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potentpraise: Most people that give, give out of their tithes and if you call it offering, its still welcome as long they know its for God works... If you believe in offering then why are you wasting my time.. Offering is the biggest money grabber because there could be 1 million types of offering. So if you pay offering or give to the things or people of God, you have paid

Did you read that verse 17"17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account." That is what your tithe does

potentpraise: You are contradicting yourself and you have done that more than i can count.... If your church say bring offering, and you pay then you have indirectly paid your tithes.
As a matter of fact, many church prefer asking for offering because offering usually more than tithes. Tithes is 10% and offering could be 0-100% of the money earned including your reserved, house and property. So what are you talking about? You better go listen to Obama because he might also be paying offering to your McAthy church or what do you call it?

I give up on you! You're just jumping around without any meaning explanation. Tithe is NOT offering collected in the worship places. I don't know where God says tithe should be paid 'indirectly'. Abegii. Take your 'You're cursed gospel if you don't tithe' elsewhere. I/we aren't interested.

potentpraise: i gave you Ananias and Sapphira story.. what else do you want?
You want me to give you paul scenario... This is what real christian pastor should go through when it comes to tithes and offering

Philippians 4:15-19

15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Are you for real? Giving and receiving = TITHING Seriously?

potentpraise: What i have to say is that, because a church does not have collection box in the open or collection plate passed around during service does not necessitate the fact that they don't collect tithes. It is just that they don't see it a priority in their ministry development. Apostolic faith don't pass plate around and does have their collection box behind the door.. to the extent that if you don't open your eyes for years you may not know they collect.

But people send their envelope full of cash for tithes and offering to the church address and bank account. Many church do that.

Brother, I'm not a baby! I know what it means to collect so called 'offering' whether they pass plates or other means. When I say they don't collect tithe, I mean they don't TEACH tithing or ANTI-TITHE for CHRISTIANS. They can collect giving for special project - it will be specified and mentioned to the members. Even all these churches after collecting tithes in Nigeria, still collect all kinds of offerings and seed sowing NONSENSE!

@ potentpraise,

Please, enough of all these scripture twisting. Can you show us at least two scriptures (from the mouth of two or three, every truth shall be established) from the New Testament that tells Christians to tithe Show us please!

potentpraise: Than brother Gbile you talk about don't collect tithes, is something you are not sure about so don't say it. You may say, he never preach, collect it in the service, but some members pay their tithes and send it to his ministry either through envelop or bank transfer.

That's a lie again. John MacArthur I mentioned and many others don't collect tithe from over 10,000 members. What do you have to say about that? He has written a global Study Bible and the truth is taught in his Study Bible. What do you have to say about that? And don't tell me I'm not sure because I will give you online link.

Tempted to post my pix....You think say you fine pass me? #Run away from thread

^^^ Many churches in USA here don't collect tithe. One of them is John MacArthur of Grace Community Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._MacArthur) doesn't teach or collect tithe from over 10,000 members. Also, here: http://www.gty.org/ Tithing has no scriptural place in the New Testament.

Brother Snowwy,

Are you gonna answer my question or not

potentpraise: Dont worry i understand how you feel... You have never seen anyone who match you this way... I am glad that you are indirectly confessing and admitting that you have been wrong all this while.

I personally think your concern is not actually the tithes, but you are deeply concern about the management of tithes in most churches today.. But that may be for another topic.
But as for tithing it is real and it is still part of it.

Did I ever asked you question about how tithe is used? What is my business about that? My issue and main concern is to teach the truth of God's word. Tithe is NOT part of the New Covenant between God and the Church. It was ONLY between God and the Jews under the Old Covenant. Show us where 'Christians' were told to tithe in the NT. I'm waiting oooooo. Oga Ph.D

Snowwy: This is all you have to say. If you can blatantly disregard scripture like this without remorse, do you see why I do not take you seriously?

Now you claim not to take me serious and yet, you claimed not to be reading me with biased mind. Anyway, that's not an issue. Do you still want me repeat the same question here?

I knew that when our brother Ola suddenly disappears. He is under scrutiny and therefore, he has to go get another article from online that supports tithe.

OLAADEGBU: Will a man rob God? - R.C. Sproul

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/will-man-rob-god/

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Goshen360: God CANNOT CURSE AND BLESS AT THE SAME TIME. It's either you're out or in; you cannot be outside and inside at the SAME time. Either you are dry or wet; you cannot be under a shower and say you're dry. Either you're full or empty. God has ALREADY blessed us in the NT - It's NOT by tithing! Tithing was ONLY under the the Old Covenant bewteen God and Israel, not between God and the Church. You tithe teachers should stop threatening God's people with tithe curses of Malachi 3:9-10.

New Living Translation (©2007)
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith. - Galatians 3:13-14

You see, BLESSED!

