₦airaland Forum

drsibz66:
Is prostitution legal in Nigeria? Just a question

In the north? Yes
In the south? No.

MufasaLion:
Continue to make excuses for the whores. Shalom!

I would continue to make excuses for them because those girls don't sleep with ghosts. They sleep with men who pay them big big money.

Here is the thread which had the responses of men like you and me on how much they spent on sex workers: https://www.nairaland.com/7304604/what-highest-amount-paid-sex

Again, if you don't want sex workers in your society, advocate for the men to zip their trousers. Selling sex is a business.

Mystiquefia:
You're an idiot
Selling sex is illegal in Nigeria, videoing them isn't
Why are you advocating for punishment of what is legal and condoling what is illegal?

Only in Northern Nigeria. It is not criminalised in the south.

https://unilaglawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SEX-WORK-IN-NIGERIA-REGULATION-NOT-CRIMINALIZATION.pdf

BigYash:
Is Ashawo a legal business in Nigeria? No dey encourage rubbish abeg

Your moniker is BigYash, which could mean BigYansh. Why are Nigerians so hypocritical and disingenuous? You literally have a moniker rooted in sex, but criticise sex workers?

MufasaLion:
Why not go to Saudi and be patronizing prostitutes? Or there are no men that would like to sleep with whores?

You can't find a LovePeddler there, and even if you do, it will be extremely discrete. So, lack of whores reduces patronages too.

Saudi men dissuade sex work because they practice it in secret. Nigerian men, especially those in the south, encouraged it because they do it publicly. That is the difference. The men in both situations should be held accountable. Sex workers WOULD NOT EXIST without the patronage of men like you and me.

BTW, sex work is a global phenomenon. There are sex workers in Columbia, Singapore, Thailand, Brazil etc. If you don't want sex workers, construct your society like the men in Saudi Arabia and Kano did. Men build/create societies, not women. https://www.nairaland.com/7684230/how-reduce-hook-ups-nigeria

An unemployed Nigerian man goes on YouTube. You don't do "sh!t", but the patrons of those girls are men like you. If you want those girls to be off the street, campaign for Nigerian men to stop patronising them. It is that simple. Consumers dictate what companies sell, not the other way round. It is men like you with preek like you that patronise those girls. Go directly to the source!

https://www.nairaland.com/7684230/how-reduce-hook-ups-nigeria

https://www.nairaland.com/8064135/hook-up-girls-earnings-expenses-pictured

A clear example of the optimism and lovey-dovey attitude of naive Nigerians.

You cannot have two Christians in a country where Muslims have a slight majority and DOMINATE the political scene. In the South West, Muslims dominate the scene. Two, the North would never vote for such a combination, and as a result, that pair cannot win as votes from the North West and North East will trump whatever votes from the South West and Southeast.

BTW, why Osinbajo after Tinubu?

Lateef73:
Any society where there is high rate of immigrants, crime is always a problem no matter how good your security system is.

China had to introduce facial recognition system to curb crime but Western countries don't want to do it because of freedom.

Two sides to the bold:

1) It is true that a society where there are many immigrants, especially heterogeneous from the native population would have a high crime rate. Homogenous countries that are prosperous are safer than their heterogeneous counterparts. South Korea is safer than Canada.

2) A society made up of immigrants can also be safe IF there is strong enforcement of laws curtailing criminal activities. This requires an ethnic or racial group that is against crime in all forms. To enable this occur, the ethnic or racial group has to be in the majority. Singapore is a clear example.

IbeOkehie:
But, but, but....there's bigger melons here. I think.

I know you like melons.

Good Luck to Melon Farmers.

Sure, I do. I really love the breasts of young black women.

But man, have you seen the thighs and legs of young to mid-age Japanese women? Freakingly hot!

NaijaVietnamese:
Nigerians are now being seen as nuisance in Asia. Almost every country over there has either banned the green passport or used disguised means to stop us from coming.

