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Well done!

Brother Ola, please stop being an hypocrites here. Kindly address the scripture that says folks should use their tithe money to buy and drink alcohol\wine\strong drink which your OP preach against and yet you and your folks are collecting the same tithe money from them.

Candour: @frosbel2,I saw the following sometime ago and it really describes the journey of the church

''Christianity started as a movement in Jerusalem,it got to Greece and became a philosophy, got to Rome and became an institution, spread all over Europe and became a culture......got to America and became an Enterprise..a BIG ENTERPRISE.. but Christ is coming back for a movement''

Unfortunately it's the enterprise version that is spreading like wild fire all over black Africa and particularly Nigeria and people assume the church is waxing stronger.

I believe until the church gets back to the simplicity of the apostles and the early church,we'll just have large numbers in our pews but few souls to present to the Lord.

@ Brother Candour,

Grace and truth be multiplied to you. I saw same also and even mentioned it in one of my past comments; can't remember the thread though. Read my EDITED version as I read when I first read it.

''Christianity started as a movement in Jerusalem,it got to Greece and became a philosophy, got to Rome and became an institution, spread all over Europe and became a culture......got to America and became an Enterprise..a BIG ENTERPRISE.. got to NIGERIA and became SPIRITUALITY...but Christ is coming back for a movement''

....that's why you often read even on this forum some folks (names withheld) always mention and talk about SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES

@ Brother Frosbel, Keep doing the works of an evangelist bro. God bless you.

God bless you brother for this Grace filled article - We shall preach and teach in season\out of season.

OLAADEGBU: Neither Wine nor Strong Drink

"For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

Whether or not the Bible clearly commands total abstinence from alcohol for Christians, it is increasingly being recognized that alcohol is the most widely abused and dangerous drug of all—causing more fatal accidents and injuries, more broken homes, more intimate promiscuity, more job absenteeism, and more disease than cocaine or any other drug. Yet it is widely promoted socially and increasingly is being accepted even among evangelical Christians.

But the example of John the Baptist is worth considering. The angel Gabriel testified that he would be "great in the sight of the Lord" and then added that he would "drink neither wine nor strong drink," implying a connection between the two. Indeed, Christ called John the greatest man who had ever lived up to that time (Matthew 11:11)--that is, greater than even Abraham, Moses, or Daniel!

Then the very same verse says that John would "be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb," and he is the only man of whom that was ever said. Again there seems to be a connection, for no one could simultaneously drink wine or strong drink and also be filled with the Spirit. The apostle Paul also warned concerning this conflict when he said: "Be not drunk |literally, 'begin to be drunk'| with wine . . . but be filled |that is, 'be continually being filled'| with the Spirit" (Ephesians 5:18).

Drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation may or may not be permissible, but that does not make it right. "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient" (1 Corinthians 6:12). At least in John's case, being great in God's sight and being filled with the Spirit were closely associated with abstinence from alcohol. HMM

For more . . . .

OLAADEGBU: Does the bible command total abstinence from alcohol for Christians?

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.....The same tithe you preach\teach says people should use the money from their crops and livestock (original tithe content) to buy strong drink\alcohol. If you must preach against alcohol\strong drink, you must also tell them not to tithe otherwise, they are also free to use their tithe money to buy alcohol\strong drink. When you do that, it is then you are preaching complete package not just preaching what suits you.

24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, [size=14pt]wine, or other alcoholic drink.[/size] Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

Deuteronomy 14
New Living Translation

Bidam: MAL 3:10..YOU QUOTED..POINT OF CORRECTION OGA GOSHEN..THE BLESSINGS THAT SCRIPTURE IS TALKING ABOUT IS NOT LIMITED TO MATERIAL POSPERITY BUT THE OVERALL WELLBEING OF A BELIEVER..IN MY LITTLE EXPERIENCES AND WALK WITH GOD I KNOW OF TITHER WHO GOD HAS BLESSED WITH ABUNDANCE HEALTH, WISDOM,DIVINE IDEAS, REVELATIONS,TIMELESS PRINCIPLES ON WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO..ETC..ETC..ANOTHER TRANSLATION SAYS FLOODGATES OF HEAVEN..SO YOU SEE..THE HEAVEN KISS THE EARTH WHEN BELIVERS USE THIS SCRIPTURAL TIMELESS PRINCIPLES.

