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Candour: Imagine my shock the first day i stumbled(i mean it in the literal sense) on Deut 14:22-29.

Just last nite while we were actively engaged on this thread, i was also having a bible discussion with a number of my colleagues and the issue of tithe came up.One of them came up with the usual ''i will still pay whether you like it or not'' and i asked him to read out Deut 14:22-29.when he got to verse 27 i think,he closed his bible and dropped his head for sometime.i just patted his back and told him i understand what he was thinking.he left with a resolve to start studying his bible more and that made me happy.

Let us encourage folks to study their bibles more and rightly divide the word of truth.God will surely help his children.

Funny but true. That's to tell us how people had gone crazy about this tithe thing. I can't stop at the highlight above. The day I showed my Pastor same scripture was when he STOPPED preaching tithe to the church which is a Bronx, New York. We now practice Grace giving as it is and believe God for ALL SUFFICIENCIES towards ministry.

Thank you my brother!

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Tithe to you? The hot sit is right here......please you sef fit follow attempt to answer the question as you see wetin I trap inside that question. E be like say your own eyes open to see wetin I bury inside that question wey others like Snowwy dey do gra-gra dey answer and in the course, they're exposed. You wan answer your own version ni

Image123: what? what? what? Give no room to the devourer brother, he's making you incoherent here.

No worry. I know say I be I.T and computer man. All the things you dey do na eim I dey see. I'll soon report to Admin.

Image123: so much insincerity and itching ears on this thread BTW.

Comot there joor. Why you sef no come answer the question. Abi you no wan sidon for hot sit again ni

potentpraise: You should by now be silenced with all my facts and references,,, You better go pay your tithes so God can bless you. If you pay your tithes you will see that your jalopy will be changed to Bentley in no time when God will shower is blessing on you. I know you like cars and you have been looking at those cars that pass by King Street in downtown NY

Tithe ko, Tithe ni. When God had already blessed me. You know the car I dey even drive sef? Make I send you my picture and the car I dey drive? You think say I pay tithe to buy my car?

Candour: You see how you mis-interprete almost everything? I just saw the transcript of Ben Carson's speech in your other thread and i am amazed you didn't see that he was trying to advice Americans to adopt a uniform tax rate for everybody.

"What about our taxation system — so complex there is no one that can possibly comply with every jot and tittle," he noted, going on to call for a simpler (i.e. flat tax) system. "When I pick up my Bible, you know what I see — I see the fairest individual in the universe — God — and he’s given us a system. It’s called tithe."

He was simply advocating a fair tax system that applied equally to everybody hence the reference to the bolded portion in the quote.

May God give us understanding

Don't mind this brother Ola sef. I also watched the video. He's beginning to see tithe in EVERYTHING so tay he dey see tithe for AMERICA as a NATION. Na whaooooooooooo

Image123: Gosh, you don't know what you are doing. How then can you know what i am doing? Don't allow the devourer to whisper cunning ideas into your ears. You need to give those tithes asap.

I KNOW for sure say you no fit vex for me even if I open ya yansh for this forum. Abi you no be my brother again ni

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obadiah777: LMAO YOU MUST BE HIGH ON GBEGIRI FUMES. IT IS A CONVENANT THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED ON EARTH. THIS IS IT IN HEBREWS

HEBREWS 8 VS 10 [size=20pt]For this is the[/size] covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: <<< MEANING NO MORE SINNING. THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL ARE STILL SINNING TODAY AS WE SPEAK. LOOK ALL OVER SOUTHERN NAIJA FOR EXAMPLE ? ALL KINDS OF SIN GOING ON. THAT CONVENANT IS NOT IN EFFECT YET. THIS WILL HAPPEN AFTER HEAVEN IS ESTABLISHED ON EARTH.

My brother, abeg go find that gbegiri take chop eba or amala you hear Hebrews quoted the same Jeremiah text and called it "THIS IS...". It's just the same when Peter quoted Joel on the day of Pentecost and said THIS IS....that which was prophesied of prophet Joel. Your theology baffles me sometimes. Abeg make I register you for Harlem English course ni

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You're always found of lifting article all over the Internet just to answer a simple question. How do you conclude I took one and leave the other out? The New Testament doesn't refer to 'offering' as the money we give when we gather together in worship - it is the religious church that called it offering.

