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JesusisLord85: Why do you ask questions like this. This is not blackberry messenger, you think we enjoy the dialogue? Give us your example and let me laugh myself to sleep

Hahahahahahaha! I go laugh you die tonight. Okay, let start with #1.

The law says Stone whoever is caught in adultery to death. When the woman was caught in the very act. What did Christ do and what IS THE MEANING OF THAT MESSAGE OF CHRIST since Christ is the GRACE living under the dispensation of the LAW at that time. Abeg no run this and by the way, we are taking it step by step, that you long epistle to little answer is wearing us out. Simple question, what does the it says BINDS a woman to her husband, you are writing long epistle. A typical way of dubious people.

MostHigh: Are you truly confused

Or is this all a front for something else?

Did Christ not obey the LAW?

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

shdemidemi: Don't laugh brother, this guy needs the Word.

I no blame you sha, me sef laugh

You know when Paul said, some people want to teach the law to Christians BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS. He, Paul repeated same thing in Romans 7:1. (I am talking to THOSE WHO KNOW THE LAW) I bet my life, that guy will NEVER answer that question in Romans 7:2 because he knows that is an exposure of his errors and heresies. Honestly, it is ONLY a man like Paul who KNOWS the law that can destroy the law in and out. We teachers of Grace have dine and wine with the law and we understand it bondage to THOSE IT WAS GIVEN TO. How can you explain cut off your hands when it makes you sin? Some people will say that is NOT a literal meaning or translation. What then does it mean if not what it means\says?

JesusisLord85: I will put your errors down to a lack of verbal reasoning skills

Okay, I await that.

MostHigh: In other words Yashau and the apostles were in bondage

Only paul the judaIZER IS FREE

See your reasoning.

Lawlessness.

That's why Christ came young man. To set you free from the POWER OF SIN - The law. So you can be free to serve God in Spirit and in truth. The Law was in place UNTIL CHRIST SHOULD COME...AFTER Christ had come and given us the SPirit, WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAW TO GUIDE US - THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW GUIDES US.

Ihedinobi: Goshen, I agreed already.

Okay, if you agree to that. Then I asked, what does the Law say about tithing? Did it say tithe BECAUSE GOD HAD ALREADY GIVEN\BLESSED YOU or it says tithe SO THAT GOD CAN BLESS YOU? What does the law say?

JesusisLord85: Therein lies the problem with you and your friend. You want to be seen to 'win' the debate. This is not a matter of 'I'm right, you're wrong'. Your doctrine will send people to hell.
Your arrogance will not let you see light.
It is well

You don't have to accept my doctrine sir. We are REASONING SCRIPTURES TOGHETHER and everyone is reading. I don't teach to win argument. It means nothing to me. You teach and I test. I teach,others and you test what I teach by searching and comparing scriptures.

Now, I just taught a message that we are NOT made rightous by obeying the law of Moses and you just agreed to the and on the other hand, you turned your back and say I'm teaching wrong things. What is wrong in it when you just agreed?

JesusisLord85: So what does 'grace' say exactly?
Because this 'new law' that you advocate came out of a brief encounter on the road to Damascus. I wonder just how much God said to Paul that caused you to think of a fluffy new set of laws by which all you need to do is acknowledge God exists and that qualifies you to enter the Kingdom.

See, if one truly believes God exists, he will use all his strength to please God. What pleases him? When we obey his commandments.

I have told you what Grace says in my teachings but you guy blew up everything in your fight against me. I no know wetin I do una sef. You just said you are not saying one can receive God's righteousness by keeping the law. What then are we saying here? The law I advocate is the LAW OF CHRIST, THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT. The law UNTO THEMSELVES for the gentiles.

Okay, lemme take it one by one with you.

Answer the question shdemidemi asked you. In Romans 7:2, what is it that BINDs a woman to her husband. Just answer simple question and we deal with this issue.

