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2, @ Alwaystrue,

Christ was 'Grace' in the midst of or born under the law. The people's mindset is Moses and the law. He came to tell them, "I'm he that the law pointed to". Hence, the need for change and appoint the 12 that will carry on what was establish for the change that is to come after he would have declared, "it is finished".

I will continue to point #3...make I no loose the point again.

Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^^ ,
@Goshen, lol. Na you sabi o.

Seriously, I mean it. That post I lost typing from my phone was powerful. Seriously. Okay, I will compose again.

First, you need flush the institutionalized church teachings out of your word knowledge and carefully scrutinize most of their teachings that was taught. Many of them including this tithe thing are genuine error, not intentional.

That what what I first said in the lost post. I will continue to point #2

@ Alwaystrue,

I lost a post I was going to reply you. E pain me small o. let me see if I can compose another one.

Alwaystrue: When you understand the purpose and reason behind a principle, it will be easy to act on it in spirit. Abraham met Mechizedek, the priest of the Most High God, when returning from battle and was blessed of Melchizedek and Abraham gave a tenth (Heb.7:4,6).

Abraham tithing is NOT same as tithing 'under the law' and he did it ONCE! Most of us anti-tithers today have tithed MORE THAN ONCE, can you honestly say we have followed example of ABRAHAM? In fact, he was still Abram then - just like things you used to do in your old or carnal ways following the traditions of men. That was what Abraham did. Nowhere else in scriptures did he tithe because it was customary practice then to give tithe, NOT compulsory as you people teach today from the pulpit and raining MALACHI's curse on believers that Christ died to take away curses of the law from them and leave them with blessings.

Alwaystrue: Afterwards, God said the tithe shoule be receivedby the Levite priests for the service they serve...Numbers 18:21.

By now with the way you have heard some teachings on this forum, you should be ashamed to say something in the open. You're paralleling Abram's tithe with tithing 'under the law'. Are they the same? You're making it sound as if Abraham's tithing was a foundation and God later formalize the Abraham's tithe for people 'under the law'. Tell us where 'spoils from war' is acceptable under the law if God was to be formalizing the Abraham tithe for the people of the law. What Abraham gave wasn't what he worked for but the people of the law worked for their tithe items. And by the way, when or where did God God changed from 'levites are to receive tithe' to 'pastors are to receive tithe'?

Alwaystrue: In the New Testament, we see Jesus give perfect balance to the way tithe should be given because Jesus words are spirit and life:

Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

You're insulting the blood of Christ by calling the church of Jesus Pharisee. Don't read who Christ was talking to? And where in the world did you read that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the new testament? Christ was still 'under the law' and the law wasn't fulfilled yet plus he was talking to pharisees not even his disciples that will later carry on his messages established under the law. Know ye know that anyone who picks ONE of the commandments of the law is indebted to DO THE WHOLE LAW? It wasn't the disciples of Christ that was tithing in that verse but pharisees.

Alwaystrue: Paul also said the below:
I Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Inference! That's what you're interpreting here. Paul comparing how people of old were being taken care to the those who preach the gospel. We know where and what the people who minister from holy things partake from. If you're saying Paul meant tithe in that context, then you're under obligate to SHOW US WHERE THE LORD ORDAINED IT because Paul said, the Lord ordained it so.

Alwaystrue: When you understand the principle for what you are doing, it will not be an offence to you to tithe as it helps the work of the ministry along with other forms of giving to others. Loving one's neighbour covers everyone, family, friends, poor & needy, ministers of the gospel like those in your local church & in missions who I believe you love as well and deserve wages.

This is one thing you tithe preacher like to hide under - PRINCIPLE. What is principles and what is commandment? Is tithing a principle or a commandment? You people keep confusing folks because of money. I have never read where tithing is a principle in the scripture. If you know of one, please show it.

Alwaystrue: Another way which I also see is that when I give generally, it is a sign that I am blessed because it is from what I have that I can give. And I thank God and appreiciate Him for passing His blessings through me to also give to others and because the Lord will not leave a vacuum, He channels more through me.

Now you talking! Giving is different from tithing! You don't need a commandment to give, it is an inbuilt of your new nature and even unbelievers give. Giving is living but tithing is not. The New Testament makes it clear that giving is NOT the same as tithing.

Xvalier: Actually I am yet to hear any pastor teach on tithe. Yes they love the application in Malachi but that is not a teaching on Tithe, just a warning from Malachi to the Jews.

Tithing is taught mainly in The book of Levicticus and Numbers, in which you see that :

(1) No correlation exists between the One tenth that Abraham paid to Melchizedek and the tithe demanded by The Mosaic Law

(2) The scripture depicts 3 types of tithing, so you in the Church Age would have to ask which one of the three types you are paying


God commanded Israel to bring tithes (Lev. 27:30–34), a form of national taxation. The word “tithe” means “a tenth.” Old Testament tithes
were levied upon Jewish believers and unbelievers alike. The amount was ten percent of what one owned or received for one’s labors.
There were several tithes: a tax for the maintenance of the Levites(Num. 18:21, 24); a tax for the national feasts and sacrifices (Deut.14:22–27);
and a tax every third year used for the poor and destitute of the land (Deut. 14:28–29). Three taxes or three tithes!

