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Bidam: That is how to run the devils out of town.

#Twale

Goshen should be next!

Goshen360: RUBBISH!!!

I had figured out for long you can't answer to intelligent questioning simply because you have nothing to say.

The only reason you've been going free with what you say is I don't have time for you but perhaps you figured out I have time for you today so you playing games to distract the questioning.

Whatever, suit yourself but I'm here waiting.

You have time now?

Oya answer why you said Melchizedek is long dead and another place you said he is a priest forever

Answer why you said there are no full time pastors in the NT

Answer why you said Melchizedek has parents just that the bible didn't record it and another place you said he had no genealogy?

Answer why you said Mal 3 was written to levitical priests

Answer why you said I and Joagbaje are same

Answer y you won't give me short answer tot these?

Answer why...

Goshen360: Abeg stop this unwashed teeth being outside all the time. Explain what I wanted you explain.

You never wash beans first, yet you come dey percive the smell of moi moi


Start giving the 10% first, after that, the answer to the other 90% would fall in place.

Let me don't remove my unwashed teeth outside o! Time don dey reach for anti tithers to switch to plan B!

Kenny4lyfe: He must be around somewhere!

Yeah! After Bidam resurrected his thread where he wants us to give 1k to help build churches in the North...and help Christians thr....I've not been noticing him around!

He was sore Bidam raised the thread up!



Kunle has been a lot careful not to shoot his foot. All anti tithers have shot themselves on the foot, esp Goshen. It's almost like Goshen shoots his leg for sport

Goshen360: As if you people who advocate tithe have not been shooting yourselves in the leg too.

Imagine someone like Gombs saying Christians should follow Abraham tithing example. Someone went to war and he didn't give tithe BY CHOICE and you telling us giving the rest 90% is by CHOICE because it is freewill.

What kind of deception is that, THAT SAME PERSON DIDN'T HAVE CHOICE TO GIVE TITHE BUT HAVE CHOICE TO GIVE THE REST 90% FROM SAME ITEMS RECOVERED FROM WAR?

What made 90% a choice but doesn't make 10% choice?

You can't even give 10% sef, why worry about the remaining 90%?

Why didn't Abraham give 50% why did moses after 400years did not say 5% or 2%...but 10%?

Goshen360: Tithe advocates now resort to Abraham
tithing by faith. They don't even understand what it
means that if we are of faith, we are seed of
Abraham according to promised Christ BECAUSE
WE HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST WHICH IS THE
PROMISED SEED OF ABRAHAM.
LISTEN, only faith connects a believer to Abraham
THROUGH CHRIST and nothing more. Abraham is a
two-fold man, a patriarch of Jewish nation and
father (spiritual) of us who are of faith.
If you teaching Abraham as Christian example OTHER
THAN FAITH CONNECTION THROUGH SEED OF
CHRIST, you teach we should also do some crazy
stuffs Abraham did.

Goshen o! The verse said


Galatians 3v29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye
Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the
promise.


Didn't you see that Conjecture in bold?
'And' means "in addition to" or "together with"

It is one thing to be Abraham's seed, it is another
thing to have and function in his blessings (the
promise)

The fact that you are Christ's does not make you
function in prosperity, or divine health or any
such...you have to work your self to that promise.

You have to talk it
.

That's why we say the Christian is not the poor
trying to be rich, he is the rich discovering (his
inheritance) how rich he actually is. Many don't
discover it tho.

That's why Luke wrote this words below


Acts 20:32
Amplified Bible (AMP)
32 And now [brethren], I commit you to God [I
deposit
you in His charge, entrusting you to His protection
and
care]. And I commend you to the Word of His grace
[to the commands and counsels and promises of His
unmerited favor]. It is able to build you up and to give you [your rightful] inheritance among all God’s
set-apart ones (those consecrated, purified, and
transformed of soul).


The bible used 'And' not 'Thus' or 'hence'

I've told you that when ever you are studying( I'm
really doubting you do), be mindful of the tenses and
words used.

Kenny4lyfe: #Antithers be like:

Chai
Where is Emmanuel Bassey sef? AKA Christembassey

Goshen360: @ Gombs,

How did Christians be 'priests and kings' in the new testament and how were the priesthood of old testament came to be?

Exodus 19:6
King James Version (KJV)
And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests, a holy nation [consecrated, set apart to the worship of God]. These are the words you shall speak to the Israelites.