JesusisLord85: To quote from my recent Galatians thread:

People often use 8-11 to suggest Paul was telling them to turn from Judaism (e.g. not keep the Sabbath). But as I just showed you, these were gentiles that never knew God to begin with. Verse 8 shows they have never been Jewish in their lives. Every cult/pagan society has its own Sabbath days/holy days and feast days etc. What do you think Easter was birthed from? What they were turning back to was the pagan traditions and associated special days that they once knew.
How can you read this and say “gentiles are turning back to observing the holy Sabbath”, when they were previously worshipping false gods. Another part of Galatians that is totally misunderstood.
Paul is saying that you were once enslaved by a pagan religious system that took advantage of you (you had to perform ceremonies, rituals etc), and if you now follow these religious groups that believe you are saved by works, you are no different to when you were enslaved under the pagan gods you worshipped. But believe in Jesus that you are saved by faith, and not like them (the circumcision group) who boast and think they are saved by their own works.


That was from my thread. I say again, how can they who never knew God, are now being begged to turn from the bondage they never knew.

4:8 "“Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.”

THAT is the bondage. Come on friend, how can a rabbi say the word of God is bondage? Chei. That is blasphemy

and rolling on the floor! So the context of Galatians Epistle is ^ the highlighted in RED Just answer simple question o, don't go copy and paste because I really wanna deal with you today.

Ihedinobi: I would have been very pleasantly surprised if you did not find some way to disagree with me. You who said that we do the works now not in order to receive something from God or to be saved, does the Law say that you ought to do the works BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY SAVED?

The Law says DO THIS and GOD does that. Grace says DO this BECAUSE God had already DONE THAT. What is it that is not clear in my teachings?

JesusisLord85: The law was given by God. So how can it be bondage?

Hahahaha! I thought you quoted a PHYSICAL EGYPT so equate to our SPIRITUAL LIFE. Do you know the life we NOW live in Christ, you live in and by the Spirit? Yes, the law is a boundage TO THE LIFE OF THE SPIRIT WE ARE CALLED TO LIVE IN CHRIST. I give you scriptures and you will answer questions too.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1

What is the yoke of BONDAGE in that ^ context?

Ihedinobi: Well, that's all, folks. I think we have all arrived at the same place. We Christians do the works we do BECAUSE we are saved. We do not pay tithes, for instance, in order that we might be blessed but because God has blessed us and we love those who have devoted themselves to the Ministry of the Word and Prayer. We know that the Law is good if it is used lawfully and using it lawfully is not hanging it over the heads of Christians. We use it to examine ourselves and be sure that we are still in the Faith and have not strayed by some carelessness.

Evidently, there is a lot more technical work to do here but we need not make this too arcane. We have always been on the same page, thank God that it is now evident.

Tithe! All joined in this discussion bro What does the law say about this tithe? Did it say tithe BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY BLESSED? It is the same message of the law you still preaching bro. The law says tithe SO THAT GOD CAN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN FOR YOU. But Grace-giving says, give BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY BLESSED NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT A WINDOW OPENED TO YOU. Do you see the difference?

JesusisLord85: Exodus 20:2 "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
So he brought them out of bondage and imposed bondage?

I bet when you read the bible you see contradictions. Well, that is because you read one part and misinterpret the other. God gave the law in written form. Then the prophecy of the new covenant states he will write it in their hearts. simple

Look at this man o! You mean EGYPT (house of bondage) is a SPIRITUAL location that is ON A GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION? Why are you comparing physical things with SPIRITUAL?

Exodus 20:2 "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

Bidam: Thus, Israel is not to ignore God’s establishing of his covenantal righteousness and rely upon their own
righteousness. But this is precisely what Israel has done according to Paul in Rom 10:3: “For, not recognizing the righteousness of God and seeking to establish their own righteousness they have not submitted to the righteousness of God..

Now concerning the LAW i believe it is still valid as a way for Christians to live an upright and moral life in accord with God’s Spirit. Indeed, as Paul insisted previously, we do not nullify the Law through faith, “on the contrary, we uphold the Law”( Romans3:31). Those who have been made righteous by faith and have thus received the holy Spirit are now able to fulfill the requirements of the Law (Romans8:4), and by loving one an
other Christians fulfill the Law (Romans 13:8-10).

This is one teaching where you err as a servant of Christ. You are a servant of Christ but still pledging your allegiance to MOSES. What have MOSES done for you? Redeemed you? Died for you or POINT YOU TO THE SAVIOUR? Now that you have the saviour? Why do you still pledge your allegiance to Moses who sometimes tells you to cut your hands when you sin? We are talking about obeying requirements of the law to be made righteous back to God after we all sinned in Adam? Is keeping the law made you righteous with God or what Christ did for you?