I have challenged you to show us a text where what we give in worship places is called 'offerings' you're yet to show us and yet, you're lifting articles to tell me how someone taught tithe for America. Did America ever tithed BEFORE the developed or created wealth for themselves and help other countries? Now, you're taking this tithe gospel beyond the walls of worship places to country level.....Chei, I fear for you now!

obadiah777: AHHH BUT YOU DO ERR. A NEW CONVENANT IS DIFFERENT FROM A NEW TESTAMENT. NOW I SEE WHERE YOUR STUMBLING BLOCK IS. A NEW CONVENANT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED ON EARTH AND THE NEW CONVENANT IS THAT THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL WILL HAVE THE WORDS INSCRIBED ON THEIR INSIDES ( A SYMBOLIC WAY OF SAYING THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SIN ANYMORE. THEY WILL BE MADE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE HEART WILL KNOW NO SIN ANYMORE )

JEREMIAH 31 VS 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. <<<< NEW CONVENANT WHEN KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED. CONVENANT IS DIFFERENT FROM TESTAMENT. JUST MEANS A WRITTEN DOCUMENT. SO WE HAVE AN OLD AND A NEW WRITTEN DOCUMENT. THEY ARE CONTINUOUS BUT ONE IS OLD AND ONE IS NEW. NOTHING TO DO WITH CONVENANT. PONDER ON THIS POST FOR A MINUTE

Buzu, I can't believe you wrote this trash. Jeremiah 31:33 is ALREADY fulfilled in Romans 11:27; 2 Corinthians 3:3; Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16 respectively. Jeremiah 31:33 is a promise with the phrase "THIS SHALL BE...I WILL" but in the fulfilling verses I listed, the phrase becomes, "THIS IS..." to fulfill what "SHALL BE and I WILL...". Take your mind of religion please.

Obadiah777, You see wetin you turn this thread into abi? .....because of that your yeye philosophy. I meant something else in the article and you're accusing me of something else. Now your kwaliscious philosophy has turned the thread into a trash can Anyway, na because you be my person o, I for weep you seriously

obadiah777: OUCH THAT SOUNDS PAINFUL. A STICK STUCK UP MY ASSSS THAT IS . I WOULD SAY HAPPY VALAMTIME BUT SCRIPTURE DO SAY DO NOT GO INTO THE WAYS OF THE HEATHEN. AS SUCH VALAMTIME IS HEATHENISTIC AND PAGAN. ALTHOUGH ON SATURDAY I WOULD WISH YOU HAPPY SABBATH DAY

So you also teach sabbath for Christians right?

obadiah777: YOU DO KNOW THAT THE FIRST FRUITS WERE SELECTED BY THE LAWS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT RIGHT ? THE CONCEALMENT HAPPENED WHEN THE WORLD WAS HANDED TO THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE ON DOWN TO THE ROMAN EMPIRE ( WHICH WE ARE IN NOW ). AND THEN IN THE LAST DAYS THE WORD WILL BE OPENED ( BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT ). SO THE WORDS WERE BOTH OPENED AT THE SAME TIME. SO I DONT UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM WITH YOUR HYPOTHESIS. THE BIBLE IS ONE WHOLE BOOK. THERE IS NO DIVISION. RELIGION HAS CONFUSED YOU INTO THINKING IT IS 2 DIFFERENT BOOKS. THE OLD TESTAMENT IS FROM LIKE 10,000 BC TO 100 BC WHILE THE NEW TESTAMENT IS FROM LIKE 100 BC TO CURRENT DAY 2013 AND THEN BEYOND. IT IS A CONTINUOUS BOOK. NOT TWO DIFFERENT BOOKS FROM WHICH ONE HAS TO BE SEEN IN THE LIGHT OF THE OTHER.

You're confused bro Why do you have Old and New in the ONE bible then? You see how you entered my thread and turned it into something else? I'm here to deal with you anyways

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. - Mark 14:24

When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear. - Hebrews 8:13

Why don't you people ALSO follow the rest of the context in Deuteronomy 22 Why do you pick out only verse 5 Christians ARE NOT JEWS! Those were written to the Jews - follow or obey ALL or NONE!

obadiah777: 2 CORINTHIANS 3 VS 6 IS A FOLLOW ON STATEMENT NOT AN ABSOLUTE STATEMENT. IT SAYS ' WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT'. MEANING THERE IS A TESTAMENT BEFORE THAT WHICH HAS ALREADY BEING MASTERED. THIS WILL BE THE OLD TESTAMENT.

AND NOT OF THE LETTER BUT OF THE SPIRIT MEANING WE ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT NOW AND NOT BY THE LAW. THE SPIRIT SHOULD DICTATE TO YOU WHAT IS RIGHT NOW AND NOT WRITTEN LAWS. A BACKING VERSE WOULD BE ROMANS 8 VS 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

ROMANS 8 VS 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

You and this your azonto dancing around sef. The Bible is a progressing revelation. When Jesus revealed things concerning himself to his disciples FROM MOSES TO THE PROPHETS, did he show to them from Acts, or from Romans or from Ephesians? What you have in the OLD is ALL concealed. It is the New that revealed it. For instance, the argument of Grace and law is concealed in Sarah and Hagar. Apostle Paul by the Spirit and revelation of God revealed it. Such as many of the same thing concealed in the Old but revealed in the New.

obadiah777: THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF MUMBO JUMBO. THE OLD STANDS ON ITS OWN AS WELL AS THE NEW STANDS ON ITS OWN. YOU DONT INTERPRET ONE IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER. WHAT YOU DO IS JOIN ONE TO THE OTHER AND LINK UP THE RELEVANT PARTS. SCRIPTURE SAYS 'I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK'. SO YOU BEING A NEW TESTAMENT TEACHER IS PREPOSTEROUS.
ISAIAH 28 VS 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;


