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benalvino: ok when you ready... lol
I will talk to ijawkid because for once we will be on same side... lmao even frosbel is on my side on this... hahahaha

It doesn't matter who is on the side of who. I will question what you teach and you will question what I teach USING SCRIPTURES...in a step by step approach.

Deliverance MEANS 'accepting and believing what is already done and completed by and in and through Christ'. Check your concordance. As a Christian, you CAN'T BE BLESSED MORE THAN WHAT CHRIST HAD DONE FOR YOU.

benalvino: [size=18pt]question from paul him self[/size]
Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

This said it all...

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4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified

The bold explain it.

If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Cor 14:27-28)


Question is do you have interpreters for those who speak gibberish aka kakayankaya in church?

That's the CORRECTION Paul was doing NOT the tongue speaking\praying itself BUT THE ABUSE. Cool down and read that one Corinthians 14 very well sir.

SOLAR POWER: My brother I am moved by ur passion to express ur believe, yet I will like u to patiently read this with the mind and love of Christ in you . "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:for "NO MAN" UNDERSTANDETH HIM; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. What paul is talking about here is not tongues as in the language of other men(part of which was experienced at the upper room).THE tongues Apostle Paul explained here in 1cor14:2 is what NO MAN(see 1cor.14:2b) or tribe in the world(on earth) can understand, unless God divinely reveals the meaning to a man.Don't confuse it with the manifestation of tongues of other human language which is also by the same HolySpirit.

Thank you!

This is what I have tried teach our brothers in the past - Frosbel, shdemidemi, Tgirl, Ijawkid, truthislight and now, benalvino.

They confuse what happened in Acts and teachings of Paul in Corinthians. A careful study reveals Acts is a SIGN TONGUES while Corinthians teaches PRAYING TONGUE.

benalvino: too many responds... my head is overloaded... lol

I told you, you can't handle FP topics.

benalvino: Praying in tongues? If I ask you what did you ask God in you prayers can you tell me?

I ask MYSTERIES that known tongues cannot express.

benalvino: Am back... Am amazed on how I have been criticized here... The fact is...

I want to address everyone at once again... I will use some bible analysis in doing this... Goshen360 I know you are always open to reason and I urge others to reason with me...

I use to believe in things like this. But not anymore.

I love to do this subject with you systematically and step by step. That's why I told you open a new thread cos when a good thread hit the FP, it's always a mess. The values of such topic is lost. Let's start right away. Though I'm using my phone and at work but I will respond slowly and steadily.

Tgirl4real: OK sir. Let me get u right, do u get interpretation when you pray in tongues.

Praying tongues NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION

DrummaBoy: Bi ti OLAADEGBU ni O, my sister.

It is only in his church THE ROLE OF THE LAW IS USED TO BRING ABOUT THEIR SALVATION.

In other sound churches and the bible, the role of the law was to show man his utter sinfulNess and the need for a Savior.

The above in RED was exactly I laughed at him. He quotes scriptures RELIGIOUSLY not knowing what it means. He still believes he is a sinner after what Christ had done for him by reserving what Adam did to him.

The subject of 'SPEAKING' and 'PRAYING' in tongues is as clear as a day light. Paul NEVER taught AGAINST praying in tongues BUT HE CORRECTED THE ABUSE OF TONGUES.

Just like se.x is not wrong in his correction to the Corinthian church,but se.x with wrong person or unnatural is what abuses se.x and makes it wrong. Hence, Paul wrote to correct WRONG se.xual activities. The same is subject of tongues, not praying in tongues that Paul said WAS WRONG but how it was practiced. This is what goes on in our Pentecostal churches where people just ALL speak or pray in tongues WITHOUT interpretation. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG NOT THE PRAYING IN TONGUE ITSELF.

benalvino: Goshen you are a wise guy... Maybe you haven't looked into this issue... But tgirl and I can discuss it with you.

I will be MORE THAN GLAD to systematically discuss this subject\topic with you and tgirl. You can start a new thread with my I.D and Tgirl. I hope people will not derail it like this one or if you like, we can do it HERE ON THIS THREAD, SLOWLY AND STEADILY. Tell me what you like to do, open new thread or stay here.

