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Christianity EtcRe: Conflicting accounts on the Genealogy of Joseph in Luke and Matthew Gospels by Goshen360(m): 9:17pm On Jul 19, 2013
Kino big deal? Simple matter like this na eim a whole frosbby dey go start thread for? Chei, frosbel don fall my hand and head join grin.

#cover face and run out of thread but to return if no one has explanation#

grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Saints And Sinners by Goshen360(m): 7:15pm On Jul 19, 2013
OLAADEGBU: Mr. questioner, what are you, a sinner or a saint? Answering this will move this dialogue along.
Good. Now it's gonna get interesting. I am a SAINT.

OLAADEGBU: For your information, a saint is not a sinner and a sinner is not a saint.
This is good answer. You just said a SAINT is NOT a SINNER and you and I are SAINTS OF GOD. That means we no longer sinners because you just said also, SINNERS CANNOT BE SAINTS. Meaning we are one (SAINTS) at a time and cannot be both (SAINTS AND SINNERS...according to the title of the thread) at the same time.

How then did you and I became SAINTS?
Christianity EtcRe: Saints And Sinners by Goshen360(m): 4:47pm On Jul 19, 2013
OLAADEGBU: A saint. You are yet to answer my set of kweshions.
If you believe and say you're a saint. How and what makes you a saint?

(2) As a saint, can you be a SAINT and at the same time a SINNER?
Christianity EtcRe: Saints And Sinners by Goshen360(m): 12:57pm On Jul 19, 2013
Leaving aside "elementary things" such as the advert above, let us go deep into apostolic doctrines.

Ola, are you still a sinner or a saint as a Christian?
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen360 And Tbaba. Pharisees Of Different Religions by Goshen360(m): 4:01am On Jul 19, 2013
Logicboy03: The only clear condemnation of homosexuality is in the Old Testament. Accept it, you are a Judaizer.
Well, Logisboy, homo.se.xuality is NOT an old testament thing. It is also not permitted in the New Testament. I can argue logically this subject even without scriptures how homo.se.xuality is WRONG ACT!

Logicboy03: See this one! You, Goshen? You talking about arguing logically? Mr bible thumper?

Cant you see how you are even struggling? Guy why not quote from the New Testament on homosexual condemnation? Where is it?
At least, I haven't quoted any bible until now that you demanding for one. Homo.se.xuality in the New Testament is an act against the natural way of God and it is a perversion of lifestyle. Don't push me too hard to begin to flog you with scriptures of homo.se.xuals in the New Testament o.

Logicboy03: Lol......I hope you do realise that there are different interpretations of the new testament?

Goshen, thanks for exposing your hollow self.


You are not qualified to be a preacher. You dont even know the huge role translation plays in New Testament interpretation.

This is why I said in the op that all these new age bible preachers only know what is written in their New edition bibles and are ignorant of the history of the bible
Thanks for the commendation! Start by quoting the different translations that was translated into English.
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen360 And Tbaba. Pharisees Of Different Religions by Goshen360(m): 3:46am On Jul 19, 2013
Logicboy03: And your teachings are not false? Is your preaching better than catholic doctrine which most christians follow?
What makes your religion better than Judaism?
The fact that you or people don't agree with what I teach doesn't mean it is false. Just do like the Bereans and study the word. Catholic doctrine? Most people follow? That's why we are the NEW BREED with the gospel of Grace and truth that came by Jesus, not by Moses unto Judaism.

Christianity is living the life of Christ, from inside to outside. There's s life put in us at new creation and that life that we live out is what Christianity is, different from Judaism of eye for an eye etc.

Logicboy03: Thanks for admitting that you do not speak on those issues

What formal education with regards theology/scripture do you have to make you a gospel preacher?
This is why I said you can't argue logically. What has 'formal education with regards to theology/scriptures' got to do with truth that I teach? Must I attend theological school to get information in this day and age? Tell me, what theology school did the Apostles attended? Did Jesus attended? Huh? Well, I told you I attended a Bible college here in the USA but later realized I was being taught by men rather than by the Holy Spirit in studying to show myself approved unto God.

I'm not saying is a bad idea to kick out bible school but most of them is an extension of man's teachings and that's why we have many errors being extended because if a man is in error and operates a bible school, imagine what happens? He extends this error by teaching unto his bible students but we should do like the Bereans, search the scriptures(study) to see if what these things being taught are true and that's my I'm different because I study something different from what people\many teach.

