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^^^^ that's all you have to say to me, mere grammatical corrections, WOW

I have read the link posted by candour, I find nothing wrong with it in the sense that it lists the hallmark & achievements of the ministry

but what is puzzling is that it doesn't address the issue at hand

they caught someone stealing food, red handed rather than apologize or prosecute him, you embark on a long sermon of how the person has been donating food items to people!!

Is the donation the issue or that the person was caught stealing

the hallmarks attributed to the ministry & to pastor can also be attributed to Rev Anita, infact if the brethren in UK should roll out her dossier you will find out that it is equally rich

So this begs the question, if truly she has a rich dossier, did she make those allegations & why would she?

That ought to be the question

you have followed this woman all ur ministry life, you will agree with me u don't know a tip of what she knows, so with all of that, why do u think she will make such allegations

or are u saying those allegations were cooked up by the media?

mbaemeka: How much was the offering? So if he says he gave 50 million the church would then raise 50 Million even if they didn't have such amount at the time?

So will Sheraton also go to the places the man shopped in, the people he gave monies to, the malls he visited etc. to ask them for the money he gave to them?

I don't have any newspaper article to show to you but as a member of that ministry I did my investigations and found out that the generator was returned immediately. What is even interesting is how Pastor Chris was accorded all the blame by those who write things '[size=20pt]to the best of their knowledge' [/size] regardless of how inconsequential such knowledge is.

nannymcphee: I haven't read it, I'll read it



I won't respond to this, you will go on the defensive

Your response will be similar to what the Catholics normally say when they are accused of worshipping Mary. They normally say "we don't worship her, we honor her"



I didn't open this thread cos I want to call names, check my posts on the WOF thread



Yes, you act as a mouth piece you don't see it cos you are involved in it but an outsider sees it

It's akin to someone whose mouth has an odor, it usually takes another to tell him. That's what I'm telling u



Don't get me started on the bolded



Paul also said follow me as I follow Christ, the operative word being "as I follow Christ" & not just to follow

So if I see any unchrist like attribute, should I still follow

As for messages, In the era of audio tapes, I had more than 200 cassettes, not counting the ones I borrowed or the VCD's & DVD or MP3's I have




They do but the blame will fall on the defaulters & not on the exposers

If they didn't default falter, it would not have been an issue

If they defaulted faulted,repented & not sought a cover up, it would not have been an issue

so what causes men to give up is not just the fact that something went wrong but the magnitude of what went wrong, how long it has been going on & the manner in which it was handled

check churches in the US, when a minister admits his faults & repents & remorseful. It doesn't really generates much dust but when he doesn't, it usually generates much dust & it is this type of action that turns men away from

In my friends story, if the pastor had profusely apologized to the church for the embarrassment he brought to the church & for not paying my friend & his crew, even an unbeliever will be moved by such humility & repentance

Kenyan28: 1st question please....and now.

Kay17: Isn't the Christian's allegiance to God rather than the State?

WinsomeX: Spot on my sister.

Let me add: publications in print and electronic media add some legitimacy to issues. This is the reason women should publish their names in newspapers after marriage. This is the reason allegations are refuted in papers. This is the reason SirJohn is offering to publish an open apology to the Christ Embassy church if they are able to provide one legitimately healed person from their myriads of claim: an offer that is over 2 weeks old now and is yet to be taken.

Let us have one publication that said the Gen' was returned and we will accept your story. Until then, please bury your head in shame bc your church has no testimony.

LambanoPeace: Really? Take this example, the media accused Pastor Chris of Adultery, alot of folks believed, he came out and said he did not, alot of folks said he's lying, newspaper publication like the one Candour provided said otherwise, yet alot of folks say the writer is cEC member, they could also have suggested the news media too was CEC's.

And you believed the line "to the best of my knowledge" over mba's own because a news media did not carry the news? Really? You definitely would stake your life for Sahara reporters o. But even if punch or sun carried news the generator was returned, alot of y'all would still not believe.

If CEC published the generator was returned alot of folks here would say 'damage control', 'liars', etc, so, why bother?

nannymcphee: Rather than ponder on the thrust of the article, some folks are busy picking holes in the articles

Why won't there be holes, is the article not written by human?

nannymcphee: firstly, Sahara reporters was the platform in which the article was submitted

Secondly I added the writers name, I didn't do a search on him, I haven't read any of his previous article & I doubt if he is a staff of Sahara reporters

So this has nothing to do with the platform but rather the content of the article!!!

This will shock you, this is my 11th year in Christ embassy, I don't know the level you have gotten to but in our words "I'm a son" in the house

as to your last paragraph, I won't say much
Q1. when did i accuse you of worship? can you make a reference implicitly or explicitly?

