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Zahra29:
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UK is friendlier than most, but at the end of the day they can't guarantee everyone that comes here on a student visa a work permit /leave to remain afterwards, especially in the career of their choosing.

and they are not forced to do care either, very good

Resurgent2016:
what they do not realise is many in healthcare pay less taxes because they earn less, pay no NHS (because they claim a refund) and have some generous benefits from the government. I suspect it is the kind of nationalist thinking that led them to brexit.

In addition while immigrants in nhs have no restrictions on bringing their spouses and families at any salary amount, the Brits working in nhs cannot bring in foreign spouses except they earn 38,700k so who do we blame now.

Goodenoch:
One amusing thing about you is how you always accuse people of being emotional but it's your response that never contain any facts or statistics, and instead are heavy on hearsay and random gossip.

Someone has shared official stats to show you work visas have hugely increased. You're still insisting not many visas are given.

Now I've outlined the very high barriers to foreigners working in Nigeria, you're bringing in random name-calling. How is that relevant? The point is that all countries are protectionist about their local workforce - even ones that aren't as globally desirable, so why are you acting shocked that the most desirable ones are putting similar restrictions in place?

In fact the UK's restrictions are substantially less than Nigeria's, so the key question is why are you constantly attacking the UK as if they are doing something unheard of?

it's from that official stats I have been making my points, the work visas that have hugely increased were given to whom?

common guys we can do better than all these, if you guys feel the UK is very generous oh congratulations then people should not complain again. So it's me that is attacking the UK now All is well and good. Wishing everyone God's speed in this land.

Goodenoch:
Why can't you see that the bolded is the same thing Zahra29 was saying about how it leads to undercutting of the indigenous labour force, which is the government's primary constituency? If migrants are consistently willing to accept lower salaries, the companies will pay less and hire those which means salaries for everyone will reduce.

Are you then surprised that there's pushback by the local population?

This thing is not a moral issue like many are trying to make it seem. It's an economic and political issue. The Brits don't want more immigrants. Whether you think they are right or wrong in that is irrelevant. The government has to pander to them.

And besides is it not the same thing in Nigeria? Do you people know all the hoops a foreigner has to go through to work in the country? From the STR visa to the expatriate quota application (which only companies with N100 Million minimum share capital can get) to the CERPAC. Why does the Nigerian government have all those restrictions - does it not want to grow the economy?? /s

The issue about undercutting local labour is false for Christ sake, can’t we all see from the stats shared so far that not many work visas are given.

Except you’re not not an immigrant why fall for this narrative of low pay which is the ignorance the politicians are feeding on from their populace. And as for Nigeria they made it difficult for us here so why can’t Nigeria do the same or don’t we know the law of reciprocity in diplomacy. Nigerian visas is one of the most difficult to get and e get why, call it shithole it’s what it is.

kwakudtraveller:
You should read this detailed report. https://www.lauradevine.com/news/home-office-publishes-latest-immigration-statistics-2/

I believe that we have established that Healthcare visas are the easiest to get hence the reason why people are rushing to it, so ofcause the numbers would be high. But it doesn’t take away from the actual fact that other visas are equally being granted. It’s this misinformation of "companies are not offering sponsorship” that’s causing people to go through the presumed easiest route.

but they are not offering nah, the major ones offering as someone said are the financial consultancies and it's because those ones are very large companies, each of the big four alone has over 20,000 workers in the UK alone so their sponsorship rates are higher but have seen very large engineering firms with several thousands on their payroll that will not sponsor up to 100 in a year and most actually sponsor graduate roles. Nobody is just dashing work visas anyhow in this country and the locals are not in any way threatened at all.

From your link, can you see the number of visas given to Ukrainians, why is no one talking about that?

profemebee:
but i already shared the % of immigrants to population and it is just 1% behind the world's largest economy... 15% to 14%... soooooo

that is why the noise is unwarranted, the rhetoric behind the purported high levels of migration is unnecessary and has no threats whatever as it's being projected. The population of both Asians and blacks in this country is hardly above 11% so what's the threat to the locals as being portrayed? I don't get it and we must be careful if we are indeed migrants not to be hoodwinked by these stats

Resurgent2016:
Not necessarily a cost issue. With 3-5k, you can sponsor a candidate for 3-5 years (amortized, that is 1k per year or thereabout). Most of these candidates would accept an offer at the lower end of the pay band, potentially saving the company up to 10k a year.