You mean those blessings promised therein are NOT what will translate into the point that THERE WILL BE NO ROOM TO CONTAIN such blessings Is that what you're saying? When do you or people need room to contain health, wisdom, ideas? The blessings promised in that verse alone make it clear that it is blessing when blessed will translate into a position whereby there will NO MORE SPACE TO CONTAIN SUCH OUTPOURING OF BLESSINGS. Let me remind you using scripture to interpret scriptures, the BLESSINGS (such as promised in malachi 3:10) maketh RICH and adds no sorrow. You see, blessings TRANSLATES into RICHES.....and let me parallel with another scriptures, "And Abram was very RICH in cattle, in silver, and in gold. Genesis 13:2. You telling us Abraham doesn't need space or room to keep his cattles? When Malachi says, there will be NO ROOM to contain such blessing....We all understand English bro.

Bidam: KEEP QUIET..NA MY BOOK WEY I GO SOON LAUNCH NA IM I DEY QUOTE ALL THOSE THINGS FROM..U NO SEE SAY I NO ANSWER UNA..UNA NO LIKE D REVELATIONS ABI?

I don laf tire here ooooooooooo. Somebody helppppppppppppppp me please. Wetin ma eyes dey read so

Zikkyy: lol! world don spoil finish! ehnn! Bidam dey launch book! nothing we no go hear/read

@ Egbon mi Pastor Kun,

Please, let's take it easy. I've come to understand that MANY Christians say things in error as per what those they look unto had told them. We have responsibilities to lead these Christians out of falsehood step-by-step. Many needs the truth that sets them free and we shall help them out. Let's take it easy! Thank you. We're are going to lead many out of falsehood one step at a time. God bless you bro.

@ mysticgal,

Thank you sister. Lemme begin with you - helping you to fulfill Galatians 5:1,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

When I study scriptures, I ask question and sought for answers. Now, what is the 'yoke of bondage' in this context. If you read\study the whole context, it was talking about the law (of Moses) in contrast to the Grace that is found in Christ Jesus and these translations puts it better.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
Christ set us free ·so that we could live in freedom [to a place of freedom; or by means of freedom; 4:31]. So stand strong. Do not ·change and go back into the slavery of the law [ submit/be fastened to a yoke of slavery].

The balancing part of the phrase "the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free" is found in Galatia 5:13 saying,

New Living Translation (©2007)
For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love.

Now, I'm going somewhere, not saying you're are living in sinful nature but if you are, submit yourself to the Spirit of God and you shall not fulfill the sinful desire. I'm just balancing the teachings. Now, do you still agree with me to this point?

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Thanks bro. I'm doing just that but the canker worm has eaten so deep into the church. It will take consistency in God's grace to loose God's people from these grip of falsehood. GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ but the law was GIVEN by Moses. Meaning, I can GIVE you something or a gift from afar, BUT when I COME to you, I come to create a relationship and for you to KNOW me.....That's why you often hear Christ say, "I have COME....that they might HAVE life...". Grace and truth unlike the law wasn't GIVEN, He CAME. I will continue doing the work of Christ in the Apostolic Grace. God bless you bro.

Recently, we've been engaging in the Apostolic teachings of truth that sets men free from yoke of bondage and places Christians in the liberty wherein Christ has made them free. I have come to realize in recent times that, the problem confronting Christianity today is not Atheism\Atheist but Judaism\Judaizers within the body of Christ. Scripture says, "a man's enemies will be the members of his own household".

The Bible as a whole is written to three (3) different groups but mainly two, namely:

1. The Jews
2. The Gentiles or Non-Jews.
3. The Church of God - The body of Christ, comprising of the ONE new man, that is, the Jews and Gentiles.

The Jews received the law of Moses and continued in it in practicing Judaism until the Christ came and fulfilled the law of Moses because the law of Moses and the prophets were all pointing to Christ. After Christ fulfilled the law and ended it on the Cross, the Jews that became Christians were still holding onto the laws of Moses, never wanting to let go and hereby teaching the practices of the law of Moses and mixing with the new teaching of the Apostles in Christianity. They were teaching the Gentile Christians to still obey the laws of Moses in practicing Christianity. This problem has continued from the time of the Apostle till date and many are still wallowing it such not coming to the full life in Christ under the New testament teachings.

Today, just like the Judaizers of the time of the Apostles, many teachers are mixing 'some' practices of the law of Moses with the New Testament teaching claiming we're not under law but Grace while they only pick only things that favours them from the law of Moses and apply it to Christianity. What does the scripture have to say concerning these teachers and practices?