Now concerning the LAW i believe it is still valid as a way for Christians to live an upright and moral life in accord with God’s Spirit. Indeed, as Paul insisted previously,[color=#990000] we do not nullify the Law through faith, “on the contrary, we uphold the Law”( Romans3:31). Those who have been made righteous by faith and have thus received the holy Spirit are now able to fulfill the requirements of the Law (Romans8:4), and by loving one an other Christians fulfill the Law (Romans 13:8-10).[/color]

Again you err!

New Living Translation (©2007)
I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die. Galatians 2:21

Bidam, telling Christians that they received the Holy Spirit in order to help them or empower them to fulfill the requirements of the Law is PURE ERROR! Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping any Law? Why do you then think you can retain the Holy Spirit by keeping law or to help you keep the law. The Holy Spirit is to help us live the NEW life in Christ and teach us and comfort us, help our infirmities NOT KEEPING THE MOSAIC which was a yoke to Israel and they could not keep and a bondage. The death and resurrection of Christ is the RELEASE from that bondage of the Law.

ayoku777: This is what we need to be hearing, on TV and in church, not all these deliverance from demons on tv that mocks christianity. The church needs deliverance from ignorance and from the Law. If believers are taught grace, trust me, we will have less things to be delivered from.

Yes bro. The Law keeps in bondage and grace sets free. The law is the POWER that sin operates on\with. Take the power of sin away, then sin shall not have dominion or power over you\us or the church. Glory to God!

HumbledbYGrace: Thanks, I needed this, just a reminder. Have been going through a battle with myself, trying to take away what God created. *sigh*

There's a seed of God in everyone who believes in Christ and they are made anew, a new creature they are. The devil is always wanting to attack the righteousness of God in you but you have to fight the good fight of faith.

Tgirl4real: None brother. I can't remember the last time I paid tithe. All I did was to commit my affairs into God's hands.

Enjoy the gift of God while it last for you. I thought some will say in order for God to open windows of heaven for you, you have to tithe and sow some dangerous seed offerings.

Tgirl4real: I went for an interview yesterday after series of written tests that seem unending....

The good news is that, I got the job. Yippie!!!

I'm grateful to God.

Congrat my dear sister!

How much tithe and seed did you pay\sow to have the Job or before God gave you the job?

Chei, I tried make it brief but I'm sorry; can't control it. Make una no vex huh.

iamswizz: nice one broda goshen

You're the righteousness of God in Christ. It is God's gift and so you shall reign in life.

[quote author=ifee-gee]A similar topic was taught in church on Friday ,couldn't comprehend much 'cos of all the technicalities,
Prayed for understanding through the Holy Spirit.
Stumbled on this article,didn't want to read 'cos of the length , somehow got around to reading it,compared notes.
Honestly,it's making more sense now. Thank you.[/quote]Thank you my sister. Sometimes, I take everybody as myself - love to read and study. Can't stay a day without reading something. Our purpose is to tear down the Mosaic and present Christ, the substance, our righteousness and our sin. We preach Christ and him crucified, not Christ walking on waters nor Christ changing water to wine nor Christ feeding thousands with two fished + five loaves of bread etc. We encourage you to find more time to study scriptures more. Slowly but surely, the revelation of Christ will be made manifest unto you.

Now, I know the argument the law keepers are going to bring in this teaching - the argument of James, the Apostle. The argument of faith plus works.

14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.

16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd ?

21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”e and he was called God’s friend.

24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

James 2

What is James the Apostle saying? Faith + Works? Certainly NOT else he would be contradicting himself and scriptures he was quoting because he said in verse 23, "Abraham believed (had faith in God) and it COUNTED TO HIM FOR\AS RIGHTEOUSNESS". So what is he saying? He is NOT saying works makes a man righteous before God rather he is testifying to the truth that faith\believing in what God had already done (through Christ) and when you believe in this way of God, you are made righteous unto God and in Christ you become the righteousness of God and the reign in life. That's the gift of God.

He is NOT also saying FAITH + WORKS saves or makes a man righteous. RATHER he is saying, you believe (have faith) that God had already blessed you, then you give out of what God had already blessed you with (show\do works as evidence of your believe\faith) NOT giving (doing works) because you want to be blessed. That's an example! So what do we have here, from the example of Abraham as quoted by James?