Logicboy03: Christ himself spoke on socio-cultural issues ranging from marriage to leadership. Jesus talked about treating one another, talked about relationships with outsiders, pro.stitues and drunkards. Jesus talked about political power.
So who are you to tell me that you have better things than to do than to preach about socio-cultural issues as a follower of christ?
Again, I'm not called because I'm already called. I'm SENT to preach the GOSPEL OF CHRIST not to be a motivational speaker or socio-cultural discourse but if such come up, I will always contribute but not to mix that with the gospel. The issues raised above (marriage, leadership, pros.titution and drunkards etc), we have discussed on this forum. You just like looking for unnecessary trouble.

Logicboy03: Even Paul in the bible did some philosophy.
Paul did some philosophy? Tell us, in what? Philosophy in the gospel? In the law of Moses? In what? So we can apply it appropriately to me and what is the importance or usefulness of this philosophy to the gospel of Christ?
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Real Gospel by Goshen360(m): 3:03am On Jul 19, 2013
The gospel of Christ - the death, burial and resurrection of Christ A.K.A THE "IT IS FINISHED" WORKS OF CHRIST is the power of God unto salvation. Deliverance is accepting and believing what had been finished and done not somersaulting and shaking the head like lizard e.g o ya pe oruko Jesu l'emeta, pe ina orun l'emeta, pe eje Jesu l'emewa ko gbadura k'ara san pa awon ota idile, ota ibise, ota adugu...o ya gbohun s'oke koo gbaduraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Real Gospel by Goshen360(m): 1:14am On Jul 19, 2013
I tried to embed the video but it wont work. Can anyone help? Thank you!
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Real Gospel by Goshen360(m): 6:04am On Jul 18, 2013
shdemidemi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pakqhGqCBN4


What distinguishes Christianity as the heart of the matter is not its moral code, but its story – the story of God, the Creator who, although rejected by the people He CREATED in His likeness and image, STOOPED to reconcile THIS SAME people to Himself through His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

We have been commanded by the Lord Jesus to preach the GOOD NEWS not GOOD ADVICE.

It is the Story of the Death, Burial and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ for the redemption of Mankind.

Please listen and be blessed by this video interactive message…

Be Refreshed!!!
I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message and gospel of the Grace of God!
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen360 And Tbaba. Pharisees Of Different Religions by Goshen360(m): 5:58am On Jul 18, 2013
Logicboy03: The only clear condemnation of homosexuality is in the Old Testament. Accept it, you are a Judaizer.
Can you see why I said you cannot argue logically? Is homo.se.xual not mentioned in the new testament? Do you\we stone them to death like the Old testament? What\where then is the condemnation aside the truth that God doesn't like such perversion? As homo was mentioned in the old, so it resurfaced in the new and that's the new testament eyes with with I look at it as a wrong act.

Logicboy03: Secondly, there are many interpretations of the scriptures and not just one. You dont speak Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek, so I wonder how you can claim anything when there is even debate on translations. Ignorance leads to your Phasrisee-ish position that there is only one interpretsation- suspiciously, it is the one you preach
Jesus is Lord means only one thing not two. We know in part and prophesy in part but what was in part is now complete. People have two or different interpretation because they still like to mix the old and the new together. The scripture says both are DIFFERENT and it will always look like many interpretation for those who don't accept the new and better covenant and cannot balance the DIFFERENCE that exist between the covenants. I don't have to speak Greek and Hebrew to study the word. There are Greek and Hebrew materials to do such study.
Christianity EtcRe: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(op): 12:14pm On Jul 17, 2013
We can ask brother frosbel one\two\three\four kweshions on this subject that will make him run now.... grin grin grin.
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen360 And Tbaba. Pharisees Of Different Religions by Goshen360(m): 12:09pm On Jul 17, 2013
Logicboy03: Pharisees-

a) Had authority as they were the authority on scriptures/law
b) Had a misunderstanding of the scriptures as Jesus corrected them (Eg he without sin cast the first stone etc)
(a) Authority on the scriptures\law? That's why I told you I don't belong under the law (of Moses) so how am I a pharisee then? I teach as a gift to the body of Christ not as a pharisee who have "authority on scriptures\law".