Only a few countries in Asia still accept our nationals as tourists/businessmen. They’re namely; Malaysia, Vietnam, China, and Singapore. A couple of others include Maldives, and some other irrelevant tiny island nations.

If we continue invading these countries and they keep chasing us around, these few remaining countries will also ban us. Cambodia used to be visa on arrival for Nigerians until they got tired of yahoo guys, drug dealers and stranded Nigerians loitering around their country. Today, Nigerians can’t go to Cambodia. Yet, our people have managed to discover land routes through which they’re smuggled into that poor country. If Nigeria wasn’t bastardized by politicians, we should be the ones giving aid to Cambodia!

When will Nigerians arise, because we either fight these guys and reclaim our country or we continue to face endless pains.

That is terrible! How can our people go to Cambodia to foment criminal activities? How can Nigerians go to Cambodia to deal in drugs and do yahoo yahoo?

Well, I trust Asian countries when it comes to dealing with black African criminals. They do it ruthlessly, brutally, mercilessly and thoroughly! Deal with them!!!!!!!

IbeOkehie:
Unfortunately this kinda thing is getting to be normal in the UK & USA. Governments are refusing to enforce laws against robbery and violent crime in general. The main reason is the election of left wing, progressive and liberal politicians into office.

Their main reason for declining to enforce the law is that they want to ensure equity in law enforcement.

The government of the city of London is left wing and woke. Now the national government is also liberal. So the people of the UK should ready themselves for an onslaught of violent crime because the criminals know the political climate is favorable for their trade.

While we wait for Nov 2015 here in the USA....

Good Luck to the UK.

The future is Asia. Long Live the Han Chinese!

Ibime:
And they told you the victim (Luca) is a black man? You just dey cap careless

London Police generally don't allocate investigation time to non violent crimes. I learned this when my bike was stolen many years ago. They just said they don't have time to be requesting and checking CCTV upandan. They will just tell you you are OYO unless you were physically harmed in the process of the robbery. Theft and such no too concern them unless the loss is huge (hundreds of thousands)

An incompetent police force when compared to their counterparts in East Asia. Singapore's police force WOULD never!

caye:
The story above further buttresses my opinion that:

- you can't get justice from the white man. Any case that is against a white man Vs a black man or non-european, they all "get in code" , and it doesn't see the light of the day. Just like :

-st person. Build a just society in Africa. If you think your salvation is in Europe or America, God has a cane upstairs to re-set your brain.

That is untrue.

The majority of the victims are Whites, both British and other Europeans. None of the culprits are Whites.

"Inside London's battle against luxury watch theft" - FT

omoredia:
Anywhere Nigerian start to increase in numbers just be careful

This is not true. The majority of the thieves are Arabs and North Africans, plus the unfortunate Afro-Arabs who called themselves Sudanese and Somalians.

Indian elites living in London have also complained about the same to David Lammy when he was a shadow secretary. London is not safe when it comes to watches. A British-Nigerian celebrity was stabbed to death for the same issue. His was even painful as the said watch was fake. If you must visit the world's stabbing capital, go there without a watch. If you must wear an expensive watch while in public, do so in East Asian cities and any city dominated by the Chinese.

Wotowotoman:
This was my point all along. At no time has it been cheap or easy to get into that Nigerians could just go and come back as you stated in that post I was referring to. Ten years ago, tuition alone was close to 60k pounds. Today, it is double that amount. Not to talk of the high cost of rent and living expenses in London.

The Nigerian Mo Ibrahim scholars that attended LBS definitely did not return to their old jobs in Naija after the MBA.

My apologies. I did not see the part where you question if he returned. My bad. I thought you disputed whether such a man existed in the first place.

Wotowotoman:
Did he return to Naija after his studies? 🤔

No. Why did you ask?

I found it interesting he resides in London as in the Poet&Quant's article, he indicated he would return. Or maybe I expected him to return.

