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[quote author=A-town]Ghostofsparta has claimed he saw and experienced Egun walking on water.[/quote][size=15pt]Yekpa![/size]
[quote author=A-town]How to explain a masquerade walking on a river? Hehe didn't David Blaine abi that Las Vegas guy or the Guy in London do the exact same thing.[/quote]You guys obviously misconstrued me, first of all, I think at this point, I reserve a privilege to say you guys don't even know shit about the white man's concept of to vanish. To vanish is exactly the same thing with disappear and invisibility, all three of which are totally different from TELEPORTATION which is precisely what the Egungun masquerade did when I twisted it as: "How can you explain a masquerade crossing a river without rowing through it or passing the other way round through the bank in front of everybody" that statement is meant for you to crank your brain and wasn't to imply the Egungun walked on water.
[quote author=A-town]The issue of shooting and the shooter gets hit can be likened to accidental discharges. Need i explain more?[/quote]What do you mean? what are you saying? Who is talking of accidental discharge? Guy all this talk is cheap, when you're ready bring your ultra definition 3D fusion camera, your N100K cheque, and come feed your eyes with not the type seen in 'The Prestige' movie where the character Christian Bale was playing is using sleight of hand to simulate the catching of fired bullet.

[quote author=A-town]Guns jam all the time as well. Maybe when this happens in the west, people should start saying it is jazz right? We also know how it is done. So cancel that one. Na illusion again.[/quote]Have you got reasoning? Who doesn't know firearm do jam at anytime like the American's did in Vietnamese swamp? But what are the chances that a given firearm wouldn't jam after been shot twice or more at a static effigy for instance before being aimed at someone rendered with that particular ABP that makes it jam instantly at? If my english is somehow, let me put it this way...Mr. JUJU says aiming the muzzle of a firearm at him renders it locked/jams through supernatural means and you are saying well if it does the rationale is "guns do jam afterall", what are the odds that it wouldn't from at that moment of trial? Reminds me of a superb movie 'Primeval' there is this scene in it that tries to tell its viewers that it's because the character Dominic Purcell was playing had it firearm wallowed in the river was the reason why it didn't fired initially making it machete wielding attacker to think his incantation was working. A-Town when you're ready, you may bring your fellow skeptics and disbelievers as witness to see that it will happen live in an uncontrolled and uninfluenced environment. I have watched Magic Biggest Secret Finally Revealed Season 1 and 2 wherein the host, called 'The Masked Magician' revealed all the stage and gizmo-aided tricks and deceptions behind all prominent western magic which are solely to inspire awe on it viewers and to entertain audience. I don't need to be enlightened about 'plexi-glass', 'smokes and mirrors' etc, I am already aware of those explainable magics and illusions which is entirely different from the seemingly REAL supernatural magic (Yoruba Advanced Sciences) I talk of.

[quote author=A-town]The issue of someone passing through a wall is something i would like to see because it is similar to the disappearing act which i maintain is a LIE until i see proof.[/quote]This one is even child's play stuff, when you're ready you will see and videoshoot Mr. JUJUMAN moving through a wall showing up on the other side. My brother this powers are for real but are not only jealously guarded but are also hoarded which is what vexes me the most about our so called native doctors and has driven me to document as many as I can in that book I am making tremendous research on. There are different types of it gan sef. Like I am told 'Ogun guuuuuuun'

For those reading this topic who know about what I am talking of, and have seen or are into it, do not think I am on a quest to reveal the secret formulas of our superscientist (babalawos and oniseguns) for the world to use in my book. NO, that is not my intention, my intention is to list, define and classify both the malevolent, benevolent and neutral powers(YAS) into a form of nomenclature not only for the world to know Yoruba Africans have already been far ahead of whatever the white man's science and tech can stumble on, but most importantly how we can adapt if not all, but some of them can be adopted to practical purpose in modern times because I strongly think it's folly if we Africans think we can meet up with the whites regarding how far they've gone given the technological products derived from the application of their empirical based sciences.

[quote author=A-town]Our ancestors didn't use it against the invaders simply because IT DIDN'T EXIST. Their JAZZ was and is still FAKE and they are a bloody SHAME and DISGRACE to humanity for lieing to us all this years. They kept preaching they had powers and yet when it mattered most they couldn't save their KINSMEN. SHAMEFUL LIARS.[/quote]Stop been a provocateur, simply because you haven't set your eyes on REAL jazz in action does mean it doesn't EXIST? Stop insulting our black ancestors. They knew better, they know best why everything happened the way it did. FYI, they never preached like the religious proselytizers that they had powers, you are getting a whole lot of thing wrong dude.

FOLYKAZE: Erm....Coca cola recipe is secret today abi I lie? Secrecy aid survival of life. It strength of business development and the stronghold of every society is embedded with secret.

I may disagree with you a bit, secrecy doesn't necessary aid survival. I believe information and knowledge should be free but not free as such in the full sense of free and common. What I mean is everyone can read about the internal combustion engine which is the basis of electric generator and automobiles, if that particular knowledge was hidden and hoarded, we wouldn't have a variety of cars today with their unique engine advancements. We'd have only, say Mercedez or Ford. If our ancient superscientists had revealed the knowledge of Kanoko or Egbe, people would be traveling long distance today in short time because all the weaknesses and shortcomings of Kanoko and Egbe would have been perfect maybe by an Austrian or a Tutsi deep thinker. I don't know if you get my point? Everyone knows the underlying principle of nuclear energy but not everyone is qualified/certified to harness it potential but at least the knowledge is there, in our Chemistry textbooks and free on the internet just like how to make portable propulsion crafts, explosives, TNT etc are allover the web.

FOLYKAZE: I logged my whole time this evening explaining concept of Ogun....the god of iron to a friend. She was felt fvck up when she realise I believe in Ogun as an Atheist. Some think Ogun is humanbeing like the myth attributed with it. But to my knowledge, it force....energy. It iron/metal in blood, electrical magnet, gravity and verse of every singularity of nature. Lol... In with my sense The fact is this force (ogun) exist but the humanic myth is the delusion people are drunk with.