GOD'S WORD ® Translation
1From Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I was sent to lead God's chosen people to faith and to the knowledge of the truth that leads to a godly life. 2My message is based on the confidence of eternal life. God, who never lies, promised this eternal life before the world began. 3God has revealed this in every era by spreading his word. I was entrusted with this word by the command of God our Savior.

9He must be devoted to the trustworthy message we teach. Then he can use these accurate teachings to encourage people and correct those who oppose the word. 10There are many believers, especially converts from Judaism, who are rebellious. They speak nonsense and deceive people. 11They must be silenced because they are ruining whole families by teaching what they shouldn't teach. This is the shameful way they make money. 12Even one of their own prophets said, "Cretans are always liars, savage animals, and lazy gluttons." 13That statement is true. For this reason, sharply correct believers so that they continue to have faith that is alive and well. 14They shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or commands given by people who are always rejecting the truth. - Titus 1:1-3; 9-14

The above scriptures exposes those mixing Judaism with Christianity and deceiving people all over the world. The mix a little of Moses's teaching with the New Testament Christ's and Apostolic teachings - teachings what shouldn't be taught to Christians. THEY MUST BE SILENCED BY THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH THAT SETS FREE.

mysticgal: check mark3:29

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

mysticgal: hebrews7:5-10

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

mysticgal: malachi3:8-12.

8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. 12And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

mysticgal: i rest my case

My dear sister, you cannot just rest your case like that o. You have to explain how not paying tithe makes the OP loose his life. Besides, what if I tell you need to read Hebrews 7 to the end, verse 18 nullifies, cancelled and disannulled and ended tithe\tithing; will you take time to study it slowly and ask yourself question that what is the 'commandment' in verse 18 that is disanulled. Hopefully, you will understand tithing is not for Christians.

OLAADEGBU: "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember" (Acts 20:29-31).

We can see this taking place in this day and age.

The question you should be asking yourself WHENEVER you STUDY is, WHO ARE THESE MEN being talked about? But I know your problem - You don't study scriptures, you lift articles from a particular website and sit on those articles without proving all things.

Now, who are these men? You need to allow scriptures to interpret scriptures, telling you\us the answers and NOT you just guessing and punching the air. The scriptures answers for itself sir. The scriptures says, these men are those men that wants to or that are mixing Judaism with Christianity. That is, MEN AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU...from the time of the Apostles till date.

GOD'S WORD ® Translation
9He must be devoted to the trustworthy message we teach. Then he can use these accurate teachings to encourage people and correct those who oppose the word. 10There are many believers, especially converts from Judaism, who are rebellious. They speak nonsense and deceive people. 11They must be silenced because they are ruining whole families by teaching what they shouldn't teach. This is the shameful way they make money. 12Even one of their own prophets said, "Cretans are always liars, savage animals, and lazy gluttons." 13That statement is true. For this reason, sharply correct believers so that they continue to have faith that is alive and well. 14They shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or commands given by people who are always rejecting the truth.


Expanded Bible (EXB)
9 By holding ·on [firmly] to the ·trustworthy [faithful] ·word [message] just as it was taught to them, overseers can ·encourage [exhort] people with ·true [sound; healthy] teaching, and they can ·correct [reprove; refute] those who are against it. 10 There are many ·people who refuse to cooperate [unruly/rebellious people], who talk about ·worthless [empty; useless] things and ·lead others into the wrong way [deceive others]—·mainly [especially] those ·who insist on circumcision to be saved [or among the Jewish Christians;  of the circumcision]. 11 These people must be ·stopped [ silenced], because they are ·upsetting [misleading; ruining; overthrowing] whole families by teaching things they should not teach, which they do ·to get rich by cheating people [for dishonest gain]. 12 Even one of their own prophets said, “Cretans are always liars, evil ·animals [beasts], and lazy ·people who do nothing but eat [gluttons;  a quote from Epimenides, a poet from Crete (sixth century bc)].” 13 ·The words that prophet said are [ This testimony is] true. So ·firmly [severely; sharply] ·tell those people they are wrong [rebuke/admonish them] so they may become ·strong [sound; healthy] in the faith, 14 not ·accepting [paying attention to; wasting time with] Jewish ·false stories [myths; 1 Tim. 1:4; 4:7; 2 Tim. 4:4] and the commands of people who ·reject [turn their backs on] the truth.

