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hustla:


Well, the crisis is there

Landlords are the one majorly cashing out as they can increase rent now and demand 6 months rent upfront from immigrants

so where is the pressure on housing they talk about, no be cash and carry things?

hustla:
Same on my former street. Empty houses now have occupants and derelict ones have been renovated

For sale and renovations everywhere. In actual fact, they pulled down houses on a massive expanse of land and last time I went to the area, they're almost done

Landlords dey cash out the most

I thought I was the only one observing this trend, they just dey bobo person for this Uk. Housing crisis indeed

Zahra29:
Lol isn't there?

Not dissimilar to every major country/city - Canada, AUS, Portugal, NZ , HK

don't know of other countries o but in this UK, I don't think there is, on the street where I live, I suddenly discovered lots of Nigerians getting accommodation, I told someone it was obvious those houses were empty all these while and it's true in so many places. If folks are not willing to rent out their spaces, do we blame immigrants for that? All of a sudden in my area, lots of renovation going on and I wondered what was happening. The major challenge of immigrants in the Uk getting accommodation was not a lack of houses but landlords unwilling to rent out to students especially. And we can't blame even the landlords too. Funny enough the crisis has a way too of resolving itself somehow. The landlords too have been smiling to the banks.

Zahra29:
The UK also offers faster routes to settlement e.g. 2 yrs only on a golden visa

Empty houses in areas where there are jobs and people want to live in? If there were, there wouldn't be a housing crisis with many residents and migrants alike struggling to find decent, affordable accommodation.

I agree that the UK govt hasn't planned properly and made sufficient upgrades and investments in many of its services and infrastructure.

However it is also true that not all foreign workers bring in the same amount of value and revenue, specifically those on very low incomes. There are studies that determine the average salary an immigrant should be on to be considered a net contributor to the economy. I can't remember the last amount but it was not in the 20s, or even low 30s I think

So you believe there is really a housing crisis in the UK?

hustla:
One thing I have noticed is that they are stuck in their old, appearing-to-work methods and I don't think they will change anytime soon

They do not regard professionals, or maybe there isn't money to pay them. It is the reason why you see Au / Nz adverts for Nurses on Indeed blatantly advertising better pay, working conditions and even weather

The sad thing is that lots of professionals who will thrive in some other sectors will be stuck in care for so long they can't go back to the original professions they trained for, yet you complain of shortage in some sectors. With the shortage skilled list, one will expect a spread of skilled worker visas across different sectors but no it's more of Healthcare visas mainly for care workers. And am wondering what's all the noise about cos I don't know who are they giving visas to. The student visas are already on a downward trend with the removal of dependent visas. So what's the fuss all about?

There's even a particular statistics data I want to see, the number of student-dependent visas, post-study dependent visas and Healthcare dependent visas working in other sectors apart from healthcare. I wan check something cos that stats go sweet gan.

Zahra29:
The irony is that the UK is less hostile now, compared with a decade or 2 decades ago. But immigration is and will always be a sensitive issue (as I keep saying on the forum) , not because they dislike immigrants per se, but the average mindset is that the UK is a small island with finite space and resources/infrastructure, and is not able to cater to an infinite number of people without it having a detrimental effect on services and quality of life.

In the US, an employer has to sponsor a work related greencard, which takes 5 years to naturalise, similar to the UK. Employer sponsorship is needed to control foreigners' access to the labour market and put the interests of citizens first. A company should not need to sponsor work visas if it is able to recruit from the domestic work force, otherwise this would lead to wage suppression - as we can see from job adverts, people on work visas tend to get paid less for doing the same job as a citizen/resident.

The spouse of a British citizen who has lived here all their life also has to wait 5 years to naturalise. (There used to be no time limit but marriage scams led to the tightening up of this route).
It would be unbalanced and unfair for a foreign worker to become settled in a shorter time frame than a British spouse.

For the US it's actually 3 years and above, apart from that there are other pathways to permanent residency even in one year once you have a professional job in the US. There is no comparison to the UK at all. Am afraid the UK does not give much regard to highly skilled professionals like the US does and no one also puts its citizens first like they do.

I have moved around this country and this view that it's a small island is laughable, do you know how many empty houses abound? The same country where they are finding home buyers that are not enough. I can understand all the other sentiments of immigration but this idea of a small island and limited infrastructure resources is never true. What I have observed is that when there's an influx of immigrants, we begin to hear excuses for cheap labour as a way to push back. Folks bringing in revenue to a nation can never be the problem of any nation, the govt has a responsibility to improve whatever deficit or lack they observe in infrastructure cos that's why they collect taxes. You can't expect the infrastructure of the 60s to cater for the now.