OLAADEGBU: God bless you. That is the bone of contention. Repentance and the role of the Law in bringing about our Salvation. Those who you have been lemming don't believe that is the case.

"And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness and of judgment" (John 16:.

Our Lord Jesus is here saying that the Holy Spirit will reprove us of sin [which is transgression of the Law - 1 John 3:4] and of righteousness [which is of the Law - Romans 8:4] and of judgment [which is by the Law - Romans 2:12]

Therefore, when we use the Law to bring the knowledge of sin to the lost, what we are doing is becoming instruments the Holy Spirit uses in bringing "unbels" to Christ.

Bidam: Pls do, we eagerly await your response,because it seems you are telling every one here that moral laws are abolished.

I have asked similar question on the saints and sinner thread. Please give me\us JUST ONE scripture THAT SAYS the laws given to Moses was divided into MORAL, CEREMONIALS ETC.

I will still explain by my promise, finding quality time. Thanks.

Bidam: That is the mistake these guys keep making,unable to differentiate the ceremonial laws of moses which was abolished by the sacrifice of Christ and the moral laws which is in the heart of everyman( Romans 2:12) and is universal before God now formalize the moral code by giving it to Moses in Sinai which was expanciated under Jesus(Mathew 5:19-43) and Paul(Romans 13:9-10). We need to rightly divide the word of truth really to understand these things or else we will be teaching heresy like this two gospel messages i am hearing.It is actually Law by grace and not Law or Grace.

Like I said on the righteousness thread, I will take quality time to explain some things to you and please when I do, try leave bitterness, ego and sentiment aside; try search the scriptures and see if what I teach is true or not. Then you would have test all things and hold fast to what is good. It's possible you 'MAY' have have been wrongly taught in the beginning of your christian life and you just building on that wrong foundation. It happened to me until I sat myself down and started searching the scriptures myself including the Torah. Lo and behold, I found out my pastors and teachers then DO NOT KNOW MUCH BUT WERE ALSO TEACHING TRADITIONS OF MEN, WHAT WAS HANDED DOWN TO THEM ALSO FROM THEIR OWN TEACHERS TOO AND WHAT THEY GOT FROM SO CALLED BIBLE SCHOOL. That's me pouring out my sincere heart to you this morning brother Bidam.

That being said, please GIVE me\us JUST ONE SCRIPTURE, not two, that says the laws given to Moses was divided into MORAL AND CEREMONIAL etc.

Tgirl4real: I am baptised already, thank you.

Water baptism or Holy Ghost baptism?

OLAADEGBU: The litmus test of your belief in repentance is whether you preach it to sinners or not.



Let an Old Testament saint teach you how to deal with your sins in Psalm 51. You will see that those who confess and forsake their sins are given a clean heart in Christ, and by confession of your sins you will be forgiven and restored to fellowship.



Do you mean to say that you are now free to commit the sins of adultery, murder, stealing and lying in the body? What happened to the words of Jesus that pushes the scrutinies into the heart of man? What do you understand by the doctrine of santification?

(Matthew 5:28).

Ola, what is new creation and what does it mean?

^ I hope this 'lion's den' is NOT 'allegoric' at all and I hope it's real event.

@ Bidam, Ayomivic & utah,

I will take time out to respond fully\intensively to all your worries and questions.

Tgirl4real: Kool. Omo Eko lemi o.

Will buzz you anyhow. Lol

BTW, Goshen has a thread on this, but I think he shares the same view with you.

Tgirl4real, you need the baptism of Holy Spirit. Can I lay Apostolic hands on you?

alexleo: @Goshen360,
How do you reconcile your explanation about giving with what Jesus said in Luke 6:38.
38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

And mentioned again in-

Acts 20:35
35 In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”

Isn't this scriptures confirming that there is blessing in giving?