If the government is looking to truly improve productivity and drive cost competitiveness in the economy, it should be removing the bottlenecks keeping immigrants out of these sectors. Rather then government threw another spanner into the wheel leaving the field (healthcare and NHS) that is likely responsible for most of the work visas.

I have experienced it firsthand, so its not much about the stats this is the reality on the ground.

See how many immigrants are making waves in innovative sectors in the USA and compare it to the UK. In the UK, you would probably need to be at least in your first generation or have spent decades to have that kind of opportunity.

the stats say the story bruv, folks are just looking at the thousands not minding the GDP size of this country. I laugh in Spanish

profemebee:
How won't it tell the story bro??

You're arguing with stats from uk gov

Not hear say stats.. official stats?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/summary-of-latest-statistics

We should go by hear say? or daddy freeze? or vibes ? or beer parlor gist??

C'mon .. lets be logical

so you think for a country with 5th largest economy in the world, this is much? Jesus, 22,000 decisions on sponsorship licenses, My God!

kwakudtraveller:
I’m lost, this is the data and work visas went up by 95%. So what figures are you comparing it to?

Overview
The Home Office granted 2,836,490 visas in 2022 – 11% fewer or -335,239 than pre-pandemic grants of leave in 2019. The breakdown of categories is as follows:
Visit visas – 49%
Study visas – 22%
Work visas – 15% (267,670, +95% from 2019)
Family visas – 3%
Other reasons – 11%, including Ukraine Schemes and BN(O) route

good you are here, from the stats, can't you see it's student and visit visas that are way more than work visas?

Let me also break down work visas for you, they comprise healthcare visas, skilled worker visas, Global talent visas, post-study visas, and Innovator visas. Both Global Talent, post-study, and innovator visas do not need sponsorship. For healthcare, the majority is care visas.

In the last year outside of healthcare visas, only 66,000 skilled worker visas, and when you factor in again the different categories like the breakdown I did above, how many of your so-called STEM visas do you think are being issued? For healthcare in the last year, just over 114,000 visas were given of which care visas are the majority so please tell me where these STEM visas are being rushed and given. Ghosts?

Zahra29:

Re the bolded, is there more behind why these nurses are working in care homes?
I know a lady who was a qualified doctor in Nigeria. She moved here but could not pass her medical exams, so she had to get work in a care home instead. This was many years ago. However even if she was British she still would not have been able to work as a doctor without passing the relevant exams.

Of course a lot of immigrants are affected when policies change and disrupt their plans. But it's not an agenda against immigrants per se.The bottom line is that the UK in general does not like high levels of migration and will always make moves to limit it.

are they not the ones more qualified to work there than folks with no skill or experience? some also say they earn way more there so are they not at liberty to make such a decision? No country likes high levels of migration but if the UK is a strong advocate of family safeguarding, the current policies negate such which comes as a huge surprise to many. We'll see how it goes sha

kwakudtraveller:
The answer is in the comment 😊

so folks in the UK are not ambitious and don't have a go-getter mindset, with due respect, you're wrong

Resurgent2016:
Sponsorship is harder to get outside health and few sectors dominated by global firms like financial consultancy. Outside these areas sponsorship is very hard and the government still raised the bar higher against these sectors (leaving the health related fields that are easier untouched).

Many do not mind from my experience, but I strongly suspect there are a significant proportion not happy that immigrants from Africa came to justle for experienced professional roles with them, particularly at the mid cadre level.

My employer for instance has the license but rarely offers visa sponsorship. We have roles open for many months which with visa sponsorship you would get someone that would probably do it for less than the amount.

