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PastorKun:
Bros aren't you around for the IPPC? I thought we were supposed to meet for lunch

Bobo na chance o! Would make out time if possible

Candour:
And I hope you won't start displaying verbal or writing diarrhoea o? (to borrow your words)

Bobo... you rob God, yes or no?

trustman:
Whenever you want to run for cover you dig up one excuse or the other.

While you are at it remember my challenge:
Can you show clearly how I manipulated your post so that we know who should bow his head in shame?

Let it be clear to Gombs, Image123 and Bidam that they have been clearly shown where their 'heroes' used the curse of Malachi 3 on Christians. Any future denials will not just mark them out as liars but as the right hand men of the father of lies.

Heheheheheh

You aren't ashamed of yourself? You want me to show you how you manipulated my post? Are you blind, bro? I do not need excuses if I don't want to discuss, if I don't want to, I say it plainly.

About tithing, You don't want to give to the work of ministry and support of ministers, you are robbing God.............like it or not, you are a robber!

A Crooked one

You and your band are yet to provide one verse in the Bible that condemned tithing, until you do, I don't expect myself to discuss tithing further.

paulGrundy:
I wanted to ask you something away from some eyes. Just figured out religious section is not the best place.

Please have you heard from jo? And worried about him.

ah!he is fine o,very fine.i met him today before the IPPC session this morning. mail him na!

how are you?

paulGrundy:
Gombs let's meet here!

Why o?

Candour:
And you think I should dignify that list by going-a-digging? I consider you more intelligent than that my friend.

This whole gist is about image feigning ignorance of threads where tithe proponents used Malachi 3 against non tithers and my simple questions bother on whether you too will say with him that you've not seeing such? Or whether you've not heard any pastor use same? Or whether you've not used it yourself since we started discussing this issue on NL?

In your voice, a simple yes or no will do. I say yes. What say thou?

Now why should that be difficult?

Candour! Let me get to my hotel room first. Good evening.

Candour:
Would you also tell the dumb lie that you've NEVER come across a thread on NL where tithe proponents used Malachi 3 against non tithers? Would you also join the group lying that they're yet to see a pastor use Malachi 3 against non tithers? Would you also lie that you've never used the negatives in Malachi 3 against non tithers?

Would you my friend Gombs?

Bobo, stop shifting the goal post...I asked you, what sayeth thou? Bidam gave you a list of names, I asked what sayeth thou, you went haywire. If you don’t have any thing to say about the names Bidam gave... then no need having verbal or in this case written diarrhoea.

gifsCEC:
Now we are making progress. you've finally seen yourself and friends for what you are when you were running riot with the gifs: deranged NLders

If you find the gifs cool, why not add it as spice to your daily uploads here? well i'm helping you out. I promise not to do more than what you people do. that is, i will not dump on here (and similar threads) anything other than what you pollute sensible threads (including the good ones you open like the Midas touch thread) with.

I find it repulsive ruining good discussions with these dog's vomit and i hope you find them repulsive here too. In any case, what you do (wrt gifs) on good threads, gifsCEC will replicate here and on similar threads. You won't find me post anything if you continue your abstinence from 'em gifs[b]. gifsCEC was solely created for this purpose and nothing more. nice you know me because i also know myself. gifsCEC will surely fade with time as long as your obsession with those tools of distraction also fade with time.[/b]

long may you enjoy updating your devotionals.

See negotiations na! Be my guest buddy!

Yooguyz:
Tags: Gombs

Why?

Bidam:
Lol@ image, don't mind these folks...old threads of tithers are there for every one to google and see if the falsehood of candour could stand .From wordtalk, pilgrims1, snowwy,Olaa,Joagbaje, nativeboy,ihedinobi, alwaystrue down to you and me.

Oya candour, what sayeth thou?

WinsomeX:
Wow... what an impact. I congratulate you.

Yeah thanks, i wish your blog has this tale, I doubt it'd be so.

vooks:
According to Christ Embassy theology, can somebody contract diseases because of not tithing or paying first-fruits?