(b) Again, under the law of Moses, no one is completely free of one sin or the other. When they could not cast the first stone means they were also guilty of breaking another law - sin is breaking of the law but where there's no law, there's no sin to commit. Indeed, people who teach the law do not understand it themselves. I don't teach the mosaic law to Christians so how do I qualify as a pharisee?

Logicboy03: You lack the open mind to numerous interpretations of the scripture that Anony has. Do you have any formal education on theology or scripture? What makes you a Gospel Preacher or teacher? Who are you to call someone a Judaizer or false prophet?
There's only ONE interpretation to scriptures except when we are confused about it. All scriptures must align. One man can fall into error due to the fact he could align properly the interpretation but doesn't mean scriptures have MANY interpretation. Having formal education on theology is irrelevant and that's my personal issue even though I have said on this forum in the past, I attended a Bible School BUT I don't support it no more because I later understand it is just an advancement of what one man or group of people believes and might not necessarily be God's complete counsel. I am a gospel preacher because I proclaim Christ and the gospel of grace of Christ not religion of the law - Judaism. I can call a person Judaizer when they make void the finished works of Christ and I can call them false because the NT calls them(Judaizers) false. Those aren't my own coined words!

Logicboy03: Are you against gay rights or marriage? You too are a Judaizer using Mosaic law.
YES! I'm against GAY marriage. They can do it as a RIGHT because everyone has a right to live the way he\she wants but doesn't mean it is acceptable with God. That's not a MOSAIC LAW issue. It is also a new testament issue. This is one thing people don't realize - The fact that God RE-introduced some things from the Mosaic Law to the NT, people think we are still under MOSES. It's just like Nigeria amend a constitution and they bring certain things from the old to the new. Does that mean they still follow the OLD? Homo.se.xuals, gays,lesbianism are all act of UNnatural and perversion! HENCE, I DO NOT SUPPORT SUCH ACTS IN THE LIGHT OF THE NT SCRIPTURES. However, I don't condemn them though because God loves both the righteous and the sinners alike.

I have to go now, I will respond to the rest of your post later!
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen360 And Tbaba. Pharisees Of Different Religions by Goshen360(m): 6:17am On Jul 17, 2013
^ Na you sabi. You just like to dey look for people trouble sha. Anyway, me too wan go sleep now; it's sleep o'clock for me now!
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen360 And Tbaba. Pharisees Of Different Religions by Goshen360(m): 5:59am On Jul 17, 2013
Logicboy03: In my own opinion, I believe that Goshen is an example of a half baked preacher.
Thank God you said IT IS YOUR OWN OPINION! You're entitled to your own opinion boy! And if your opinion is what it is, when have you defeated this 'half baked' preacher in an intellectual debate without resulting to insult and running away from such thread? Every time you and I discuss, you always result to insult and dodging intellectual questioning but I have always answered you in most of our reasoning in the past and even tell you what you don't know but you think you know from your 22 years of eating communion bread without knowing things you should know cheesy

Logicboy03: But why is he a Pharisee? I am saying that he is because writes like a Rabbi/teacher with authority and arrogance here on the religion section.
Who is\are Pharisee(s) by the way? Your response:
Logicboy03: Simple-

-the Pharisees had authority and were respected but didnt know what they were preaching.
But here is your answer:
A sect that seems to have started after the Jewish exile. In addition to OT books the Pharisees recognised in oral tradition a standard of belief and life. They sought for distinction and praise by outward observance of external rites and by outward forms of piety, and such as ceremonial washings, fastings, prayers, and alms giving; and, comparatively negligent of genuine piety, they prided themselves on their fancied good works. They held strenuously to a belief in the existence of good and evil angels, and to the expectation of a Messiah; and they cherished the hope that the dead, after a preliminary experience either of reward or of penalty in Hades, would be recalled to life by him, and be requited each according to his individual deeds. In opposition to the usurped dominion of the Herods and the rule of the Romans, they stoutly upheld the theocracy and their country's cause, and possessed great influence with the common people. According to Josephus they numbered more than 6000. They were bitter enemies of Jesus and his cause; and were in turn severely rebuked by him for their avarice, ambition, hollow reliance on outward works, and affection of piety in order to gain popularity.
Now, tell me, how am I an enemy of Christ and His cause on earth and how am I arrogant here? You are the very one that insult people when they engage you intellectually and you have failed to reason logically even when you maintain an I.D, LOGICboy.