Q2.Why are you on the offensive/defensive, I only invited you to get your thought on this subject but you have almost taken it as though you are the one being accused

gleaning through all your post one will think you are the PR of CE,

Q3. Who made u the mouth piece & defender of CE online, several years ago, I did the same thing but over time I understood that the important thing is about defending Christ & not the ministry, so now I don't bother myself, I know most of the accusations against CE & I also know the responses brethren give

(for others info:when you see similar explanations from CE members, it's not that we are taught what to say, it stems from the fact that we all listen to one source, it more or less from the mindset we have come to have, hence the similar responses

That being said, it will shock you to know that some of the things the brethren say or do are not known at the top, if not correction would have long been made)

someone once told me she didn't know I was a member of Christ embassy, I wasn't offended but I would have cried if she had told me she didn't know I was a Christian, h fortunately for so many the reverse would have been the case

Q4. Have u so passionately defended Christ the way you defend the ministry(before u answer this know that all your post on NL can be studied) I want u to consider the answer carefully & don't just scream YES

the thing is that most of us haven't started asking ourselves serious questions, hence the drama

It's best you ask yourself such questions urself before unpleasnat circumstances will force you to, that's the reason someone pointed it out in this forum that some folks have turned agnostics

hey never asked themselves questions, they never sought to know if they were still in the faith(whether they were still following the book)

It had to take an unpleasant event to wake them to the truth & they felt angry, deceived etc and had to give up completely

Some persons might not understand where I'm coming from & I won't be surprised if u don't get me too

I hope this one isn't too long for you too & also hope u'll see the spirit I wrote this

PS: pls don't give me the epistle of I'm a rebel or I'm not truly a son or its not about the number of years etc I know the drill

mbaemeka: Lawrence Agada didn't give the 39 Million they said he took to church o. He bought a generator for the Satellite church he worshiped in and gave normal offerings like any other member would. When he was found out by Sheraton and it was certain they would not be able to recoup all the money (as he used some for his personal needs) they asked him to say he sowed all the money to church so the church would be forced to pay it. At one point sef, they almost claimed the money went to Pastor Chris himself.

The church immediately returned the Generator to Sheraton and life moved on but Oremosu who didn't do any research thought it wise to include it in his/her write-up.

christemmbassey: bros u no go kill me with lafta 4 Nl o @needing more than a lifetim to catch up with Gombs dishonesty. ** in Pasto goody goody's voice** Gombs afo do legend, odo legend, iko mbakara a a a legend....

BabaGnoni: https://s18.postimg.org/tzv0g4ldl/sir.jpg

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#10 is "The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School"

Candour: In your desperation, you forgot that wasn't a news report. Its an opinion expressed by somebody which could have been published anywhere. Nannymcphee could have posted it without a link and it wouldn't still affect its timeliness or appropriateness for the simple fact that its an opinion just like the childish nonsense you call a defence put up by you on the thread below

https://www.nairaland.com/1895201/coat-many-colours-reasons-why-news

Also on the dishonesty accusation, I'll need more than one lifetime to catch up with you and your mentors on that attribute.

nannymcphee: Don't get you, is it that the link is broken or what?

If its too long, visit the link, it will be properly formatted there

Emmaomotob: I will make my arguement very easy by destroying the GENESIS of the penticostals
1)Paul stated in 1st Corinthians 3:1-3, "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.For ye are yet carnal..." Church of Corinthians was a CARNAL church.
2) It is possible to speak in language(tongue) of humans, read KJV 1st Corinthians 13vs 1 .
3) The disciples were already saved before Holy Spirit fell upon them.(They talked and chatted with the son of God after he had risen from death)
4) No account in Bible said Jesus spoke in tongues
5) Jesus purified the adulteous woman, she did not fall down or speak in tongues.
6) Jeus said 'go your FAITH has made you well.' You only need faith to be divinely healed and also to be forgiven
7) You are compelled to explain(interpret) everything you've said in tongues.
On the penticost, it was something special that happend, so that Peter could be able to break language barrier(every man heard them speak in his own language)
9) Tongues is meant only for evangelism
10) You can't send Holy Spirit into someone(Holy Spirit unlike Jesus, came to this world in Spirit form(The trustworthy KJV used HE for him) John 16 vs 13-14). He comes at his own time, when he sees that you obey God's Commandments and most importantly, you have faith in Jesus. Obedience is better than sacrifice. No wonder Penticostal pastors indulge in sin, since they follow wrong path.
Old testament, God manifested in Father, in the New testament, he manifested in Son and now he is manifesting in the Holy Spirit(who is here in the Name of Jesus Christ John 16 vs 14). If you have any question left, I'm always at your service. We all must not miss heaven because of fake doctrines.

WinsomeX: Don't be too hasty here Mr Baby Gombs.

Let's wait for the lady to offer or decline the request.

WinsomeX: Hello ma,

I trust your day is going well.

I want to make a public request on behalf of my friend here on nl, Gombs, and that is that though you have agreed to offer him an interview on your experience at the healing school, for his sake and the sake of those who will learn from all this, please allow the interview to proceed in the manner he wishes.