I'm not saying there's no blessing in giving. Absolutely there is. What I'm saying is what you have said in the past and I have read you on this forum that, we don't give BECAUSE we want to be given or because we want to receive something from God - That was a message of 'under the law' because the work (of Christ) is NOT yet finished. Under Grace, we give BECAUSE we ourselves have received NOT that we want to receive.

Now, check what the law says about tithing:

New International Version (©2011)

1. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty,


2. "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. Malachi 3:10

I have broken the scripture into two parts so it will be clear. #1 says DO something (that is, tithe) SO THAT

2. God can then open the windows of heaven and bless you.

Therefore, under the law, blessing is conditioned to WORKS - that is doing something in order to get something from God. That's the message of the law and it is a shadow\shade message to the people of the law. Under Grace, we are NOT blessed because of what we DO but because of what Christ did. Look at it here:

New Living Translation (©2007)
All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ. Ephesians 1:3

So now, "give and it shall be given to you" is a message to under the law people. AFTER the work is FINISHED which I often call the 'finished works of Christ', the message changed to "give because you have also being given\received". 2 Peter 1:3. The law says, forgive SO THAT YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN but the message of Grace says, forgive, NOT because you want to receive forgiveness but BECAUSE YOU TOO HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN. It is no longer flowing from the heart of 'pre-conditioned' BUT from the streams of the finished works of Christ.

JesusisLord85: The scenario Jesus is presented with is not that of exodus or Deuteronomy. Quote it and expose your folly

That's Paul who KNOWS the law in and out telling you that deep mysteries. And what Paul taught was what Christ revealed to him. The one who gives the law knows how to terminate the law and the lope holes therein. Go and learn the law very well before you trying to teach the law.

JesusisLord85: Again, you do not know the law. What does the law say?

In Numbers 5, you can see what happens when a women is suspected of adultery. This is an different situation than the woman who has been caught in the act by witnesses, and the woman does not proclaim innocence. In such a case she is taken outside the camp and stoned.

But where there is mere suspicion, a trial must be held.

In the case even where she might be guilty, what must be done?

Deut 22: " If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you."

They brought the woman, did they bring the man also?
She was under suspicioun, where were the witnesses?


So you see, you do not know the word of God, how can you try and interpret the back of the book, when you do not even know the front? This is why I don't like answering your questions, because you have not even taken the time to study the law.

Chei

I'm talking A, you talking B. Is that how you respond to questions asked? Who doesn't know the law? I have read the Torah more than you and I can use the NT to explain the Torah to you because its all SHADES AND SHADOWS therein. That's why you cannot see who is behind the scene because a veil is still your heart but when you turn to the Lord, the viel is taken away and you will NOW see the REAL PERSON who cast the SHADE AND SHADOWS OF THE LAW.

Now, I was talking about . . . there is an EXISTING law that who is caught in adultery should be stoned to death. That's what the law says, that's condemnation of sinners but Grace says there's joy in heaven over one SINNER that come to repentance and turn unto God.

Jesus broke\violated that law that says an adulterer caught must be stones to death BUT there's not existing law in the entire mosaic that charged against Christ THAT IF A PERSON PARDONS WHOEVER IS CAUGHT IN ADULTERY, SUCH PERSON SINS AND ALSO GUILTY OF THE LAW. There's none and so, you cannot charge Christ of breaking any law BY PARDONING someone who is caught in adultery.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have NO law to break!) Romans 4:15

MostHigh: Christians are gentiles AKA heathens

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Insulting the finished works of Christ! An enemy of Christ you are AKA AntiChrist! Christians are heathen?

shdemidemi: For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

I will help our brother out with Romans 7:2

The question from Chapter 6:1 was shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The analogy of marriage was used by the apostle to further buttress his point-

The woman in the analogy represents a believer

Her first husband is the sin nature

The law of her first husband represents the law of Moses

The woman must obey the law of her husband as a principle of marriage

She is bound to the laws of this first husband as long as the husband is alive.

Christ became sin, he died as the first husband

The woman is now free to marry another husband

The new husband is the risen Christ

The woman cannot live with the new husband as if she were living with the old husband because the new husband has his own laws

The new law is the law of God different from the law of condemnation , sin and death.

^ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 LIKES! Oh my good God! This is great exposition! Great revelation and simple! Please how do I dial your # please. I want to call right NOW! Please email me now please.

@ MostHigh and JesusisLord85,

It is my heart desire to take Moses out of you as a brother in Christ AND replace with Christ + His finished works. That's my aim. You people are upholding Mosaic too long, we look unto Jesus our mediator but the law condemns. I want to take away Judaism (religion of the law) out of you and present\replace with the reality of Christ. The law POINTS to Christ and NOW that Christ have come, what are you people still looking back. Make una no go turn to pillar of salt

MostHigh: @Goshen360:

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

Are not those your words

Yashua is now a politician abi?

Loopholes, Limitations termination...

You are just lawless

A lawless Blasphemer

You are empty head of scriptures! Nothing you have to say. I said I can show you more mosaic that Christ broke.

Do you know why he did NOT sin by breaking those law? ....sin is the transgression of the LAW BUT Christ broke law of Moses and yet, he sinned NOT. You haven't heard anything yet from me because you don't know the law you claim to know.

MostHigh: Goshen AND CO NO KILL ME WITH LAUGH OOO

nA ONLY TO STONE PERSON UNA SABI

I mean what the .......

Do you want more laws that Christ violated and the reasons he did that?

MostHigh: Brother you goad Goshen to more damnation

The man is actually clueless of his constant blaspheming

Here he runs to prove Yashua is a sinner, e wan fall more people hand

Goshen na your own hand you dey fall so.

You can be exactly as the master is but not GREATER.

It is obvious you're clueless of what I'm saying and where I'm going. Did I say Christ was a sinner? Was Christ the one that was caught in Adultery? Sin is transgression of the law. It was the woman that broke the EXISTING LAW OF WHEN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY. There is NO EXISTING law of that talked about what Christ did - that's the lopehole of the law right there. So Christ is NOT breaking any existing law BY NOT ALLOWING HER TO BE STONED TO DEATH.

^ He that gave the law KNOW THE LOPEHOLES OR LIMITATIONS OF THE LAW AND ALSO KNOWS HOW TO TERMINATE THE LAW!

Goshen360: Hahahahahahaha! I go laugh you die tonight. Okay, let start with #1.

The law says Stone whoever is caught in adultery to death. When the woman was caught in the very act. What did Christ do and what IS THE MEANING OF THAT MESSAGE OF CHRIST since Christ is the GRACE living under the dispensation of the LAW at that time.

Did Christ obeyed that law of stone her to death? ^ Or he broke that law?

JesusisLord85: Oh this wicked generation. Anyway I will respond since you asked so nicely, your brothers approach is rather abrasive.
Anyway. Paul told you "for I speak to them that know the law". You arrogant men, you don't know the law and yet you want to come and bring this passage to me. demidemi did you not learn your lesson on Acts 10, and you want more?

I gave you the background before, and I hoped you would turn aside and understand.

Romans 7: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God"

You misunderstood revelation because you do not understand the difference between present tense and past tense. This time, you err because you do not know when Paul uses the singular.

Given the background, you know that this is talking about a wife that was in adultery. Israel was married to God, but according to the law, was then in adultery. So let me rephrase. If the husband (Christ) dies, she is loosed from the law (of adultery), for she is then free to remarry. Do not take this to mean that she is now free to steal, kill and destroy and still make heaven. How can a passage concerning a marriage (and adultery) be used to say the law in general is done away with. I am laughing at this point.

And understand this, the new covenant, God remarrying Israel, and placing his law in their hearts, is it not the same laws to govern marriage? This is just a renewed contract.

Be blessed and have a wonderful sabbath.
Shalom

1. I never knew you are a JEW o. Chei, Sabbath ke?

2. God remarrying Israel? So where does the church belong? Concubines?

3. It is very clear you don't understand nothing about romans 7. What nonsense you wrote up there? Did he say LAW of ADULTERY? You're really messing yourself up now. The scripture simply says LAW NOT Law of Adultery? What school did you attend?