From the above, the hebrew manuscript has it as...a Royal-priesthood, folks who did the interpretation dint understand how to put it. A kingdom of priest sounded better

These are the words God told Moses to tell the israelites. They were the first church that failed, the couldn't obey what God said. Moses' numerous Laws were not helping too.
In verse 5, God told them if they will OBEY His voice in truth and keep His covenant then...(Just go read it, plz)

Now Jesus came to the scene and bailed out the old church. The old Church spent 40yrs in the wilderness, Jesus came and replaced it. He did a day representing a year in the wilderness for 40days. He fulfilled that which the old church couldn't do. He then made it possible for all who believes in him to be part of the above verse.

He then begat us of His word, 1peter 1v23. That's why
We Christians are not called to Obey the word as the old church was to, but to DO it. The israelites were called to obey, but failed. Jesus bailed out that Church, and begat us of his Word. Now, obeying the word is diff from doing it. We are of the Word, we act like the word is and what it says. Obeying the word is doing a stipulated laid down laws or rule.

After Jesus did that, it was then necessary to have.a new priest who doesn't die, who lives forever. The Levites couldn't. Jesus became our high priest of that order of priesthood that abides for ever.

we became same as Jesus is. 1John 4v17. A Royal Priest, same as Melchizedek is. And there is a reason why we are a King-Priest

Peter by the Holy Spirit said same, and gave the same reason as Ex 19v6 gave...as why we are King-Priests

1 Peter 2:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;



And John was revealed same in Rev 1v6.

Jesus Paid it all, God revived the church of old, started it again in Jesus, with a better covenant (that was able to save man) a new Priest who abides forever, a diff priesthood, and ALL is done in spirit and truth. No wonder Jesus said God seeks those who will worship him in Spirit and truth (remember Ex 19v5) ....God achieved ALL this in Jesus. The new creation folks are not called the Obey, We are the fruit of Christ's obedience towards the cross. We were built of the word. We are to act as the word is ie DO IT


As for your latter question, that has been discussed here thousands of times

You obviously have dyslexia!


Pls quote me where I said Judah tithed to Abraham o!

I'd advice you go and read CAREFULLY what I typed in Page 0

Notice this line

And see that it says (Mal 3v4), that He will accept the offerings of the people of Judah and Jerusalem ONCE AGAIN as he did in the past.

Question is...why Judah? Why Jerusalem?

The offerings in the latter days will be similar to those when the temple was first built.

Pls show how the above means Judah paid tithes to Abraham!

Na wa o! Judah came into the gist because Jesus is from that tribe o! He is the New priest of the order of Melchizedek from Judah!

Where did say all you typed abv?

Gues you are outta what to say, now you manufacture what to discuss and frame the other person.

I'm done with you, till you put up a worthy question that has not been answered on this thread.

You can't simply answer whether we get new crude oil from refined crude oil.


Cheers!


NB
Be rest assured I'm gonna unfollow your thread if you decide to continuing recycle posts and questions and worse still fabricate a lie and say I said so.

Why are you even asking me whether I'm a Jew or a levite?
Told you I tithe in the faith of Abraham, is Abraham a Jew or Mechizedek a levite?

I'm just glad viewers see a perfect example of how folks recycle posts and already answered questions!

I won't reply to any other recycled question!

BARRISTERS: SEE MY COMMENT AGAIN IN ITALICS,

NEW CRUDE OIL= SAME LEVI TRIBES PRODUCING NEW PERSONS FROM THEIR TRIBE

PRODUCING NEW PERSON(S) FROM THEIR TRIBE, CAN YOU SEE IT?

ANYTHING PRODUCED FROM CRUDE OIL STILL HAVE THEIR ROOT AS CRUDE OIL, DERIVED FROM CRUDE OIL, YOU CANT REFINE RED OIL FOR EXAMPLE AND HAVE PETROL, OR DIESEL, BUT RATHER ADIN OR ADIN-AGBON, EPO-DUDU ETC, YOU CAN TRACE IT TO ITS ROOT DERIVED FROM PALM TREE.

ARE YOU A JEW? NOW PROVE YOURESELF AS A JEW OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI, REFINED BUT STILL HAVE YOUR ROOT/LINEAGE AS A JEW

Answer me, will you get new crude oil from a refined crude oil?