Titus 1

Well, I don't know where to begin to sort out truth from errors in your article my brother. We love you but we will always speak out when truth is mixed with errors. The truth is, you are mixing Judaism with Christianity and serving it as a spiritual food to New Testament\Covenant Christians. That's all what I see in your article. It will be just to fully pour out the Old wine in order to fill in the New. Mixing Judaism with Christianity is the most dangerous teachings in the church today and I see you promoting such. Please, find time to understand Judaism and understand Christianity, then sort of the errors.

^^^ Seconded. People who don't ask questions or can't question some wrong practices are fueling evils in disguise.

~signed~
Goshen360

mysticgal: you stand a chance of losing your life.read malachi chapter 3,btw are you a real born again or a born against.

He stands the chance of losing his life for not tithing and where is that written in Malachi 3 please This must be a new stuff I need to know about.

The most dangerous Christians are those who MIX Judaism with Christianity under the New Covenant. Such are one of the major problems facing Christianity since the foundation and time of the Apostles till now. They quote Malachi 3:10,

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

and many of them still live in debt. Many of them are still far from what the promises of the blessings in this verse alone brings. Many of them are still borrowing from friends and families. Many of them can't feed on what the love to eat but whatever that is available is what they eat. Hmmmmm, God is NOT a liar! If God said in this verse, He will open the windows AND POUR YOU OUT BLESSINGS....that will translate into THERE SHALL BE NO MORE ROOM OR SPACE TO RECEIVE SUCH BLESSINGS and you've paying tithe without any of this evidence, it means something is wrong somewhere, if you believe God is not a liar.

Do you even understand the potency of the promise of blessing contained here in the text? Why then are you paying tithe for years and still, people have not seen that you don't have no room or space to contain much blessings. We should have seen that you do no have space anymore for parking your cars, you should not have got space for your private jets, there should be no space or room for storing these blessings to the extend of no room for it anymore. If these is not happening as evidence of the blessings poured out, it means either God is lying or something is wrong somewhere but we are certain, God is NOT a liar!

What then 'could' be wrong? Such people who obey one part of the law and don't obey the other are actually the ones operating under curse, not blessings.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Certainly, there is a curse on all who rely on their own efforts to live according to a set of standards because Scripture says, "Whoever doesn't obey everything that is written in Moses' Teachings is cursed." - Galatians 3:10

You cannot pick one thing from the law and keep it, leaving others and expect to be blessed. This is why Christ fulfilled the law and launched the Grace under the New Covenant. The Grace of our Lord Jesus under the New Covenant affects every aspect of our lives including our money\finances. Hence, we don't give because we are under a LAW to give, we give because we HAVE the GRACE to give.

zoelife: @frosbel,goshen and christembassey: u guys have said a lot on dis thread. But cld u help us summarize ur point in one sentence. One sentence alone,assuming u had to encapsulate it in a quote/doctrine.
We'll take it up from there. Because I'm seeing too many contradictions on ur theories.
Tks.

Okay sister, lemme start by stating the basic of our teachings.

We accept the Grace based giving as taught in the New Testament - that is, sharing our income and resources with God's people, the church and the worship places for the advancement of God's kingdom and in keeping up with our other social\family\living responsibilities. This Grace based giving and sharing can be any percentage as a man purpose in his heart to give and we believe therein lies God's blessing because as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease.

We reject the teachings of 'fixed' or 'legalized' (according to the law of Moses) or 'compulsory' and 'mandatory' of 10% of Christian's monthly income kind of giving called by the name 'tithe'. We believe Hebrews 7 in the entire context ended the Moses law of tithing, that is, tithing according to the law of Moses and tithing before the law of Moses while the teachings of Christ and the Apostles released Christians to free will giving.

This is the simple tenets of our Christian teachings here under Grace and herein we teach the truth of God's word for the Church. The above, if expanded contains bible truth and consistence from Genesis to Revelation. Thank you!

@ Zoelife, I'll like to take you step by step expository discussion on tithing if you don't mind. I don't mind going over and over again....until the tithe captives are all set free by the power of truth of God's word.

frosbel: You are sorely deceived, by just reading your exegesis of Scripture, it is plain to all that you have been sitting under false teaching for too long.

It's time you start studying the Bible for yourself.

Yes, he needs to sit himself down; give himself like 1-2 years and flush out the whole 'institutionalized' church system from his bible knowledge and he will come back to thank you for this piece of advice.

Bidam: Goshen360 stop misleading people with this kind of heretical statements..no where in the bible was it written that the law is holy but has sin it.. show me scriptural evidence where the bible said that word for word..i know you deliberately lifted it from the other thread for an argument...ayam waiting.......

