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pressplay411:All this long rubbish but yet you cannot answer a simple question.did God destroy Shiloh yes or no |
Re: Shiloh Sacrifice Scam by genkins(m): 3:08pm Boboye4slim: 1 Timothy 5:17-18 ESV / Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, [s]especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.” Point 1 This scripture does not say you should be giving pastors all your money.it does not say if you give pastors that you give to God.it only posits that those working for the church deserve a little payment for thier service and offcourse the elders deserve a little more.do you earn the same with your company manager? Matthew 10:41-42 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward. And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.” Point 2 This verse says nothing about financial or earthly reward. It also doesn't state that you should be giving money to the prophet.it says if you receive,give little as water(food) for nourishment.God or his disciples won't need money but Accommodation or food to have strength to continue the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:11 ESV / If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? Point 3 Again this verse validates what I said in the first point.it does not say if pastors reap material things from you then you are giving it to God.Again if you read further down paul said he will rather die than preach and collect money. Malachi 3:10 ESV /m Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. Point 4 Old covenant verse.not relevant for Christians 1 Corinthians 16:2 ESV / On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. Point 5 This talks about donating for the upkeep of the saints..ie other brethren in service in some town not to one pastor.again it does not say if you contribute that it is to God. Ezekiel 44:30 ESV And the first of all the firstfruits of all kinds, and every offering of all kinds from all your offerings, shall belong to the priests. You shall also give to the priests the first of your dough, that a blessing may rest on your house. Point 6 Old covenant scripture not relevant for Christians 2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Point 7 If you read down to verse 9 in context.you will see it talks about giving to the poor not pastor. Romans 12:8 ESV / The one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness. Point 8 Again this verse has nothing to do with giving to a pastor.it talks about the gift of giving which everyone cannot have.giving to the poor or maybe to meet any specific need. Mark 12:41-44 ESV / And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.” Point 9 This was before Christ destroyed the physical temple.you could worship God in the flesh(money or burnt sacrifice)but after the cross you can only worship him in spirit and in truth.if you read further Jesus said not one stone of that temple where the widow dropped her last two mites will be left standing.any temple that takes a widows last two mite instead of giving the widow,christ brought it down at the cross. Recalibrate,you need sometime to come back to normalcy.i know. |
Boboye4slim:I won't reduce myself to throwing insults like you.i just debunked everything you quoted up there.give your money to the poor.then you can make heaven.matt 25:31-46.dont be rude,listen and learn,take corrections.you can only worship God in truth and spirit.know the truth.read the Bible by yourself leave those pastors,they are after your money.you can support a church,the Bible is not against that but don't think there is a blessing attached to it.dont expect reward here on earth but in heaven.your pastors cannot tell you this because they need to to believed the opposite and thus make money from your kind.cheers |
Boboye4slim:My brother or sister I don't blame you.those that taught you are very greedy people.they gave you this scripture s to justify that you continue to give them money.like I said ,you cannot worship God with money.God doesn't need your money.the poor do.not your pastors.christianity teaches contentment.your pastors can be paid a stipend and so are church workers.but they can also be like paul and earn a crown in heaven by preaching without charge.paul said imitate me as I imitate Christ.the only way you can give to God is in Mathew 25 31-46.your pastors pretend they do not know.shalom.read my points in your quote to get understanding |
[quote author=obailala post=73596655]@Op, There's nothing wrong with giving to the church of God. Oh yes, God is a spirit and doesnt need your physical money; but what God needs is your faith! God's hand can be moved in your life when he sees you do something difficult (a sacrifice) to gain his attention. When God asked Abram to sacrifice Issac as a burnt offering, of course God isnt a cannibal so he wasnt going to come down and eat Isaac, he didnt need Isaac for anything. Likewise when God asks for animal sacrifices in the old testament, he doesnt come down to eat the lamb the people sacrifice, God doesnt eat or need your lamb meat. Also, when we fast to support our prayers, of course God doesnt come down and eat the food which we didnt eat, neither does He take pleasure in seeing you go hungry. But in all these things, God is simply moved when we deprive ourselves of something valuable to us in order to gain his attention. Depriving ourselves of something valuable or subjecting ourselves to distress is called 'sacrifice' if we do it to gain God's attention. This isnt even restricted to God. Even juju spirits that ask for sacrifices in shrines for a native doctor to perform a charm, the juju spirits dont come down to eat the white spotless male chicken you