Yes or No shd be fine

Kenny4lyfe: E ma worry egbon mi, aye nse ru ee! Have you forgotten that in naija polimatics if you refine Feee Deee Feee what you'll get is New Feee Deee Feee!
Maybe same applies here according to our dear Barrister! #just_saying

Gbam

^^
This guy actually believe that after refining crude oil ...You get new crude oil!

Mo Gbe o!

BARRISTERS: SIMPLE QUESTION I ASK FROM YOU YOU RAN AWAY! YOUR LONG POST ARE EMPTY AS YOU JUMP FROM ONE THING TO ANOTHER WITHOUT DEFINING THEM,

YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE THE NEW LEVI, ARE YOU A JEW?

If you refine crude oil, will you get a new crude oil?
The way you reason makes me laugh o!

1, [s] HOW COME YOU ARE NOW A REFINED JEWISH PRIEST OF MALACHI 3?

YOU WE ARE HERE TO LEARN, I DONT KNOW OTHERS ON THE THREAD WHO ALSO HAVE POSTED THEIR VIEWS,

2, WHAT IS THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDECK?

IF YOU ARE NOT HERE TO ARGUE CONSTRUCTIVELY BUT TRYING TO FORCE OPINION ON SOMEONE IN THIS AGE?



WHAT IS LEVITICAL TITHE? A TENTH PART OR TENTH PORTION OF INCREASE IN GOODS OR NUMBER 10TH OF ANIMALS THAT CAN PASS UNDER THE ROD, WHICH MEANS IF YOU DONT HAVE INCREASE IN YOUR FARM PRODUCE, OR IF YOU HAVE 9 ANIMALS YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO PAY LEVITICAL TITHE

WHAT IS ABRAHAM'S TRIBUTE, TO MELCHIZEDECK? THE FACT THAT A TENTH PORTION OF GOODS/SPOILS WHICH IS NOT ON INCREASE OR FOLLOW THE RULE OF ANIMALS PASSING UNDER THE ROD, BUT TENTH PORTION OF ALL THE SPOILS WAS GIVEN TO KING MELCHIZEDECK WHICH AS A KING HE IS ENTITLED

JESUS RECOGNISE PAYING TRIBUTES/TAX TO THE KING AS AN OBLIGATION, HE REQUESTED FOR A DENARII COIN TEN ASSES, JESUS PAID TAX USING A DENARIUS,

19 Show Me the tax money.”

So they brought Him a denarius...A denarius (plural denarii) is an ancient Roman coin made of silver. It was originally equal to 10 asses, hence its name.

20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”

21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.”

And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT SOME LIKE GOMBS DONT EVEN KNOW THE MEANING AND DEFINATION OF TITHE, IF NOT KINGS RECEIVE TENTH PART FROM EVERY ONE INCLUDING PAGANS

MELCHIZEDECH IS A KING FIRST, AND A PRIEST. SO ENTITLED TO TAX/TRIBUTES OF THE SPOILS FROM ABRAHAM. SIMPLE
[/s]

I laugh because you use a tithe rule that came 400years after Abraham has left the earth to jugde his tithe deed to Melchizedek....u dey try o!
Jesus paid tax, because that was the law of the day, then, they were under Roman rule.

I asked you, why didn't Abraham pay tax to King of Sodom? Abi that king no follow for authentic Kings?

guiddoti: Are the ushers, sunday school teachers and many more, full time employee of the church? If no. They have no portion. They can only be given portion, as to support them, if they are financially down or as a worker in need
I'ii have you study the epistle of paul's. The law of tithing was never abolished. If you have not being paying it, I beg you start. Also read the book of malachi chapter 3 to the end.

Hello sir, you must be new here! Thank you for your conviction on tithing. However, never be swayed by any doctrine that discourages a form of giving to God. Never subscribe to it. Why? Because the Devil WILL NEVER tempt you to give in the House of God.

As regards trying to convince anybody who disagrees with tithing, you would just end up wasting your time.

What Goshen is telling you has been treated in over 1000pages of NL tithe threads. What Barrister and truthslight is asking me has been answered on this thread. All they do is recycle their post and questions.
That's why I leave viewers to decide on what road they wanna thread

For example, I've told him Jesus and his disciples left their Jobs and was in full time ministry...I asked him, whr did the monies that was in Judas' bag come from?
And he just said their was nothing like full time pastor in the New testament. I hope he could tell me what trade Peter and John had after following Jesus.