Logicboy03: Just go through his profile page and look at his topics- most of them railing against "bible Judaizers", "erroneous church teachings" and "mixing of scriptures" but then, how is his own interpretation any better?
Yes, Judaizer Christians are the very enemies of Christ and his cause - they still want to BIND Christians with BOUNDage that Christ came to set us free from. Those are the real pharisees. I teach scriptures and interpret to balance and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit. Judaizers says we (Christians) must still follow the Mosaic teachings but scriptures says, Moses teachings was not written to Christians but to national Israel and Judaizers ONLY pick what suits them from Moses teachings but Moses teachings says DO ALL OR NONE; TO BREAK ONE IS TO BE GUILTY OF ALL. The entire Moses teachings is SHADOWS AND SHADES, Christ & faith in the finished works of Christ is the SUBSTANCE. Why do Judaizers want to put Christians UNDER BOUNDage which Christ came to set people free and even the national Israel COULD NOT KEEP THE MOSAIC LAW\TEACHINGS?

This is a serious matter you have raised in honesty and this is the only reason I'm responding to this thread. Judaizers and Judaism are the LAW of Moses KEEPERS (but they cannot keep it) that makes null & void the work of Grace and Cross of Christ. To everyone who have come to Christ, Moses and his teachings had come to an END for Christ is THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS TO EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES. I'm fully going to do like Paul the Apostle - TO TEAR DOWN JUDAISM AND THE JUDAIZERS, separate Judaism from Christianity and present the reality (SUBSTANCE) of our Christ\faith to my generation. Furthermore, I don't mix Old with the New Covenant because I didn't belong to the Old but the new. Judaizers and teachers of the law are those who mix both and thereby come with errors for the new testament Christians. This is because people think the whole Bible was written to everybody, THAT IS WRONG AND FALSE TEACHINGS! Christians are under a NEW and BETTER Covenant and this new covenant IS NOT THE SAME OR CONTINUATION OF THE OLD BUT ARE DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT COMPLETELY.

Logicboy03: Also, in contrast to Anony, Ihedinobi, Striklymi and co, Goshen lacks knowledge in socio-cultural issues surrounding christianity.
I am a GOSPEL preacher & teacher NOT a social-cultural speaker! If need arises for me to talk about that I will and also, the fact I don't air my view on the public forum doesn't mean I don't talk about it. I don't go deep into baseless arguments. Again, my time is too precious for such discussion. Christ didn't send me to go teaching socio-cultural issues but make disciples of all nations and call men from darkness into the kingdom of God by the preaching of the gospel of Grace.

Logicboy03: Goshen has a lot of followers here and I want to ask a simple question; when is the last time Goshen made a post on issues like abortion, human rights, christian-islam relations, growth of atheism etc that you liked? He rarely makes a contribution that relies purely on reasoning. This is why I wonder why he preaches with authority here. Compare this with Anony, Italo and co who can give balanced contributions in and out of the bible. Sometimes, when these christian guys talk about some 1st century history concerning christianity, I am amazed.
Talk about ABORTION? Are you serious? What is my business teaching abortion? Are you for real? Talk about GROWTH OF ATHEISM? Seriously? Am I part of your atheist company that I will be talking about your growth? You better come to Christ and not forsake your creator in the days of your youth. Again, what is my business boring people with vain philosophy. You think say I no go school ni? You must be kidding right! Anyway, I will rather go straight to the point on any subject I'm teaching than dabbling into philosophy and all that.

The guys you mentioned that are doing well in that aspect, they can continue. We cannot all do the same thing. This is not to mean that I cannot talk or don't know about those aspects of life but it's irrelevant to the context of my teachings except when need be. In all, when you're asked what do you achieve a particular thread other than arguing back and forth, then such time to me is wasted.
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 10:39pm On Jul 15, 2013
Ishilove: Grrrr, brother Goshen, you make me feel so protected... wink grin
Don't worry sweerie. I will get a licensed GUN for you and myself soon. Na to do justice to those heathen wey dey try talk rubbish against you. grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Saved But Still Bound - Loose Him And Let Him Go! by Goshen360(op): 10:35pm On Jul 15, 2013
@ Olaadegbu,

Goshen360: I have asked you TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS regarding the faith we are called to obey but you scripturally EMPTY to answer it. Are you ready to answer now?
You said you answered me.

