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nora544: all the ppastors who make this are fake man of God because they write it that it could belong ot every part of the world and when it happen than they will tell us they see it before no one see something befors stop this.

Grammar ma'am

Work on it, channel the energy you use on hating on productive things. This is a public forum for Pete's sake.

musKeeto: You don come again?

there is everything christ-like in kunle.

Not Subject To the Elements! · Thursday, September 25th

Pastor Chris

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances (Colossians 2:20).

When you were born again, you were delivered from the power of darkness, and translated into the Kingdom of God’s dear Son (Colossians 1:13). You’re therefore no longer subject to the elements of this world. This means that you must refuse to be snowed-under by infirmities and harsh elements of this world that make life unbearable for the ordinary man.

From our opening scripture, it’s clear that it’s the babe in Christ—the spiritually immature—that can be subject to the elements of this world. This is why you must keep growing in the Lord—unto a mature man in Christ. Then you’ll be knowledgeable enough to walk in the consciousness of your inheritance in Him.

In John 8:32 the Lord Jesus said, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." If you walk in ignorance of the truth of God’s Word, you’ll remain in bondage and suffer the same things that the people of the world suffer. You might even think that God is the one punishing you, but He isn’t. Why will He punish you after He has "punished" Jesus in your place? The Bible says, "...He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities…" (Isaiah 53:5).

Your punishment was already laid on Jesus. Therefore, refuse to be dominated by cancer, diabetes, heart trouble, headaches, or any other kind of infirmities. Rise up in your spirit and take the dominion. Tame the world with your faith-filled confessions.

Perhaps, as a businessperson, there’s been so much corruption or unfavourable policies that tend to militate against your success; refuse to be discouraged. No system or policies can work against you; you’re greater than them all; therefore, rise above them. Function above the system. Remember what the Scripture says, "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world" (1 John 4:4).

You were dead with Christ, from the rudiments or elements of this world; refuse to be subject to them. You play by a different set of rules. Have this consciousness always.

Confession...

I refuse to be subject to the elements of this world because greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. I take my place of authority in Christ, and declare that the world is under my dominion, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study: John 17:16; 1 John 5:4

1 year Bible Reading Plan: Ephesians 2:11-22, Isaiah 15-18

2 year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Timothy 1:1-18 Jeremiah 43

pesty100: . What about those who gives it out for free (Gideons)

bobo, some folks has already paid for them to be distributed free in Africa especially. google it

nannymcphee: This story is not nollywood or "them say", the job was offshore & the company was owned by the pastor, find out from folks who work offshore, the moment u hit town, ur alert come in,

my friend held his part of the bargain

Then the pastor was wrong for not to have paid up!

If my friend disregarded the church & office of the pastor, what about the pastor that went against Gods word that talks about paying workers their wages & being truthful & honest?? Didn't the pastor dishonor God, the church & his office? (I hope touch not will not apply here)

Let God judge the man, not you or your friend. Does two wrongs make a right?

The long story I skipped was that, there was a visiting senior pastor from headquarters that Sunday, he told them they should see him after service

but your friend thought testimony time was far better, no?

The pastor claimed that the client had not paid, hence the delay in payments

aha, at least now there was an explanation..the first post you had earlier suggested the pastor did not even want to see them.

My friend called someone from the clients firm who worked with the account dept, the call was placed on speaker & he confirmed that they weren't owing the pastors firm

see na! Someone..was that someone a senior staff? if yes, does he or she work with finance department? why didn't he call the Boss of that firm? My point here is that there is obvious communication glitch... a whole lot

I'm shocked at ur responses, u left the pastor & focused on my friend, who is in a better position to walk in the light of the questions u asked above? The pastor or the lay member

You see it so, because you wanted me to see it from your friend's perspective, remember, everyone is right in their own eye. you didnt hear the Pastor's side of the story, did you?

Let me borrow ur words, what happened to the pastors love?