Please don't consider me bragging, but believe me when I say I am a researcher. You even stand to be corrected too just like Professor Wole Soyinka (my respect to him). Ogun is not God of Iron, Sango is not God of Thunder, all these appellations are completely off point, and it's because of the tremendous and pernicious influence of Abrahamic religion and Greco-Roman framework that's even affecting how we interpret our stuff. Sango is the deity presiding over INSTANT JUSTICE and VENGEANCE harnessing thunder bolt to fight, manifestable today when invoked as thunder and lightening, while OGUN is the deity presiding over BATTLE, METAL TECHNOLOGY and also JUSTICE. Even the term deity is a misnomer. We should call it what our ancestors call 'Irunmole(collectively[401]/'Orisha(single).

@A-Town
The challenge is ON, pick one of the six challenge offered to you, or are you thinking there's some sort of hanky-panky behind them hence doesn't qualify supernatural enough for your logical mind, then if so, may I suggest two more for you to pick one, where you will be asked to place your palm on the ground surface and certain rite and incantation will be done and asked to pull your own palms off with all your strength but will never unless it's undone (this particular jazz was demonstrated for a dude like you who claimed Jesus power is superior to that of any native doctor). In my assessment, no native doctor claimed these powers are theirs, they knowledge of all these powers are all from one source, they can either be applied for good or evil. The second one is....you would bring forth your healthy cockerel which you can strangulate yourself to death and you will see how it would be waken up back to life with a YAS ring. This particular jazz, the superscience sage said it can also be applied for someone who JUST died from an avoidable death iku ojiji, provided no one as shed tears or exhibited sorrow or mourned him/her. Imagine the white scientists getting their hands on that ring, they wouldn't mind spending any amount to advanced it further through extensive research and experiments to achieve how it can be applied beyond 'avoidable death', they would reverse engineer the components of the ring to its precise mole ratio, further analyzing what and what got synesthestically introduced into the corpse at X-Y-Z condition and temperature, thereby given rise to anti-necrobiotic agents responsible for the rapid catalysis of self-repairing tissue cells within the exit-wound of the bullet! gbam! mant Nigerians would shout Oyinbo are next to God o, imagine they can now wake up the instant dead, some fools here would say, ha! you see again oyinbo people dey always use their juju for good things like eroplane, helokopta, telivishun but God pass dem sha. Mr. A-town I don't want to use more punchlines meant for my book "Why I Am Not Yet An Atheist: Enter YAS" on this thread. Until you come back to Yorubaland and take up one of the now 8 wager-challenge I have put to you, remain as the renowned skeptic/debunker 'Mike Enslin' in the movie '1408'

jayriginal: Are you for real?

No I am as unreal as a ghost.

jayriginal: Your very first post talks about someone who was shot at and the bullets did not enter. You even put up a gory picture of the person.

Please, look at number 6 of your post

I will go ahead and make the assumption that this and the rest are not addressed to me.

Mr. man what is your point^

@Delors

I followed the link to this thread of yours from the other Why Africa May Never Produce A Facebook, Groupon, Zynga Or Google thread

You make so many points, but never hammered one, hence I have this to say to you and everyone who cares to know.

Nothing great may ever come out of Nigeria if we don't forfeit these foreign religions and go back to harness the knowledge and powers from our ancestral legacies and traditions. Go through my posts, I have gone through yours.

jayriginal: This is bewildering at the very least.

You do need to be a marksman to hit a target. No one is saying that just because you are not a trained marksman, it is impossible to hit a target. You can hit a target by luck or if the range is point blank. People get hit by strays all the time.

Let me ask you. Why do you think people prefer to use sawed off double barrels knowing fully well that it is illegal? Its because the bullets from a sawed off spread and all you need to do is generally point in the direction of your target and it is almost sure to get hit. Unfortunately, other things in that direction will also get hit. Sawed offs dont provide accuracy, they provide radius.

I doubt you have ever fired a gun from the way you are talking. Heck even a catapult is difficult to aim without practice.

Oh and if you shoot into a crowd, its likely someone will get hit. That is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about aiming at a specific target. Forget the movies you have been watching.

Ogbeni are we discussing firearms here? What's your point^^^? I haven't cited any movies, even so, are you telling me that marksmans movies like Enemy At The Gate isn't to a large extent factual? Okay let me put it this way...anybody can shoot at a large human target in LONG CLOSE RANGE and in this context those with APB who gets hit always felt it depending on the type their body is rendered with. There's the type that deflects the course of the bullet, the type thats drastically retards the velocity of the incoming bullet projectile thereby imapct would be non-lethal(my theory), the type that it is he who fires it that receives the bullet injury!(explain that A-town), the type that when you fire it jams and back fires!, the type that when you fire it water comes out (unconfirmed), and they all have their distinct names and versions/variants, what counteracts them, and what counteract the counteracters and so on.

New Alfa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ochyXJe-KVc

This is how the gullible like the op are deceived.

First of all I am not gullible. You, A-Town and the rest of all disbeliever in African supernatural powers need to start BELIEVING in the advanced sciences of our ancient black scientists, that your mindsets which have been carved to find it delectable to subject everything under the purview of white man's science should not be completely suspended but to see how it can proffer explanation to MAREVELOUS things you're yet to see.

That video which I have seen before in the course of my research in African paranormal is as old as any T-34 tank and regardless of the questionable feats exhibited in that video I still aver that there exist African supernatural powers, especially those of the Yorubas. Very long time ago, I posted that particular video to those atheists at Atheist Republic and one of them replied with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlg-CtJDAGI as reply to disprove it.

If not for your uncouthness and the fact that this is a public forum I would have told you to try out a Yoruba Advanced Science which require some newly born cubs from a female dog, a ring, and water just to remove your disbelieve. This particular YAS is a type I classify under the OFFENSIVES in my book, and I know if the western world were to know about it, they wouldn't only weaponize it, they'd try to see if they can squeeze every juice out of it workings.

