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mbaemeka: What is all this?

Kay17: The allegiance to one State makes you an enemy with another. Merely wishing a city or your neighbour prosperity does not equate to allegiance to the State. A crucial example is the number of German Christians that fought and defended the Nazi Regime (an epitome of Evil). Wouldn"t you consider that an error??

Boss13: The woman has told you and I dont know what more you want. She was not healed. Please drop this matter. I have happy that this thread can be discovered once you google healing school. What it then means is that whoever enters the Christ Embassy Healing School does so at his/her own peril and not because he/she was not warned.

Also, I am shocked that Joagbaje is yet to resume and defend himself. Na him I dey wait for. All these fake pastors roaming around looking for whom they will devour.

Kenyan28: Its past 5pm here, working hours are over. @Gombs, are u through with your questions? I want to leave.
I am a wife and a mother, my family needs me. I have access to internet 24/7 but after work + weekends, I give my family time. In fact I read ALL comments on this thread before I go to bed...EVERY DAY!

Jerryolumide: boss i tot u guys were don with dis issue??

Kenyan28: I wasn't healed, I said here, there are several advises that I ignored including from the nurses who tested me "negative" they said I should go for another test and even highlighted it on my test results which I never did. My 2 Kenyan friends dint test negative a bit even after visiting the healing school. I have a feeling that the nurses were aware that their kit was faulty, the more reason they emphasized that I should carry more tests.

I have been symptom free many times in my 12 years of HIV.Even now, I am symptom free after resuming my herbs 3 weeks ago. If u imagine Kenyan28 is a skinny female somewhere with all AIDs symptoms, u are so wrong. Ask your mate @Joag, he is my FB buddy and I keep uploading photos every other day!

The HIV test kits used in Gauteng Rand burg,were experired, so to speak. There was no healing here.

AM READY TO "MAKE ALL THE NOISE" I CAN AS LONG AS AM TELLING ABOUT MY HEALING THAT I GOT AT CHRIST EMBASSY, RANDBURG, SOUTH AFRICA 03/04/2010, I WILL TELL IT OVER THE MOUNTAINS AND EVERYWHERE, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. I am healed of HIV that I lived with for 8 years,

Candour: I know the job of defending your master is making you lose your marbles hence you can go to the extent of denying the very obvious. Why not go ahead and deny Lawrence agada was a cec member when he stole from his employers and spent part of the loot on your church? After all you're yet to see a report on it?

Also, certifiable has two definitions. It can mean real or genuine. I'll claim this one as I've been keeping it real despite your desperate attempts at cover up.

It can also mean crazy or insane which describes what you've become since the news broke that you have been following a lie for so long.

There's no report of a generator return because it never happened. If it did, you would have opened a thread for it after all what did it cost you to open all the threads you've opened so far on your job of defending your man?

Candour: Really?? What about this?

http://www.nigeriafilms.com/news/6751/21/chris-oyakhilome-pastor-of-christ-embassys-busines.html

Is it that you just feel a compulsion to deny everything your pastor is involved in? Was mbaemeka also talking baloney when he said the below?



Thank God he's honest enough not to deny a theft by an official of CEC occurred and part of the proceeds was put into your church.

If that first quote was an error, see him talk about it again



If you claim the blogger lied and manufactured the report, then you must admit mbaemeka was hallucinating when he admitted Lawrence agada, a thief donated some of his loot to CEC essentially corroborating what the guy you called a failed blogger wrote. Now that's something I'm sure you wouldn't want to say?

So my friend, its either you're lying you never heard or saw a report about this or you could be forgiven for being too young to know what was happening in the media 12 years ago

WinsomeX: www.nairaland.com/1895201/coat-many-colours-reasons-why-news

The article found in the link above, speaking about a coat of many colors, is a nice read. One cannot but give the author some credit in his phrasal construction, argument for the person of Pastor Chris, etc. For a moment, while he reeled out the achievements of the believers loveworld, one was almost lost in the euphoria of praise singing. The good thing about the article is that it is the best defense of the person of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and the recent scandal befallen his church. The bad thing about the article is that it left important questions unanswered.