OLAADEGBU: I answered your questions it is you and your partner in crime that have failed to answer mine. You don't have the monopoly of asking people questions when you are not ready to answer theirs. I ask you here again. Answer a simple YES or NO as you ask yourself these questions:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength? ____YES ___NO
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself? ____YES ___NO
Have I ever used God's name in vain? ____YES ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy? ____YES ___NO
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly? ____YES ___NO
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)? ____YES ___NO
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)? ____YES ___NO
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)? ____YES ___NO
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES ___NO
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES ___NO
Where is your answer? Show me or everyone. Here are the TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS TO OUR FAITH AGAIN FROM THIS THREAD: https://www.nairaland.com/1298776/nigerian-woman-died-came-back/5#16777628

Goshen360: @ Olaadegbu,

I know you love scriptures like this below,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4


If you love scriptures like the ^ above. Do you also love the other side of the ^ above scriptures quoted below:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)

Romans 4:15


If you also take Romans 4:15 as scriptures, what do you understand by it and how do you balance it with 1 John 3:4? I await your response.
Show everyone\me your answer to the ^ above two questions if you honestly answered them. They're fundamental to our faith that we believe. This was your reply to the two questions from that thread:

OLAADEGBU: Here's another story to get you out of your misery.

Many years ago, a man jumped off a high bridge in an effort to end his life. Fortunately, he lived through the ordeal but broke his back as a result of the fall, and ended up in a wheelchair. His attempt to take his life caused a great deal of distress, to those in control of the bridge, to paramedics, to traffic and especially to his family. Authorities wanted to press charges against him but they couldn't, since this was the city's first suicide attempt, they had no law forbidding such an act. He escaped the consequences of the law of man, but suffered the painful consequences of breaking another law, the law of gravity.

In the same way, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral Law, "the soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4). Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses. They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God.

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come" - (Romans 5:14 The Evidence Bible).
And my response was,
Goshen360: grin grin grin

I knew it! I knew you CANNOT make anything out INTERPRETING those two scriptures given to you. I know it, unless you have to go to your PhD article. I knew it!

grin grin grin

Okay, put it this way and try again. Sin is the trangression of an existing law but when you don't have any law you breaking, what is your sin?
^

Goshen360: (2) @ Olaadegbu,

Are you still a sinner as a Christian?
AND THIS WAS WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH ON THAT THREAD:

OLAADEGBU: There is no need to teach a pig how to sing because you will only end up annoying the pig as is evident here. In addition to that I will also end up wasting its time.

When there is a genuine need for the teaching of the word I'll gladly oblige. Till then have a field day because I know you've got nothing to lose.

(Matthew 7:6).
Now, @ Olaadegbu,

I will like you to answer those two questions (#1 & 2) and then I will also proceed to answer all those questions you posted up there so we can continue. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 10:15pm On Jul 15, 2013
Logicboy03: This Ishilove sef!

She should be confined to the romance/sex.uality section instead of derailing threads with her love triangle and razz toasting
You berrer watch your mouth what you say about my sweetheart or else, na make I deal with you. angry You know I don't take rubbish from anyone talking against her anyhow. Stay away from her! angry Don't lemme catch you with this nonsense talk against her no more, okay! angry
Christianity EtcRe: Confusing Scripture Broken Down. This Is From A Thread By Pygru by Goshen360(m):
@ Everyone,

Well, it is very clear that our brother obadiah777 (he is also still my brother in Christ) even though he says terrible things regarding holy scriptures, he cannot put up any argument against how I tried to explain things to him here. This is not an effort to discredit obadiah777 but to make him understand certain things should just be left the way scripture says it or else we all make our own personal\private interpretation out of the sacred word and rubbish the truth of God's word. I will continue to fellowship with him online from time to time but we will always scrutinize ourselves in the word and test the spirit. God bless you all for your time in this thread.
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 3:59pm On Jul 15, 2013
Ishilove: Womenfolk??

OBADIAH!!!!! angry angry
Sweerie, you see what I told about that guy? You better concentrate on me and me ALONE! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Saved But Still Bound - Loose Him And Let Him Go! by Goshen360(op): 12:32pm On Jul 15, 2013
OLAADEGBU: Your mission to bring folks under the spirit of antinomianism and lawlessness will not succeed in Jesus' name.
I have asked you TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS regarding the faith we are called to obey but you scripturally EMPTY to answer it. Are you ready to answer now?
Christianity EtcRe: Saved But Still Bound - Loose Him And Let Him Go! by Goshen360(op): 11:31am On Jul 15, 2013
debosky: @ Goshen

Stay focused - ignore the attempts to derail you and complete what you started.