The good part of it all though is, they always find a way of shooting themselves in the foot
There is always inconsistency with them. For example, Goshen here said Melchizek was born of a woman and man, just that the bible did not record it! He also said the man was/is long dead and never resurected totally against what the bible said that Melchizedek has no beginning of day nor end of life.

www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/22

But years back, same Goshen said Melchizedek had NO genealogical
Line and he is a priest forever.

www.nairaland.com/903159/really-melchizedek
(Hope he doesn't go and edit the post I don screen grab am sha )

In this thread, Drummerboy said Melchizedek had a 'religious capacity' , I asked him what religion? He also said Melchizedek is from the Order of Jesus!

Another folk here said Melchizedek was a king and was entitled to a tax, a tax which Abraham paid as tithe

Goshen also said Mal 3 was not for Christians even after it has been explained that the new creation folks were the refined priests Mal 3 was talking about. And how mal 3 talked about things of today!

I could go on and on and name the rest folks...

Why are they always inconsistent? Because, Jesus said whatsoever that is not planted by my father shall be uprooted! They can't keep consistency on what they say because it is not founded on the Word of God which is same yesterday, today and forever!
Ok, let's just say they made mistakes as in they didn't study well! (imagine)
They sadly fulfill this scripture

Romans 1 Amp

22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].


I could go on and on. But, all I wanna say is, hold fast to what you believe in, hundreds of million of people who tithe are not dumb or less studious of the bible or too stoopid to think that tithing is abolished.


if you wanna argue with them, as you are new here, be careful, or to stay on the safe side, ignore them and watch them from afar. they will lay a snare for you, and when you fall, they will use it against your stand.

And nearly all anti tithers have something in common ...they might later on insult you and all they can lay hands on as the thread goes on. Its a prophecy from me!

Anyways! Have a happy sunday. And remain blessed.

The God-life In You · Sunday, November 17th ·

Pastor Chris

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God (1 John 5:11-13).


Observe the tenses carefully in our theme scripture; they emphasize that everyone who’s born again already has eternal life. It’s something God has already made available in Christ Jesus; if you’re born again, eternal life is your present-hour possession.

Eternal life is the "God-life"—Zoë (Greek); it refers to the essence or character of divinity. Now, Philemon 1:6 points out an important faith-principle; it says, "That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus." It brings to mind the words of the Apostle John in 1 John 5:13. It says, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life…."

When you were born again, you were born of the Spirit, and your human life was supplanted by the God-life. You need to become aware of this reality; it has to become a present-hour consciousness in your spirit that you have the God-life. This life can’t be infected by sickness or disease, because it’s the very life of God.

The Lord Jesus talked about this life when He said, "...As the Father has life (Zoë) in Himself, so hath He given to the Son to have life (Zoë) in Himself" (John 5:26). In other words, the life that Jesus has in Him is the same life God has, and that’s the life that’s in you now. This life is immune to failure, defeat, and death! It’s the supernatural life, and God wants you to have, and live with, the full knowledge that you have His divine life in you.

Confession  

I’m a success; I’m immune to defeat and failure. I can never be disadvantaged, because I’m an associate of the Godkind; I manifest the excellence of the Spirit. The life of God in me makes me superior to the devil and all his works. Glory to God!

f u r t h e r s t u d y: John 10:10; 2 Peter 1:3-4

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Hebrews 13, Jeremiah 34-35

2 Year Reading Plan : John 12:30-41, 1 Chronicles 17

pontirock: Rigin tins

So far ngige will loose, let pdp rig it o!

Imagine Tinubu making his daughter or gate man's daughter or daughter in law the Iya loja of Onitsha market!...don't be surprised...Tinubu would dare that stunt

Imagine Rochas, Tinubu, and of all people Buhari in Anambra state on a weekly or even daily basis

Biko, u guys should not let Awolowo laugh at Ojukwu na! Tufiakwa

I dont care who wins, but definitely not APC.... I trust my Njikoka folks, they did me proud....cant wait to hear from Berem, after APGA make Ngige a serial election looser like that my friend from Katsina

Can't imagine Tinubu using Anambra to pick his teeth....