What happened to the pastors Christian moral?

Who has the pastor acted like in the bible?

Why did the pastor order the guards not to let them into the office complex?

basing your opinion of just what your friend told you is not nice... you should have heard the Pastor's side of the story.

why did the pastor lie that he was being owed?

you claiming he lied based on what your friend told you, for Pete's sake he may have called a cleaner or security man he knew working there, for it is against company standard t give information to "strangers" especially went money payments are involved.

At the end of the day, who brought shame to the body of Christ? The pastor or my friend?

your friend... No matter how you see it, taking a microphone in church to complain about a debt and asking the congregants to join him beg their pastor to pay him is not justifiable in any way.

I'm earnestly waiting for the answers to this questions

I've obliged you ma'am

I hope u won't feed the me the "touch not"

you've not known me a lot then!

My friend did not cause commotion in church, he simply stated the facts, that he had worked without pay & they should join him in begging the pastor to pay up

and that was right thinking to you?

I hope u earn a living, how will be like for u to work 6months without pay, with a wife & kids?

i'd be frustrated especially if i know the monies were held for no cogent reasons..but should that make me go to the church and announce that their pastor refuse paying me? of all sensible ways of getting the debt paid? aren't their elders in that church he could first complain to? aren't there christian bodies in that state hew could write to? did he pray about it? He should have gone to the press na! He did the job with the Pastor's company, NOT the church!

I don't know where u live, in Nigeria here, some companies owe staffs salaries for months & still threaten them with sack should they decide not to come to work

Did he threaten to sack your friend? this is a new detail o

So why should a Christian business owner practice this? Not to talk of a pastor!

most atimes, wickedness and greed ... sometimes, lack of the said funds

so what exactly should my friend beg God for?

for disregarding the presence of God in the gathering of brethren. If the governor was sitting there in the congregation, would he have gone to the front with a microphone to announce the said debt? He can't... He'd not dare.

lustra89: thnk,, pls am above that age,,, n thanks for ur correction

Thanks, please I'm above that age... and thanks for your correction.


you welcome buddy

Topgainer: Sorry for interfering in your address to drummaboy

Yes, you mean the fake Church(self-seeking) in Revelations 6:2. A fake Christ that rode a white horse, had a bow but no arrow was given to him, so all he could do was stage miracles, organize placebo-effect healings and teach ungodly things
A time was given for him to march on but another was given for him to be judged

Till then buddy! I'm glad you or any Nairalander aint the judge

lustra89: Now, why i asked this question, was beause i ran into a friend's update, sending birthday wishes and calling him title's like ''God's General'' to me i dnt think he deserve that title, judging from what most God's general's has done including people like whycliff jean, john hus, martin lurther knox etc,, this are men who fought for the bible we read today, including giving their life so the bible could be interpreted to the language of the common man,, when the catholics, kings and pope insist it must be in latin, they fought for reformation of the church, destroyin most belief,, many reason's which i cnt go on mentioning, even when john hus was kill because of his Reformation to the church, he said '' lord have mercy' and in 1999 pope john paul apologised for a sin commited by the church to him, after 385years, to me i dnt fink Bishop david oyedepo should be address as such,,, please what's ur humble opinion,, no insult please, but if you do,, i will humble smile no skin pain.... Thanks

Yes he is! Do you know how many millions of God's army he leads here on earth? Meanwhile, stop thinking, start learning! Stop using 'fink' for 'think' 'dnt' for 'don't'... know when to use past tenses, and continuous tenses, use ... instead of ,,,

I can tell you are below 18 from your post, but if you are above 20, I really think you should focus on your studies and leave Oyedepo outta it

Elantracey: Because money was used to print it .

Simple! The printers gon be paid, what of staff? Transportation nko?