Wotowotoman:
This is not true. If you are sure of this, please name the person.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/adesojisolanke/

Where I first read about him: https://poetsandquants.com/2016/09/06/meet-london-business-school-mba-class-2018/10/

I cannot find the article where he mentioned getting funding from Theophilus Danjuma but had to seek more as Danjuma only gives 10% of total fees. But Theophilus Danjuma Foundation only sponsors students who studied at top B-schools.
Here: https://www.tyd-fo.co.uk/ty-danjuma-mba-scholarship/

I know it is hard to trust Nigerians, but whenever I state something, please believe me. I don't lie. I cannot lie. I don't know how to lie.

Thank you.

As I stated weeks ago:

Gerrard59:
The average Nigerian is an economic illiterate. From Instablog to Twitter to Nairaland. Bunch of foools!

Nigerians are a bunch of unintelligent people who are braggadocious miscreants!

It is why when faced with hard facts and figures disputing the nonsense they spew, they become angry.

lastkingsman:
Economic pressure as a result of looting and poor governance will collapse Nigeria. Nobody needs to fight any war. That's why I am standing on this mandate till 2031, Gandollars can run after Bulaba

Nothing will happen. You over-rate Nigerians. As long as Nigeria(ns) is divided across ethnic and religious lines, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. No protest in Nigeria has ever been united.

IbeOkehie:
This article again is worth a good read for everyone - https://businessday.ng/columnist/article/time-to-end-the-nigeria-is-rich-myth/

I'll add that I have extensive experience, reports and observation on the matter of Nigeria vs UK/USA. My conclusion is that in the long term, living in the UK/USA even as an illegal migrant offers a better chance of living a long life AND accumulating wealth above the world 50th percentile and attaining a lifestyle consistent with WORLD middle class standards.

I love Remi Adekoya (no homo). His thoughts about the need for a prosperous black Africa align with mine. I intend to buy his book: "It is not about Whiteness, it is about wealth". My thread on the issue: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically
I created that thread before coming across Mr Remi.

I agree with your hypothesis but further and detailed research is required to solidify the notion. Also, I agree with strictly to the US/UK as other developed countries don't provide similar opportunities as their Anglo-American counterparts.

When I got my bachelor's degree here in the USA, I remember that the percentage of adults with university degrees was 12.5%, whereas in Nigeria it was around 3%. Even at the time of Obasanjo's presidency when private universities were becoming popular, I remember it was around 5%. The point being that University graduates in Nigeria are a very ELITE group, they're a very small and privileged slice and

Well, this is universal, not just a Nigerian thing. University graduates are an elite group everywhere, especially in countries where tertiary education is quite expensive or out-of-reach from most citizens.

even then, most of them don't live better than a working non-university educated UK/USA resident of Black descent.

Interesting, but this is quite hard to agree with until there are clear numbers to back the notion. For one, the US is an economic giant, so non-university-educated African Americans might out-perform university-educated Nigerians. So, on the basis of differences in GDP, it is an apples-to-orange comparison. Rather than do so, it will be better to compare them (AAs) to, say, black Brits in the same category of non-university educated. I would have suggested we compare that class of Nigerians to black South Africans, but the history of the latter makes it lopsided.

Nigeria got independence in 1960, the USA Civil Rights Act bestowing full rights to Black Americans was passed in 1965. Here's some statistics that anyone interested in the Nigeria vs USA/UK comparison should find interesting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+GDP+of+Black+America+as+a+nation&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=what+is+the+GDP+of+Black+America+as+a+nation&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigAdIBCTE5MzI1ajBqNKgCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I could go on and on. I have an 18 year old Black American working beside me today...owns a car and rents an apartment which I'm sure have the usual amenities that are basic to housing here. And doesn't have to queue to buy petrol. How many 40 year olds in Nigeria live better than that?

The search results, especially the one by McKinsey support your notion. So, yes, you are right, which is factual anyway - African Americans are the richest set of black people in the world.