Hahahahahah, this is WinsomeX's specialty. He once opened (i think) a thread about Christ Embassy's policies, one which included separating wives from their pastors. Better still, take this to the WoF thread and make it F24

Candour:
Even Rev Sun Myung Moon in all his erraticity had millions of deluded followers

No. God isn't against a multitude but the painful truth and reality is that a multitude will never embrace the truth in any generation. Of course if you add up all the "few" of the last 2000 years of Christianity, you'll get a "multitude" but compared to the sea of humanity that have lived within this period, that "multitude" pales into significant insignificance (for emphasis pls ).

An effect of rushing for multitude is your branch pastor telling Jeff he contracted HIV because he didn't pay first fruits. Of course I trust you or oyaks don't believe that nonsense.

Its better to get one person knowing the truth than building an empire of spiritual zombies feeding on junk.

Are you sure you are not having misplaced ideas?

Candour:
That particular statement of Christ is "untwistable" no matter how 'good' you are at twisting so don't even go there

Cheers

So, God is against a multitude, say if a pastor has 30 million brethren worldwide?

vooks:
Let's test those parameters properly.
The Rhapsodies thread,
https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional
has 60,596 view and has been on since 5th February 2010 or 1661 days. The average reads per day is 37

The Midas Touch thread,
https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical
has 26,586 views since 19th October 2014 or 30 days ago. The average reads per day is 886

The Deception of Malachi thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1472237/deception-malachi-3-10-11-devourer
has 12,839 views since 10th October 2013 or 404 days ago. The average read is 31

And finally Bidam's New Testament Prophets...
https://www.nairaland.com/1977834/new-testament-prophets-defined
has 1,175 views since 2nd November or 16 days ago. The average reads per day is 73

SO clearly ROR is among the least impactful and besides, you post soft copies of Rhapsodies which I presume (correct me if am wrong) are not freely available. I wonder what would happen if you shared the entire book at once in its soft. Oyaks already has a sizeable following so you can't possibly claim impact on this basis. Real impact would be non CE members who read your thread ignoring the religious folks who click there for freebies

There is no divorce brouhaha, nobody wished it on him and if they did I wonder why they succeeded. But somebody here wished me death by a car crash and my family narrowly escaped death through the same last weekend. SO may be these things work

Emails are subjective, it is your word against anybody's not to mention the brand you carry; CE and probably how active you are on NL and for how long

The point is none of those parameters are proper measure of impact and you would do well not to dwell on the trivial. The other day, your side was up in arms over 'likes'

Vooks, I think you are smarter than this. ROR thread is not a discussion thread, it is a devotional thread. All the ones you mentioned are discussions, some made front page.

RoR has been on for long, the oldest (maybe I'm wrong) standing thread with daily updates. Buddy, I know those who get updates there for their whatsapp and facebook posts... in average, no less than 1, 500 is reached daily. Now, my joy is the word going out, lives changing, unlike some with the tear down, pull down syndrome. They type away, criticizing and castigating, but never making an impact themselves.

Candour:
And at the end of the day, how many of the large crowd believed the message? How many remained with Jesus at his trial? How many were with him after the resurrection? How many were waiting for the spirit in the upper room? If crowd following is anything, Jesus would be termed a failure by your standards. In fact a terrible failure because some of the crowd who sang hosanna in the highest to herald him into Jerusalem were screaming "crucify him, crucify him" just a week later. Do we take it you'll betray oyaks soon like the crowd did to Jesus?

Anyway, what mattered to Christ was doing his fathers work. What mattered to Paul was finishing his course and keeping the faith, not how many people he had getting thrills from hearing him. I keep telling you its not about the crowd. It shouldn't be about the crowd. Christ said [size=20pt]"narrow is the way and few will find it"[/size]

Say yours, I say mine. The important thing is readers seeing all the angles and arriving at the truth through the help of the spirit of God.

Yeah, right! That's WinsomX's motto.

Explaining that would be another day's task buddy! Cheers

trustman:
Impact is making "alotta folks mad bro!"

Whao!! That's IMPACT? Getting 'excited' by others' hurt?
By their expressions we shall know them!

You really nhave a warped reasoning ability. You see how you subtly manipulated my post? You should bow your head in shame

shdemidemi:
And what is your obsession about people, followings and numbers?

What should matter is if what was said is the truth and not how popular it is. After all the world tend to be more receptive to lies.