Chukwu ekwekwana ka ngwere gba aji

A New Parentage · Saturday, November 16th ·

Pastor Chris

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly (1 Corinthians 15:48).


The Bible tells us in the book of Genesis how God formed Adam, the first man, from the dust of the ground and breathed life into his nostrils to become a living soul. However, the Bible described him as "earthy" because he was of the earth and possessed the natural human life: "The first man is of the earth, earthy…" (1 Corinthians 15:47).

We’re however introduced to the Second and Last Adam, Jesus Christ: "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" (1 Corinthians 15:45). This Second and Last Adam, whose icon we are, is the Lord from heaven. Unlike the first Adam, He’s a life-giving Spirit. Now that you’re born again, the life in you isn’t the same as what you got from your biological parents. There’s a new parentage; Jesus Christ is now your root; you’re connected to, and born from, the Second and Last Adam.

Your ties with the first Adam have been severed completely and forever. Colossians 3:3 says, your life is hidden with Christ in God; in other words, your life is in Christ, and Christ is your life (Colossians 3:4). This means that the first life, which was terrestrial—of the earth—has been supplanted by the life of Christ, which is celestial: "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven" (1 Corinthians 15:47). No wonder, Jesus said, "...I am from above…" (John 8:23).

Just as we have borne the image of the first Adam, it’s our responsibility to bear the image of the Second Adam. We’re to put on the new image of our new nature in Christ; how? By simply saying, "Yes" to God’s Word. For example, 2 Corinthians 5:17 says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Your response should be, "that’s who I am; a new creation in Christ, and I’ve put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Christ that created him."

Confession  

Dear Father, I thank you for the miracle of the new creation. My life is from above, therefore, I’m free from the corrupting influences of this world. I’ve put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Colossians 3:9-10; 2 Corinthians 3:18

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Hebrews 12:14-29, Jeremiah 33

2 Year Reading Plan : John 12:20-29, 1 Chronicles 16

Macof, Bidam simply asked how your god came to be, and you are just dodging him.

I wanna add, where does your god stay, did he create the universe? And how? Did he create man? Does he...

Answer the above first

Kenny4lyfe: Wow! That's my pastor @9! #evercute I love it

Yes o!...his hairdo and white shirts never changed.....awesome aint it?

Bidam: could you pls answer my question before i attend to urs? Thanks.

I tire o!

Arcsniper: Nothing like idol.
Do you just expect me to believe in Jesus.who is he?where does he comes from?my grandfather told me that he is Jesus Christ,so i can't worship my grandfather.

If u guys weren't born as xtians am sure u wouldn't have been a xtian.most of you are xtains cos ur fathers and mothers are xtians.

.you said mcof is worshipping idols,that fine,whenever he calls on them they answer him.whenever i call on Jesus he doesn't answer.

The people performing signs and wonders got dia powers from those things u call IDOLS.
the thing u called bible,are written by people like you,they add and remove whatever you like.

that is why i always say, thank God i Knew Christ...if not, i would have been somewhere typing what you just typed.
you can never understand Christianity with the senses, nor with your thoughts, that is why Christianity is not a religion. you dont see that macof dont see his god when he calls, yet believe him for protection and all, abi his god physically shows up in times of need?, yet u question why i believe Jesus?


And BTW, below is pastor Chris at 9

it is not an African thing and, i would not encourage it, though there is nothing wrong with it...

OLAADEGBU: Are you still waiting for a sign?

you answered him as Jesus would!

Bidam: Can you tell us how your idol showed himself

nice question, which I'd carefully and eagerly wait for an answer


his idol or his god must be an interesting talk for the evening

frosbel: And this is the precise reason why you are so confused and deceived, following men and not Jesus.

so Paul that you quote daily, should i then say you are following him or Jesus?

he is simply quoting powerful words that projects our faith in Christ, is that not allowed in Jehova's Witnessism?

DrummaBoy: @ Gombs

Hebrew 7:8 from a number of translations:



By looking at the verse 8 from other versions of the scripture, we see that the issue you wanted to make out of the matter of PLURAILITY is a non issue at all.

hope u know that the pronoun THEM is a third person plural? the bible did not not say IT which is a third person singular pronoun, but THEM....are you saying the amplified got a wrong translation of that verse?