Zahra29:
The details definitely need working out, but I think it would be similar to how the new student/dependant visa restrictions will be applied. A new masters student can't bring in existing children from next year, but if they birthed a child while on a student visa then I imagine that child would be eligible to stay under their mothers visa. Interesting to see how it plays out.

In several countries, some categories of workers are not allowed to bring in any dependants and there is no route to settlement. They come and work and make money and then retire back home or elsewhere.

Re the bolded, the route doesn't need to be stopped altogether, but it certainly needs to be tightened significantly.

this is an assumption, am not sure they have thought about this, just hope the UK has not boxed itself into a corner.

lightnlife:
The grass is greener on the other side.

I've heard a couple of unpalatable first & second-hand stories from immigrants in Canada and Australia. Most sound grimmer than the UK experience.

Since COVID hit, the world has been in turmoil and the UK as with other first-world countries are not immune to the realities of that turmoil. Perhaps each country is facing it differently.

Do you know the unemployment rate in Canada and the state of social services and lifestyle? Same with Australia coupled with its tax system.

Agreed, the UK delights in tossing the migration coin at every opportunity but humans are evolutionary and policies are not just switched on and off at will. There are usually time to discuss and decide on them. Immigrants can also be jumping ahead of the unfavourable migration policies and curves or sit back in trepidation of the next migration news or policy.

Immigrants can chose to be reactive to every news piece on migration or just get on with their lives to the fullest whilst they're here. Guess how many immigrants have naturalised in the last ten years? Have the ruling class not been making "bold" migration statements since then?

From where I stand, this is a win-win game for both UK and immigrants. They need us, we need them. Nobody dey force anybody. Either party can flip the coin when they see an alternative. The UK will still be migrant-dependdnt in the next five years - which is a long time for immigrants to establish themselves or re-migrate.

Everyone's end-goal differs and that should ultimately be the motivating factor rather than floating with every news and hinted policy direction. Two of my friends left the UK for the USA this year because na their intent be that. Spoke with one recently and she's complaining about medical insurance. I literally asked her what exactly she wants.

In the long run, na goals matter.

As always, there are no perfect systems/countries there are just better ones. Choice the one you can cope with.

The issue with the Uk's immigration system is that it is skewed toward reducing the number of people who want to settle down permanently and you can't blame people for looking elsewhere when all the music of bringing down net migration begins to play. As it stands today only the Uk among the Western nations requires you to be on a skilled worker visa for 5 years before thinking of becoming a permanent resident.

My main issue has always been why tie people's visas to where they work? Apart from the Global Talent visas what other visas are available for people especially for highly skilled people to obtain and be able to work? The other visa they call high visa or whatever it is called for those who graduated from top 100 universities and it doesn't make sense as folks still need to get a sponsored skilled visa to continue to work in the UK. With all the noise, it's still the healthcare sector that grants more work visas which is for care workers. it's obvious many UK companies do not sponsor skilled worker visas.

People need to plan and move ahead with their lives and if they see the Uk as becoming hostile, they will move elsewhere which is what the UK actually wants to achieve its goal of bringing down net migration.

Zahra29:
You're right, but they have no choice but to exempt care workers because the industry is using foreign workers to keep wages low and only a small proportion of care workers would qualify if they had to meet the new salary threshold.

Apparently they are instead looking at some type of restriction on care dependants, as the stats also show that the number of dependants on the care visa is higher the number of main applicants, primarily from India and Nigeria.

don't you think they are chasing the wind? how can you restrict dependents from accompanying their breadwinners or spouses, student visas are temporary visas so it's understandable to restrict dependents but for workers, it doesn't make sense. I think it's best to just stop the route altogether if bringing down net migration is truly the goal.

Secondly if singles are the ones they want to target for the care workers, won't they get married and settle down to raise families? or once they marry, they become ineligible to continue to work in the UK? The policy looks weird

hustla:
Interesting but you have to put it all together and see where I am coming from as this is not the first time I am speaking about it.

