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Goshen360: @ Bidam, Ayomivic & utah,

I will take time out to respond fully\intensively to all your worries and questions.

Bidam: Pls do, we eagerly await your response,because it seems you are telling every one here that moral laws are abolished.

Ayomivic: @ goshen360, let me first sumarize what i understood by your teaching. You said we are not saved by observing the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. Is that correct?

And we understand faith to be believing in what we have not seen but heard . If this meaning of faith is correct, are you saying that if someone is a theif but he believes that Jesus died for him on cross, he believes in resurrection , are you saying that God would not punishe him for being a theif?

Are you saying that all the law include ten commandments should not be taken serious?

uteh: @Goshen, pls i will like you to ask a question. Yes we are saved by grace thru faith, so what do we do with d commandments of Jesus? As given in Matt 22:37-40. Are we to ignore his sermons on d mountain -Matt 5-7. Remember b4 he started he said in Matt 5:17 dat he didnt come to destroy d law but to fulfill it. Also John 15:10,12, and also 1 John 3:22-24. If we are saved by grace do we ignore d commandments of Jesus? Would obeying his commandments mean you are walking by law and not by grace obtained thru faith?

Bidam: I actually quoted the Pauline letters which you love to quote so much as per fulfilling the law,which wan con be error for this matter again? Ok,here are the scriptures once again.

we do not nullify the Law through faith, “on the contrary, we uphold the Law”( Romans3:31)

What law is paul referring to here?

Romans 8:4

New International Version (NIV)

4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

And this was my interpretation of the scripture above in blue "Those who have been made righteous by faith and have thus received the holy Spirit are now able to fulfill the requirements of the Law" or do you have a contrary opinion? please share in line with this scripture so i could be edified.
I also went ahead to capture the Law a christian should fulfill,which Paul was talking about by quoting these verses of scripture in Romans 13:8-10.

Romans 13:8-10

New International Version (NIV)


8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law..

So we are [b]commanded to love one another as love is the fulfillment of the LAW .Please show me where i teach error abeg

OLAADEGBU: If you don't have complete victory over the law of sin then you are an heretic.

This is what Melanchthon said to the likes of false teachers who teach such heresies:

OLAADEGBU: If you are not accountable then you are not a man of intergrity.

nlMediator: Cool.

1. If no engaged christian in the Bible slept with the partner, that settles it. We cannot preach it today. Do you realize that's what you're saying, by analogy? Until you can present evidence of any christian couple sleeping before marriage in the Bible and receiving endorsement, you cannot support it. Of course, you wouldn't do that, but would rather spend days and weeks defending something you cannot find in the Bible. Yet, when somebody brings up something else hey allegedly cannot find in the Bible, you reject it on that basis. Your approach goes contra to any rule of integrity and credibility that I know.

2. You misunderstood my question about demon possession before Jesus. If you read the Bible before Jesus started delivering people, you could also argue that nobody was demon possessed. From Genesis to Malachi, you can rarely find an account of people bound by evil spirits. Yet, there were many such people. Obviously, demon possession did not just start when Jesus began His ministry. So, let's use your logic. Was anybody possessed in the OT and in the 4 gospels before Jesus turned 30? Well, since we can hardly find any such incident, then nobody was possessed. Or you disagree?

3. I once asked you about the gift of discerning of spirits. What is that gift doing in the Church? Is it only to be used to discern devils in unbelievers? If your answer is Yes, where does the Bible say that? Again, remember unless you can show me where the Bible says it, it cannot be true. We're going solely by your rules or standard here. So, I'm waiting to see how you reach the conclusion that that gift is only for believers when we have no evidence in the Bible to that effect.

DrummaBoy: And what is that supposed to mean? Do you want to assume the devil's job: accuser of the brethren?

Bidam: a saint cannot sin.

OLAADEGBU: Don't be a makebate. If you say that you preach repentance show us in the myriads of posts you have made on this forum where you have preached and taught repentance from sin and faith toward God.

nlMediator: 1. So, if no christian went for deliverance in the Scriptures, that settles the question?


2. Can you tell us how many people were listed as demon possessed in the Bible before Jesus came and started delivering people?


3. One more thing: I'm sorry to say but you're being hypocritical on this issue. When you claimed that sex between engaged couples was legitimate, you were asked to provide evidence of the practice from the Bible. Not only could you not, but you kept on defending your position. Maybe, you should apply the same yard stick to deliverance.

OLAADEGBU: Talk is sweet. Refer me to one of your posts where you preached repentance if you truly did at all for me to take you serious.

OLAADEGBU: The person who calls himself a Christian teacher without preaching repentance as a prerequisite to salvation is a stranger to true conversion himself.

MostHigh: Heresies

In the one person of Jesus Christ, Divinity and Humanity are united in one or single nature ("physis", the two being united without separation, without confusion, and without alteration

What you are describing above is pure Madness

Insanity

The spirit and flesh are united inseperable withot confusion

Stop leading people astray.