New Living Translation (©2007)
In the same way, "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith." Galatians 3:6; Romans 4:3

It is faith and faith alone that made Abraham counted righteous. A foreshadow of how God will raise Christ from the dead and the bring back of Isaac to life again. That's what Abraham believe God for and he was declared righteous BEFORE he offer Isaac (do a work, showing the evidence of his believe). It is not the work that justified him nor made him righteous. So James is saying, if you say you believe God had already blessed you in wealth, then show that believe or faith by also blessing others NOT blessing others BECAUSE you want God to bless you. If you say (have faith or believes) that you are already made righteous in Christ, then live it out from inside, let people see that righteousness of Christ in you. If you have faith or believe you have already being forgiven, then forgive other NOT forgive other because you want God to forgive you etc. James is saying, works is the evidence that you already believe or have faith. That is, something had already taken place on your inside, then the proof is seen of men on the outside.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous (THOSE WHO ARE MADE RIGHTEOUS THROUGH THE OBEDIENCE AND FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST) person has life." This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, "It is through obeying the law that a person has life." Galatians 3:11-12

New International Version (©2011)
Brothers and sisters, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the culmination (END) of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: "The person who does these things will live by them." But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) Romans 10:1-6

The people of the law (Israelites) pride in their law and Torah to make them right with God but could not and they failed together because the law wasn't given to make them righteous or right with God but to tell them they need A SAVIOUR that will make them right with and in the eyes of God. But Israel rejected that saviour and the way of God's righteousness rather pursue their own self righteousness.

New International Version (©2011)
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. Romans 9:30-32

If Israel as the scriptures clearly says they could not attain God's righteousness by faith but works, what makes Christians think they can attain God's righteousness by works of the law rather than faith in what Christ (the One whose obedience unlike Adam made us righteous) had already done. This is a mystery of God already making us right again with him IN Christ. A mystery of God having already prepared table in the presence of our enemy (satan) and ONLY just give us invitation and what is required of us is just to show up at the banquet by FAITH + NOTHING. Just come as you can and as you are.

Many Christians think this righteousness by JUST believing or by faith is TOO SIMPLE and therefore WORKS or religious law MUST be added to it. The same as what the Judaizers taught to the Galatians and Paul the Apostle refuted them. You can't be saved and made righteous by GRACE through FAITH and want to keep your salvation and righteousness by doing works of the law. The one who had being MADE Righteous BY and THROUGH Christ MUST LIVE BY FAITH without the requirements of the law.

For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17

New Living Translation (©2007)
But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. . . So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law. Romans 3:21 & 28

Faith in the what Christ had done to make us right with God is true righteousness in which the righteousness of the law was a type and shadows to. Our works are not acceptable to Christ aside of what Christ had done. In Adam we sinned but in Christ we are made righteous. We do not fast IN ORDER to\BECAUSE we want to get something from God, we fast because CHRIST had already given it to us. We do pray because we want to receive, we pray because we had already received. We do not go from one deliverance session to another, we are in liberty because we are already delivered, we do not give because we want to be blessed, we give because we are already blessed. That is why those who tithe or teach Christians to tithe (do works of the law) so they can be blessed and windows of heaven opened to them are in deep error. Ladies and gentlemen, heavens are already opened over a Christian by the finished works of Christ. There's no open heavens no where because it is already opened.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:17

to be continue

In this teachings series, I try make things brief. Often times, I hear\read our own Christian people quoting our Lord and Saviour in Matthew 5:20 saying:

New International Version (©2011)
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

and they use this verse to bind the righteousness of THE LAW of Moses to Christians not knowing there are two kinds of righteousness - of the law and of faith\believe (in what Christ had already done). Righteousness simply means right standing with God and how God now sees us\people; how God makes people right AGAIN with himself AFTER Adam sinned.

First, we make it clearly by the Apostolic doctrine that it is through Adam that we all sinned and are sinners, not our own sins that made us sinners. In the same manner, it is through Christ and His finished works on the cross that the sinner was killed and we are made right again with God.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19

We did nothing to be a sinner but by the sin of Adam because all human race was in Adam when he sinned. In the same manner (even so through), we did nothing to be made right again with God except by Christ and what he did, dying to give bring us back to God and make our right standing with God.