Why do folks get dizzy with confusion when the word 'money' and 'church' re close together in a sentence.

nannymcphee: Q1.Kindly explain what Paul was addressing in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13


12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

MSG
9-13 I wrote you in my earlier letter that you shouldn’t make yourselves at home among the sexually promiscuous. I didn’t mean that you should have nothing at all to do with outsiders of that sort. Or with crooks, whether blue- or white-collar. Or with spiritual phonies, for that matter. You’d have to leave the world entirely to do that! But I am saying that you shouldn’t act as if everything is just fine when a friend who claims to be a Christian is promiscuous or crooked, is flip with God or rude to friends, gets drunk or becomes greedy and predatory. You can’t just go along with this, treating it as acceptable behavior. I’m not responsible for what the outsiders do, but don’t we have some responsibility for those within our community of believers? God decides on the outsiders, but we need to decide when our brothers and sisters are out of line and, if necessary, clean house.

QED
Read in context and from the greek manuscripts. He was actually saying "it's my responsibility to put you guys in the right path" same thing Pastor Chris did when he excommunicated a Pastor, why? Because he's responsible for those in CEC, and yet folks still nailed him on the cross! He is the boss in the church in Asia, he cannot be responsible for that in Jerusalem.

Q2.where do you get this notion of by pen or by mouth? All the verses preceding the "touch not my....." talks about assault or physical harm

Really? You want me to put up a verse where someone was recommended to David for death just because he cursed the Lord’s annoited....folks curse with what?

pls don't bring in names so that the thread won't be derailed.

Noted but it will, sooner or later. I promise, not from me

Why can't I arrest a pastor in church when he has broken the law?

You can, but shouldn't

A friend of mine worked for a Pastor of a well known church(name withheld) . him & his crew were owed for 6months, no pay

1 Corinthians 6:1
New Living Translation
When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers!

The pastor gave instructions to the security guys not to allow them into the office complex, they did the job offsite, they tried all they could to get his attention to no avail

Romans 4:4 ISV Now to someone who works, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation.

Now, I don't have full details, maybe your friend didn't do as they agreed, but if all conditions are met, and the pastor refuses pay (highly unlikely), then cops gotta get him, that's nafter all means has been exhausted.

So one Sunday, they all decided to go to his church, the pastor didn't notice them, unfortunately for the pastor he was the first to speak during testimony time, my friend took the mic & narrated everything & that the congregation should pls join him in begging the pastor to pay.

That is soooooo wrong and God would not be pleased at such. There are order in God’s house, your friend could have met an elder in the church quietly, he disregarded the church and the office of the Pastor, not the man, but the office.

long story short, the pastor paid them the next day.

What was his gain now? Proving the pastor is 'wicked' or 'evil'? to what end? Folks sha. Don’t forget, maybe you didn't have the full details, the pastor might ot be aware of the debt, if he were, maybe there was a breach of contract, if there wasn't, you can’t conveniently tell me someone worked for you, and you deliberately withheld pay for no reason at all

question: Did my friend do wrong by going to the church to do this?

He should go beg God...you need understand something, the church of God DOES not practice democracy, you don't always have freedom of expression and 'rights'... what happened to humility? Patience? Endurance? Love? Etc even if the pastor was wrong, what happened to his Christian morals? Who was he like in the Bible?[/quote]

SirJohn: Bros Jo, since the prophecy has been posted here, can you please tell us which of the prophecies has come to pass

Read the OP again, then find the corresponding prophecy, if u still can't find it, then we'd have to dial 911

Cc:
Drummaboy aka WinsomeX
Goshen
Shedemidemi

Now the excuse might be "even the devil does same"

These folks are stiff necked, now I understand why God wanted to destroy em isrealites in the day of Moses

mbaemeka: 2 Peter 1:21 KJV

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

None of the prophecies or scriptures came from men. They came from the Holy Spirit who moved them to speak or write it down. Will the Holy Spirit move a Christian to act contrary to the scriptures?

