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CodeTemplar:
See them already. Are there no orphaned members from humble background graduating from CU and LU yearly? The answer is they exist and in substantial number, so what are you talking about. It is a matter of giving a percentage of admission slots to the brilliant and poor(orphaned) via scholarship and then making the best of the rest pay according to the set standard.
I am ashamed of you bros.

What in the world are you talking about? When a man does good, he will be commended for it and no one hating on Oyedepo and his contribution to the community but just make it AFFORDABLE TO THE AVERAGE MEMBERS SO MAJORITY CAN ATTEND PLUS AND STILL GIVE OUT SCHOLARSHIPS TO THOSE WHO NEED IT BECAUSE U CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME.

And you don't have to be ashamed of me because I don't carry shame neither do I say or do shameful things, you just can't deal with truth because you made Oyedepo your god that can't be touched or spoken against.

CodeTemplar:
Let me book space for haters who will come and shout "some members can't afford it".

Because YOU ALREADY KNOW an average member won't be able to afford the price tag that will eventually be placed on it....just like the universities.

Before they start to brag they didn't borrow a dime from the bank or any institution, I hope the members will be able to afford these houses to rent unlike the university that was built with same members' money but wasn't affordable. Btw, why do you tagged it Oyedepo massive estate? His personal property or church investment? I'm just curious

You can hate me for telling the truth....I really don't care....

Dencotext:
Though you took time to write defensively, but I will still bare my mind. I do not like ambiguity. Please it would be better to be precise about the facts of what you gave and how God blessed you.

Well I got B2 in math in 1988 when I was not tithing and again I got A1 in 2007 on my second attempt when I was not tithing,

so I wonder why you took delight in outrightly discrediting others.

God blessed you because you gave,


1. please tell us exactly what you did,
2. what you gave,
3. and how it happened that He blessed you


I want to solved my problems by understanding how God works. I did not get to where I am here today by storytelling. Please I BEG YOU be practical... I will commend you when you write what WE LEARNED from I promised.

Okay....I broke your comments into paragraphs and I'm responding to you according to how I broke it down above:

First of all, I don't have to put FIGURES out here to who and who I gave support to. I'm a believer and I know lying is not of the Spirit of God so if you can't believe what I'm saying that's ok.... I'm only saying to you and to your/our audience BECAUSE of the same claims you claim about what and what you did and how you was blessed and or had good or better grades BECAUSE YOU TITHE.

AGAIN AND AGAIN....you keep repeating your grades when tithe or when not tithe....I'm asking you or challenging YOU....ARE THERE NO PEOPLE WHO DID NOT TITHE IN THE SAME YEAR YOU WROTE THE SAME EXAM BUT PERFORMED BETTER THAN YOU OR HAD BETTER GRADES THAN YOU? Answer my question!

I'm NOT discrediting anyone....IM REFUTING AND CHALLENGING the wrong teaching or sentiments you passing accross as regards tithing.

Good didn't bless me BECAUSE I GAVE....I gave (NOT THAT I TITHE) BECAUSE IM ALREADY BLESSED BY GOD. No man can give what he doesn't have!

Regards question one to three...it's already being answered above!

We know how God works from His word and we're not talking about story telling here, we all should take action. But you confused or mix tithe with giving....I separate them....while tithe is a FIXED LEGALISTIC 10 PERCENTAGE..... giving is any percentage as one decide in his heart in keeping with your household expenses and that could be any percentage.

I might or not stop responding to you depending how the thread goes or how I feel from the content of your response? Because I'm beginning to feel you are using more sentiments peddled with a little verse here and I little verse there

First of all, I'm never equating myself to God as giver OF LIFE....you came up here with "sentiments" added like or as if I'm equating myself to God as giver of life. When I said that I'm a STANDSTILL GIVER.... off course everyone reading understand that in context I'm referring to money and anything someone can easily afford to give....my time, my documents to invite someone or as co sponsor etc. So let's understand that.