Before the Cross, that is, under the law of Moses, the righteousness of the law exist and that was the righteousness that Christ spoke about in Matthew 5:20: The righteousness of the law that demands a man or people under the law to do works unto making HIMSELF right with God and to do ALL the things written in the law of Moses. Christians are not under the law but under Grace, which is the gift of God. This righteousness is all about WHAT A MAN CAN DO TO BE RIGHT WITH GOD BUT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST IS WHAT GOD HAD ALREADY DONE TO MAKE MAN RIGHT AGAIN WITH HIMSELF.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For Moses writes that the law's way of making a person right with God requires obedience to all of its commands. Romans 10:5

But that righteousness (which Moses wrote about) WAS A SHADOW righteousness and NOT THE TRUE RIGHTEOUSNESS GOD DEMANDS. It was a type and shadows of the good and fulfilled righteousness of God in Christ because the law is a SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME NOT THE VERY REALITY nor SUBSTANCE, faith is the substance. The law and prophets were all pointing to Christ. When Christ came, people like the people of Israel are still following shadows that was pointing to Christ instead of looking unto the Christ that the law was pointing to.

to be continue

. . . continuing,

sin shall not have dominion over you

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

New International Version (©2011)
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:14

There are numerous reasons why sin (in the body) will no longer rule or be master or have dominion over a Christian and one of those reasons is BECAUSE HE IS NOT UNDER THE LAW. Why would not being under the law be one of the reasons why sin shall not have dominion like it had over Adam? This is because, the law is a fuel to sin, it is a strength to sin, the power of sin. 1 Corinthians 15:56 As long as they keep placing themselves under the law, they keep sinning in the body because their actions of sins are being fueled, strengthen and empowered by the law and when such laws are broken, sin is recorded in their conscience and condemnation attacks their holiness and righteousness in Christ.

Many Christians are trying to overcome sin (in their body) not realizing they are already dead to sin (in their inner man, the spiritual man that is born anew) and that man cannot sin and alive unto God in the same inner man. The ONLY recommendation and apostolic teachings is to put your body under control after the obedience of the inner man that is born after God. You are not to be giving yourself (body) laws, rules, dos and donts etc. This is where being obedience to a master to whom you yield yourself to or not comes to teaching. When you yield yourself to the obedience of the new man, your body is subjected and put under the control of that new man and then you shall not fulfill the desires of the flesh and therefore shall not sin and sin shall not rule over you.

Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? Romans 6:16

Ladies and gentlemen, the rulership of Moses had come and past, the rulership of LAW to Sin and Sin to death which is equal to imperfection in the eyes of God. We are not called unto Moses neither are we called to minister or be ministers of Moses but MINISTERS OF CHRIST, and of Grace of which we draw nearer unto God and are made perfect in him. Those who teach Christ came to empower Christians to obey the law of Moses are simply teaching Christ came to add more fuel to the power that sin had on humanity and they clearly make void Christ and him crucified. Take away the law, legalism,rules,dos,dont etc which are all power\strength\fuel of sin and you have defeated the rulership\dominion of sin in your body and alive unto God in your inner man.

Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. 1 Corinthians 4:1

(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Hebrews 7:19

Glory to God!

Tgirl4real: Bro Goshen,

What exactly are u saying?

Are you saying Adam's body wasn't affected at all when he sinned?

Would he still have died if he hadnt sinned?
Rememberdeath came as a result of sin.

I think the problem here is trying to divide man into 3. Bible says man is a living soul.

I hope the concluding part provides the balance.

Are you saying Adam's body wasn't affected at all when he sinned?

That's not what I'm saying. The body fully participated and affected when he sinned. The body only carried out what was conceived on the inner man, that is the corruptible nature of Adam.

Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. James 1:15

Where is the desire or lust CONCEIVED? Where does it give birth to sin? And where does sin give birth to death? Holy Ghost JAMB kweshun.

Would he still have died if he hadnt sinned? Remember death came as a result of sin.

I don't think he would have died.

I think the problem here is trying to divide man into 3. Bible says man is a living soul.

The living soul is a paraphrase that man became alive after being created from dust.

The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45

This living being or person is made up of body mind\soul and spirit. These are clear from scriptures.

OLAADEGBU: You cannot move on to talk about your new nature if you, like shdemidemi don't believe in the doctrine of repentance in conjunction with your faith. But in the meantime read the following verses for answers to your questions.