Yet supposedly educated Nigerians when comparing these countries and their prospects for the average person will cite Aliko Dangote and Olugbenga Agboola and Don Jazzy. How stupid is that? There's no wondering why Nigeria is the Poverty Capital of the World when the educated ones can't even think logically.

Most times, many university-educated Nigerians, especially those from families already in the upper-middle class, don't consider the bigger picture when analysing issues. I recall my former boss was stunned that federal roads were horrible. Why? He has always been using flights to travel out of Lagos. That was his first time experiencing what MOST Nigerians go through. These people don't travel by road or move out on foot to various parts of their regions. Their adventures begin in Lekki/VI/Ikoyi/Ikeja GRA and end at Maitama/Asokoro/Guzape. Boom! They have seen the beginning and end of Nigeria.

Wotowotoman:
I read one of your comments in one of the links up there where you said Nigerians could afford to go to London Business School and come back to their jobs. Haba LBS has never been that cheap or easy to get into.

If you are so sure of that, please name those people. I’m not talking about diploma or those certificates that Nigerian bankers collect and call themselves alumnus o

Agreed, but as I stated, I am willing to bet more Nigerians attended top B-schools during OBJ and GEJ's administration than Buhari. There is a certain man who had funding from Mo Ibrahim and Theophilus Danjuma Scholarship who attended London Business School. He returned after his studies. It is a very niche area of research, which unfortunately I am not interested in at the moment. The decent and good jobs which serve as places to work and learn corporate culture/business before B-schools were abundant then than now.

Here is the news: Nigeria cannot divide.

For Nigeria to divide, there has to be a war, bloodier and deadlier than the Civil War. No country in recent history, say the 21st Century, aside from the breakup of the Soviet Union, has divided without a war. Even Kosovo which is "divided" is not recognised by the China/Russia bloc in the International Community. This brings me to an important part: for a country to successfully divide and function, it needs to be recognised by all major power blocs in the International Community. The international community here is: The West and its allies, India, China/Russia, Brazil, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc. Failure to get these parties to recognise your new country means life would be miserable for every citizen. It means you people are cut off from international trade and travel. The poverty will be X2 of what they experienced while in Nigeria. Other examples are Northern Cyprus and to an extent Taiwan.

Please note, I am not a fan of "One Naijeriya", but we have to grasp reality here. Any division of present-day Nigeria WILL not happen without a bloody war.

IbeOkehie:
The data is important. It's about probability, chances and such. Hostility to statistics is a Nigerian cultural failing. If you still don't get it, then you're too young to understand.

(1) You say you did NYSC in Nigeria in 2019. Are you in touch with your your NYSC mates? Overall how are those of them in Nigeria faring in the current economy?

For me, I will say most are doing fine. What I must state here is that I had more female classmates, so in a society like Nigeria, we know what that means. But most of the males are doing okay. It is that of secondary school that is not favourable.

(2) You seem to be very young, so you may not know that a huge number of Nigerians abroad returned permanently to Nigeria in the 1970s. You should ask older Nigerians how those people turned out. And also, it would be useful to compare those returnees to those who remained abroad in the 1970s both legally and illegally.

This is a question I hope to answer before this set kpeme finish. It would be good so we compare their trajectories and experiences to recent emigres. We know where we are coming from and where we are going.

I think your parents must be rich Nigeria based business or government big wigs. Understand that the DATA shows your circumstances are the EXCEPTION and not the rule in Nigeria. Again it's about general outcomes, not you in particular. [b]

It is an issue with most Nigerians online - they debate anecdotally. Just because people see pockets of wealth here and there mostly in Lagos, Abuja and Port-Harcourt does not mean on a whole Nigerians are doing well, at least compared to the early 2000s. Nigeria does not start in Lagos and ends in Abuja.

I don't want to live in a country where people need high social capital to get petrol to put in their car.