A large crowd followed Jesus, guess which set of folks hated that? Yeah buddy, the Pharisees.

vooks:
How do you measure impact?
Has this thread had ANY impact? What about the Rhapsodies Ctrl+C&V one?

Good questions

I measure impact from the number of emails I get, plus, the nu ber of views per day. I resurrected the ROR thread and had 6 views per day, today, I get an average of 150views per day plus countless testimonies and prayers. You can view the thread for more details.

That thread has suffered alot of attack, especially in the heat of the divorce brouhaha, now, a deranged NL, has taken my cool gifs there, thinking I'd get angry. He like others will fsde with time, and the ror thread will keep moving. My gifs made alotta folks mad bro!

Now, that's Impact. The thread has suffered persecution, but stood. Why, God no dey sleep. Same with this thread. Now compare this thread with that of WoF created by a select few.

Gotta run bro, IPPC next session is 7:55am- I am not a pastor o, but Meeeehn, seeing Rev Tom and Evangelist Owase in close proximity is very thrilling. Catch you boys later.

PS: I know who's invading the ror thread, he infact is helping the thread stay up...meaning, more views, more readership, more impact. I am not moved, he'd fade with time. Makes me remember what Paul wrote
[NLT] Philippians 1:17 Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition, not sincerely, intending to make my chains more painful to me.
[NLT] Philippians 1:18 But that doesn’t matter. Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.

WinsomeX:
Very well said BabaGnoni.

The fact that the WoF thread is getting under the skin of some is the reason it had to be made and the more reason they should read it. The builders of the thread should should understand that those whose beliefs that thread challenge will not sit back; they will fight back.

I am consoled at least that a few here like nlMediator do not deny they are WoF. That's one step to their redemption. Others like nanny who are one step in and one step out would find full liberation if they will listen to what the Spirit is saying.

As to the inviting folks to Christ Embassy comment by nanny, you may want to learn what a true church is by studying BabaGnoni submission at the last e convention.

https://www.nairaland.com/1856979/e-grace-convention-20-14/2#25506104

How come you and BBG hasn't made any impact with your ideas?

Even your local assembly that studied BBG's submission?

It’s Of The Spirit…Not The Mind!-Tuesday, November 18th .

Pastor Chris

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24).

1 Corinthians 2:14 says, “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” This is because Christianity is beyond the senses! The lack of understanding of this truth accounts for the frustrations many experience in their faith-walk. God contacts your spirit, not your mind. Faith emanates from your spirit and not your mind; it's the response of the human spirit to the Word of God. It has nothing to do with the senses.

Our senses weren’t designed to perceive God; we walk with Him from our spirit; we serve Him with our spirit, and understand spiritual realities through the Spirit. Our minds weren't fashioned for that; only our spirit can relate with God. And then, based on that relationship, we condition our minds from our spirit to go in the same direction, and control our senses to serve our purpose.

That means, the character that we express outwardly will always be dependent on the condition of our spirit—who we are inside.

That’s why we need the Spirit of God to guide us from within. He alone can get deep into the human nature to effect the changes that God wants in us—changes in terms of growth and development—from one level of glory to another. He alone can guide our minds to think toward God, think like God, and to think from God.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for guiding me by your Spirit, to think like you and see things from your perspective, and not merely from the natural standpoint. As I walk in the light of your Word, I experience supernatural growth from glory to glory, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. ; 

Ephesians 4:23-24
23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: James 1, Ezekiel 17-19
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 John 4:1-14, Daniel 1-2

vooks:
Karma is the most senseless principle invented. You need to visit Asia and see the suffering of those actively into Karma. What did they wrong to deserve it?

And look, who would be here to fight GOmbs if I had checked out?

Shedemidemi, WinsomeX, Kunle, Etc them plenty!

vooks:
I was carrying family. Empress,in-laws and a nephew.
First car crash in my life coming in the wake of somebody that wished me death by a car crash here

The weird thing is I never prayed before,during or after the accident. My pulse never shot. It was just as if I was watching Madagascar III. In the meantime they prayed like we had a night vigil there. My calmness was unnerving. Been thinking about it for the last 48 hours or so

Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha.. karma?

Bidam:
Nope, the link you gave says rettar.dds call it aks. are you one?

I believe you asked a rhetorical question.

Aks.... equals asks - you know I've always known I've been discussing with, retar.ds, most of which have multiple personality disorder.