First, to the title of the article "Coats of many Colors...". I personally see it as a tragedy that the current media hype of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome divorce proceedings is seen by his church members as an expression of jealousy by his competitors. Its not only a tragedy, it's sorry and sickening. It's also a lame excuse used to cover salient matters. If we consider the fact that Christ Embassy is a ministry that revels in publicity stunts and does everything to be seen in "rhapsodies", why is anyone surprised that a negative matter on them will make the news? It's simple, if you do everything for fame and popularity, you should be ready to bear with the side effects. I cannot say for sure why people write on CE, outside what I have said now but I am personally concerned with the myriads of young minds being deceived in that church. Again I say, if something is not done quickly, we shall have a tragedy in our hands in the very neat future.

The article left out so many question answered?

1. Why would a faithful wife allege adultery on her celebrity pastor-husband?

2. Who are these ladies in the white house?

3. Why was that lady pastor (can't remember her name now) suspended from church on the very day of Chris defence?

4. Why was Pastor Anita's pix removed from the church's website?

5. In spite of the volumes of books on healing published by the church, when will the church offer the world one verifiable evidence of a healed person?

6. Who is Pastor Chris? A devil or a saints.

PastorKun: @Gombs
And how do you interprete this type of advice to be an insult

This was the same clown that disappeared last year when we asked her probing questions to authenticate her false claims. I hope you haven't infected your poor husband with the virus sha.

Kenyan28: I saw that coming long time ago...read @Kunleoshob advice below that I refused/failed to take.

KunleOshob: @ Kenya
I would strongly advise you do an independent test with a reputable hospital, test results from CEC have time and again proven to be false. And pleeeaaaassse DON't stop taking your medication until it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that you are healed. Don't let them deceive you into not taking a confirmatory test in the excuse that you shd "exercise your faith". Of course their ready made excuse when their fake miracles are exposed is that the person didn't exercise enough faith.

Kenyan 28: . . In my case it was -ve and all symptoms disapeared. I cant deny that I was healed at some point. I enjoyed health for sometime . I just got it back,how? I do not know.

Candour: Gombs, all your 'works of charity' are in the open. You and CEC never shy away from giving publicity to things like that. Even your acts of sharing your ROR is seen as works of charity and you give it enough publicity. You've already opened a thread to showcase it on NL even as we speak.

There's a simple reason why there's no news report of the generator return: it never happened.

The incident happened 12 years ago when Nigerian newspapers were still basically hard copies but here's a link that has snippets of the report

http://www.redgage.com/blogs/andrewsegawa/when-the-prosperity-gospel-back-fired.html

I even wonder if Lawrence agada still worships with CEC? Gbenga the bank manager who stole 40m and gave 10m to CEC in 2003 too is another story.

Kenyan28: 1.I went to the HS in March 2010.
2. I had lived with HIV for 8 years then.
3. Just like any other person, I had watched Pr.Chris acting miracles on TV, so I decided to google to find much about him, while I at it, another CE pastor (Kenyan) but had worked with CE both in Nigeria and South Africa told me about the HS. I found about this thread when I was looking for HS to register. Apparently this thread is what people find/see first when they type "Healing School Christ Embassy"
4.Ofcourse I believed I could be healed after the acted "miracles" aired on TV channels.
5. I was NOT healed.
6...NEXT.

Kenyan 28:
A whole year-plus of divine health. Its actually 1 year 1 month today I am celebrating and enjoying divine health, after 8 years of sickness!!  There is no God like Jehovah****there is no God like Jehovah****There is no God like Jehovah****What God can do, no man can! Thank you Jesus!

AND I SAID THAT AM READY TO SHOUT IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER THE HILLS, MOUNTAINS AND EVERYWHERE THAT I AM HEALED, WHATS SO DIFFICULT FOR U TO UNDERSTAND?I WILL SHOUT AS LOUD AS I CAN AND AS MANY TIMES AS I CAN THAT AM NOT GIVING SOMEONE ELSE'S TESTMONY BUT MY VERY OWN THAT ON 3/4/2010 I TESTED HIV- AFTER 8 YEARS OF BATTLING WITH THE VIRUS!!, THANKS TO THE HEALING SCHOOL AND PASTOR CHRIS, GLORY BE TO GOD,

^^^^ that's all you have to say to me, mere grammatical corrections, WOW

I have read the link posted by candour, I find nothing wrong with it in the sense that it lists the hallmark & achievements of the ministry

but what is puzzling is that it doesn't address the issue at hand

they caught someone stealing food, red handed rather than apologize or prosecute him, you embark on a long sermon of how the person has been donating food items to people!!

Is the donation the issue or that the person was caught stealing

the hallmarks attributed to the ministry & to pastor can also be attributed to Rev Anita, infact if the brethren in UK should roll out her dossier you will find out that it is equally rich

So this begs the question, if truly she has a rich dossier, did she make those allegations & why would she?