2. Everything any man gives, it's ALWAYS A PERCENTAGE OF WHATEVER HE OR SHE HAS OR WAS GIVEN. If I have 100 and I DECIDED IN MY HEART..... according to scripture you quoted, to give 15 percent....I still have 85 percentage to deal with my expense and bills from and doesn't mean I'm keeping the whole of 85 percentage to myself. That's why scripture says decide in your heart what you will give IN KEEPING UP WITH YOUR HOUSEHOLD...(my paraphrase)

3. The scripture you quoted also said, ....NOT UNDER COMPULSION....you should give. Don't you think that doesn't meet tithe requirement because tithe is a FIXED PERCENTAGE...a tenth! It's being legalistic and A MUST DO! Christian giving is a or wasn't taught TO BE A MUST DO OR BEING LEGALISTIC as though guided BY A LAW TO DO IT.

4. When I give to help growing church in Nigeria or support a growing ministry, it's a certain percentage of my income and when I give to care for my wife and parent in Nigeria that's a certain percentage also, when I care for friends and those in need, that's another percentage....I WON'T CALL NONE OF THOSE TITHE because every requirement you have to meet for it to me called Tithe is NO MORE IN PLACE AND EFFECTIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTAMENT.

5. LASTLY, I want to REFUTE the FACT that, there are people WHO DO NOT give the so called "TITHE" but still score A1 or excellent in exams and also have good health, blessed with children and good things of life....what is it responsible for the BLESSINGS of those kind of people if THEY DO NOT TITHE.... because what I see your doing is tying up your grades and success TO TITHING as if you just tithe and go to sleep and don't have any other input whatsoever.

GoodMuyis:
Tithing Predate the law, it's a Kingdom Practice. That men abuse it does not mean it should be annulled. Even the then sacrifice was abused by the priest then.

Animal sacrifices and burnt offering predated the law also, DO YOU STILL PRACTICE THOSE? Why do we single out tithe only and argue it predated the law? Think for your in the word if you have been told a lie or not

There is a difference between the old ways of praying or prayers and the new covenant ways of praying or prayers in the finished works of God.

One of the things God will never do is WHAT HE'S ALREADY DONE. It is wrong to tell or teach people to pray for favor instead of teaching people to pray as one's already favoured.

If you are called into ministry, you must find a way not to follow the traditional teachings of men in the organized church but distinct yourself from men and their doctrine passed down, you must learn from the Spirit of God and that makes your ministry standout.

Good bless!

hypertension:
So u can pay tithes and kill and be saved..

Let me get stupid with u.

please i am showing u the truth..u can keep paying tithes..its not a problem to me. i know how difficult it is to change peoples views..so i understand bro.

Ive defended the faith of tithing for too long because i never read the scriptures on my own. Now i did, i know the truth. only decided to share.

i know alot of people have flaws from tithing. I here to let them know its right not to pay but u must continie giving to the church for ur blessings not as tithe.

You have to understand these tithe payers are deep in religious and Judaism more than you can imagine until you start talking with them. There is a massive misinformed and miss interpretation of scripture by the religious leaders teaching on the pulpit.

Tell them to stone a rebellious child of theirs to death, they will tell u we're in the new testament but their is nowhere the Apostles taught tithe in the new testament either...they will continue to argue you down.

I'll tell you what.... CULTURE, TRADITION AND ERROR IS ONE PLAGUE to get rid of from those that had eaten deep into it. Because of pride, people can't let go their errors, culture and tradition....trust me....we have to continue the fight!

Dencotext:
Well the statistics should tell. From 1990 when I gave my life to Christ newly till 2009, my average monthly earning never exceeded N10,000 at the peak! That is a periodi of twenty years and man I have become old already, passed the age of useful employment.

When I started tithing in 2010, I was giving exactly N800/month and by 2015 when I left Nigeria, I was sowing N35,000/month as tithing. And that was a period of 5 years! By your surmise maybe this was a good coincidence or I have simply become lucky while tithing when I was over 40 years old?! I like this luck then...

Now I am in Europe. Under 5 years I got my Bachelor degree also and now I am doing my Master degree. When I asked GOD why this was happening while tithing, He told me... HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT TITHING IS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE YOU RICH? RATHER IT IS INTENDED TO MAKE YOU BLESSED. I HAVE BLESSED YOU FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY, ACADEMICALLY, HEALTH WISE, AND EVEN MATERIALLY. WITHIN 5 YEARS YOU HAVE ACHIEVED ALL YOUR DREAMS, BOUGHT LAND, RENTED A BIG APARTMENT, GOTTEN A DEGREE, AMASSED WEALTH AND TRAVELLED TO BASE ABROAD IN ITALY.