Paul didn't rebuke Peter because he was "just" wrong. He rebuked him because Peter was within Paul's jurisdiction which was Galatia- a region Paul had established a church. The same Paul when he met with James and the other elders in Jerusalem didn't rebuke them even though they admonished Gentiles to imbibe some Jewish customs as part of their salvation "duties". He simply obeyed them there and kept mum but when he wrote to his churches he taught otherwise.

There is a due process in God's house for the Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion or a proponent of dissension and rank-breaking. But if any MOG fails in the law of the land then let him be punished by the law of the land and if he fails in the law of God then let God himself punish him amicably.

Going by what Image123 had already said when David had the opportunity to kill Saul he refused to and when one of his soldiers offered to do it David called Saul "the Lord's annointed". Remember that David too was the Lord's anointed (and even more anointed than Saul if I may add) but when he learned about Saul's death he exclaimed "How are the mighty fallen?" before he instructed his men not to tell the story amongst the Heathens (Garth in the context). He didn't call Saul a demon-possessed Charlatan or fraud that God had punished. Instead with tears he queried why such a mighty man had fallen so ignominiously.

I am not a proponent of anything except I declare unequivocally that I am. Just thought to add that.

Gbam!

Ohhhhhhhhh! Mba, as for the colored, may God bless you. His wisdom and excellence is working in your mind immeasurably

David had to kill 2 fellas like that in the Bible for slaying the Lord’s anointed, and was advised to slay another for simply cursing the Lord’s annointed, yet folks here insult and attack all including the president of the country! Forgetting the Bible frowns at that too

Notice the difference in our posts, 4mins...we were thinking same things... Hahahahahah, true sons of our father! He sure made Bereans outta us

1. Who was God referring to in this verse

His saints and his prophets (Pastors, Ministers of the gospel)

2.Does this verse cover all Christians who are anointed or its strictly for MEN OF GOD

All... we are to judge none, touch none, not by mouth, pen or however.

3. If its not exclusive to MEN OF GOD alone, how come its not used when a Christian who isn't a leader is being slandered

Ask them, I use it on all...all who's created of God.

4a.As a Christian police officer, If I catch a MAN OF GOD committing a crime, should I arrest him or turn the other way becos of this verse??

Define the word 'crime' ...because, they said Chris Oyakhilome commited a crime too.... but if you find him breaking traffic rules or give bribes etc...Arrest him, you are doing your job! Make sure you don't do the arresting in the church!

4b. As a Christian police officer, if the use of excessive force is required to restrain a violent MAN OF GOD, should I use such force or let him continue his attack

Beni! He should know how to conduct himself and his anger, knowing fully well he's an ambassador for Christ

(For Q4a & b, i ask becos the verse says do the prophet no harm)

The Hebrew word is ra'a meaning to do an injury or hurt, to do evil or wickedly, mischief . Check your motive here. When you are arresting him, do it with respect or reverence, even if you saw him stole from a store. Do your job and keave the rest for who he answers to.

5a. As a Christian judge, should I recuse myself from a case involving a MAN OF GOD

Nope, do your job. If he broke the law, he should face the consequences. 1 Peter 2 : 13 Keep [size=20pt]all[/size] the laws of men because of the Lord; those of the king, who is over all

5b.As a Christian judge, should I free a guilty MAN OF GOD

If he broke the law with PROOF... don't, but still respect him either way.

(For Q5a & b, I ask becos proponents of this verse, usually say leave judgement for God who called them)

Refer to the above verse...if he broke the laws of the land, he should answer.

PS:pls don't tell me a MAN OF GOD can't be violent or does no wrong, because we have had case where some did

I've seen Pastors who beat their wives, why can't a pastor steal then? There is every possibility.

pls don't also tell me that no genuine MAN OF GOD Will do those things, that is not the objective of my questions

Those who know the word and live it, work and walk it won't

Kindly provide answers based on the scenarios presented.

I don't like the topic of this thread... is 'proponents' necessary? Your opening remark too

Thanks

Welcome!