DrummaBoy: It all depends on the version you are using; the plurality disappears in the more original and authentic KJV, along with the NIV.

so the amplified is not 'original' and 'authentic' ? hmmm... but the kjv used the word THEM not IT...it is important u notice the tenses used in the bible.

DrummaBoy: But let us even allow that that word was translated as plural. Do you realize that Melchizedek as King and Priest could not have collected tithes from Abraham alone.

abraham started tithing...he did that in Faith... if folks did offering in faith, why not tithing? and hey!...abraham was a patriach

DrummaBoy: In his royal and religious capacity

what religion?

DrummaBoy: he would have collected tithes from other people too

which people? religious folks? what religion?

DrummaBoy: whether they were giving the tithes on religious or customary bases. Also, that text makes it clear that when Abraham gave his tithes, he was not the only one giving the tithe, his descendants that included Levi, Aaron and even Jesus (from the tribe of Judah) was giving a tithe - thus the need to put that tithes in the plural.

did levi, aaron and all physically gave tithes to Melchizedek? now u are getting my point, that is what i said, that it is in continuity because folks gave tithe through the patriarch abraham, to melchizedek. you see? that is why it is in plurality,
heb 7v9-10 amp
9A person might even say that Levi [the father of the priestly tribe] himself, who received tithes (the tenth), paid tithes through Abraham,
10 For he was still in the loins of his forefather [Abraham] when Melchizedek met him [Abraham].

...that is why the priesthood of levi was revoked so that folks under the better order of melchizedek can offer the sacrifices (give offerings) themselves in righteousness (Mal 3)

DrummaBoy: So my friend you have not brought out anything new by showing us that something was written in the plural. To suggest that because verse 8 read:"...while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually]" , then Jesus who is of the Order of Melchizedek is now collecting tithes from Christians is to be saying something that that text never said - except, of course, on TBN. What does that text say?

you dont have to lie on what i didnt say na, i said we pay tithe to the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek. quote me where i said Jesus is collecting tithes.

DrummaBoy: Melchizedek is introduced in this text and his royal and religious role is defined, all in the bid to make one statement - that he resembled the Son of God; his office was in the order of Jesus.

wrong... Jesus was of Melchizedek's order...get the difference

heb 7v 11
11 Now if perfection (a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper) had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood—for under it the people were given the Law—why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, [size=16pt]one after the order of Melchizedek[/size], rather than one appointed after the order and rank of Aaron?

DrummaBoy: Now, another point that the writer is trying to make here is to show how great this man must have been. He was king, priest, he blessed Abraham and then Abraham gave a tenth to him - he really must have been a great man!

he was a priest of most high God, he was king of righteousness and king of peace...titles familiar huh?

DrummaBoy: Again making the point that this man Melchizedek was a great man but in the light of another revelation; his ministry is compared to that of the Levites - the Levites collected tithes and he is also seen here collecting tithes.

did any levite priest bring up a significant bread and wine at any time? did they live forever? dont they have parents?.

DrummaBoy: Now while Levi collected tithes, and this man collected tithes; Levi paid a tithe to this man, through his father Abraham. So this man, Melchi and Levi cannot be on the same level. Melchizedek has to be spirituallly greater than Levi to have collected a tithe from him. Now, those of us who are not Jews cannot appreciate this statement but the Hebrews does. Like in the days of Jesus, the High Priest desending from Levi, was the highest spiritual authority in the land. If anyone could show from scripture, like the writer of Hebrew is doing, that there is a higher spiritual authority, which authority is likened to that of Jesus, then they could appreciate this man Jesus. Do not forget that the Jews did not accept our Lord's ministry and in a bid to win the them to Christ, the writer here has to use an anology that they could understand - Melchizedek.

There is no way one can read these texts, without a tithe prejudiced mind, and not see this. There is nothing in that text that says or can be implied to say that "Melchizedek priesthood is in the order of Christ's and so since Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek, Christians or even the Hebrews, must now pay tithes to Melchizedek or to Jesus". The truth of the matter is that NT worship is worship in the spirit. Union with Christ. The merit of our actions is found in the merit of Christ's action. If Jesus was in the loins of Abraham as a bonafide son of Judah, then Jesus paid the tithes in Abraham and he has effectively paid the tithes for us all. That is the doctrine of the NT, that everything concerning the laws of Moses and any other demand from God be it Circumcision, Sabbath, Firstfruits, Tithing, Sin offerings, etc, have been carried out by Jesus on our behalf. When we believe in Him, we identify with His righteousness and it is imputed on us. We are not under any obligation to keep these rules and regulations. All that is left of us is to follow the Spirit that commands us to walk in love. Love is giving and in this case free will giving as God established in Exodus 25 and as Paul confirmed in 2 Corinthians 9:7

did Jesus condemn or recommend tithing?