Can you tell me the immigration strategy for the UK? Will it be the same in 5 yrs? Since I have been here, they have changed policies for the worse at least twice. I know a PSW ban in the future isn't off the table because it is their way. Milk the cow and then discard it, per usual

From where I stand and as of now, for students, it looks like they're out to milk us sotey and yet, complains and complains. I can't say its not better than being in Nigeria, it is

If you check what each country has to offer students, the UK comfortably has the worst package and yet, the highest fees to pay for everything. PSW in AU was increased from 3 to 5 yrs, at a cost of about AUD1,800, less than the reported £2,900 for students from next year. Canada's PSW also is about £240

AU and Canada realised students would be battling the effects of this global turmoil you spoke about and asked that students can work more than 20 hrs/ week. UK did not offer or even think of it, instead, Unis increased school fees

I could go on and on but their current strategy exploits students and the least they can do is to stop crying about students every 7 market days as if they do not contribute shingbain to the economy. They want money but they dont want an increase in population, no be juju be that?

There is no perfect country or system but at least some stability is needed

dem no dey give shishi

Zahra29:
They definitely will not scrap PSW in the immediate to short term - that is off the table.

They are looking at other measures instead and as part of this they will raise the salary threshold eligibility for a skilled visa - though not as high as £45k (likely around £33 - £35k) but in any case they will exempt health and social care workers from this salary requirement.

So what’s the difference if they exempt healthcare workers cos from the stats the healthcare sector has the highest number of skilled workers visas.

Newcastle dem no Dey follow Una play? Haba

Chelsea always opening their legs

lavida001:
They want those who have been diagnose and deem fit to work by doctor should go back to work. But we all know they won’t go back to any work. you see this benefit money of 100 quid weekly, they will fight it to the end. No one is taking it from them.

If na you nko you no go fight? That’s their own subsidy from the government

As usual Chelsea can’t close it’s legs

Zahra29:
Ha ha 🙈😂

Well I will concede that the UK is almost in danger of almost heading into almost broke territory lol - if it doesn't course correct soon. For example the tax giveaways would be better off being redirected towards plugging the funding gaps in the public sector.

Election is around the corner, I won't blame them o. That's politicians for you.

jedisco:
Regarding profiling. The issue is that you don't understand the import of your statement. Flip your statement on any other group, say it in public and you're toast.

That Mrs A was convicted and happens to be a Scottish, Nigerian, Muslim, Black e.t.c does not mean that every Scottish or Muslim person should go for mental evaluation and reorientation before they're allowed into 'advanced England'

There are hundreds of thousands of Nigerians in the UK going about their business many of whom are doing well. Why not constantly remind us of their success?
If your goal is really to warn us about crime and not dehumanize, then the there are hundreds of convictions occuring daily in the UK which you could post. A story of a convicted Welsh or Pakistani man should equally send same message.

These things add up and soon become systemic with two examples below.

Please stop replying to my posts, am not interested. Stop picking on me @Justwise please advise him to keep off from me.

triplo3:
BA

Thanks

justwise:
I did not read anywhere they mentioned any item found on him after his arrest. Explosive making material, Video of him glorifying such act. Previous history of such crime, group affiliation, even his name alone will make them question if that guy is in his right senses of mind

Just doesn’t feel right

aah you’re going too far nah, his words alone is what they have used to nail him which they think it’s enough. With height of sensitivity these days to even antisemitic remarks.

Zahra29:
They're talking about cutting benefits (again - benefits has been one of the top issues since Tories got into power 13 years ago) in an attempt to force some of the economically inactive back into work.

In the autumn statement yesterday, Hunt increased benefits and also cut taxes (national insurance) so it's not about lack of money, but rather the perception that many of those not working are too comfortable on their benefits.

Zahra never agrees that the uk is broke 😂

justwise:
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That is my impression here, if that guy was mentally ok and really wanted to bomb the school i don't think he will send a threat first openly before carrying it out. Yes his threat looks dangerous and should be taken seriously but i have never seen or read about a terrorist who alerted his potential victim first before carrying out the act.

Let’s just guess it was frustration and pressure of school that led him to this but with all the rhetoric these days of net migration any loophole will be taken advantage of. Reason we admonish people to be careful, it’s a free democratic society but with lots of unwritten caveats especially for folks on a visa.

Zahra29:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-67509428

Blimey....what on earth got into him

If we talk now, they will accuse us of profiling, Let every man continue as he pleases!

triplo3:
For all those with AMEX cards, don’t forgot to redeem your Avios points for cheap flights. I just saw one now for £50 (plus 12,500 points) for next year. Lagos to London (one-way).

Which airline?

Is Aisha supporting Atiku now?