My brother, tell me how does someone walk through a wall directly which I have seen. How can you explain a masquerade crossing a river without rowing through it or passing the other way round through the bank in front of everybody. How can you explain the diversion, halting and stopping of rain, also the inducement of rain and wind. I am proud of my ancient ancestors for all these powers and many I have seen, the question is why didn't they use and collect all these powers together, use it to defend themselves from Europeans and Arabs invaders, defeats them, chased them back to their lands, invade their lands, conquer them and enslave them? The answer is very simple.

1. We are not war-mongers like the Scandinavians, Conquistadors, Celts, Mongols, Saxons, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Gauls, Asians etc.
2. Our ancient superscientists (agbas, babalawos and oniseguns etc) kept this esoteric knowledge so restrictively because if everyone were to know about them, well aside from the certainty that we'd use them to protect our selves collectively from external invaders, it's also certain that there would be less than a million people existing in this world today. I know what I am saying...if those knowledge had become common among us, 98% will neglect the ones that are either neutral or beneficial, they would be attracted to those powers that are too destructive.

Those among our ancestors who knew about these esoteric knowledges, knowledges capable of tremendous powers such as to vanish, change shape, travel great distance in short time, super-advanced telephony and so many more that I shall be documenting in the book: Why I Am Not Yet An Atheist: Enter YAS. Of recently I just confirmed that the Yorubas still have the esoteric knowledge on how to make incendiaries beyond what Chemistry can decipher and ofcourse anti-explosives such as grenade bombs.

I know it is silly and improper of me to be making all this claims on behalf of the Yorubas and Igbos without any proof to back up. I know the burden of proof is on me or any claimant, I have deem it wise to provide them in the book, however still any disbeliever can take up any of this wager-challenge just to clear his disbelief.

@A-Town, whenever you're in town holla ghostsofsparta@live.com but for now let me know which one of the six listed feats you like proven to you?

Krasid: What Africa lacks is creativity.We always want to copy the western world or build on what they have created.

^^^Precisely another point, imagine why must NOLLYWOOD copy the WOOD to imitate HOLLYWOOD?

vladimiros: THERE IS A GROUP ON FACEBOOKC ALLED SILICON AFRICA
_{ITS HAS NAIRALAND FOUNDER
IROKO TV AND MUSIC FOUNDER
HOTELS.NG FOUNDER
JUMIA FOUNDER}

Wa
AND MOST OF THE INFLUENTIAL FOUNDERS IN NIGERIAN TECH

MOST OF YOU NEED TO GO THERE[/quote]Why must they assume ALLIANCE SILICON AFRICA? Is it to feel equal with Silicon Valley?

Blacks in the 1913 amalgamation called Nigeria are super-talented, especially those in the south. This I know for good. Unfortunately, mediocres and those without talent, ingenuity or the ability to think-deep gets into the limelight, why? so many reason.

Dis Guy: Nigerians are not curious enough and even if they are; they get shot down-

most parents/teachers/lecturers don't like any rugrat thinking outside the box! you get 'konk' on ya head for asking too many questions...god save you if you try to have a debate with your lecturer in class!or use the computer for something else- you go pay for damages!

Word, and that's why I refuse to attend any Nigerian university/college.

Dis Guy: think about it, left handed kids get beaten... apparently its not normal

I know 3 people who have done this and have it done to. They cite their Pastors says it satanic to be left handed.

[quote author=A-town]This is not jazz. They use chemicals/substances that have acetone/chloroform etc. A small dose will knock anyone off. Ever watched Prison break? I know a lot of guys who used to fight in secondary school claiming they had "oruka", "ring" that it was jazz. All they had was a lethal dose of substances rubbed on it. No jazz[/quote]So if your speculation is true, then can you explain how the small dose of your guessed substance used did managed to get into the blood stream by just mere hitting?. Please give me speculation on how would someone unknown get hit and immediately starts doing whatever instruction metaphysically configured into an energized 'oruka' (ring), to give a real life scenario of what I am talking about, here is one: I and a friend witness an incident in an afternoon of a JAMB exam day, very long time ago and one of these 'omo-itas' started causing their usual trouble yelling and chasing every Jamb students waiting outside to move away from that particular field but there was this JAMB guy who defied him by insisting to stay where he is, this omo ita guy who seem to be there oga removed an axe from the back of his shirt and struck him thrice, nothing happened to him. The surprised omo-ita was calling on his other gangs to come. All we saw was that this JAMB dude hit the omo-ita, shifted back and said something (supposedly some incantation) and the omo-ita guy immediately began to pick rubbish like pure waters sachets and all types of dirts all over the field, collecting them all into the center of the field. The guy was begged by multitude of crowds and old-women to free the omo-ita from what the white people like to call 'spell'. If you can explain that, there are many more I would like you to explain for me which means I no longer need to further the book I am writing about all these Yoruba Advanced Sciences erroneously called juju. You will explain how an Igbo masquerade vanished in front of many witnesses in broad day light and re-appeared in the front without any stupid Ninja tricks. That day, I just like everyone were so stunned that today I now understand why it could never occur to any witness or observer to shoot the incident with a camera for doubting Thomas like you to see on YouTube.


[quote author=A-town]Guy trust me, if I was in naija, I would personally take up your challenge. If it is a real proposal though, I am willing to drop the 100,000 bucks to get it recorded on a HI-DEF cam.!! All I need is commitment and I will drop it.[/quote]It's not a proposal, it's a challenge, and I am dead serious. Thing is even if you don't follow through, I have made it upon myself to video-shoot this things whenever I have money because all the claims I shall be making in the book I writing would at least need one or two evidential proof. So it doesn't matter if you really take it up or not when you get back. But I would really like you to. Again:

1. A vehicle immediately tested to be working would afterwards be rendered immovable by a YAS. African immobilizer
2. An item such a bag or a suit/briefcase would be affected with YAS such that no one including you can carry it, except for the person incantated to lift. (This particular YAS is done for peeps who sought out metaphysical means of protecting their money-filled suitcase).
3. You will see a YAS-rendered individual vanish in front of you like you have probably seen in Harry Potter cloaking or in Crysis but much more accurate.
4. You will bring forth a native fowl wherein after some rites and stuff, you will see it burned alive and at the same observe the same fowl walking towards the demonstrator from another path. Time travel stuff heh
5. You will be handed a machete to cut a meat where you shall observe the meat pierced then afterward apply the same machete on a YAS enabled individual wherein you will observe his skin impervious to the cut. Superman stuff, heh!
6. You will bring forth a goat where you will be handed a hunter or local vigilante rifle to fire an agreed upon object like a stack of bottles or water-filled keg in order to confirm the effect of the bullet impact as everyone would expected afterwards your aim is directed towards the blast-frightened goat which you are free to shoot as much as you like.