Goshen360: You lack the biblical stamina to teach 'consistent' truth. I'm not saying that to discredit you but that's what you have shown times without counting. If you're called and given the 'prophetic' ministry, kindly stay therein and stop parading yourself as a teacher - they function in different grace. Abi you want me to lift\quote where you once told me you're called into the 'prophetic'? Need I remind you that what is written in God's holy scriptures needs 'interpretation' (Acts 8:30). Don't you know there's difference between 'quoting' scriptures and 'interpretation' of scriptures? Now, you requested for scriptures right? and please, before you jump at my words next time if you're too slow to comprehend, kindly know that NO SCRIPTURE IS OF 'PRIVATE' INTERPRETATION. That is, no scriptures is standalone when interpreted - one scripture MUST agree or compliment the other(s). Here is your scriptures,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. - Romans 7:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. - 1 Corinthians 15:56

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. - Romans 7:8

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Not one person can have God's approval by following Moses' Teachings. Moses' Teachings show what sin is. - Romans 3:20

Bidam, I want you to take all those scriptures given together (remember no scriptures is of private interpretation right) and see what you make of them and let everyone see how you can 'interpret' them. I'm also waiting brother.

brilapluz: 1 Corinthians 15:56 New International Version
(NIV) 56 The sting of death is sin, and THE POWER OF SIN IS THE LAW!

christemmbassey: for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH Rm8:1-3.

Bidam: there are two laws at work dnt mix it up..there is the law of the spirit of life and the law of sin and death...ever wondered why adam sinned even though the law wasn't instituted by then?

Goshen360: Oga, o ya tell us,

1. What exactly is the 'law of the Spirit of life'
2. What exactly is the 'law of sin and death'

Bidam, please don't dodge what you requested that I show you from scriptures o and be answering with thise below o,

Bidam: we know the law is spiritual..rom 7:14..i tithe because it is a spiritual principle ordained by God through the abrahamic convenant of blessings and the redemptive package of christ..i tithe by grace because Christ is at work in me both to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

I'm waiting for an answers after I have answered you question o or them go sabi me and you for this forum\thread.

Bidam: there are two laws at work dnt mix it up..there is the law of the spirit of life and the law of sin and death...ever wondered why adam sinned even though the law wasn't instituted by then?

Oga, o ya tell us,

1. What exactly is the 'law of the Spirit of life'
2. What exactly is the 'law of sin and death'

ATMC: egbon, abi i lie?

In fact, you're in the spirit. Lie keh! Sons and daughters of the kingdom no dey lie na. Son of man eyes don see something finish for this Nairaland o.

Zikkyy: Yes o! for example

1. When pastor tells the congregation that tithe is mandatory
2. when pastor tells non tithing congregation that tithe is a law
3. when pastor tell the non tithing congregation that they are robbing God
4. when pastor tells the non tithing congregation that tithe belongs to God
5. when pastor tells the non tithing congregation that they should watch out for the devourer

the list is endless o!

...When pastors tell the members they're cursed for not bring 10% of their income
...When Pastors tell members they can't attain any position unless by tithing and tithing records
...When pastors tell members they cannot be joined together in marriage unless they are tithers
...When promotion\spiritualities are measured by those who tithe

Make I continue

Also, preachers who invites themselves to one another's church and uses that oppotunity to raise money from God's people for one another are of those that peddles the word of God for profit. Preacher 'A' is invited to Preacher B's church and 'B' raises money for 'A' and 'A' does the same to 'B' at another time, rotating the game.

brilapluz: 1 Corinthians 15:56 New International Version
(NIV) 56 The sting of death is sin, and THE POWER OF SIN IS THE LAW!

Abeg, leaf Bidam o.....The brother needs to come close to what is called 'the MANIFOLD' revelations and blessedness of the New Testament. Many of us Christians are still holding unto the something we 'think' is precious not realizing it's all 'shadows' we're holding unto but scriptures says, the 'REALITY', unlike the shadows is FOUND IN CHRIST. I'm still waiting for Bidam to come 'interpret' those scriptures I gave him.

Joagbaje: Tell them bro. The way out of poverty is giving. Why didnt Jesus ask the church to donate to the widow but rather he commended her for giving her last mites .
Luke 21:2-4
And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God:but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

These critics would have crucified Jesus if they were there. For making such heartless comment about a poor widow.How will she feed?