Bidam:
yeah so also is clicks.

shdemidemi:
Good morning Gombs.

Quote me right, if you must quote me. Thanks

Message passed already. Thanks

I see how you admitted minor mistakes.

trustman:
If you are pained by my exercise of freewill which God has graciously given me I owe you no explanation. Learn to deal with it.

So this is what it's called now? Exercise of freewill? Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha. Yet, you don't want others to 'exercise free will' , you did not want Pastors to exercise any, but you want to exercise yours because God has graciously given you, shey? Joker.

vooks:
One notable miracles amongst the many that you verified is all trustman is aksin

Trusman?

SirJohn:
Hmmm! someone is not sounding so confident anymore, 'What if?' well you may be in for a very long wait
Last time I checked, there were three hospital test result we were supposed to see, for the first one, after nearly a month of pressure, Jeff said the doctor who diagnosed him in PH has been transferred from the hospital; now you tell me Bro Gombs, does that prevent him getting his medical records? Okay lets assume he has to chase the doctor, he 'went' to Owerri after Joagbaje sent him 30K and left Owerri without even giving Jo any feedback. It was when I asked Jo about the outcome of the trip, he called Jeff and what did Jeff say? He told Jo he got the results but was robbed on his way back and that he lost the results in the process he claimed he had to be hospitalized by some policemen.
And Jo believed him, I bet even you Gombs would have raised a red flag here.

For the second hospital, even when he could have just walked in and requested for the report, he didn't. It had to take someone else' effort to get the HIV positive result out and guess what? even though he claimed in Jo's video that he tested negative there, there was no such record in that hospital.

So that leaves us with one more right? FMC

In all my conversations with him, he hardly ever mentions FMC so I had to quiz him on that. My question to him was "In the video you mentioned going to the FMC am I correct?" he answered to the affirmative "Okay so what did you go to the FMC to do?" Jeff said he went to the FMC to collect anti retro-viral drugs. When I asked if he tested at the FMC, he couldn't give me a direct answer but he later said he did, when I asked what the result was, he again couldn't give me a direct answer. I pushed and pushed and then he told me it was positive but they later called him to say they made a mistake that the result was negative. Another red flag!

So unless Joagbaje plans to catch Jeff (who is currently on the run) and run a fresh test on him (which will most likely be positive given the circumstances), It is clear there was no negative result anywhere and the wafi guy has just pulled a cheap con on the man of god.




Well this is my third attempt to verify Joagbajes bogus claims, the first I think was a young boy he claimed he healed of a hole in the heart, he said he had x-ray evidence; when I asked Jo to produce the X-ray, he later turned and said he didn't have it, this was years ago.
The second of course was the 'blind' woman, my only regret was that I never recorded the conversation I had with her like I did for Jeff. She said in very clear English that 'she was not blind' I even spoke with her brother and it was the same thing he told me. but when Jo called her back, she denied ever telling me that and told Jo I was a liar. At least, from this latest story, you can now judge who was lying. Its either these people are afraid to disappoint Joagbaje so they lie to massage his 'MOG ego' or Joagbaje himself is the one lying.

Write a book on your feat already.

Err, what happened? Your thread aint big enough anymore? If you want to discuss your giant strides, do that in your already created thread. Ive heard your side and Jo's, you dont need keep repeating your story. Thanks

shdemidemi:
This BIDAM sef! If you won't admit to minor mistakes like this, how then will you own up to wrong beliefs you thought were right all your life. I believe it's a nigerian factor though(I might be wrong), ones once someone admit to an error, we automatically think such person is inferior. Saying sorry becomes an up hill task, admitting error is a never-go-area.

Fixed!
Like you admitted your error that Jesus can be traced to Adam? See legendary hypocrisy

trustman:
All Gombs and co are doing is simply to 'create' an escape route for their ally.

Again the issue was clear and you have been able to prove that this guy Jeff wasn't healed of HIV. That was the challenge. Not if joagbaje was deceived. Not anything else. Will Joagbaje keep his own side of the bargain?

See this one, you think I'm you? I like Jo would choose honesty, than reputation, I can't say so for some who'd rather sell theirs for a morsel of eba.

^^
I hope WinsomeX, shedemidemi, trustman et al resds that.