bring. All the juju wants is for you to make an effort at something difficult, to deprive yourself of something valuable. At the end, it's the chief priest and his family that eats the chicken meat, but the juju god has seen your effort in providing such a difficult requirement (sacrifice) and that is the price you have to pay for the juju to grant your wishes. So in essence, just the same way humans go on hunger strike when protesting and trying to gain attention of govt or whoever, that's the same way Christians fast or deprive themselves of money to gain God's attention. Both cases are called 'sacrifice'; but yeah, there is no doubt that the new generation religious movements have taken the money drive to a ridiculous level which even God can never be pleased with. It even gets worse when most churches now preach that giving to God must entail giving money to a church.[/ Pagan Christian.smh |
Boboye4slim:Did that verse say if you give money to pastors that you give it to God? |
orlymat:slowpoke!if you read further you will see where Jesus told his disciples that the temple would be destroyed.any temple that takes the last two mites of a widow will be destroyed.ur pastors don't tell you that.why would they.? |
BENITAPUSSY:Show me one Christian scripture that says giving to a 'man of 'god' or for church work is giving to God.ode! |
easynetsms:You guys like this old covenant things.was Solomon a Christian?why not cite example of how Christ or his apostles sacrificed and ask if it is a scam.ode! |
True.but will Nigerians hear?no they won't.nigerians are already braindead by years of brainwashing by this religious folks |
Henriekay:I knew you cannot substantiate the redemption and blessings story from the new covenant.na old testament you fit see stuff like that.your father that has been working 35 yrs I n Shell,how many private jets does he have? Nigerians ehn,wake up! |
Ambassadors:Jesus himself never advised us to give to the church but we should give to the poor.why do we do the one he did not advise us to?if you give a poor brethren then it means you give to the church because the Church is us not the building and it's administration |
Erastuslove:One moslem that we cannot verify.if you still pay tithes,you are cursed. |
LandlordHopeful:Look at you.who bewitched you? adeboye abi? Stephen full with the holy spirit was stoned to death.so who is your GO? |
iwatchandlisten:Ole!above the law ko,below the law in.receive sense IJN |
asuustrike1:Are you for real?or just joking? |
False humility while flying in a multi-million nair jet.rubbish |
HigherEd:See ehn,the way we reason is absurd.how can you be comparing atiku to Oyedepo?do people pay tithe to atiku? Oyedepo is rich,so what is he into apart from collecting from the poor and running a non profit organization like a business.when did earthly riches become a thing to boast about for a clergy?atiku is a business man and deserves to be rich but Oyedepo should focus more on heavenly riches. |
daddyfreeze's profile picture daddyfreeze • 1,492 likes daddyfreeze are these people beginning to manifest early signs of senility? - These teachings have no recourse to the Bible! Jesus himself said you shouldn’t give money meant for your parents to the temple, let alone this trash. - I hope these people have access to the wealth and the airplane she and her husband are flying, when they have finished helping them take all these decisions for them?� ~FRZ - #FreeTheSheeple - ◄ Matthew 15 ► New International Version [3] Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? [4] For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ a and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ [5] But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ [6] they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. [7] You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:... Freeze did not fail to provide scriptures to the effect. |
Pesoli:@pesoli,so you know what happened to Stephen?they stoned him and fire burnt them all?John the Baptist nko? Peter,paul,luke etc guy are u a Christian or a Jew? |
For a man that has robbed the poor silly and lives in riches And squalor from the prosperity gospel.weh done Lemme see how many jets and universities he will take with him to the after-life |
Bullshit,when last did public servants strike in solidarity with private workers? So private workers should abandon thier suffering under various private companies to protest minimum wage for public officials...abeg free us.spits |
HigherEd:So spirit will fly and change each of our pastors mind from stealing from God.continu..the revolution has already started.God can speak through anyone.the vessel is unimportant. And what is the motivation for stopping ur pastors from robbing the poor in promise of grace?to make them poorer?or to send the pastors to eternal damnation? Please think |
HigherEd:It is OK for you.is it OK by christ? |
Dr abel damina damns the consequence of standing with the true gospel as promoted by daddyfreeze. Watch this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmtbk0QpKuw We hope the purveyors of the Mammon gospel Rccg,living faith, omega ,house on the rock etc will repent and follow the true gospel soon |
HRHQueenPhil:Are you for real?smh.i give up |
obataokenwa:Every true Christian knows freeze has refused the mark of the beast.very soon to chop fit be problem but the grace of God will see him through.in Jesus's case he was crucified and most of his disciples beheaded sponsored by the elders of religion that time. If freeze stops saying the truth,goes to kneel down and get Oyedepo's or adeboye lay hands on him and start preaching their type of gospel,i bet you because of his intelligence, before 2 years he will be driving a rolce royce or Bentley and his MC job will be back |