(1 John 1:6-9).

(1 John 2:3-5).

This is what Charles Spurgeon had to say about the Law and the Gospel in relation to our righteousness and sanctification:

Who told you I don't believe in repentance? Haven't I turned my back away from the world unto God? Do you know how many sins you will still commit tomorrow? So every time you commit one sin or the other, you keep repenting on each of them. What then are you repenting from if you will still do same thing in future? Do you know what you are doing? You acting like the Old testament that always remind themselves of their sins while under the new testament, God remembers you sin no more because your new man cannot sin and doesn't sin. Your body that sin shall reap what he sows and shall die because the wages of sin is death BUT the gift of God IN YOUR INNER MAN is the righteousness and true holiness of God.

Una don scatter ground for here o.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners

Adam, the day you eat of this tree, you shall SURELY DIE. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam eat this fruit and it was recorded he lived hundreds of years. Shall we therefore say God violated his word? Certainly not! That tells us it wasn't a PHYSICAL or BODILY death though he died for the scripture says, ". . .and death by sin . . .", Romans 5:12. When Adam sinned, ALL human race sinned. How? IN Adam. Where? IN his spirit. It cannot be in his body because Adam's body still lived hundreds of year after he sinned. This is a spiritual transfer to all mankind, that is how all mankind sinned in Adam and became a sinner. Hence, the need for a new birth or new creature that reverses what Adam did. That was the disobedience of the first Adam, sin unto death.

. . .so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

In the same manner as a reverse order, through Christ and his obedience unto righteousness, ALL are made righteousness, NOT LONGER SINNERS AS IT WAS IN ADAM. Where did this took place? IN OUR SPIRIT! We still have the same body like Adam had after he sinned. This is the spiritual birth Christ talked about that,

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

A NEW man THROUGH and IN Christ is born by the Spirit and such is spirit or spiritual. This NEW man is what is called the NEW CREATURE that is created after the order of God through the finished works of Christ. He is SINLESS, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY AND CANNOT SIN.

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ephesians 4:24

Therefore, when we say we are the righteousness of God in Christ, we are not referring to our body because nothing good dwells in this our body but referring to our NEW MAN (our spirit or spiritual man) who is the new creature in the new image and likeness of God. Such cannot sin because the 'seed' of God is in him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

So, when a Christian commits sin, what then is going on since it is true that the one who who is born of God cannot sin. Ladies and gentlemen, that one who is born of God who cannot sin is the new created 'spirit', not the body or the flesh. The new man newly created does not participate in the sins committed in\through the body of Christian. Why because, he doesn't subscribe to seed, he is the seed of God in us and not in support of the demands of the body. Romans 7:7-25. You still carry same body just as Adam still lived in same flesh after he sinned. The flesh is at war with the new man who is born anew and there is struggle on a constant basis. Sin now lives and reside in the outer court of our tabernacle - the body.

to be continue.

MostHigh: I do.

@ shdemidemi,

After reading this article, I hereby confirm the grace of God on your life as an Apostle of 'Grace through faith'. You are a gift to this forum and those who appreciate the gift of God in your life should thank God for you and as questions when you are misunderstood or not clear.

Before God and man, like I said, I was going to start a similar topic I was going to tithe 'sin shall not have dominion over you'. But as it is, the Spirit is one. I will subtitle my teaching under this thread and will amplify your teachings.

This is the end time, beginning with pentecost and the Spirit is poured out already. The word of God is fast destroying the religious spirits.

However, lemme start by laying a foundation into what I'm going to teach and introduce the Apostolic doctrine in Romans any ANYBODY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS THREAD CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.

When Adam sinned and death by sin, what part of Adam sinned and what part of Adam died? Body, soul or spirit?

ANYBODY CAN ANSWER PLEASE AND WE FELLOWSHIP TOGETHER.

ijawkid: The confusion ends at 1 corinthians 8:6 amongst all other clear renderings......

The Father is the one GOD alone......

when once people run away from this one clear truth confusion surely arises.....

Please remember.....ONE closely always attached to the Father alone.....

ONEEEEEEEEE

Abeg make I go to where my daily bread is jorr. There is also ONE Spirit, ONE Lord and scripture also says, THE ONE Lord IS the ONE Spirit.....are you still confused about that?