That ought to be the question

you have followed this woman all ur ministry life, you will agree with me u don't know a tip of what she knows, so with all of that, why do u think she will make such allegations

or are u saying those allegations were cooked up by the media?

mbaemeka: How much was the offering? So if he says he gave 50 million the church would then raise 50 Million even if they didn't have such amount at the time?

So will Sheraton also go to the places the man shopped in, the people he gave monies to, the malls he visited etc. to ask them for the money he gave to them?

I don't have any newspaper article to show to you but as a member of that ministry I did my investigations and found out that the generator was returned immediately. What is even interesting is how Pastor Chris was accorded all the blame by those who write things '[size=20pt]to the best of their knowledge' [/size] regardless of how inconsequential such knowledge is.

nannymcphee: I haven't read it, I'll read it



I won't respond to this, you will go on the defensive

Your response will be similar to what the Catholics normally say when they are accused of worshipping Mary. They normally say "we don't worship her, we honor her"



I didn't open this thread cos I want to call names, check my posts on the WOF thread



Yes, you act as a mouth piece you don't see it cos you are involved in it but an outsider sees it

It's akin to someone whose mouth has an odor, it usually takes another to tell him. That's what I'm telling u



Don't get me started on the bolded



Paul also said follow me as I follow Christ, the operative word being "as I follow Christ" & not just to follow

So if I see any unchrist like attribute, should I still follow

As for messages, In the era of audio tapes, I had more than 200 cassettes, not counting the ones I borrowed or the VCD's & DVD or MP3's I have




They do but the blame will fall on the defaulters & not on the exposers

If they didn't default falter, it would not have been an issue

If they defaulted faulted,repented & not sought a cover up, it would not have been an issue

so what causes men to give up is not just the fact that something went wrong but the magnitude of what went wrong, how long it has been going on & the manner in which it was handled

check churches in the US, when a minister admits his faults & repents & remorseful. It doesn't really generates much dust but when he doesn't, it usually generates much dust & it is this type of action that turns men away from

In my friends story, if the pastor had profusely apologized to the church for the embarrassment he brought to the church & for not paying my friend & his crew, even an unbeliever will be moved by such humility & repentance

Kenyan28: 1st question please....and now.

Kay17: Isn't the Christian's allegiance to God rather than the State?

WinsomeX: Spot on my sister.

Let me add: publications in print and electronic media add some legitimacy to issues. This is the reason women should publish their names in newspapers after marriage. This is the reason allegations are refuted in papers. This is the reason SirJohn is offering to publish an open apology to the Christ Embassy church if they are able to provide one legitimately healed person from their myriads of claim: an offer that is over 2 weeks old now and is yet to be taken.

Let us have one publication that said the Gen' was returned and we will accept your story. Until then, please bury your head in shame bc your church has no testimony.

LambanoPeace: Really? Take this example, the media accused Pastor Chris of Adultery, alot of folks believed, he came out and said he did not, alot of folks said he's lying, newspaper publication like the one Candour provided said otherwise, yet alot of folks say the writer is cEC member, they could also have suggested the news media too was CEC's.

And you believed the line "to the best of my knowledge" over mba's own because a news media did not carry the news? Really? You definitely would stake your life for Sahara reporters o. But even if punch or sun carried news the generator was returned, alot of y'all would still not believe.

If CEC published the generator was returned alot of folks here would say 'damage control', 'liars', etc, so, why bother?

nannymcphee: Rather than ponder on the thrust of the article, some folks are busy picking holes in the articles

Why won't there be holes, is the article not written by human?

nannymcphee: firstly, Sahara reporters was the platform in which the article was submitted

Secondly I added the writers name, I didn't do a search on him, I haven't read any of his previous article & I doubt if he is a staff of Sahara reporters

So this has nothing to do with the platform but rather the content of the article!!!

This will shock you, this is my 11th year in Christ embassy, I don't know the level you have gotten to but in our words "I'm a son" in the house

as to your last paragraph, I won't say much
Q1. when did i accuse you of worship? can you make a reference implicitly or explicitly?

