness??

Non living things cannot react on their own volition or in response to stimuli. So I don't agree non-living things react nor do I agree that they are aware

macof: And do you think there can be reaction without awareness??

I have edited my last post. Your question does not follow, please whats your point?

macof: Define living and then define consciousness

Main Entry: con·scious·ness
Pronunciation: \-nəs\
Function: noun
Date: 1629
1 a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact c : awareness ; especially : concern for some social or political cause 2 : the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : mind 3 : the totality of conscious states of an individual 4 : the normal state of conscious life <regained consciousness> 5 : the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes
processes


Source: Webster


A living organism must possess the characteristics

Movement, respiration, nutrition (feeding), irritability, growth,excretion, reproduction and death.

Any thing that doesn't possess these characteristics is by definition a non-living thing

MrAnony1: I got that the first time. My question is: Do you think consciousness depends on whether or not a thing is living?

Yes

MrAnony1: Will I be representing your view correctly if I say that you believe that a response to stimuli is an indicator of consciousness and where a response to stimuli is not found, the subject in question is therefore unconscious i.e. you believe a stone is unconscious because it doesn't respond to stimuli while a plant is conscious because it responds to stimuli i.e. you believe that consciousness depends on whether or not a thing is living?

A non-living thing is not conscious

MrAnony1: I hope you do realize that a response to stimuli and consciousness are in totally different categories. For instance, a mango tree responds to stimuli but is not necessarily conscious. A dreaming man is conscious of his dreams though he may not necessarily respond to external stimuli.


P/s: I am still awaiting a response to my comments on the first page of this thread here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1886955/when-die#26034521

I would like us to have a conversation on the points I raised. I hope you didn't mention me in the OP only to have me ignored.

Annony, I really don't agree that a stone is conscious. Why? because a stone can and will never exhibit the characteristics of a living thing.

A non-living thing can never be conscious

MrAnony1: You seem to lean towards the belief that it is more likely the case that there is no such thing as an afterlife because you are not conscious of any events that happened before you were born (let's refer to this as a "pre-life" ).

1. I hope you do realize that it doesn't follow that if you don't have a pre-life, you won't have an afterlife. (If you don't realize this, please take some time to explain to me why you think it follows).

2. Now that said, your question leaves us with two possibilities:

a. An afterlife exists
b. An afterlife does not exist.

3. I will argue that:

a) If an afterlife does not exist then man really has no actual moral obligations i.e It is not reasonable to act morally

b) If an afterlife exists and it's outcome depends on the way the present life is lived, then there are actual moral obligations and hence it is reasonable to act morally.

4). Expanding upon the above....

a. If there is no afterlife, then there are no consequences for the sort of life you choose to live i.e. whether you spend your life taking pleasure in smashing the skulls of innocent babies or whether you spend your life taking pleasure in caring for the helpless little ones, in the end you will just die and rot forget everything and eventually be forgotten. There is no way we can objectively say that one pleasure is better than the other. Therefore there is no reason why one needs to act morally.

b. If on the other hand, there is an afterlife and our present life determines it's outcome, then there is an objective way in which we ought to live this present life and hence there is a reason to act morally.

5). Now I must point out that the above does not prove that there is or isn't an afterlife however it shows that the absence of an afterlife is not consistent with the presence of moral values. So if you believe that there are moral duties that we ought to adhere to, then an afterlife would be consistent with such a belief.

If on the other hand you don't believe in an afterlife, then I struggle to see how you can make a case for why we ought to live morally especially if we can derive pleasure from doing evil deeds. (If you think the two are rationally compatible then you may need to explain to me how so)

Even though I have atheist leanings, I don't actually have a view. I honestly wish to understand other people's views.

ochukoccna: ^^^
Also keep your receipts n case you want to return items or claim back the VAT paid when you are leaving the UK seeing most prices have a 20% VAT charge on them

Are students exempted from vat?

How is stone conscious? Does it respond to stimuli?

muhddeen3: What I mean is. My balance went 15k short of the required minimum before 28 working days. But now the balance is well above the required.

Start recounting

striktlymi: That there is one major challenge with life. It is impractical for everyone to see things from the same viewpoint. It is possible for two individuals to be objective in their assessment of a particular item yet hold different views about it.

But diverting really, how are you sure that what you see as red is red for the next person?

Have you ever wonder how possible it will be to view yourself without a mirror?

No matter how cynical we choose to be,we can't compare a dog to a man,or a badger to a human! Never


Like for a few weeks now,I've had a nagging thought on objectivity. The question, Is my red your red? And do you see what I see? Are driving me crazy.

spikesC: Am not sure as i have never done it but it seems the court already has a dralft for that.

Thanks

spikesC: More than you can ever imagine

SpikeC I went to gtb today to change my middle name from Chuma to Chukwuma and they were asking for a lot of things which I really don't have the luxury of providing at the moment.

Please I want to get a sworn affidavit like you advised, what should the draft look like?

enigmaotr: Why are humans so profoundly distressed by death? Why do we dream of living forever? Why must we have a purpose in life? Why do people make deathbed confessions?
When you can find the answers to these questions, you'd know if afterlife is a fantasy or reality!

I seek purpose in life because I am a sentient being

spikesC: Weight limit is 23kg x 2 checking bags and 10kg hand luggage
Don't lose your way in Casablanca oo

Umu asa gbalu case ka ebe Ana eme party Na casablanca!!

Thanks for your help bro

spikesC: Weight limit is 23kg x 2 checking bags and 10kg hand luggage
Don't lose your way in Casablanca oo

Umu asa gbalu case ka ebe Aba eme party Na casablanca!!

Thanks for your help bro

But this air maroc sounds too good to be true, and they didn't specify the weight limit for bags!
$483 omo Na Morocco get me

SpikesC what's the limit?

SpikesC have you started receiving lectures?

spikesC: That address is not important

Ok I will update my account tomorrow then with my full name!

How's the uk life bro?

spikesC: Am doing fine. Still staying with my bro currently and as i came very early, everything seems to be falling in place.
If you've lived on your own in Nigeria, then you don't have anything to worry about.
People generally are friendly and university support in the UK is to notch.
They help in everything. Where to get accommodation, food and even where to party. They will direct you.

For me, i believe racism is a thing of the mind. Just try to make friends with as much people as you can, get connected and be open minded.
But be careful though, white people are very corny and unstable.
They can sue you for stupid things.

Sue me?! Are they that sensitive?

spikesC: Your TB certificate is supposed to bear your UK school address.
You need a court affidavit for your name

Yeah but there is a full section dedicated to full residential address before the Uk address.

I can get gtb to change my name.

Bambamzzzz: My oga's in the house, i saw an iberia airline one way ticket for 135k is it okay for me to buy because of these people at the POE? because its just 1 hour stop over in spain

But I saw air maroc one way for $483. 9hour flight or so.

Plus tax oo and airline charges

striktlymi: At what point does consciousness begin? Is it at the point of conception? The point when we start becoming aware of our environment? Or does it predate our physical existence?

I think when we start becoming aware of our environment