I said GOD forgive me. I thought it was to get us richer FINANCIALLY only! But now I know you intended to BLESS us and to keep us happy and contented! So I will tell people the truth. Back to you, since you did not believe in BLESSING since tithing did not augur well with you? Do you believe in GOODLUCK at least? Maybe I HAVE simply been Buona Fortuna (in italiano) while tithing so I like losing my money that way to churches and pastors.

First let me say this,

The kingdom truth ARE HIDDEN AND REVEALED IN THE PARABLES OF CHRIST. That being said, let me go to my points in response to what you said above:

1. There are millions of people who do not tithe but ARE STILL BLESSED OR BETTER BLESSED SPIRITUALLY, FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, ACADEMICALLY, HEALTH WISE etc as you mentioned above? I'm a living example and also knows people who are doing well or more than those paying tithes. So the question is....WHAT IS WORKING FOR THOSE NOT TITHING BUT STILL ENJOY THE SAME OR MORE THAN THOSE WHO PAY TTHE.... I'll tell you what it is ----- The kingdom truth Christ hid in HIS PARABLES....The heavenly Father makes rain fall on the just and the unjust!

2. What good father will tell his children to bring tithes first BEFORE he will bless them?

3. It's typical of tithe payers to always or mostly think from their minds that God is talking to them not knowing their thinking of their mind how maybe their paying tithe is what is working for them whenever they making some progress.

4. I'm am BLESSED TODAY NOT BECAUSE I PAY TITHE BUT BECAUSE IM A STANDSTILL GIVER. I give to people around me that I see suffering, I set people up with business capitals, I support church that are just growing, etc...I do these and don't even want them calling me to thank me. You know why? I know to whom much is given, much is expected and I was given by God for myself but for myself and people around me.

MuttleyLaff:
Extra simply, put imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving hasnt produced a believer ever yet on the first ten of the Forbes' list

Endorsed!

Simply put,

Tithe since ages and since Nigerian Christians had been paying, they have not become one of the richest or wealthiest people on the planet earth but rather their so called pastors have being ranked top ten richest in Africa......Pause for a minute and RE-Think about this!

Bottom line, tithe had never made any tithe payer rich or wealthy, it's is hardworking/deligence, God's grace on you and your work, effective use of your brain or senses or ideas to plan/management of your money so your money can work for you.....THESE ARE WHAT RICH AND WEALTHY PEOPLE DO THEY DO NOT PRAY TO BE BLESS THROUGH TITHING NEITHER DO THEY TITHE.

Simply put,

Tithe since ages and since Nigerian Christians had been paying, they have not become one of the richest or wealthiest people on the planet earth but rather their so called pastors have being ranked top ten richest in Africa......Pause for a minute and RE-Think about this!

Bottom line, tithe had never made any tithe payer rich or wealthy, it's is hardworking/deligence, God's grace on you and your work, effective use of your brain or senses or ideas to plan/management of your money so your money can work for you.....THESE ARE WHAT RICH AND WEALTHY PEOPLE DO THEY DO NOT PRAY TO BE BLESS THROUGH TITHING NEITHER DO THEY TITHE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l78JNV6TqzA

When will such a revolution and mindset begin among Nigeria Mega Churches? This is pure Apostolic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd52pLLw_0E

Jamesayo:
You with understanding eyes, can you please enlighten the church in your true light of fasting? Next time, voice out your opinion, not judge what they do. #Hypocrite...

Sound doctrine doesn't depend on YOUR OR MY OPINION....and I have not by any means judged yet but if I do, I judge righteously. You people are too difficult to correct....you have believed lies for too long thinking those lies are truth

Omooba77:
Mathhew 17:21 sir

Continue to quote Christ out of context you hear.

Omooba77:
Leave us to God sir! The mercy of God has been keeping us.

I pray the eyes of you and your organized religious setting be opened to the finished work of Christ as far as it concerns fasting and prayers.

You people fast religiously as a ritual not understanding the true meaning of fasting as far as God is concerned. I pray the eyes of your understanding and RCCG organized church be opened to the true meaning of fasting in the finished works of Christ.