DrummaBoy: This is the conclusion of the matter: Perfection has come through Jesus and we need not submit to any other order of priesthood.

wrong, Jesus is our high priest, under the order of Melchizedek... now u are a royal priesthood, under what order?

DrummaBoy: In Jesus every child of God is a priest. Priest were not known to pay or give both pre and during the law and it is not going to happen after the law.

DrummaBoy: Now let me warn you before I let this matter rest because I see you Gombs as a scorner and one who loves to play to the gallery: desist from this ministry because it is a ministry of death and it earns God's wrath. Like I told Bidam in another thread (and this is not a curse or threat, I don't engage in all that kind of witchcraft) God Himself ended the levithical priesthood.

u shd consider a career in comedy
yeah, God ended the levitical priesthood, he set up another from a tribe of Judah, which u and i belong to, and that order receives tithes forever

DrummaBoy: Hebrews was written in about 64AD. 70 AD the Romans got tired of the intransigence of the Jews and sent Titus to destroy Jerusalem. Just as Jesus prophesied in Luke 19 and Matthew 24, Jerusalem was ransacked and destroyed. The Jews were displaced into the nation and there was no nation called Israel on earth until 1948. By the time the Jews returned to their land, while some could trace their lineage to other tribes, no one could trace his lineage to the tribe of Levi. What that implies is that no one could act as a High Priest talk less as a levite, etc. Thier complete lineage was destroyed. It makes sense bc there cannot be two high priests in the land: Jesus and another. Now, with priest and levites, there was no one to pay a tithe to. Check it anywhere: Jews do not pay tithe today!

save the history lecture for newbies

DrummaBoy: [b] It is then fool hardy to find those who should know better, collecting ten percent of people's salary in the name of collecting tithes. [/b]What God Himself destroyed and ensured that the laws are changed, some are trying to restore. Do you see you are on a collision course with something greater than yourself?

DrummaBoy: I rest my case. The Yorubas have a proverb: "You only tell half truth to a sensible person; when it gets into him, it becomes whole". A word is enough for the wise.

Cheers.

your opinions are duly noted...like i said, i was never trying to convince you

cheers mate!

hello Goshen, i dont distribute the rest 90% because it is free willed...if i like i will, it is my choice to give it out, it was Abraham's choice to give his out, me i might decide to give mine out, simple thought

2. You tithe BASED ON THE LAW but turn around to claim your tithe is according to Abraham's example. Abraham didn't tithe for windows of heaven to open to him nor for him to be blessed. He was blessed and RICH BEFORE he tithe. Also, Melchizedek didn't show up to RECEIVE TITHE FROM ABRAHAM, HE SHOWED UP TO BLESS. Abraham was pronounced BLESSED first, not tithing in order to be blessed.

yeah, he was blessed by God before the tithe, question is who taught him about tithing? now, that is what i call a man of faith. same as Drummerboy can not tell me who taught Abel how to give an offering, and how he did it in faith. it is surely not a coincidence that he gave tithe to a high priest as Melchizedek and 400years later, Moses adopted tithing too.

Abraham was already a blessed man before he met Melchizedek, go and study.

heb 7v6 But this person who has not their Levitical ancestry received tithes from Abraham [himself] and blessed him who possessed the promises [of God].

He met a man who did something significant (go study it too), bringing bread and wine for their nourishment, Why? the bible said because he was a priest and that the lesser is blessed of the greater, what then made Melchizedek greater?...and Abraham did something, in faith (because that man did all he did in faith) he gave a tenth, not 90%, not 50%, but 10%... question is,

why did the bible pluralize the tithe Abraham gave..