VULCAN:So because Abraham gave(not paid)tithe once in his lifetime from spoils of war(ie not from his income) and gave the remain 90% to the king of sodom,is that why you are paying monthly?guy your darkness is deep. |
Nigerians are stupid people.i remember MMM.how we tried to convince y'all that it was a scam and Ponzi.majority defended MMM wth everything they had.we are generally daft.and when it eventually failed,they all kept quiet. Reading through this tread,majority cannot see that freeze has refused the mark of the beast.christ said the world hates him and if u follow him,the world would hate you too.you all hate this freeze abi?that's how I know freeze is right and your pastors are the anti-christ.freeze says to worships God is free but ur pastors put a price to it.Foolish Nigerians |
Opinion: Joys Oyedepo is my friend but her father’s prosperity doctrine isn’t for me The Christian theology that teaches God will bless you financially if you sow a seed is quite pretentious—while financial blessings are already given to Christians, Jews, Atheists and Muslims. So why should I bother about giving money to receive material things? The prosperity gospel was preached before I was even born with prominent televangelists in the 80’s who brought error to the Christendom. With American preachers of the likes Kenneth Copeland, Paula White-Cain and African pastors, Bishop David Oyedepo, Matthew Ashimolowo, Funke Adejumo I began to feel disconnected due to the amount of money you are required to give to be successful in life. You have this sense of obligation to give money otherwise things will not work out for you. I was blind enough to follow such doctrines while I knew that Jesus had warned us about the end times that prophets will rise in the name of Jesus to perform all kinds of miracles and money would be the focus of their mission. The problem I have with the African church is not the leadership but the wrong doctrinal practises that we have seen for the past three decades. I find it hard to believe that pastors who place emphasis on money in exchange of miracles don’t know that this is a gospel of greed and opulence. I can tell you that it is nearly impossible to attend a church service without special seeds collections. It has become the norm and many people are still afraid to speak against it because Pastors are immune to criticism apparently. When I realised that I have wasted a lot of time in church seeking for miracles instead of getting to know God on a personal basis, I was also led to believe that seed sowing and pledges were the way to my prosperity. I then discovered that it was a fraud because when I used to give money to the church, the poorer I became. I struggled a lot and knew that this wasn’t what God intended for believers on earth. Many people will judge me and say that I don’t have enough faith or maybe because I have failed to pay my dues to the church. But when I began to ask questions and study the lives of successful business men, I discovered that that these people are hardworking, diligent with a genius mind to solve society problems. I then reflected that I’m giving away money that I have toiled without a clear vision or plan for my life. I never knew much about how the economic world functions until I began to read financial books and I knew that I got it all wrong. What does seed sowing to God means when it comes to owning a business? As a matter of fact, pastors are the ones benefiting because they are the ones receiving every week. Is this fair? Not at all. So why keep giving away money and not get return for investment as promised? In the current Christian community, the emphasis is on how to become rich by giving to the pastor. I also know that God doesn’t have a bank account, but we are expected to help the needy, orphans, widows and the poor among us. If we look at the largest humanitarian charities like Unicef, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Akon Lighting Africa and many more we understand that these philanthropists understood that money is not to be spent on luxury but in rendering services. Have you ever asked yourself, why should I give my salary to my pastor? This is wrong at all levels, but many people think that I’m no longer a believer but a philosopher or free thinker. I wish you could understand and one day I’m sure you will! Do you also know that majority of Pastors have failed us, and we should not be silent about it. This is an injustice and I’m sure God knows exactly what is happening and will not allow more people to be deceived again. Now that I know the truth, nothing can change my mind about it. If you want to become rich look for innovative ideas and come up with a stunning project. As for me and my house, seed sowing, pledges and sacrificial offerings are banished, I’d rather give money to those in need not a pastor they don’t need my money. My friend Joys Oyedepo, if you manage to read this, I love you sis but couldn’t stand your father’s doctrine on prosperity anymore. I really wish you could read this and tell me if what I said was offensive or the truth. by Benita Owobi, Media Personality, TV, Radio, |
So this ugly thing is the one that had 4boyfriends.i doubt. Face-2/10 Legs-1.5/10 Curves/hip-1.7/10 Face-2/10 Cleavage-fallen-1.9/10 Like I said.i doubt |
bedspread:That God you are worshipping and you will definitely be cast into the lake of fire when the time comes.i pity you.do not forget,narrow is the way to heaven and wide is the road to eternal damnation.do you think that all of you misguided folks that are this much will make heaven?u and your God will share in eternal misery mark my words.idiot! |