Ideally a business that is looking to drive efficiency and bring down cost should be open to sampling the entire pool of talent, but many UK firms are not really into the immigrant thing for experienced role except when it is very tight for them. Which is why many have the license but would not even consider applicants requiring sponsorship who claim to have the requisite skill.

That is why I keep asking who are they giving visas to which warrants all the noise, that's why when Zahra said easier access to foreign workers, I kept wondering which access.

kwakudtraveller:
This is not entirely true, it’s just a mindset that we have. The UK is always hustling for Doctors and people in STEM. Besides, if you have a specialised skillset as a surgeon, physio therapist etc, they will rush you. Some of these "undesirable" roles are the easiest way to get into their system. I mean, why pay for a Master’s degree when I can get a job as a healthcare assistant?! So it just makes sense as a short term plan to get into the UK. As for your HR, be like say she be small winch.

from the recent immigration stats, it's not true, check the number of visas given, what's the rush there

kwakudtraveller:
There’s a clear distinction between those who Japa to the US versus the UK. You would never see a financial analyst move to the US and settle as a care worker . They always go into their chosen field and they are a lot more ambitious. Nigerians get remote work from companies in the US, talk more of actually living there. And as for those who had zero experience in Nigeria, some just work part time as a healthcare assistant as a way to pay their way through nursing school. They have a go-getter mindset because all the people around them have that same mindset. You would never hear anyone who moved to the states say being a care worker is better than getting a PSW Lol.

Question; why is it so?

Resurgent2016:
The UK system is largely rigged to keep many immigrants, particularly from developing countries working in fields they consider "undesirable" rather than competing with them. I reckon one of the reasons for the anti-immigrant sentiment is political but also immigrants moving into typically non-immigrant fields. Many recent immigrants did not come in as economic migrants per se, they were well-to-do and came to continue their career in the UK.

I have had a situation where HR seemed offended and hesitant to give me a matching pay raise that matched an offer I received elsewhere even when my boss insisted they match it so I stay. My boss had to sit through every negotiation meeting to ensure HR did not scuttle it. Never had any issue with HR and had very limited interaction, can only imagine she was offended my new pay was much higher than many of them particularly since I was an immigrant .

you sef dey find trouble nah you wan collect pass omonile, I get your drift and If we start on that one, many here will misunderstand things so let's just avoid going there.

Meogom:
Update: got a response from council. Just as oga Lexusgs430 said, the ticket has been cancelled. They said though the car was wrongly parked and there is photo evidence, but it's been cancelled because of the enforcement officer's mistake. £35 saved. I promise to go and sin no more.

congratulations, don't forget to sow some prophet seed to oga lexus, prophet sef go do weekend

lightnlife:
@Londyc

Check these ones out;

reachvolunteering.org.uk
charityjobs.co.uk
ncvo.org.uk

Google will give you more.

Thank you very much, I remember that charityjobs well.

Poanan:
See,Goke forget those people cos most times their comments are like " a rich man thinks others are poor because they are lazy"

you see your earlier post touched me and it's what I have been saying on this thread, why will people study MSc in the UK and even end up as a security guard. Sometimes I wonder if people have human feelings here but it's what it is, for as long they are fine, they are more hardworking than others. Some say it's the course they studied but we have seen those who completed their studies genuinely in AI, cybersecurity and other so-called fine courses. Some say it's lack of experience but someone who has gone to study such a relevant course even theoretically already has something to start with. This is why I say for such kinds of people it's time to consider other countries and not rely on the UK alone. If you have a chance to go elsewhere why not at least reduce the net migration here which is what they want. The system is such that not many will have the chance no matter the motivational speaking out there.

Zahra29:
70% of the previous £26k threshold is about £18k . I doubt many graduate roles were offering that - probably more in the region of £25k which is closer to the new £27k discount. Therefore there might not be much of a difference in the hiring patterns for graduate roles despite the new rules as the cost base is likely to be similar.

that 2k extra per head will be a burden to many, and you know what the rhetoric around this immigration thing scares many employers away, not many realise this but it's the truth and also they try to encourage more locals.