Hebrews 7

8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], [size=16pt]they are received[/size] by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].

since Abraham was the only one who physically tithed to Melchizedek, why didnt the bible use IT WAS?
let me give you a clue
Heb 7

12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity an alteration of the law [concerning the priesthood] as well.

it is pluralized because from above verse, there was a change in the law that said only Levites could be priests. Jesus is a priest from Judah (confirming the change in the law that said ONLY levites could be priests), and Jesus is of the same order of priesthood as Melchizedek who received tithes, meaning ALL who are Christ's, those same folks are Abraham's offspring AND spiritual heirs according to what? according to the promise (Gal 3v29), when they pay their tithes, it goes to that order of priesthood Abraham tithed to, which is forever. that is why tithes and offerings are eternal principle. that is why Abraham's tithing was pluralized


now, i didnt write the above to convince you, i wrote it for viewers of this page. u will probably never pay tithes, and i will never stop tithing, so let us leave it at that, and let those who need to learn to learn. to choose what road they wanna thread.

thanks.

It Begins From Your Spirit · Friday, November 15th ·

Pastor Anita

Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life (Proverbs 4:23).

Often in the scriptures, heart is used in lieu of spirit and the reason is clear. Just as the physical heart is the operational centre of the human body, so also the spirit is the controlling centre of human existence. Everything about your life actually originates from your spirit. Success or failure, wealth or poverty, excellence or mediocrity will emanate from a man’s spirit.

Your mind is the door to your spirit. That’s why whatever words and thoughts you allow to go through your mind, unchecked, will be deposited in your spirit. This is the reason you have to sift what goes through your mind to your spirit. Every day, we hear words, see things, and receive all kinds of information, positive and negative alike. You’re required to mount guard on your heart and not allow your spirit receive and process the wrong information.

If, for example, you heard that there’s trouble in the economy or that recession is setting in, and there’s hardship everywhere, don’t be perturbed, because you’re not of this world. Refuse to process such negative information; don’t dwell on it. Rather, you should say, "I refuse to fret or be anxious, because I function in the realm of superabundance. I’m an heir of God and a joint heir with Christ. I function above the economies and economics of this world."

If you give wrong thoughts access into your heart, they’ll instil fear in you. So, keep vigilant watch over your heart. Embrace only thoughts of success, victory, health, prosperity, happiness and fulfilment that come from God’s Word.

Prayer

Dear Father, I thank you for your Word that gives me the right information to think and meditate upon; your Word continually finds its home in my heart, is effectual and effective in me, and produces everything it talks about, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Luke 6:45; Philippians 4:8
Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Hebrews 12:1-13, Jeremiah 31-32

2 Year Reading Plan : John 12:12-19, 1 Chronicles 15

BARRISTERS: @Gombs

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[img]COMPARE HEBREWS 7:26-27 YOU ARE TALKING OPPOSITE,

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself

BROTHER, JESUS DOES NOT NEED BURDENSOME FIXED OFFERINGS AGAIN BECAUSE IT WILL AMOUNT TO DUPLICATION ......"for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself"


JESUS DEATH WILL BE LOSING ITS SIGNIFICANCE IF WE STILL BURDEN OURSELF ON FIXED MATERIAL AND PHISICAL OFFERINGS AND NOT THE SPIRITUAL GOOD BEHAVIOR TO OTHERS AND SHOWING TRUE LOVE AS FINE OFFERINGS OF CONDUCT ACCEPTABLE TO THE LORD [/img]






PLEASE Gombs, STATE YOUR OPINIONS AND STOP CANCELLING OTHERS POST WHILE QUOTING THEM LIKE YOU DID TO ajayikayod

Oga, Jesus' death was a sacrifice for redemption...for remission of sin.

The priest of old offered bulls n all for atonement of sins, get the diff., that's what that verse is saying.
Stop reading the bible up side down.

As for your other post, u said melchizedek was a king and was entitled to tax..... didn't you read there was also another king of sodom? Why didnt he pay tax there too? Instead he dash the king stuffz....and hey, you also said he was a priest and was entitled to offering..... na wa o!

U guys shd see how folks can get confused! Goshen help you comrade out na, he should go study how many kings were present then, and he should know that, I don't intend to argue....

And why bring farm produce that was stipulated under Moses' law, was Abaraham a Jew? Una dey try sha o!

Pastor Kun: What kind of DAFT analogy is this I am even more shocked that a couple of dolts went on to 'like' the rubbish stated therein

Allow viewers to chose for themselves....it appears you are the only smart one here.

Good morning mr Kunle.