You people fast religiously as a ritual not understanding the true meaning of fasting as far as God is concerned. I pray the eyes of your understanding and RCCG organized church be opened to the true meaning of fasting in the finished works of Christ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd52pLLw_0E

alBHAGDADI:
That verse is not talking about what your are saying. Read the chapter from verse one to see.

Stop quoting out of context.

Smh! Your deception is beyond redemption!

alBHAGDADI:
It is not everything Jesus and his disciples did that were recorded.

John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

If not everything Jesus and Apostles did that was recorded....THEN DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT'S WRITTEN....1 Cor. 4vs6

EVILFOREST:
PLEASE let’s stop all these and allow GOD to concentrate on Nigeria and see if we can be liberated this year

Wake up and start taking responsibility for yourself and the nation. You don't need prophecy or God to concentrate on Nigeria, we need to start taking action. You consume too much of religion and neglect your well being by standing up to action.

America is what it is because Americans took action. They wasn't waiting on any prophecy or God to concentrate on them. Two things God will never do - what He had already done and what you are suppose to do. Have a blissful new year

alBHAGDADI:
You think Christianity is only about the new Testament? No wonder your kind are always quick to throw away the old testament as if it's no longer God's word. See what the book of Proverbs which is not a law of Moses said to we children of God about firstfruits.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the
firstfruits of all thine increase:

If you say we shouldn't obey the above verse because it is on the old testament, then what you are saying is that we should also disobey God and our parents because the same book advises on that too.

Proverbs 1:1-9
1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;

2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck

The foundation of the church is CHRIST and no other foundation should be built. You see how you make mockery of yourself, you can't show just one scripture in the new covenant where Christ and the Apostles taught first fruit as January salary... shame unto you and your moG and your calling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbzYQSK9hvI

First fruit IS A MODERN DAY RELIGIOUS SCAM

alBHAGDADI:
Stop quoting scriptures out of context. The verses you are referring to are seen below and they are speak of Jesus being their first of those who will rise from the dead at the resurrection. The passage in no way speaks of the living and giving offering to God.

1 Corinthians 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

You that knows the scripture and know how to quote it in context....please show us or quote JUST ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT CHRISTIAN WAS TAUGHT FIRST FRUIT

^^^

I stand with you 100% on this!

VBCampaign:
Truth is that like many Nigerians I'm at a crossroad as to who to vote for. This morning I'm just considering Ezekwesili

MuttleyLaff:
I can count on my hand how many times I've heard Oby speak, give TV interviews, participating in town hall meetings, sentising herself to the electorate. Not very much when compared wth Sowore's, so I am intrigued, what has Oby said this morning, that is swaying you towards her.

I personally would like to consider Sowore if our system would allow us in the diaspora to vote and our vote will actually count. We just should stop recycling all these old politicians....my opinion though.

Btw, great article in the OP. Always good to read from you brother Deji Yesufu.

CodeSapien:
You mean i should start a spiritual death census? Na waa oh

There is NOTHING like spiritual death after the first Adam....which was the reason for the second Adam. All deaths, miracles, violence etc was physical and eye witnessed. The death you and Oyedepo being calling on enemies, unlike the fire of Elijah or the very blindness of Paul you quoted are all physical and people can see it....you and Oyedepo can't call a physical fire down which is a deception by the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbzYQSK9hvI

First fruit is a religious scam

CodeSapien:
In Acts didnt Paul pronounce blindness upon the manipulative sorcerer?
It means Paul was acting like Oyedepo or Oyedepo was acting like Paul. You choose.

What are you talking about? How is that compared to if Paul would have cursed the person to die and he died? Will he have a means of repentance? And btw, since you and Oyedepo has being cursing n praying fall and die prayers, how many had died?

https://www.nairaland.com/4919967/why-it-cars-belonging-members

Hopefully you find an answer

CodeTemplar:
The bible was talking about the need not to take Judgement in to our hands by retaliating back but let him bring upon them his vengeance.
Even the bible contradicts Adelaje here.

Brother, read the Bible in context and let God deal with the enemies the way He deem best and tell your pastor to stop calling fire on enemies or praying enemies to die for you....it's as sintas that. Christ and Apostolic teachings NEVER taught we should pray for enemies to die by fire etc