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: - Ephesians 1:3

Again, BLESSED!

How can we be ALREADY blessed and the tithe teachers still tell us we're CURSED God cannot bless and curse at the same time just like the Old and New Testament does not existed the same time - God took away (minus, subtracted) the Old, that He may establish (add, save) the New.

@ potentpraise,

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Only God can forgive you! Continue twisting God's word. That was an example of 'sacrificial giving'.

potentpraise: If you are looking for a specific word then you will sleep on this topic till next 100 years
But to buttress my point that it was not cancelled lets look at what Jesus Said...Mark 12:41-44

41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

So the text in Hebrews doesn't specifically mention tithe? Why won't I look for specific word 'tithe' and yet you're quoting a text in Acts that doesn't talk about tithe at all. By the way, since you're the PH.D holder here, how does the scriptures quoted referred to tithe or tithing?

^ Abeg, go answer your question on the other thread please.

Snowwy: @Goshen,
When I say you make allegations you will deny. What is the meaning of you people Never? You ask questions that ate answered but because you just have shut your mind, you say its not answered? I can see you have resorted to lieing as well.

Post the simple question and let me see if you have not been answered already.
We can discuss just like Paul did in the synagogue but if scriptural references are not enough for you, you need to check yourself.

Okay. Thank God you are here to answer and don't tell me it's already answered because what was already answered is what I'm still questioning.

The question is, Hebrews 7:5 says the levites have commandment to TAKE TITHES. Verse 18 says, the commandment is cancelled.....Question, Will the cancellation also include 'to take tithe' or will the cancellation in verse 18 also include but not limited to the commandment to take tithe YES or NO?

That's my question. And don't bother about if I had resort to lying or not....

potentpraise: Where did you get that from.. Haven't you learned from what happened in Act 2:45-46

"45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,"

And where does the text 'suggest' or says THEY TITHED

potentpraise: You are back again, you brother Goshen has agreed with me that tithes still reign supreme in our christian lives.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what kind of cajole is this? Where did I agree? Me? Where? When? How? Bros, I tire for you o

^ You're needed on the other thread please.....still on tithe. Tithe teachers have invaded this territory.

Zikkyy: So you are now the one deciding what has been abolished and what stays? Na wa o.

No mind our brother. When scriptures says the entire law had been abolished. He said, some are abolished while some remained. We have problem in the body of Christ o

truthislight: me, i will call a thief a thief.
We are suppose to say and stand for the truth like Jesus did.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. See as I open my mouth?

@ moredendisc,

That was brilliant! I just found it in my NIV Study Bible. I think Image's advice was sharp because how I go start dey type all of those things or what if the OP doesn't have the kind of recommended Bible? Anyway, sure you're doing great!

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My brother, you'll soon see then evading your questions o. Watch out!

potentpraise: We are not under the law and also the abolishment of the Law does not necessarily mean all have been cancelled, but some of the specific things like sacrifice of burnt, peace, trespass and sin offerings. Also the Aaronic priesthood has been abolish, but most of the other things are intact. For instant, paying of thither, you should not kill, you should not convert your neighbors wife, you should not steal from your neighbor, you should keep the Sabbath day holy, you should not lie or bear false witness all these are part of Moses commandments that the New Testament still uphold.

You should not worship other gods but the Almighty God its still valid today... because there is an update to a particular application does that mean the application is not valid after the update?

I know it's partial law keepers that often teach tithing. Seriously, I know it. When God cancells the law, He cancells everything! The condition attached to the law was keep all or none. When you're trying to keep some, and break other, then you're guilty of all. That's the condition for keeping the law.

All the things you mentioned that still exist today such as not killing, coveting neigbour's wife, stealing etc are ALL given to us based on the new testament because the law of God was no longer written on stones but in our heart. When Christians don't do all of those things, it wasn't because the law said so but because we have it in the NT. People also kill even when they have those laws.

There's absolutely no where the NT teaches that Christian should tithe. It is according to the law and none of the Apostles ever taught the early Christians to tithe. Besides, Christians don't keep sabbath like the Jews.

@ potentpraise

You're not saying what is plainly said. You need to read that verse 16 from different translations. It was talking about the requirements for being a Levitical Priesthood. Verse 5 clearly points to 'commandment to RECEIVE tithes' NOT requirements to qualify as a levitical priesthood. When verse 18 cancells 'the commandment' it MUST be inclusive and\or not limited 'commandment to take tithe' because verse 5 was very specific and already told us the commandment was 'to take tithe'. But you're here saying the 'commandment' was to establish levitical priesthood. That's twisting God's word!