Q2.Why are you on the offensive/defensive, I only invited you to get your thought on this subject but you have almost taken it as though you are the one being accused

gleaning through all your post one will think you are the PR of CE,

Q3. Who made u the mouth piece & defender of CE online, several years ago, I did the same thing but over time I understood that the important thing is about defending Christ & not the ministry, so now I don't bother myself, I know most of the accusations against CE & I also know the responses brethren give

(for others info:when you see similar explanations from CE members, it's not that we are taught what to say, it stems from the fact that we all listen to one source, it more or less from the mindset we have come to have, hence the similar responses

That being said, it will shock you to know that some of the things the brethren say or do are not known at the top, if not correction would have long been made)

someone once told me she didn't know I was a member of Christ embassy, I wasn't offended but I would have cried if she had told me she didn't know I was a Christian, h fortunately for so many the reverse would have been the case

Q4. Have u so passionately defended Christ the way you defend the ministry(before u answer this know that all your post on NL can be studied) I want u to consider the answer carefully & don't just scream YES

the thing is that most of us haven't started asking ourselves serious questions, hence the drama

It's best you ask yourself such questions urself before unpleasnat circumstances will force you to, that's the reason someone pointed it out in this forum that some folks have turned agnostics

hey never asked themselves questions, they never sought to know if they were still in the faith(whether they were still following the book)

It had to take an unpleasant event to wake them to the truth & they felt angry, deceived etc and had to give up completely

Some persons might not understand where I'm coming from & I won't be surprised if u don't get me too

I hope this one isn't too long for you too & also hope u'll see the spirit I wrote this

PS: pls don't give me the epistle of I'm a rebel or I'm not truly a son or its not about the number of years etc I know the drill

mbaemeka: Lawrence Agada didn't give the 39 Million they said he took to church o. He bought a generator for the Satellite church he worshiped in and gave normal offerings like any other member would. When he was found out by Sheraton and it was certain they would not be able to recoup all the money (as he used some for his personal needs) they asked him to say he sowed all the money to church so the church would be forced to pay it. At one point sef, they almost claimed the money went to Pastor Chris himself.

The church immediately returned the Generator to Sheraton and life moved on but Oremosu who didn't do any research thought it wise to include it in his/her write-up.

christemmbassey: bros u no go kill me with lafta 4 Nl o @needing more than a lifetim to catch up with Gombs dishonesty. ** in Pasto goody goody's voice** Gombs afo do legend, odo legend, iko mbakara a a a legend....

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Candour: In your desperation, you forgot that wasn't a news report. Its an opinion expressed by somebody which could have been published anywhere. Nannymcphee could have posted it without a link and it wouldn't still affect its timeliness or appropriateness for the simple fact that its an opinion just like the childish nonsense you call a defence put up by you on the thread below

https://www.nairaland.com/1895201/coat-many-colours-reasons-why-news

Also on the dishonesty accusation, I'll need more than one lifetime to catch up with you and your mentors on that attribute.

nannymcphee: Don't get you, is it that the link is broken or what?

If its too long, visit the link, it will be properly formatted there

Emmaomotob: I will make my arguement very easy by destroying the GENESIS of the penticostals
1)Paul stated in 1st Corinthians 3:1-3, "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.For ye are yet carnal..." Church of Corinthians was a CARNAL church.
2) It is possible to speak in language(tongue) of humans, read KJV 1st Corinthians 13vs 1 .
3) The disciples were already saved before Holy Spirit fell upon them.(They talked and chatted with the son of God after he had risen from death)
4) No account in Bible said Jesus spoke in tongues
5) Jesus purified the adulteous woman, she did not fall down or speak in tongues.
6) Jeus said 'go your FAITH has made you well.' You only need faith to be divinely healed and also to be forgiven
7) You are compelled to explain(interpret) everything you've said in tongues.
On the penticost, it was something special that happend, so that Peter could be able to break language barrier(every man heard them speak in his own language)
9) Tongues is meant only for evangelism
10) You can't send Holy Spirit into someone(Holy Spirit unlike Jesus, came to this world in Spirit form(The trustworthy KJV used HE for him) John 16 vs 13-14). He comes at his own time, when he sees that you obey God's Commandments and most importantly, you have faith in Jesus. Obedience is better than sacrifice. No wonder Penticostal pastors indulge in sin, since they follow wrong path.
Old testament, God manifested in Father, in the New testament, he manifested in Son and now he is manifesting in the Holy Spirit(who is here in the Name of Jesus Christ John 16 vs 14). If you have any question left, I'm always at your service. We all must not miss heaven because of fake doctrines.

WinsomeX: Don't be too hasty here Mr Baby Gombs.

Let's wait for the lady to offer or decline the request.