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Kenyan28: Seems like am gonna wait forever.

oluwagombs@gmail.com

mail me please or drop yours

Being Born Again · Wednesday, September 24th

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:3).

The term "born again" wasn’t coined by certain denominations as some people think; it was originally used by Jesus to express the necessity for man’s spiritual rebirth. The Lord Jesus used the term when He addressed Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. The expression puzzled Nicodemus, who then sought to know if being "born again" required a man going back into his mother’s womb to be born a second time.

Read the Master’s response in John 3:5-6: "… Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." It’s important to understand the dichotomy of expression when He said, "…except a man be born of water and of the Spirit...." He was dealing with the same substance: spiritual rebirth. The original rendering actually says, "Except a man is born of water, even the spirit." Water is a type of the Spirit.

When you were born of your mother, you were born of the flesh. Hebrews 12:9 talks about the "fathers of our flesh" and the "Father of spirits." Your earthly father is the father of your flesh, but God is the Father of spirits. Your spirit came alive to God when you were born again. The Master was quite emphatic about being born again; He said, "…Ye must be born again" (John 3:7); so it isn’t something to be taken lightly.

If you’re born again, be glad about it, for it means you hail from Zion. David wrote about this in Psalms 87:5. He said, "And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her." David was a prophet of God, and spoke prophetically about Zion, the city of God.

Coming to the New Testament, the Bible says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels" (Hebrews 12:22). You’re now established as a bona fide citizen of God’s own city—Zion. You’re a fellow citizen with the saints, and belong to the household of God (Ephesians 2:19). You’re now an heir of God, and a joint-heir with Christ.

Confession...
I’m a new creation in Christ Jesus, a bona fide citizen of Zion—the city of the living God. I’m no longer a stranger but qualified to be a partaker of the inheritance of the saints in the light. Halleluiah!

Further Study: Ephesians 2:19; Psalms 87:3

1 year Bible reading plan: Ephesians 1:15-2:1-10 Isaiah 13-14
2 year Bible reading plan: 1 Timothy 6:17-21 Jeremiah 42

sonOfLucifer: Who are you?

Jehovah's kid

sonOfLucifer: Embrace your carnality. We were all made to sin. Sin wisely.

Oh! What a lonely sadistic sad sod

Drummaboy, I didn't bother replying your post for they are frivolous as they come. Did you click the link I put a page before? I don't expect you to though, but I know you did. Keep wallowing in your imaginations. The church will keep marching on, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing you or any means can do about it.

Quote me in 5years time...

Meanwhile, keep being bitter

SirJohn: See this hypocrite talking
I didn't call for the challenge, the challenge was thrown to me and what I did was simply accede to it and put up my own proposition along side the challenge based on certain cases that will result in little or no controversy . Your post here even suggested you were warming up to the challenge, maybe you thought Joagbaje would take the bait . Maybe putting up a cash bounty was going too far, and I most sincerely withdraw my cash offer. But I will still be glad to be called upon anytime to witness any healing meeting where any of the cases I mentioned will be ministered to; and if they get healed I will tender an unreserved apology.

Sir, the challenge was to Joagbaje, and your only part was what your reaction would be, not what you would put up for the challenge. You ruined it all though, but I like your honesty, and appreciate your gesture for admitting the bounty was way off. Thank you, and I hope this thread goes a different direction from here.

Kenyan28: I am waiting for your PM.

Yeah, I would, just so busy with staff training. That's why I am on in mornings and nights...we are on break now

Kenyan28: If only u walked one mile in my shoe.

I need not walk in your shoes to have a picture of what you might have gone through and will go through, but what If only you walked in the shoes of the woman with issue of blood in the Bible, maybe you should go study how she got healed, learn about her mindset. I really want your story to change, I really want you healed

Welcome back, but on a serious note, SirJohn, your post and 'bounty' was uncalled for and totally callous. Are we supposed as Christians, to accept a contest just to prove God heals? Even them atheists can't make us do that for reasons obvious in the bible.