Are you also aware that many big companies now are pushing back the start date for new hires? that's the state of the present economy

Zahra29:
If the labour market is ailing, the last thing the government needs is to give foreign workers easier and freer access to it, which risks undercutting local workers (which was one of the issues with EU workers) and putting them out of work. The burden to support the unemployed British falls on the government so it is in their interest to ensure that there are adequate controls in place that give residents priority over foreign workers.
Labour said the same 20 years ago when the then PM,Gordon Brown, adopted the slogan British jobs for British workers.

The sectors that do heavily rely on foreign workers such as NHS clinical staff , care workers, teachers and others on the shortage occupation list are treated differently so they will still be able to hire as much as they need.

there was never easier access Zahra, the problem has always been people getting into the cross-fire of UK immigration even when they are in legally and just doing their work and taking care of their families, the Uk always use the excuse of those fraudulently gaining access and cheap labour to disrupt the lives of those already gaining a foothold in the system and abiding lawfully. The Uk seems to always fail to protect such people. So many Nurses work in care homes and how many of them will get a chance to work in the NHS, that's where the problem lies. It's okay to say they should get lost, no problem. And excuse me, talking about the unemployed British, are we saying there are no jobs at all for them with the purported job vacancies of over a million? It's not that companies are sponsoring so many foreign workers that much to undercut locals, I always find this so boggling.

profemebee:
That's the spirit bro... leave all the hear say and talk.. make we hustle achieve our personal/family/financial/community goals.. and strive irrespective of the government changes we can't control

It is friday.... lets enjoy the weekend

that's the issue with our unique community, it's all down to our personal lives, for as long you are not caught in that crossfire, others can get lost. God help us all

profemebee:
emotional? i'm bringing data and someone is using hear say and Daddy freeze as reference.. but i'm the one being emotional?

lmaoooo

is it not the same data that the Uk govt is crying and sick about? so who is emotional

profemebee:
then tell that to those who started the conversation of comparing to other english speaking western nations

I only reacted to someone saying UK isn't immigration-friendly

Also, you can't compare the average income of USA with the UK...

The cost of living is higher in the States than UK, and people are one sickness away from being financially bankrupt.. because of the healthcare ish we all know

The same way you say people are hooked on HCA jobs is the same way in America, we've seen people who have lived and paid tax in the States for a while have to either find a job in 60days or leave the country when they lose their jobs..

It happened earlier this year and end of last year when Meta, Twitter, Amazon, etc laid off their staff and immigrant workers with H-1B (skilled worker) had 60 days to find another or leave.

They openly sourced for new jobs on twitter and linkedin because they know 60days clock was ticking

Every country has its' own unique policies and systems in place for immigrants.. The struggle is real .. lets keep our heads high and be hopeful

the person you quoted gave valid points that you and some others here fail to see, the UK is more hostile to professionals and it's what it is. All those who lost their jobs in the companies you mentioned were a global thing as the companies also laid off here in the Uk or you think folks are not losing jobs here in the Uk too? But you know what the US created a pathway for those folks to remain and gave them a chance to stay longer than the so-called 60 days to find another job, something the UK will never do. Let's not be emotional, the Uk is more hostile than it's Western allies to immigrants.

Poanan:
My emphasis was on many Nigerians are hooked on HCA jobs. This is what most dependants do and this has been received to be "low quality" by some people in govt. However, no one talks about how difficult it is to get into the formal sectors. Someone i know who finished last year in the U.S already has a job of 200k. His mates in the U.k are counting time in one care home . Before getting that job his first job was in Amazon which he got while still in school, the same thing happeend to the sister of a friend same U.S.
My classmate attended Oxford and already had his CFA, baba stayed for a while before getting a job. May be a year or also. If it was in the U.S that would have been different. I am not saying UK shouldnt put their citizens first but making a direct comparison with the U.s is some what different. We have been told here that it is easier to get UK visa than the U.S visa but that doesn't translate to being migrant friendly. I am not saying they are hostile though.

dem never tell you on this thread that nobody is forced to do care job? they will soon be here

LondyC:
Please what’s the name of the website for the volunteer roles?