I understand you do not have ready access to the site everyday so the interview can proceed for as long as it will take. Let him ask his question and you answer it when the time permits.

Now Gombs, if the good Kenyan lady accepts this proposal, know that myself and others my minions will be on you like white on rice.

It will be like a court case where the defendant's lawyer is quick to object the prosecutor's questions at any slight indication that you may want to ask her leading questions or otherwise.

She also has the right to not answer your questions

or to quit the interview whenever she wishes.

We have offered you our head and all now, we only request your understanding.

Candour: You are only an echo machine my young man with no ideas of your own. You have nothing to discuss. I'll advice you wait for your mentors to speak then you can carry on your job of echoing, laughing and posting pictures to amplify whatever they say as you always do.

If anybody is pained, its those who say these discussions mean nothing yet refuse to ignore the thread.

My dear, that your thread you cited was bad business

for whatever your intentions of opening it was.

You only helped to spread very unsavoury news about one man's problem with his wife. I congratulate you on that.

Also what has mini skirts got to do with your defence?

My friend, go and marry and stop wondering whenever you see a mini skirt.

Finally, if nothing you discuss here changes anything, why are you worked up?

Why do you feel a compulsion to engage those with contrary opinions?

Could it be that you don't even believe what you wrote about discussions here not changing anything? If I were you, I wouldn't waste time my time like that.

LambanoPeace: You sound pained, that was a classic saying by Gombs , it should be archived. Ever hear of the word idiom?
#Tuale

WinsomeX: That's the way a Christ Embassy mind works.

Candour: Hmmm....since this is the era of receiving mails, I dare say I too have received 'countless' mails...............from those who swear you didn't receive any mail

now that was a joke


SirJohn, on a serious note, this your thread must be one of the busiest in terms of views. 2130 posts over 66 pages and it has grossed almost 135,000 views!!!. I would assume its one of the most viewed threads on NL. Means it generated quite a lot of interest. A lot of folks read but didn't comment. Probably it caused some introspection and meditation which is exactly what I'm always happy to see and hear: people thinking about issues like this. Thank God for his mercies and God bless and keep Kenyan28 in good health and peace. Amen

nora544: What they write is very good but I know you didnot like to hear and to read it because it tell the truth about the heresy of the prosperity gospel and the God of man.

SirJohn: For me, I didn't care one bit how you did the interview. Someone tried it privately, just exactly how you want it and she put him in his place
We all know what you want to achieve with your interview, just the same way you and mbaemeka tried to pick holes in my story but failed. Mbaemeka even insinuated at a point that I was writing on behalf of kenyan28, he probably thought I was as desperate as he or some other person (you know who).

Please go ahead with your interview, don't chicken out

As for the facts, its already ripe enough for folks to see. Judging by the number of emails I have received since this thread resurfaced, I think people are beginning to see through the shenanigan.

trustman: What is the purpose of the interview - to get facts, find faults or prove a point?
When a student prepares ALL his questions in a questionnaire for a project does the fact that all questions are stated at once invalidate the work?
Can follow-up not be done on the answers? 
There is no clumsiness in having all questions in one presentation. 
After all the initial posts are already there for checks of consistency. 
If there is no 'hidden agenda' there should be no hesitation to this approach.

Emmaomotob: Stop selectively quoting the Bible 1st Corinthians 14 vs 4 in trustworthy KJV says: He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Vs 6 says: Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall INTERPRET, that the church may recieve edifying.
Vs 9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be UNDERSTOOD, how shall it be KNOWN WHAT IS SPOKEN? FOR YE SHALL SPEAK INTO THE AIR.
Meaning that you don't speak in tongues anyhow, its for prophecy and not the confirmation that you are a born again, when the pastor calls you out for repentance of sin. My mom, shaked like a snake after the pastor laid his hands on her and sinned same day. Salvation is by faith alone. "1)Therefore being justified by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ :
2) By whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice on HOPE OF THE GLORY OF GOD." Romans 5 vs 1-2
Have faith and Keep the Commandments of God and you are saved. Simple! Not disgracing yourself in front of church to meet a man that you are not sure is holy, who uses Hocus Pocus and Theory of Mind to decieve you.(Some are obsessed with pastors that they say e.g. God of Adeboye.) It is when you walk in the way of God that Holy Spirit enters you. “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
—Matthew 7:15
Baptist Church is the only one that comes closest to following Christ teachings. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/ifb.htm

Kenyan28: My friend I have done interviews, many of them, so to speak.There are several types of interviews 1) Oral Interview, 2) Written Interview etc In your case here, the interview is WRITTEN but NOT ORAL . The last time I checked in a written interview, the list of ALL questions was put/compiled together in a sheet of paper or booklet. If you want "a step by step" thing as you say, make it Oral, you can PM for my number! Else, put your questions in one or two comments, I promise to answer ALL.