Only her, lp, nnpp and pdp chai

Rachie83:
Hello everyone, it's nice to come across this thread. I remember around 2916/17 I used to read on thread like this while I was in Nigeria hoping to find myself in the US someday but exactly end of 2017 I got in with my hubby. Anyway to those who still contemplating of coming to US do not give up your dream although US is very hard to get in now but some people are still coming in. US is a land of opportunities with less cost of living compare to Canada and UK although it depends on the State you are. If you are a new immigrant midwest states are the best for you(Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Iowa, part of Illinois,
Missouri etc) interm of settling in on time because the cost of living is cheaper and a lot of job opportunities for new Comer although the cold is much during the winter. I would not advise new comers with no legal status to stay in Atlanta, Texas, California, Florida etc Atlanta Georgia is out of the pictures because the state pays lower and some bills are higher eg Auto insurance is ×3 of that of Indiana. Texas is not expensive but no immigrants job(if you understand what I mean) California is generally expensive. We landed in Indiana which really helped us to get settled on time but we chose to explore and we moved to Atlanta but that was a mistake and we are planning to relocate back to Indiana.

I am here to give one or two input when it comes to issues here in the US.

Can you explain what you mean by no immigrants job in Texas, just an overview will do. Thanks

Racoon:
Yeah! You truly deserved being there. Your unimaginable dirty exploits are indeed legendary. After all you are the only person to have attended a Government College Lagos during its non-existent years and Government College Ibadan as a ghost. Shameless criminal.

Hate Speech, what he said is it true or not

jedisco:
Its distressing how its so easy for some you to devalue yourself. The action or inaction of a single person does not reflect on us all.
There is a litany of Asians doing same in Canada and even broadcasting it on their YouTube channels. Would you adress the average Indian or Asian with same expletives? Then Chinese, Japanese e.t.c.

You would never stop being a Nigerian and you would not be granted more respect in the UK than that average Nigerian back home.

Regarding 'culture of giving back' . If you actually believe what you said, then you know nothing about all of human existence including the country you currently reside in. Get yourself some self worth.

You don’t need to reply to my post if you can’t respect yourself, must you reply to my comment? Why the aggression or am I the only one to have commented on this. Please learn to respect other people’s views and if you can’t please stay on your lane o Mr know it all.

Tareq1105:
I think Femi Falana should be cautioned. He's misinforming the public and I'll just give 2 instances here.

1. Plateau State.

The issue here is not about PDP primary election as Falana want the public to believe. It was about Sponsoring. PDP failed to conduct Congress in 185 Wards, 17 Councils, and State before going ahead to pick delegates for its primary despite Plateau state High Court judgement in 2021 directing it to do so. Therefore, the Appeal Court ruled that bcoz PDP failed to comply with the Court judgement, PDP doesn't have structure or Officers or Executives in the 185 Wards, 17 Councils, and State level.

2. Kano State.

The 165,663 ballots that were not Stamped, Dated, and Signed were products of rigging. It's mischievous for Falana to claim that voters were being punished for the failure of INEC officials to do their job. It's not true. INEC officials did their works, it's NNPP that owe Nigerians explanation how it came about those 165,663 votes. We all know the voting procedure of presenting yourself, BVAS confirmed and captured you, ballot papers given to you after it has been stamped, signed and dated by the Presiding Officer. Falana should know this procedure. Falana never think deeply to ponder on why all the 165,663 votes that are in contention belong to one political party, NNPP. So, those votes were surreptitiously and fraudulent smuggled into the boxes. Over 2m votes were recorded in that election and the only 165,663 votes that were not Stamped Dated and Signed were for NNPP only. We're not fools Falana.

Falana is just trying to be politically correct, he knows the truth but just wants to be seen defending democracy. Sometimes the opposition accuses him of being supportive of the APC so this is just one of those moments to appear neutral

Zahra29:
This is greed not poverty. She knew what she was doing cos I imagine she didn't answer truthfully when she was asked questions about her circumstances.

Imagine people like her getting into government in Nigeria- just shows that the people are as much to blame for the problems in the country.

Poverty actually breeds greed as a result of scarcity mentality or mindset. It works together.

Of course that’s why some spend 1billion on food in govt house. Like someone said earlier the same person will go to African store and spend like mad.

Regex:
You would think the older they get the wiser they become, but fools do get old too. Damn Nigerians!

We are a broken, violated and a messed up people, most of us don’t know until we are here. The average Nigerian needs serious orientation on entry into the advanced societies where it’s a culture of giving back and not hoarding. It’s a thing that needs to be unlearned. I no blame our people too much poverty do us shege back home. Make Una no too vex abeg

Ashez:
Otti has done in Abia state, good deeds that PDP couldn't achieve in their 24 years of power, within a space of 6 months.
God will forever bless you Alex Otti
History will forever remember you Sir

You guys can lie sha