[quote author=A-town]This is not jazz. They use chemicals/substances that have acetone/chloroform etc. A small dose will knock anyone off. Ever watched Prison break? I know a lot of guys who used to fight in secondary school claiming they had "oruka", "ring" that it was jazz. All they had was a lethal dose of substances rubbed on it. No jazz[/quote]So if your speculation is true, then can you explain how the small dose of your guessed substance used did managed to get into the blood stream by just mere hitting?. Please give me speculation on how would someone unknown get hit and immediately starts doing whatever instruction metaphysically configured into an energized 'oruka' (ring), to give a real life scenario of what I am talking about, here is one: I and a friend witness an incident in an afternoon of a JAMB exam day, very long time ago and one of these 'omo-itas' started causing their usual trouble yelling and chasing every Jamb students waiting outside to move away from that particular field but there was this JAMB guy who defied him by insisting to stay where he is, this omo ita guy who seem to be there oga removed an axe from the back of his shirt and struck him thrice, nothing happened to him. The surprised omo-ita was calling on his other gangs to come. All we saw was that this JAMB dude hit the omo-ita, shifted back and said something (supposedly some incantation) and the omo-ita guy immediately began to pick rubbish like pure waters sachets and all types of dirts all over the field, collecting them all into the center of the field. The guy was begged by multitude of crowds and old-women to free the omo-ita from what the white people like to call 'spell'. If you can explain that, there are many more I would like you to explain for me which means I no longer need to further the book I am writing about all these Yoruba Advanced Sciences erroneously called juju. You will explain how an Igbo masquerade vanished in front of many witnesses in broad day light and re-appeared in the front without any stupid Ninja tricks. That day, I just like everyone were so stunned that today I now understand why it could never occur to any witness or observer to shoot the incident with a camera for doubting Thomas like you to see on YouTube.

Delafruita: i an irreligious but i can tell you for a fact that there exist metaphysical powers in this part of the land.OPC use bullet repelling juju,drivers use some sort of ring that makes them vanish in accidents and so many more.just a case in had,pa abraham adesanya was targeted by the abacha administration,his car was trailed by the strike force led by rogers,the car was riddled with bullets from submachine guns but guess what,Pa adesanya took the bullet-ridden car to make a report at the police station without a scratch on him.we're not talking one b ullet from a colt,we're talking abacha's strike force.

even though i am not a believer in either yahweh or allah,the only reason i cant call my self an atheist is because i see this occurences and it amazes me.i personally know people who did money rituals.many of them use internet scam as a cover.some others have shops and use that as a cover.i guess as was said by the op...seeing is believing.i have seen this things in action and am still amazed

Abrahamic religions are bullshits because the supernatural claims in them are unprovable and undemonstratable, ours are for real and we never claimed nor proselytized it.

kwangi: ^^
How easy is it for you getting people to understand that "...there exists native metaphysical knowledge by whose means feats and exploits which are beyond what mordern science and tech can possibly achieve or obtain in hundred or more years to come"?

Considering the inferiority complex state of mind of the African?

^This is what I mean.
I hope say u don get am now?

Loud and clear bro.

FOLYKAZE: Oh my god, im missing somethiing here. Im an Atheist and wont call those stuff you listed there as supernatural. Yes I believe in them but It more like natural wonders or better put, everything in the nature is super. Only those with it knowledge should be moved.

Yeah I also don't like calling them 'supernatural' nor considering them 'spiritual', an appropriate term would rather be Yoruba/Igbo/African Advanced Sciences depending on it locale, just to distinguish it from the white man's empirical based sciences.

The moment you start believing in this stuff then you are no more an atheist. You don't need to cite the logic that because you don't know
how an infra red remote control works or how an airplane flies doesn't mean there's a spaghetti deity behind it. All this seemingly supernatural powers are intrinsically part of our Ancestral Belief System which falls under theism, and also because the fundamental principles underlying all esoteric knowledge regarding the dynamics and applicability of these powers are from our ancients primordials; IRUNMOLEs, EGUNGUN and ORISHAs. Bilee daat.

No matter what you say here, some people will try to wave your whole point away. That is the reason I dont argue or debate it. If anybody want the proof of anything, the door is open for them to explore or reach out for proving it out by themselves. I know there are people out there that lie and deceive people on juju but I personally have seen things myself that really convinced me that yeah.....it is real.

FOLYKAZE: There is one juju called ATAGBA. I dont know it english. It a form of shooting anybody even though you guys are not in the same place. It not gun but involve arrow and any other thing be it nail, broom, bone or cowries which can hit your target and cause internal damages. I have seen cases and report of those attacked with it but still find out for myself how it done. I got a friend to try it alongside with me......believe it or not, we used a tree and it dry up with two shots.

I have heard of something similar to this ATAGBA, thing is all these stuff exist in hundreds of sub-variants. The one I have confirmed is called 'ETA' which is like an bullet-like stuff aimed at a particular target such that when fired, will remotely travel any distance to hit target. There's the physical variant of it whereby when pelted at a target, start eating through the skin until it comes out at the opposite end, marking an 'exit wound'. The skin-eating process isn't immediately, it takes days before it eats it way through, giving the victim time to seek it remedy while he suffers in pain. How I confirmed this is when I saw someone suffering from it brought to a church and to no avail after prayer and rites, the victim insisted he'd be taken anywhere except a Babalawo's place where most assured him he would definitely get remedy. Eta which is a charged/energized Atare metaphysically empowered for offensive/attack by which the defensive
'Ayeta' is meant to deflect. Ota on the other hand is the Yoruba word for 'pellet' and 'bullet' which Ayeta can also be employed to deflect
it flight-path. The true anti-bullet/pellet is OKIBON, it ricochets bullets/pellets off the skin whilst feeling the impact. If you know more, tell me more.