Even 'under the law', Abraham's tithe\tithing is NOT acceptable - spoils from wars are forbidden under the law tithing. There's so much confusion all because men have become lovers of money. That's what people get when they mix grace and law together. The 'under the law' system is NOT perfect and so the worshipers cannot and will never be perfect - there's always a lope hole to make merchandise of the people but teach grace, there's no room for manipulations. Glory to God!

mitwitdot: Please can anyone defend tithing in the new testament's context, based on logic and biblical principles without quoting "malachi 3"?

There's absolutely nothing as such for the NT Christians and early Apostles\church.

Ovamboland: But why would he say christian tithing is based on the Abram's example and still in the same breathe quote Malachi which is not connected to this example but part of the Mosaic law

That's the nonsense they teach - they say tithing existed before the law and they cannot but quote the law tithing to hold onto that error. The law dispensation at the cross of Christ and the new testament began. Indeed, the church of Jesus need the truth that brings freedom!

^ Great Grace, Great POWER to your heritage in CHRIST!

^Broda mi, E ku ise OLUWA o. Oba oke a ma s'agbara d'otun o.

MostHigh: That is like building a house with no foundation

Old testament is the exact same as saying OLd God

God never changes.

God is the same but let me make it eternally clear to you, the NEW IS NOT THE SAME AS OLD EVEN THOUGH THE REVELATION OF THE NEW BEGAN WITH THE OLD. THE CROSS OF CHRIST IS THE GREAT DIVIDER AND MAKES THE DIFFERENCE BTW THE OLD AND THE NEW. They're completely different sir - God Himself said so!

I nefa start dey show you scriptures you know...

Bidam, first I, from the light of scriptures do have issues with anyone NOT ministering the new testament. This is mot to mean we can't quote or teach the old testament but what is the complete revelation of the old we quote or teach in the light of the new?

Jman05,

Grace and truth that came by our Lord Jesus Christ be MULTIPLIED unto you!

SMH @ twisted versions of bidam n JesusisLord

Na whaooooooooooooooo.

Bidam: The proper english phrase you should use is End Goal not goal to end.

Romans 10:4 ...'For Christ is the "END GOAL" of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.'

Paul wasn't meaning that Christ brought a literal end to the law of God. He meant that Christ IS THE END OBJECTIVE of the law.

Good! If Christ is the END GOAL and\or THE END OBJECTIVES of the law, what does that mean? This is the best shot of scriptures you will ever have here. Doesn't it mean the law has an END OBJECTIVES and that end objective is CHRIST. Doesn't it mean, the law's end objectives is to end up in CHRIST - pointing to Christ? Doesn't it mean when one comes to CHRIST, the end objectives of the law is completed and is no longer needed? Doesn't it mean the law was to be a guardian UNTIL Christ should come? Doesn't it mean that as many as are in Christ, the law have been completed\ended its objectives? Doesn't it mean that when that END GOAL or OBJECTIVES are reached or fulfilled, such law is terminated, null and void? Now that the END OBJECTIVES or END GOAL of the law has been reached in CHRIST, what do you still need that law for? To retain you in Christ?

You're going from Lagos to Ibadan and your end objective is to get to Ibadan. You called a taxi and he drove you to Ibadan. Now your END OBJECTIVES is reached (to get to Ibadan); please tell us, do you still need the service of a taxi-man? You left Nigeria for the UK and now you living in UK, what law and\or constitution do you obey? UK or Nigeria? Christians lived UNDER a better covenant, NOT under the law because they now have the indwelling of the Spirit, replacement of the guardians of the law, Galatians 5:18; you're just simply not getting this simple truth. A GREAT CHANGE HAD HAPPENED SINCE THE TIME OF THE OUTPOURING OF THE SPIRIT - THE HOLY SPIRIT HAD REPLACED THE ROLE OF THE LAW GUIDING FOLKS UNDER THE LAW AND WHEN A BELIEVER IS LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, SUCH ARE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF MOSES NOR ARE THEY UNDER THE LAW.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to the Law.

New Living Translation
But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But if you are led by The Spirit, you are not under The Written Law.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
If your spiritual nature is your guide, you are not subject to Moses' laws.

Galatians 5:18

YOU CAN'T BE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND AT THE SAME TIME BE LED BY THE LAW. That's what Galatians 5:18 is saying. Read it again and understand. Led by the Holy Spirit = NOT under the law, not subject to the law. Flip the coin and see the other side: Being under the law or subject to the law = NOT led by the Spirit.

In other words, the law was our ·guardian [child-minder; tutor; an attendant slave who watched over a child in a wealthy Greco-Roman household] ·leading us to [or until] Christ so that we could be ·made right with God [declared righteous; justified] through faith. 25 Now ·the way of faith [L faith] has come, and we no longer live under a ·guardian [child-minder; tutor; v. 24]. Expanded Bible (EXB); Galatians 3:24-25

Amplified Bible (AMP)
24 So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith. 25 But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).