I was shocked to read that there are fuel queues. Sometimes, Nigeria tends to defy rational thinking.

tshtsh:
You even tried to respond to him. I see many like him in Canada who think Canada is heaven and continue to share data about Nigeria's poverty and all that. The society has wired them to think the rat ace life they live is paradise. There are Nigerians doing amazingly well in Nigeria and there are those struggling to get by. As a person I make decisions based on what works for me not based on some data. Some of them return to Nigeria on wheel chair in old age and live a miserable life after living the rat race life abroad

While the bold is true, the statistics say more people are struggling to get by. While I agree with what works for each individual, we should respect numbers - accurately researched - especially when assessing the whole picture.

Wotowotoman:
I notice that you have an interest in Nigerian MBAs and their profiles. You do all the research on these people because you aspire to be like them? Or are you trying to be an MBA consultant for japa minded people? Just curious.

Not only them.

While I admire those folks, the time to be like them don pass as I am not cut out for it. Plying that path means I would be living my life based on how others lived theirs. Also, I no be MBA consultant. Nigerians don't have the money to pay. I don't have the data, but I can wager that the number of Nigerian applicants who write the CFA exams and apply to top B-schools has plummeted ever since Buhari became the president. I explained it here: https://www.nairaland.com/1287938/lagos-business-school-mba-vs/1#128008954

The major reason I keep track of these achievements and trajectories is to study how certain people perform in life to provide answers to certain questions. I want the answers to be fact-based, not dem tell me say or I no fit lie give you. I explained it here: https://www.nairaland.com/7763389/top-jamb-scorers-where-today#124399425

Few years ago, one Nairalander argued that Africans score very high on the GRE and he knows many people who excelled in the quant section hitting 160/160 blah blah blah. Mind you, this data is anecdotal. He continued till the opposing Nairalander provided data from ETS (the test makers) which showed that Nigerians on average had low quant scores and our verbal scores were even lower than those of Mainland Chinese. Furthermore, an article from BusinessBecause showed that, on average, Africans had less than 700 in GMAT.

Average GMAT scores of Africans: https://moguldom.com/132979/132979/
From South Africa: https://www.businessbecause.com/news/mba-africa/5348/why-are-south-africans-not-applying-to-business-school?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=non_sponsored
From ETS: https://www.ets.org/pdfs/gre/snapshot-test-taker-data-2020.pdf (We had lower verbal scores than Mainland Chinese and Japanese).

The summary of my rant is that in every categorical statement anyone says/makes, s/he must provide data. I no fit lie give you is not an evidence.

elhakiimed:
'll take whatever is the opposite of what you are, anyday. I'm certain the post went right over your rough head. Incoherent loser.

And this fool too

Cry me a river! The war between Israel and Palestine continues and there is nothing a riff-raff whose head is filled with generator fumes can do about it!

ednut1:
what happened to the proof of funds shown during application?. I advised two friends to go learn French and do express entry instead of coming to study in one of these mushrooms colleges they didn’t listen and are still hell bent on coming with student visa despite not having the tuition/ pof. Canada needs to introduce blocked accounts like Germany at this point.

Why are our people, mostly university graduates, interested in those diploma mills? Don't they know the after-effects when it comes to employment opportunities? I know dem Waterloo, UoT, McGill and UBC are hard to enter, but there are equally good schools like University of Ottawa, Western University etc. Wetin do those ones?

elhakiimed:
Pained soul. I suppose de make register of my activity post am for mail come your house because I be African Muslim.
ce and you no get courtesy to read post first.

Which other place for the whole world children de at risk like Gazan kids? Close to 15,000 children die, you wan de use insincere reference confuse people.

Charity begins at home. More children and adult lives have been lost in Nigeria within the past decade than whatever number in Gaza. If it pains you so much, here are two options:

- Travel to Gaza to fight the Israeli Defence Force
- Donate to Palestinians

walenden:
Canada is an overrated hell of a place!. Some people in Nigeria eat better than they do after moving to Canada, but the truth is often hidden as people tend to criticize Nigeria while covering up the realities of life in a place like Canada. My brother had to sleep at a train station in Toronto for two days before finding a temporary place to stay. Even their so-called homeless shelters are filled up and no space . It's a terrible place for any hustler looking to work and study because currently no work and many are jobless . Money wasted on worthless education there is better invested elsewhere! if you go online you will see thousand of job but it all liars and deceivers! .