FOLYKAZE: We have case of MAGUN....the countermate of AID. AID is sexually transmitted diseases but MAGUN is sexually immediate live terminator. I have not test it out myself because nobody is going to voluntary hold himself for the test but I have seen person attacked with it.

In as much as I would have love to discuss MAGUN, I am running on generator for the past 1 week, no electricity. I can't start to expatiate on the complex topic of MAGUN, maybe later.

kwangi: Getting Africans to understand this truth is where the problem lies.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

[quote author=A-town]I think it is logical to say I wont believe it unless I see proof. If something exists and it doesn't want people to know "it" exists, then for all practical purposes, it doesn't exist.
I challenge any of the guys with original bulletproof to do a YOUTUBE video.
I expect them to say that it won't work because it is one of the "eewo" of the charm. Scare tactics my bro. Disappearing is a LIE, Humans changing to cats is a lie, "Ayeta" is a lie.[/quote]A-Town my typings as a respond to you would be considered cheap, if you or mazaje or Billyonaire or my dear Logicboy are serious about clearing your doubt on the efficacy of Yoruba Advanced Science erroneously known as Juju...offer a wager of N100,000 and any of the following shall be demonstrated:

1. A vehicle immediately tested to be working would afterwards be rendered immovable by a YAS. African immobilizer
2. An item such a bag or a suit/briefcase would be affected with YAS such that no one including you can carry it, except for the person incantated to lift. (This particular YAS is done for peeps who sought out metaphysical means of protecting their money-filled suitcase).
3. You will see a YAS-rendered individual vanish in front of you like you have probably seen in Harry Potter cloaking or in Crysis but much more accurate.
4. You will bring forth a native fowl wherein after some rites and stuff, you will see it burned alive and at the same observe the same fowl walking towards the demonstrator from another path. Time travel stuff heh
5. You will be handed a machete to cut a meat where you shall observe the meat pierced then afterward apply the same machete on a YAS enabled individual wherein you will observe his skin impervious to the cut. Superman stuff, heh!
6. You will bring forth a goat where you will be handed a hunter or local vigilante rifle to fire an agreed upon object like a stack of bottles or water-filled keg in order to confirm the effect of the bullet impact as everyone would expected afterwards your aim is directed towards the blast-frightened goat which you are free to shoot as much as you like.

If any of you atheists/skeptics are to take up any of the above listed challenge-wager, you're advised to bring along a camcorder. I
recommend an high-definition type with the latest CMOS sensor technology, latest image stabilization technology and a digital vibrance control. I will also appreciate the presence of one or two Police officers too for security purpose.

[quote author=A-town]To answer your question about money rituals, my answer is NO. I do not believe in that farce. Mention one person who has no business and just has money from no source. If you find one, he/she is probably an armed robber that steals money at night. No juju there.[/quote]To understand what is actually meant by money ritual, check here: https://www.nairaland.com/1270001/unvarnished-truth-money-ritual
and believe me, that thread is just a tip of the true entirety relating to the metaphysical means of acquiring money through various esoteric means of the Yorubas. It's deep and complex but it's likewise real and direly consequential.

[quote author=A-town]Trust me shooting a moving target is not as easy as it appears to be in the movies. How many of the "stories" reported have been at "point blank range"[/quote]In 2002, during one of those then clashes at Mushin, I, among many passer-by saw several Nigerian Police who were shooting at and at the same time retreating from a handful of OPC members walking towards them with white handkerchief that seem to be deflecting those bullets. My bro, if you saw it, you would know for real that it isn't as hard as you think to aim a shot especially from an assault rifle those Police wielding - AK47. My experience is one of many episodes of a period before our Police starts tying red-handkerchief to neutralize that particular anti-bullet science.
[quote author=A-town]I actually like your way of tackling things since it seems we may be able to educate each other through a proper debate.
I know there are things out there that remain unexplainable.[/quote]I strongly believe that everything is explainable but not all can be explainable with the empirical based science of the white people.

[quote author=A-town]My only problem is that most of them are lies that have been perpetuated for ages. The reason i can confidently say they are lies is because it is part of AFRICAN history.[/quote]NOT EVERYTHING IS LIE. Go out there and seek out things for yourself.

[quote author=A-town]Our archaic forefathers used FEAR and DECEPTION as a means of keeping people in check.[/quote]Going by your logic, if by using fear and deception to keep people in check makes our forefathers archaic, then what check-keeping standard could they have done to make them appear non-archaic as the then Europeans/Arabs? I'm sure you see nothing wrong about the Euro-american culture of using scarecrow to frighten birds away including certain fables/myths surrounding it or about the boogeyman myths and the tooth-fairy tales to keep their children in check, or even the celebration of The Day of The Dead repackaged as Halloween, if these were to be Yoruban or Igbo culture you'd think it barbaric and archaic, won't you? YOU ARE WRONG. THEY AREN'T ARCHAIC. GIVE ME DETAILS ON HOW THEY USED FEAR AND DECEPTION TO KEEP PEOPLE IN CHECK, NOTE: DON'T GIVE ME ANY SUPERSTITIOUS NONSENSE.

[quote author=A-town]With regards, to "disaapearing", are you aware that it is not peculiar to naija alone. This lie/myth has been in existence for ages. Ever heard of the NINJAs in Asia? The only difference is that they eventually came out and explained the "smoke" that always came up anytime they tried to disappear which was just a side attraction to give the NINJA enough time to run away.[/quote]You're even wrong to think it is not peculiar to Nigeria alone. Before the creation of Nigeria in 1914, the supernatural means of disappearing is peculiar to the esoterics among hundreds of various tribes in west Africa particularly the Yorubas and Igbos who have articulated and preserved the metaphysical knowledge of doing among several others. And yes, I know about the Ninjitsu type, the Ninja disappearing act is a mere theatrical to secure his swift escape by enshrouding his attackers in a veil of cough-inducing smoke which is different from the ones I am averring here.