New Living Translation
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
4 For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him.

Romans 10:4

manmustwac: @all
am really sincerely touched by the posts by all you regulars posters in the religion section concerning the matter but like i said in an earlier post i really said something that i should not have said and so have to suffer the consequences. It was just out of annoyance and sheer frustration concerning Christ Kids complaint about his topic that the whole issue started. Thanks a lot guys

Okay, @ Seun,

MMW had said it again. He meant no harm and accept his error due to annoyance and frustration. Allow this matter in a mature and peaceful manner. Kindly allow MMW to continue his job. God bless you.

^ Bros, abeg PM me immediately with your mobile contact again. Its urgent!

^ Kindly PM your contact again NOW....its urgent! Thanks

ooman: There is something Seun is not telling us, perhaps Mac has threatened his life again..considering today is the muslims day

Sure, something going on behind closed doors and we shouldn't bother much about that if we are not told. What should matter now is, Seun should resolve this matter peacefully without sacrificing one for the one.

On the other hand, MMW admitted saying things he shouldn't have said. That's enough showing he admitted his fault and on that ground, a soft disciplinary action is okay NOT a removal.

@ Seun, again, kindly settle this matter peacefully and restore MMW to his position. Thank you!

Well, @ Seun,

All I will say for now reading your comments is, let this matter be resolve maturely between you guys - You, MMW & Mac. We cannot be dragging this matter back and forth. Everyone knows MMW made that statement AFTER he was removed. If there's something going on behind closed doors, you should resolve it peacefully NOT to discipline one person and spare the other. The one na two fighting matter naw. How you come beat one pikin and spare the other. Think about it! Kindly allow MMW back to his position.

Thank you!

Bidam: Don't mind these scoffers. The so called spirit of the law they claim to have is lacking in their lives.Anyway i don't have the release in my spirit to continue.God is dealing with me on another matter so i might not be on nairaland 24\7.

Okay, I understand the moves of the Spirit. You know I joke somethings and today happens to be my joke day. No vex. Please proceed whenever the Spirit 'release' you. Thank you!

Bidam: Like i said earlier i don't have the luxury of time. I can see mockers here.Hell hath indeed opened it's mouth wide.Let their conscience judge them.If dead too bad. I am done here if it's going to be one sided.You can continue your falsehoods.It's your thread anyway.#shake the dust of his feet#

Look at you, don't tell me you're not man enough o. When you and your gangs them dey shoot missile to we grace teachers, you see us run? You try run make I see you, I will catch you for another thread. You think you can run from this hot seat wey shdemidemi place you? E don tay you don dey yarn this 'principle' of a thing, at least make we too partake of it naw abi na only you the principle dey work for ni. After all, tithe is 'principle' for you! LWKMD o

DrummaBoy: Thanks my broda

Your absence is being felt in this place and nature abhors vacuum; pls find time off work and help out here O. Before NL religious section becomes Judaism.

I sure will. But seriously, you write more than I do. I troway salute bro. And less I forget, LWKMD real hard @ Torah lo, tooro ni...

Boomark: @bidam
i don't understand this kind of foundation. I wish to stand on a solid one.

Bros ehh, I don laf tire o. LWKMD!!! As in eh, you no wan sink based on Bidam's principles. LWKMD!!! Bidam, you see wetin your foundation don cause for guys?

Grammar Police:

Why you dey screen play role? Your fone no dey type error? Yeyenatu!

Logicboy03: Sorry guys....just been drinking....happy sallah or eid.....watever....

I know say no be with ordinary eyes you dey type those words...shekpe in action!

Logicboy03: Lol....I am not one of your church warden boys that you scold for sagging and cutting mohawk haircut like Wizkid.

Bidam: BEEN BUSY. I don't have time luxury on nairaland na.There are weightier matters to attend to.

Weightier matters like TITHE AND TITHING, justice,mercy and ...

@ D'Boy,

Blessed art thou amongst the disciples Jesus loved. Great and good contending works.

Logicboy03: Lol......pastor Goshen insulting another mans mumsy........dem tell u for dream say my momsy na illiterate villager?

Pharisee Goshen

You see when people tell you the truth, you take it as insult. Where did I mentioned your momsy in my statement? You talking matters arising here and you went off the topic, start talking about a lady's bossom. Isn't that an insult on its own? Young man, be careful things you say, jokes apart and there's time for everything.

Logicboy03: Is this your way of telling me that your bosoms are also suckable?



There is something called “comic relief” during a tragedy or serious situation......Dont worry, I know, you are not used to having smart boyfriends....#say no to old sugar daddies

Shut that your stinking mouth. Aren't you tired of talking and people covering their nose? Doesn't that tell you your mouth odor is offensive? Stop these your bullying on ladies here and show some courtesy mehn!