You know I haven't asked you what your score was in comprehension as it relates to English language

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Yours is a word from HEAVEN! I'm also blessed by your words being expanded from mine. God help us all. What you often heard Jesus preached was repentance. Many are saying, "I'm born again" without repentance. And Jesus said, "Bring FORTH fruit meet for repentance". God bless you bro.

potentpraise: Yes i am impressed, but i think you have small ego if you have C4 and still argue blindly.. I noticed you want to serve God, God loves humble people willing to admit and not argue their way before God.. God said its tithes you say its tenth

Okay, let's agree to disagree. Let's say it's a play on words or usage interchangeably. Now, let's go to these questions,

Are we under the law for us to tithe according to the law? Let's take it one after the other.

potentpraise: Can i ask you a question, when did you write you GEC, WAEC, NECO or School Cert?
Also did you do well in English language?

You should know if 10 people argue to a single direction against your single opinion, they can not all be fool. Everybody has told you and they are still telling you. If you have a pastor go and show him or your spiritual father, so he can teach you.

Does that mean you're also telling us what your pastor told you? I don't need no pastor to teach me God's word. I study by the Help of Holy Spirit. I'm showing you a different thing you're saying from what scriptures said. We're NOT under the law. Why do you people want to keep us under the law....so you can keep telling Christians to tithe?

potentpraise: Can i ask you a question, when did you write you GEC, WAEC, NECO or School Cert?
Also did you do well in English language?

Yes, I did. Scored c4 in my English. Do I look like someone who don't understand English? Does that answer your questions?

potentpraise: I am not going back with you on a topic that i have trashed, even a novice can attest to that fact. So if you do not really have anything to do, go back and re-read what i have written. If that is too hard, go and pray to God so he gives you clear mind and understanding to understand his scripture.

Because you lied in your answers and I want people to read you will.

Scriptures says, commandment = RECEIVE TITHE. You said, commandment = PRIESTHOOD. What kind of manipulation is that? And you want me to leave you alone? Nbanu! Thank God for Hebrews 7 that exposes all you tithe teachers.

Snowwy: @Goshen, no I did not run off, I meant I would not stay to discuss tithe especially with you as you claim to know better.
I explain tithe, go check my past threads, I do not force or tell people to pay. Infact the mindset you hve about it, will not aid you so why bother.
I never said you raised fresh topics, I was talking generally that rasing fresh topics on tithe will not make people give or not, with all the discusion on tithe so far on NL, anyone with a willing mind should just read through. So going into discussion especially with the way you have brought up what I have past expained to you, is of no use, infact it has even become a joke to you.

I do not have a biased mind against you but I am careful reading your posts, I even commented on a topic you raised today so my mind is free but cautious that's all.

Ofcourse you can discuss away, I comment on what I want and leave when I want to not 'run away'. In this case, the OP has stated his question which was not 'why tithe?'.

Just be careful what you claim to know because a lot of times you just speak your opinion and not God's.

I hear you brother. If you're not going to discuss tithing, then I will advice you don't come into tithing thread. When you come in, then you should be ready to discuss. It doesn't matter whether we've talked it 10 times or not - faith comes by hearing. It's like saying when we preach salvation once, we shouldn't talk about it anymore. Tithe happens to be a controversial topic and you know that.

Well, you said I speak my opinion but you people NEVER answer a simple question and yet, you said tithing still valid for NT Christians. Do you care to also answer my simple question?

potentpraise: A man work and at the end of his two weeks he got a paycheck, lets say $100.. His actual total earn income was not $100 but let say the government has taken $20 for tax, EI, Medical, IN etc and the money he has in his hand is $100 but total made before tax was $120 you can not say he should pay $20 tithes because its not part of what he can spend, nor is it under the doctrine of tithing. The doctrine of tithing which also meant tenth percent of what you earn means Abraham took all and paid tithes of all that he could pay tithes on, which does not include the men that went with him to war, Lot and his family, including his slave, but the property of those that took Lots and his house hold captive which include their women, goats, cattle, gold, silver, brass, food and their slaves..

Okay, given your analysis compared to that of Abraham. You can say Abraham tithed from whatever is left which you even agree from the highlight above those things were NOT his 'personal' properties. Why do you people draw compulsory tithing from what Abraham did which wasn't even tithed from his 'personal' properties or increase?

potentpraise: Mr Goshen, you are shifting from tithes has been abolished to Tithes is different from Tenth percent, please know that God is the best mathematicians and knows what he is talking about and the writer of Hebrew who is Paul is not a novice too, but an educated man, who must have vert and analyze the book of Moses before writing about it. So you can not be smarter than them even if you have triple PhDs which i doubt you have even 1.

So just rest your argument because it holds no water but leaking lots of fluids.. sorry i have to be sincere with you

Okay, since you think I'm shifting now. Let's go back to the main issue then. Your answers then was the priesthood was the one that was abolished but verse 5 says they have commandment and that commandment is TO TAKE TITHE. It is NOT commadment to ESTABLISH PRIESTHOOD. When the commandment is annulled, what was cancelled? Priesthood?