[quote author=A-town]On the otherhand, our dearest nigerians will take it to the grave and claim it's some supernatural power when we all know better.[/quote]Despite the truth behind a reason of some of our forefathers who have taken powerful supernatural knowledges to the grave such as the Kanoko(shortening of long distance), I can still tell you that their still exist some who have been able to document and preserve them, handing then over to trusted apprentice and worthy children for various reason and as such, I can tell you that the invisible YAS still does exist.

[quote author=A-town]There are people who still believe in a lot of archaic fallacies simple because they don't know better. As an example, there used to be a time in certain area of Ogun state when people were faced a certain illness. Back then they claimed it was an evil spirit and that if you didn't have a certain "leaf" posted on your door, you could wake up paralyzed or blind or develop some illness. What the people did not know was that it was simply an airborne parasite causing problems at the time. I have a lot more but i'll give you a chance to counter. I would still like to see on VIDEO, somebody being shot point blank range and see how the bullet will refuse to penetrate the skin[/quote]I can not waste time debating with you many things you obviously have gotten wrong. I still have a long, long way to go in my researches and quest to find out the truth, but many like you have the longest way to go. I am not trying to downgrade you whatsoever, but there are some things you don't know at all about that Ogun incident,

[quote author=black_beau]Yes,I believe it works.I'm even searching for bomb proof now[/quote]The bomb proof does exist, I know many will find it hard to believe. But I have confirmed it too, but hard to test.

funtanherb: jayriginal
You only need to ask yourself how the white men overpowered our forefathers to realise that the so called bullet proof story is a myth.

25Calibre: This is what happens when you put your trust in fetish nonsense.

You're so, so wrong. The Nigerian boxer never employed nor relied on Jazz, and if you're so convinced he did but failed him, then I am offering you a challenge to bring forth yourself to an agreed upon place with your friend video-shooting the whole thing wherein a jazz guy with an jazz called 'aluwo' will smack you, note: he won't punch or hard hit you. He's just going to smack you, like a not too heavy patting. Depending on the ones you chose below, I assure you will experience a first hand experience of one of the smallest type of Yoruba Advanced Science erroneously called JUJU
1. Smack you and you shall fall repeatedly.
2. Smack you and you shall fall feeling so weak and tired, you will be unable to stand up.
3. Smack you and you and you...,well depending on any you prefer, such as:
a. Will keep running unless you're giving water to quench an unexplainable thirst that possesses you after the smack.
b. Will keep stooling unless certain thing is done to stop it.
c. Will keep behaving slowpoke-like unless you're either giving palm-oil or a pregnant lady urinates on you.

I'm serious, if you're, let me know.

funtanherb: Lets clear this doubt .....Any Yoruba Man out there should get OWO EYO(COWARIES)AJOKU ISU AND ALLEGATOR PEPPER(ATARE) THOSE 2 THINGS SHOULD BE BURN,POUR IT INTO A BOWL OF WATER AND ADD PUT PISTLE INSIDE THE WATER AND POUR THE COWRIES INSIDE THE WATER AND THE PISTLE WILL MAGNET THE COWARIES TO THE TOP....Why does cowries magnet to the top of the pistle...AFRICA SCIENCE I GUESS

Thank you Funtanherb, our people need to be enlightened a great deal about the benevolent and malevolent capabilities of our Sciences. They have been so deceived by Euro-arab religion and knowledge, and as I have always proclaimed, African sciences particularly the Yoruba Advanced Sciences also known as Isegun which is extracted from Ifa is eons beyond any which the white man's science could possibly discover or harness given their empirical based science.

This is where I insert my self as a researcher, and I believe there are others out there who have this penchant of figuring a way in which our these esoteric legacies from our superscientist aka forefather/ancestors/babalawos/oniseguns/ can be adapted to modernized usage. Ifa is not only about Isegun; it encompasses all knowledge relating to every aspect of the human creature and non-human things. I'm sure Funtanherb is aware of a Yoruba Advanced Science wherein a yam can be cooked in any pot without water to boil it, how can the white man's science explain that. How can they explain the stimulation of rain or hampering of it, can they tell us how our YAS can suspend object in thing air, thus defying their stupid theory and laws of gravity. We know the true-name of many forces of nature known and yet unknown to their empirical based science.

Opey4luv: As a scientist, I have been trying to find a scientific explanation for this but unfortunately, I have not arrived at a reasonable conclusion.

The fact is, it exist and I partially Believe in it.

You're not alone, until you contact me, go through all my posts in the past, and you have some insight.

shollaire: The logic is more like someone who take weed/coke to the point of madness, and their body become strong like stone; twenty people can hardly restrain such person. Now think how much more if such substance where transfer into the blood stream through incision? The problem is that the effect wear-off without warning and even when it's still potent it only make your skin harder to some extent, it doesn't turn you to an Iron-man.

I like your speculation but you aren't close to what I'm sure is going on regarding the nature of their workings.

From another thread I'm still reading:

omonuan: If your bullet proof works, you won't be here hawking it. You'll have sold the technology to world military. The shame is that none of the shysters that propagate this none sense has offered any reason why Africa has not used this bullet proof to conquer the world before it was passed on to them.

No one is hawking it on NL, we are testifying to it and No! it is not for SALE, and even if it is, the technology is metaphysical in nature hence it won't be sellable without an underlying working explanation wherein a formula can be derived so it can be replicated. Also not they're they're esoteric and not exoteric.

A-Town, I do hope you are capable of sustaining this debate.

First of all, let me address your quotes:
[quote author=A-town]If it is real and does work, why is it always in secrecy.[/quote]Because they are esoteric knowledges and not exoteric ones like how to conduct electrolysis or boil an egg.