Goshen the Satanist.

Yvete: The doctrine of 'once saved, ever saved' is false. Just because they've accepted Jesus doesn't mean a person is completely delivered from demonic bondage following them through the years. It depends. Don't tell me there are no witches in the Church.

You are entitled to your opinion. I like to stay away from religious debates on NL. I'm not a preachers' daughter.

Tgirl4real: I don't get. When we sin as believers, are you saying we don't have to ask for forgiveness cos in reality we cannot sin?

MostHigh: Narcissism

OLAADEGBU: You are yet to answer my question whether you preach repentance and you are here practising grasshopping event. Those who preach salvation without repentance are strangers to repentance themselves and thus strangers to true conversion.

OLAADEGBU: You may take your Strawman's argument elsewhere.

MostHigh: Did the master not do works also

Is he and all the apostles not LAWFULL TO THE END

And judaizers as you call them in a derogatory manner

You can be exactly as your master is but not greater Goshen

That is presuming Yashua is your master

Bidam: if you neglect all the scriptures i quoted initially by asking me this question,then you re not fit to be a teacher.

OLAADEGBU: Easy believism and true faith.

Bidam: I don't need to go into foolish debates with you. Does the ten commandments ask anyone to sacrifice an animal for atonement of sins?

OLAADEGBU: Remember the Day of Rest
July 28, 2013

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates" (Exodus 20:8-10).

The Hebrew word for "remember" actually means to "mark" or "set aside." The Israelites didn't need to be told to "remember" the sabbath, because all nations had been keeping time in weeks ever since creation (Genesis 2:13). (Note the references to the sabbath in the sending of God's manna, prior to the giving of this commandment |Exodus 16:23-29|.) But they did need to be reminded to mark it as a holy or rest day, as God had done in that first week.

The Hebrew word for "sabbath" does not mean "Saturday" any more than it means "Sunday." It means, simply, "rest" or "intermission." The institution of the sabbath (that is, one day out of every seven days to be "set aside" as a day of rest, worship, and remembrance of the Creator) was "made for man" and his good (Mark 2:27). It was even of benefit to the animals used by man (note the mention of "cattle" in the commandment). It had been a pattern observed since the completion of God's six days of creation and making all things at the very beginning of world history (note Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:11).

OLAADEGBU: It is still appropriate today, as well. "There remaineth therefore a rest |that is, 'a sabbath-keeping'| to the people of God" (Hebrews 4:9). All men have a deep need to remember their Creator and His completed work of creation at least once each week, [size=15pt]as well as His completed work of salvation—especially in these days when both of these finished works are so widely denied or ignored.[/size] HMM

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christemmbassey: a christian does NOT NEED deliverance, its either we choose to believe God or not @ Goshen and pastor Olu'. A christian can NOT BE CURSed, all the curses are baɓk dated to the cross.

Bidam: You certainly are a confused bunch.Where is it written that the 10 commandments are changed? All i can see there is the levitical laws which was given to Moses after the 10 commandments.The book of Hebrews is heavily dependent upon the OT WITH OVER 30 actual quotations and seventy allusions from Leviticus,yet NO TEN COMMANDMENTS was mentioned.
I believe you can help your brother Goshen360 in explaining why Jesus, John and Paul told us to keep the
commandments.

JOHN 14:15 (Jesus)
15 If you love me, keep my commandments.

1 JOHN 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters (1 Corinthians 7:19).

And in case shdemidemi is around, he can also explain to us why Paul should say we should listen to Jesus since he was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(1 Timothy 6:3-4) "If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,".

Bidam: frosbel style of argument, i don't need to quote scripture bro..let me ask a question/ Does the ten commandments ask anyone to sacrifice an animal for atonement of sins?

Pastor Olu T: Diliverance from what? We xtians like putting oursleves in unnecessary bodage, the only diliverance a xtian needs is from ignorance. This is not to mean that there are not strongholds that stands on the way, this will be dismantled by the same weapon 2Corinthians 10:3-5.

But a baby xtian can still be taken advantage of by the devil and held in bondage which is the reason every xtian should endeavor to grow.Also the. Xtian should be. Watchful in prayer and study as he grows. 'Cos these are his spiritual armor as he continues to fight the fight of faith and hold his ground.

I believe this also applies for parental curses, as the xtian grows his eyes will constantly be opened to how he needs to tackle this and he. Walks in the freedom which Christ has made him free.

MostHigh: You should change your name to show me show me.

Pastor Olu T: Don't really get un but diverance for xtians is from ignorance, when U don't know all that u have in Christ and that He has done for u, the devil will always take advantage of the said xtian thereby keeping him in bondage in that aspect.

benalvino: am in bro... we shall look in to the full context..