God bless you.
Thank you my brother. I have actually concluded the message. Guess you're right, I should just ignore the attempt to derail and comment only when I need to do so.
Christianity EtcRe: Margaret Amure Died And Came Back To Life With A Message From Jesus Christ by Goshen360(m): 11:26am On Jul 15, 2013
OLAADEGBU: Goshen on the other hand use to question frobel's heretical beliefs in the past but has now joined him in propagation the doctrines of demons. And as for shdemidemi, his pride prevents him from repenting from his sins as his mentors.
What shocked Does that mean I still reject the trinity of God? Frosbel and I don't agree on certain things but we have managed our differences well. We agree on MOST ISSUES though so what's your problem about that?
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 11:03am On Jul 15, 2013
MostHigh: When they asked for my liver you kept quite

Now the fire is burning and you say its uncalled for

You think we playing a game here?

Abeg park one side joor.
shocked
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 11:01am On Jul 15, 2013
@ truthislight,

Thank you. I answered plaetton and he went open another thread here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1358973/tale-two-religions-judaism-christianity and I replied him intensively though. I just told him the same thing you said above (without quoting all your post). Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: The Tale Two Religions:judaism And Christianity: One God Or Two? by Goshen360(m): 5:25am On Jul 15, 2013
plaetton: It is common practice among Christians , when confronted with the obscene violence, wrathful anger and immorality in the bible, to deny the old testament and refer to it as old covenant, and the new testament as the new covenant.
Yet, when it serves their purpose, the happily quote from the same old testament.
First, I don't know of other. I can only speak for myself because I know where and what covenant I belong to - The New Covenant which is enforced by the blood of Christ. I don't quote the Old Testament (or Covenant) whenever it serves my purpose and I don't belong to that Old Covenant.

Right from the old testament, THIS SAME GOD HAD BEEN ANNOUNCING THE COMING OF THE NEW COVENANT.

New International Version (©2011)
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
Jeremiah 31:31


Why would SAME God that entered the covenant of old with Israel say He is bringing a new covenant? The scriptures gave us an answer: "because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord". Hebrews 8:9

Now, is this Old Covenant THE SAME AS THE NEW OR DOES ONE COMPLIMENT OR BALANCE THE OTHER? The answer is NO! These two covenants are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ONE FROM THE OTHER.

New International Version (©2011)
But God found fault with the people and said: "The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. Hebrews 8:8-9


That's it right there! The old that God made with the fathers of Israel, is NOT LIKE THE NEW COVENANT that is announced. I will not go into what the Old entails and the new, just to make my post short.

plaetton: Brother Goshen360 has agreed with me that the old and new testaments deal with two distinct and different religions.I agree with him, and I wonder how many christians out there, Anony, Frosbel, Davidylan, etc, would also agree.
Okay, so we both agree that the old had a different religion to the new? What then makes you think they now operate on SAME AGREEMENT OR COVENANT if they both have different and distinct religion? That doesn't make any sense! The Old operates on JUDAISM while the new operates on CHRISTianity (Unity of Christ; ONE body of Christ - Jews and Gentiles UNITED in Christ) To point out few differences, Judaism says eye for an eye, Christianity says Love them that hates you. Judaism says faith + some other works of rituals and yearly sacrifices, Christianity says ONLY faith in the finished works of Christ. Judaism says faith alone is too simple and works needed added but Christianity says, faith is what the just shall live by. Judaism is when God was dealing with only the nation of Israel, Christianity is God dealing with the whole nation (the whole world) and reconciling sinners to himself etc.

plaetton: However, brother Goshen360 has not yet answered my next question as to whether the old and new testaments deal with two different and distinct deities . I am still waiting.
In the main time, anyone else is free to help me with question.
The God of the Old is the same God of the New. There're no two or distinct God for both testament. The truth is, there is a covenant\agreement between God and the people and following consequences when such covenants are broken. Israel broke the covenant not God and therefore, God is just to make null and void the covenant and bring up a new covenant through Christ and the church.