[quote author=A-town]All you hear is rants from people like, "i was there live" when you know they were lying.[/quote]Yeah you're right, but that's not all the time true, because not everyone attesting to it can be delusional or be suffering from mass hysteria. It is definitely true that some who seem to be the most tend to exaggerate some of this things which they just heard from someone who in turn heard it from another who actually did experienced or did it. Thus, it behooves on you, provided you are a scientific and curious minded person like me to investigate and find out what actually there is regarding these claims, rather than just condemning and doubting any African supernatural claims like so many members of Nairalander do. Those Nairalander are incapable of mustering up the courage to take a skeptic look at the supernatural claims in the books of the Abrahamic religions.


[quote author=A-town]In this modern day, why can't we have video proof. People claim they were there when a certain person was being shot at and the bullets didn't penetrate. Do you know how hard it is to shoot and aim a target if you are not a marksman? How many of these people actually saw bullets being repelled from the "so-called" bulletproof mans body. I put it to you that most of the shots were missed.[/quote]No one needs to be a marksman/sniper to shoot any sort of target, you know this for good otherwise all those homicide and college/public shooting in abroad is a lie.

You have to agree that even a sporadic spray-shot at someone would have at least one hit.

About video proof, it is yet to be imbibed in the culture of Nigerians to shoot anything bewildering at the same time you have to consider that it doesn't come easily to their mind to pick your camera phone

still reading the topic...coming back to post my reply

However, click on this nairaland thread to get some insight about the dynamics of our African Advanced Sciences

Fourcade: Rock threads beaucoup for this first page now

Is so cold the only track you've got from B.benjamin? They have so many hit songs cooler than so cold! I love the intro btw!
No, it's the only one I found remarkable unless you know of any other I mightn't listened to.

Fourcade: What about Stricken- Disturbed…it's hard rock i think

Is Stricken a Disturbed track or just another hard rock band?

Fourcade: Your TDG and A7x tracks are on point

Really?

Mine are:

Nirvana
Smells Like Teen Spirit only, the rest na noise.

Linkin Park
90% of all tracks in Hybrid Theory, Reanimation & Meteora are the best

Adema
Giving In, [The Way You Like It, Planets, Cold and Jaded

Foo Fighter
Pretenders only, the test na noise.

Three Days Grace
Home, Animal I've Become, Pain, Never Too Late, I Hate Every Thing About You

Breaking Benjamin
So Cold is the only track of theirs I like.

A Perfect Circle
Outsider (Apocalypse Remix), Weak and Powerless

Avenged Sevenfold
After life, Brompton Cocktail, Almost Easy, Nightmare, Seize The Day, Scream, Unbound The Wild Ride, A Little Piece of Heaven and Gunslinger.

CrossFade
So Cold, Colors

Rammstein
Ich Will

Cavalera Conspiracy
Killing Inside

Lacuna Coil
Secret, Heaven's A Lie, Swamped

Within Temptation
*can't remember for now*

Evanescence
Most of 'Fallen' and some of 'The Open Doors' album

Disturbed
Down With The Sickness, Forsaken, Inside The Fire,

Static-X
Cold, Not Meant For Me, Destroyer

New Alfa: making things disappear is not science. It is just a magic trick that all nations on earth have been performing for centuries. Oyibo dey even organise their own disappearance tricks in theaters and circuses.

You're right indeed since I didn't mention 'disappear', I meant 'invisible'. Even, if to disappear is to be invisible to the eyes, it would still involve technology derived through the application of science; rectilinear propagation of light etc. To make an elephant disappear on stage involves a technique known as 'smoke and mirror', smoke is to momentarily shroud the elephant while the mirror is quickly released to display a reflected angle that has the same backdrop wherein the elephant was against before the smoke was released. While the audience are plunged in amusement, the elephant is taken off stage and brought back in the front entrance to give the impression of disappearing and reappearing and it's called 'vanishing act'. This sort and other types like it are under what is called 'stage tricks' occasioned for the entertainment purposes, which is not what I am discussing here, I am referring to practical types where one doesn't need to employ tricks or deception. There are two types in my opinion. One is to conceive a device that is capable of generating a force field such that photons can warp through it in order to simulate transparency, alternatively another is to conceive a specialized outfit capable of adapting to it surrounding through the re-projection of stored visuals with the aid of an hi-tech processor. These two, despite their limitations and weaknesses are technological, and technology is the application of science. The other which I am pointing at is a type that would seem supernatural to most people but is actually an advanced form of science otherwise considered metaphysical.

New Alfa: Our useless Africans just dey use their own terrorize their neighbours.

Please enlighten me on how what you call 'useless Africans' employ theirs to terrorize their neighbours.

Diasporan: When they came in droves to colonize us and drag our fore-fathers into slavery by brainwashing the Elders of communities and deceived them with mirror,sugar,nasty Elizabethan clothes and religion they never gave themselves that advice.

Point of correction: They never introduced mirror to us, speaking for the Yorubas, we already had 'jigi' (reflective plane for self-admiration and certain supernatural purposes). We could taste the sweetness of sugar from Ireke(sugar-cane) without needing to synthesize it into a dry form. We had numerous types of Aso (clothes).

https://www.nairaland.com/1394890/real-hero-here#17394239

Note: The point of this juxtaposition is to aver that both in Yorubaland and Igboland does exists native metaphysical knowledges by whose means feats and exploits which are beyond what modern science and tech can possibly achieve or obtain in hundred or more years to come. I am annoyed by the general view of my people who happen to constitute the majority here in Nigeria, instilled with the dogmatic perception that nothing good can be obtain from the priceless legacy I am proud to call Native Advanced Sciences inherited from our ancestors.