so sorry I still can't remember as I have unsubscribed from their mails, still searching my older emails but can't find them. Once I remember hope I do I will post immediately

eniola1010:
I dont think this is real
Graduate salary does not need to be 38k because most graduate job or entry level job arent sponsored job

The rules says ur salary must be 38k above if you are gonna be sponsored, but if you arent being sponsored then the new salary rule does not apply to u, u can even be paid 5k

Unless i am missing something

Yes, you're missing something, Graduate roles are the most easily sponsored and cheapest for employers as they are exempted from the immigration skills charge due to the 'new entrant' rule. In this case, the organisation can still sponsor using the 70% reduction in salary which will come down to 27k still according to the 'new entrant rule' for those on student visas or post-study.

What this means is that Companies especially very large ones have been greatly profiting from this when the salary requirement was 26,200 and still paying less using the 'new entrant rule'. So even to pay 27k right now using the same rule will be deemed too expensive for some employers to sponsor foreign workers. it's what it is!

Zahra29:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/08/uk-employers-limit-hiring-permanent-staff-amid-economic-stresses

UK labour market is showing signs of cooling, which of course is what the bank of England is trying to achieve as one of the mechanisms to reduce inflation.However it might explain why fewer companies are willing to offer sponsorship, or sponsorship straightaway.
Hopefully many employers are just waiting for the new year to resume their hiring plans.

The article also notes that wage growth could strengthen next year if employers found it harder to recruit following the government’s announcement of tougher migration rules this week.

The UK needs to stop behaving as if it's still in the EU where it has access to a large pool of eligible workers, it doesn't exist anymore and it can't continue to pass the burden to companies to sponsor workers, especially in these tough financial climates. It's high time the UK takes a cue from other English-speaking Western nations where it segments different kinds of workforce it truly needs and issues visas that will not be tied to any company. The option of sponsored visas can still be left open but should not be the major option of a work visa. Some people have suggested that work visas can be tied to professional regulatory bodies instead for proper control and monitoring. If you need care workers, clearly state the mandatory qualifications needed and tie the visas to the body regulating them, all this racketeering will be greatly reduced, if you need doctors, nurses, and other critical roles do the same, else the UK will continue to be used by genuine professionals as a transition point to other countries who does this but if that's what the Uk truly wants then that's fine. But the idea of lumping every foreign worker into the same bucket will surely hurt the economy in the long run and scare away genuine persons who can add value to this ailing economy.

profemebee:
Like Zahra stated.. countries are revising policies.. it isn't just the UK.. even Canada

& like i stated ... pray for changes to favor your choice and path for you and your families especially for policies we can't control..and plan accordingly for even the worst scenarios

The first year tuition deposit is the massive change here so at the end only genuine students who are coming in to study will qualify.

That’s how to sanitise a system cos it’s quality they want at the end of the day but our ogas here is the numbers and money they are after. Justwise has mentioned it several times how the uk should rather sanitise instead of flip flopping and making all sorts of unnecessary noise

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-citizens-will-have-fewer-rights-than-migrants-under-new-family-visa-rules-researchers-say-13024220

When you think you’re throwing stones at others it may just land back on your own roof

Ukliving:
Times are tough

So Una see the problem, this organisation may not even know that at 27,090k they can still sponsor that graduate.

The level of ignorance by employers in this country, hmm but when some of us blame govt for flip flop in policies we are seen as people just whining

Thewritingnerd:
So I saw this ig video about “new entrants” into the workforce that are already in the UK i.e Int’l students, only have to meet 70% of the new salary requirements,
Here: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0eyrVLCErR/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

How true is this? 🤔

It’s true but if the organisation can pay 27,090k so those on student visa or post study can have a chance but the question remain how many companies can and how many folks will get the opportunity. Another challenge is many employers are usually not aware especially when immigration rules change so rapidly.

Kenn55:
Ok. So that would be her only option. All other routes like care etc are all gone with this new policy, right?

Not really, if she gets a job that can sponsor her visa at the new salary requirement why not? Even for care just that she can’t bring any dependent.