plaetton: Do we have two religions, one god, or two religions, two gods?
When God was dealing with just one nation, it used to be ONE religion - Judaism and it used to be ONE God, not two. When the same God canceled the Old covenant (Hebrews 8:13); and established the new; it is still ONE God and One religion; transited from Judaism to Christianity. What then do we have here: JUST ONE FAITH - Ephesians 4:4-6. It is the Jews who do not want to agree or let go there religion of Judaism and don't want to accept the new ONE FAITH. Hence, the back and forth argument and confusion.

plaetton: Although they claim new covenant, neither the chriatian bible nor the Jewish Tora shows us anywhere or time where the great mountain god,Yahweh of the old testament, entered some kind of celestial rehab to deal with his jealousy and anger management issues, and then comes out renewed as the loving and merciful god of the new covenant christianity.
The above had been done ALREADY through Christ and the cross; you just didn't see it. Christ is the MEDIATOR OF THE NEW AND BETTER COVENANT because He already said, the new covenant will NOT BE LIKE THE OLD. That's what the finished works of Christ on the Christ is all about, only faith in that finished works is required. The wrath had been poured on Christ but whatsoever any man sows, that he shall also reap. The new covenant is not where people are stoned to death, killed by the sword etc There's a CHANGE from SHADOWS to SUBSTANCE!
Christianity EtcRe: Saved But Still Bound - Loose Him And Let Him Go! by Goshen360(op): 4:15am On Jul 15, 2013
MostHigh: Turning Stone to bread kina rings a bell

Its like me saying show me where bread is translated as doctrine in the bible

Lazybones.
Can you see how you mocking and making a fool of yourself on the world wide web? First, it is:

Goshen360: show me\us from scriptures where STONE = DOCTRINE.
and YOU CANNOT SHOW JUST A SINGLE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS STONE = DOCTRINE. I further gave you another opportunity to humble yourself and amend your ways on things you says on the Holy Scriptures, this is what you came up with again,

MostHigh: Turning Stone to bread kina rings a bell

Its like me saying show me where bread is translated as doctrine in the bible

Lazybones.
Now it is TURNING STONE TO BREAD! Where is STONE = DOCTRINE + STONE = BREAD? Show us (everybody on this world wide forum) scriptures where STONES = DOCTRINE OR STONE = BREAD?
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs by Goshen360(m): 10:20pm On Jul 14, 2013
Good thread but GREATER THAN SOLOMON IS HERE NOW. There's MANIFOLD wisdom in Christ than Solomon. Think about that!
Christianity EtcRe: The Tale Two Religions:judaism And Christianity: One God Or Two? by Goshen360(m): 10:05pm On Jul 14, 2013
plaetton: Ok sir.
Take your time.
Note however, the i know you love to quote scripture. If you are going do so, make you give the proper context.
Also, if another scripture contradicts yours, then your reference should be considered null and void.
Bring it on!
grin grin grin I'm ready to tear down Judaism in my generation like Paul the Apostle without CONTRADICTING my interpretation. You will enjoy it!
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 9:55pm On Jul 14, 2013
MostHigh: Never enough time for Goshen to think

LWTMB true
Young man, I have a day job and you failed if you trying to follow me on every thread. I will answer at my own convenient time when I'm free. You have nothing to say than insult. I'm used to your same insult. By the way, na your Oga (obadiah777) I follow get talk, no be you at all. You hear!
Christianity EtcRe: Quotations Against Tithing By Reputable Men Of God by Goshen360(m): 9:21pm On Jul 14, 2013
frosbel: ^^^^


Paul was a tent maker, Jesus was a carpenter, Peter was a fisherman, Luke was a doctor, Bidam is a ...................

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DrummaBoy: ^... a tithe collector

lol!!!
shocked grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Tale Two Religions:judaism And Christianity: One God Or Two? by Goshen360(m): 9:07pm On Jul 14, 2013
I will reply HEAVILY later as you don come open another thread from our previous discussion.
Christianity EtcRe: Should Obadiah777 Be Put To The Sword? by Goshen360(m): 7:58pm On Jul 14, 2013
plaetton: That makes no sense Goshen360.

Judaism is still alive and kicking.

Did god divide himself into two, one for Judaism and the other for Christianity?

What is the origin of this new covenant?
Who formulated it?

By the same token can we say that Islam is the new and third covenant that replaced the second covenant ?


Isn't it the so-called new covenant more like the wishful thinking of the followers of a new religion?
It does make sense and I will show scriptures towards the fact that it makes sense later. You may want to go get other things done cos I will reply very late today.

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