Excerpt extracted from my yet to be published book: "Why I Am Not Yet An Atheist: Enter YAS'

"...the militaries of the western world have been trying to achieve for themselves the capability to render their soldiers 'invisible', fancy tech, isn't it? They've spent billions of dollars on this particular research project, and so far the best they could come up with is what they gladly termed 'Adaptive Camo'. Despite the several weaknesses of the technology behind the adaptive camo, they will never give up in their attempt to perfect it, so as to generate what I call 'Lagless Absolute Invisibility' which is when it can be deployable for it intended purposes such as spec ops and wet works. My curiosity and quest for the veracity of the efficacies of native esoteric knowledges and claimed possibilities has led me to confirm the credibility of the not-at-all popular means of achieving invisibility, thus reinforcing the validity of my presumptive coinage-Yoruba Advanced Sciences or Igbo Advanced Sciences both of which are still known erroneously as 'Juju'. In regards to Yoruba esoteric, I can tell anyone that it is TRUE and REAL concerning the 'Afẹri', Afẹris the true native name for 'invisibility' or 'cloaking', while Ọfẹ is the act, as in "O dọfẹ". However, since my interest lies in arriving at a possible theory as to how these YASes can be scientifically understood and derived, though something tells me that even if it is explicable, it still will be speculative at best, which I shall explain later. However a working theory would most probably have some relationship with pharmacogenomics and pharmacodynamics of our native plants and herbs in terms of their metaphysical properties activated by certain self-defined incantatory sound energy or what I prefer to describe as the ‘unawaken uberforce’ called 'aṣẹ' in Yoruba language, It literary translate to 'unseeable'. Furthermore, I previously thought I figured the more reason why many of the esoteric knowledges behind the method by which seemingly supernatural feats such as the ability to be, or for something to be invisible is closely guarded but..."


In regards to the above, many black Christians, Muslims and atheists here in Nigeria would prefer not to have anything to do with such interest given the assumption that such 'devilish powers' can only come from Satan except for the atheists and skeptics who are predispose to regard such matter as irrational since it has no scientific footing. But suppose for instance, that a western scientist or a curious Indian researcher, or a Jewish visitor or an Arab tourist somehow got hold of the formula behind this 'Afẹri', returned to his country and did heavy research on it and was somehow able to develop it into a module or device, patented it and sold it to a manufacturing company such as Motorola Technologies or Hughes Industries, some years thereafter, the tech became known around the world licensable to anyone under the trade name 'InvisDucer', I am sure the Nigerian people would welcome it as another noble creation that only the white people can develop, after all they are next thing after God and Jesus.

I know some people who still believe that it must have taken some sort of juju for an airplane to fly in the sky. There was one in particular who not only believed that juju is the only possible explanation behind the flight of any air vessel but also that it is only through the application of juju that the ear piece do work. Aside from the unreliability and weaknesses expressed about the efficacy of a particular ‘Yoruban juju’ [which is still debatable] from this particular buddy of mine, he just like the rest of those who fervently believes it must have taken helicopters, jets and aeroplanes to move about in the sky is that they are ever eager to call it the ‘white man’s juju’.

For those Nairaland atheists and skeptics who still don't believe in the efficacy of African Supernatural Powers but may rather be delighted to pay attention at any fictitious gobbledygook such as Superman, Incredible Hulk and Transformers, I hope this fair comparison is enough to get your mind creased.

Ryabcool:
aptly put. Confirm makeup artist

You always come online on NL but wouldn't reply my PM

None of your number is working

Guy what's up with you?

Abeg get in touch ASAP

OlaoChi:
Isn't it Better if Africans revert to their own Way of Worshipping God and Honoring the Universe than letting these foreign Religions that brainwash and turn us to Man Servants.

I would soon devote myself to Ogun, I heard he is the patron of politics
I wonder why Yoruba politicians don't swear by Iron If they know that Oyinbo God no get power pass Our own God

They won't dare swear oaths under Ogun for the other two Abrahamic religions facilitates easy looting in government. You many find my piece on Sango interesting.

OlaoChi:
Exactly
Religion has brought nothing but division and hatred amongst The nations of Africa
Religion is really drawing us backward

#SAY NO TO RELIGION

Hell yeah it has and still fuels that division and hatred amongst Afrikans. Why don't we start an anti-non-Afrikan religion cause on Facebook and Twitter ?

PointB: How many times have Patience Ebele Jonathan - the victim of these unprovoked attacks- responded to Wole Soyinka ungentlemanly, immature, chauvinistic derision?

[size=15pt] The answer is zero times and it's probably because she's now aware of the keen listeners out there waiting to laugh at whatever [usually incorrect] grammar she dare utter to say as a response to the Professor[/size]

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Nosyke: ^^
You must be sick in the head. Why must you use such st*pid large fonts?

I didn't use any large fonts, I only sized up Nairaland default font because of the need to emphasise the potency of what I call YAS eAkA juju, and I'm not sick in the head.

[size=30pt]Let no human in this world feel himself/herself absolutely safe under humans or tools made by humans[/size]

[size=19pt]If anyone/group is bent or determined on eliminating any target, nothing can stop him/her/them.

Another thing a whole lot of people don't know is that there exist non-physical means of eliminating a target, there are remote means which are basically supernatural applied from esoteric channel.

Therefore the best form of defense is through YAS (Yoruba Advanced Sciences), the appropriate term for the misnomer; JUJU.

I recommend the following for Benjamin Netanyahu whom Jeovah can't save from napalms, for Abdullah of Saudi Arabia whom Allah can't protect from Reaper drones, the Pope whom the pop-mobile can't shield against an incoming a 8.59mm bullet from a .338 L115A3 sniper rifle and President Barrack Obama whom even their best elite-forces aren't prepared to forestall an 'Ajagan' (a super-energized sigidi entity disturbed through ancient commands to kill a given target before it can rest).

Recommended YAS:
Ayẹta (anti-BULLETs)
Ayẹgbo (anti-Bomb)
Ayẹna (anti-Fire)
Ifa-protection (against Ajagan and other kinds of remote means of elimination)[/size]

obadiah777: THE ONES YOU GUYS DO IN AFRICA IS NOT JUJU. THE ONES YOU GUYS DO IN AFRICA IS A DELUSION. ITS ALL SMOKES AND MIRRORS

My brother if you're so sure about that, why don't you visit any public shrine in the east or west with the same attitude and thinking.

logica: You never halla...welcome to "The land of the Free".

The home of the brave, the trailblazers.