Truth is: You people don't have money for japa via student route for a country like Canada. For your brother to sleep at a train station for two days, it means una no get money. Accept it. Canada is not a place to hustle (using the Nigerian parlance). It is not a bad thing to not have money o. Just that the country big pass una power. My female friend who studied there and is now a citizen had her oil company uncles pay for everything. The other dude who was a teacher in Nigeria earning 63,000 per month got a full scholarship. The other one I was told got a scholarship by Mastercard. So, you see, either you hold plenty of money or have the brains to obtain a scholarship.

many of you Nigerians aboard please make you guys dey tell people coming the truth and not creating all this fake paradise credit lifestyle online to deceive people back home !!

Most of these folks relocated via express entry. So, they had well-paying jobs, had enough money to sustain themselves and most importantly, they entered the country before the on-set of COVID-19.

elhakiimed:
Today I had the time for a retrospect. I find it hard to shake off the disappointment I feel about my reaction to a recent development in the ongoing international wars.

I caught myself feeling a little less than a 100 percent dejected about the recent bombing of the alleged Children’s Hospitals in Ukraine. I fear I might have become desensitized to such horror, which should have been unthinkable.
You share responsibility for their death in Palestine, Congo, Sudan, Ukraine, etc. If you don't draw the line at their endangerment.

yen yen yen... I searched your moniker with the following terms:

"elhakiimed + Jos"
"elhakiimed + Fulani herdsmen"
"elhakiimed + Bandits"
"elhakiimed + Benue"

NOTHING CAME OUT!

A black African who mostly queues for petrol is more concerned with the events in far-away Ukraine than the events happening in his backyard. You are a black Muslim man in Nigeria, Mr elhakiimed, when have you protested the continuous slaughtering of Muslim farmers in Zamfara? In Katsina? In Borno? In Niger State? Don't they deserve similar concerns you have for long-distance Gazans? Are the lives of Gazans superior to your fellow Nigerians who are butchered simply because they went to cultivate their crops?

Wotowotoman:
On paragraph one, an exceptional black woman in the context of B School is one that can score at least a 750 in the GMAT, graduated with a first class if from Naija (or Summa Cum Laude if from Yankee school), worked in Goldman Sachs IBD or McKinsey/Bain/BCG/Google/Apple etc. out of university and maybe played sports or started a business in college (bonus points).

We have had such types of women. Here is one: https://www.linkedin.com/in/solabright/
Here was her story: https://thirdworldtoivyleague..com/2015/10/3-ways-living-in-lagos-affected-my-gmat.html

She was one of the first Nigerian schooled employees at McKinsey Nigeria.

Of late, Oxford Said School of Business has admitted a lot of African women. Expectedly, Nigerian women dominate the list. But I must that Said is ranked lower than London Business School and INSEAD (plenty of African women have attended this school). I recall Kemi Onabanjo of McKinsey was pained that she got denied Singapore visa to study at the campus there even with full funding and a job offer in Lagos.

I mean this is what it takes to be an exceptional candidate (male of female) for HBS, Stanford and probably Wharton for Finance oriented candidates.

I get to see more of our men attend Wharton than our women.

However, for black women you don’t necessarily have to be this exceptional, especially coming from Africa. As I mentioned before, just be decent and you have a good shot at it…with scholarship sef.

This is accurate. It is a woman's world these days.

Wotowotoman:
As per the second paragraph, of course it used to be easier for black men (especially Africans) but what you will notice is that these spots have become very competitive due to the advancement in technology. As the internet became available to all, Africans woke up and started applying for these limited spots. These days, you have to be exceptional as a black man to get the spots available to blacks.

Yes. It is now tough, but we still have it easier than Indian males.