All required for a healing is believing that one can be healed by the power in the name of Jesus, through whoever is ministering, not because of cash incentives just to score points.

Kenyan went for that special bait by Sir John, by saying "I dare you" "we could share the 1/2 million naira...looolest" "pray for this kenya girl till she turns negetive". This for me is not one who wants to receive healing, majorly because of "so that we can set a clean rexord for CEC miracle"

SirJohn, Weldone

Well, mwe shouldn't. We no longer have the sin nature... However, only James in the NT Bible called believers sinners, wehn we get to heaven, we'd have to ask him why!

The Importance of Knowledge-Tuesday, September 23rd.

Pastor Chris

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge… (Hosea 4:6).

Sad as this may sound, it’s true nonetheless! God’s people suffer in life, not because they don’t pray enough or love God enough, but because they lack accurate and adequate knowledge of the Word. Reiterating this, the Lord Jesus said in Matthew 22:29, “...Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures….”

When people lack accurate and relevant spiritual information from God’s Word, they experience defeat and failure. This isn’t because they’re “weak” Christians or because God couldn’t deliver them; it’s just the plain and inevitable result of ignorance.

Psalms 82:5-7 is so touching; it describes the debacle and despondency of the one who’s ignorant of his heritage and identity in Christ. It says, “They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.” Pathetic!

Now you can better understand why in the lives of some people, things aren’t just happening the way they should; they’re putting in all the efforts they could, yet, nothing productive is coming out. What’s the problem? Ignorance: they know not, neither do they understand; they walk on in darkness, destroyed by sickness and plummeted by the harsh elements of this world. Is this the lot for the Christian? Emphatically no! The Bible declares “…but through knowledge shall the just be delivered” (Proverbs 11:9). If you have knowledge, there’ll be a difference in your life. The knowledge of God’s Word will build you up, and deliver your God-given inheritance into your hands (Acts 20:32).

If you’ve been wondering why your experiences haven’t been as victorious as the Word describes, you need to spend more time studying and meditating on the Word. Build your faith with the Word of God, for faith comes by hearing (Romans 10:17). As the Word comes to you, don’t just agree by way of mental assent, respond by confessing the same things. Soon enough, you’ll change the situation.

Prayer. ..
Dear Father, I thank you for granting me understanding and insight into your will, purpose and plans as I study your Word. My heart is flooded with wisdom and spiritual understanding, not just to know, but also to walk in your perfect will today and always, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.


Further Study :
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

Proverbs 11:9
An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.


Daily Scripture Reading :

1 YEAR BIBLE READING PLAN:Ephesians 1:1-14 Isaiah 11-12
2 YEAR BIBLE READING PLAN: 1 Timothy 6:1-16 Jeremiah 41

A lil tea break please... Drummaboy, Kunle and their team...have you guys seen this yet?

https://www.nairaland.com/1910720/want-know-what-happen-between#26434912

I wonder when you lot would start apologizing?

Joagbaje: You don't believe. Your invitation was a mockery . You said I should come and pray but you're certain it won't work. If you have that kind of mindset I will be wasting my time and money. I won't come to pray for you to prove anything to you. Jesus won't show a sign to prove anything. The word of God is what I present to you . If you believe and seek him in humility you will have your miracle back.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I concur, Sir John's conditions made mockery of the whole thing

Kenyan28: I am very much ok with it. I'll be waiting eagerly for your PM.

Leave your email here.

I can't drop my email here...would however create one for this purpose. Thanks

WinsomeX: No. It's not OK.

If SirJohn interview and even mine was public, make yours public too.

You have the right to PM her for anything you wish but the interview, even if its private, should be made public.

That's my suggestion.

I never said I wanted to interview her privately, I said I'd wanna pm her first before the interview.

Kenyan28: Gombs, bring it on.

Hello Kenyan, would pm you first. Is that ok?