I still don't understand how you want to learn other than bending on your own 'inconsistent' teachings. Everything from Genesis to revelation MUST agree to be called a sound doctrine. There, on the other thread Zikky just told you the truth and here, you are talking as if we that don't teach tithing for Christian don't teach giving or give.

Zikky: I did not at anytime state that you should do away with giving a tenth of your income to your 'church'/pastor (afterall na your money), my position is that you cannot preach the giving of specific or FIXED amounts PERCENTAGE as a must because by doing so, you 'legalize' the giving.i.e. Abraham gave not because it was God's law to give. Jacob made a promise to give a tenth of his blessings a freewill giving not driven by any law.

And over there on the other thread, I followed up with these words,

Goshen360: I hope these tithe teachers and EVERYONE sees the truth in the above revelation of yours (Zikky). However, these tithe teachers are bent on a mission. Everyone reading this thread already knows those lying and those teaching the truth. After all, whatever one gives is always a 'certain' percentage but telling Christians they MUST bring 10% is NOT of Grace based giving but it is a giving driven by the law of Moses and we all know, man is NOT blessed by keeping the law of Moses. Take away the legalized or stipulated and fixed percentage, EVERY GIVING THEN BECOMES A GRACE BASED GIVING. It's as simple as that we've arguing all weeks.

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Okay then, I've given you what you wanted or requested for on the other thread. Go and answer over there. I'm only still on this particular thread because of Image123. Cheers brother. I love you and will continue to teach you until the truth hit you.

Bidam: Goshen360 stop misleading people with this kind of heretical statements..no where in the bible was it written that the law is holy but has sin it.. show me scriptural evidence where the bible said that word for word..i know you deliberately lifted it from the other thread for an argument...ayam waiting.......

You lack the biblical stamina to teach 'consistent' truth. I'm not saying that to discredit you but that's what you have shown times without counting. If you're called and given the 'prophetic' ministry, kindly stay therein and stop parading yourself as a teacher - they function in different grace. Abi you want me to lift\quote where you once told me you're called into the 'prophetic'? Need I remind you that what is written in God's holy scriptures needs 'interpretation' (Acts 8:30). Don't you know there's difference between 'quoting' scriptures and 'interpretation' of scriptures? Now, you requested for scriptures right? and please, before you jump at my words next time if you're too slow to comprehend, kindly know that NO SCRIPTURE IS OF 'PRIVATE' INTERPRETATION. That is, no scriptures is standalone when interpreted - one scripture MUST agree or compliment the other(s). Here is your scriptures,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. - Romans 7:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. - 1 Corinthians 15:56

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. - Romans 7:8

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Not one person can have God's approval by following Moses' Teachings. Moses' Teachings show what sin is. - Romans 3:20

Bidam, I want you to take all those scriptures given together (remember no scriptures is of private interpretation right) and see what you make of them and let everyone see how you can 'interpret' them. I'm also waiting brother.

Bidam: i had to edit his lengthy sermon so you could see where he said that...who even get time for this long epistle sef.

How will you have time to read? That's why you are not learning and also cherry picking scriptures. You're only jumping from Internet article to another article not learning for yourself and apparently ending up becoming a confused man. Anyway, it wasn't addressed to you abi you see your name for my response? It was addressed to Image123 and he requested my reply. Otherwise, you have nothing meaningful to say rather than twisting scriptures.

You jumped at the my words without understanding it and that was the only thing you cherry picked. Why don't you contest the rest of the things said? It is people like you that often misinterpret scriptures the moment you hear or read the word 'sin'. You better go sidon and learn properly and again, the law is holy according to scriptures BUT the law does not make anyone holy because with the law is the knowledge of sin and the law is the power\strength of sin says the scriptures.

Zikkyy: I did not at anytime state that you should do away with giving a tenth of your income to your 'church'/pastor (afterall na your money), my position is that you cannot preach the giving of specific amounts as a must because by doing so, you 'legalize' the giving. i.e. Abraham gave not because it was God's law to give. Jacob made a promise to give a tenth of his blessings; a freewill giving not driven by any law.

I hope these tithe teachers see the truth in the above revelation of yours. However, they're bent on a mission. Everyone reading this thread already knows those lying and those teaching the truth. After all, whatever one gives is always a 'certain' percentage but telling Christians they MUST bring 10% is NOT of Grace based giving but it is a giving driven by the law of Moses and we all know, man is NOT blessed by keeping the law of Moses.

Thank you so much brother!