GOSHEN YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK

How the do you interpret this verse,

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. - 2 Corinthians 3:6

HOW

obadiah777: NOTHING LIKE SOME BLESSING FROM APOSTLE GOSHEN. * SPRINKLES HOLY WATER * LMAO

You see your life? Where did I say 'some' blessings? I said, knee down make you receive blessings. I didn't say 'some' blessing.

obadiah777: THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF MUMBO JUMBO. THE OLD STANDS ON ITS OWN AS WELL AS THE NEW STANDS ON ITS OWN. YOU DONT INTERPRET ONE IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER. WHAT YOU DO IS JOIN ONE TO THE OTHER AND LINK UP THE RELEVANT PARTS. SCRIPTURE SAYS 'I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK'. SO YOU BEING A NEW TESTAMENT TEACHER IS PREPOSTEROUS.
ISAIAH 28 VS 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;


GOSHEN YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK

So when you are linking one with the other, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU DOING Dancing azonto or wetin una dey call am

obadiah777: I AM GONE. AND WILL TRY TO SIN NO MORE

NOOO, Don't go yet. Lemme blessing you with Apostolic blessing for today. Knee down and receive your blessings

brainpulse: It is on issues like this you support the Old testament and that is when its laws are important and relevant.

Again, misconceptions or misunderstanding. It's good you ask questions and speak out rather than having misconceptions in your heart...The title says: "... In The Light Of The New Testament". You people need start interpreting the Old WITH the NEW NOT interpreting the NEW with the OLD. The Old was concealed and the New REVEALS it. Brother, you have a lot of work to do in studying. I NEVER taught the Old is OFF. What you have in the Old is concealed and when you read the Old, the New MUST be in your mind to interpret the Old. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying. I have just interpreted that scripture (Deuteronomy) in the LIGHT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I'm a New Testament teacher, not the Old.

obadiah777: AHHH I SEE YOU ARE NOW BACKTRACKING SO I TAKE IT YOU WERE NOT REFERRING TO THE CONVENTIONAL USAGE OF THE WORD 'WEALTH'

You're the one reading 'religious' meaning to my words. Go and sin no more The wealth God gives you on this earth is what I called the 'power' and in this case, it means ideas, skills, insight, opportunities etc that will turn to money in your hands to take care of others and your bills/living expenses. Go and sin no more bro

Obadiah777,

Stop taking scriptures and my thread out of context please. God is not again his people having money but the money having them. Go and work to have money using God's given ideas, insights, skills etc is all what my thread is all about. Don't turn it upside down with your out of context scriptures! Besides, I hope you're not agitating I or we should be poor without money either like 'church rats'

scarred: To Goshen: Is wealth a pre-requisite or a confirmation of ones salvation?

Read again sir - The wealth I spoke about is ideas, insight, skills, opportunities etc that puts money in your hands and pocket. When you have and utilize those things, that give you money in your hands to pay your bills and not being broke.

obadiah777: OH YES, BUT THE EMPHASIS ON YOUR POST WAS 'WEALTH' AND 'RICHES' NOT 'WORK'

THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH WILL NOT BE WEALTHY IN THIS WORLD BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE RECIEVED YOUR CONSOLATION ON THIS SIDE

Religion is killing you Read and comprehend and when you comprehend, comprehend very well

obadiah777: MATTHEW 6 VS 19-21

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The question is, don't you work with your hand to get your bills and expenses paid?

@ Obadiah777, So Christians are not suppose to have money in their pocket to take care of their bills and expenses?

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Loving you the more THOU MAN OF GOD!

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 1 Timothy 6:10-11

Snowwy: You claimed to ask me a 'simple' question to answer yes or no to, I answered just as you said and gave brief explanation and you hve been chasing me that I did not answer you? Only because it is contrary to your opinion it is fraudulent?
Wonders, so you have been lying that I did not answer all this while?

Did you see where I said I will ask you a question? Ofcourse not, you will not.

You are dodging answering my question right? You blatantly lied against God's word which I showed you and you are skirting the whole subject?

Since you cannot answer that question I asked, I know in your heart tht you are seeing your folly. So the only lies against tithe ar those you are peddling even in the light of scripture.
I have no further comment on this matter.

And who said I'm afraid to answer your question? First I want to show everyone your lies in twisting the word of God. Now, I know you're gonna RUN AWAY soon but before you run away, you need to clear yourself with the below:.

Verse 18 of Hebrews 7 says COMMANDMENT (cancelled), NOT PEOPLE (cancelled) BUT you're here lying that it is THOSE or WHO take tithe that is CHANGED. Even verse 12 was what CHANGED the priesthood - So you can see verse 12 CHANGED the PEOPLE while verse 18 CANCELLED the COMMANDMENT given to the PEOPLE. Kindly tell us how COMMANDMENT to TAKE TITHE = PEOPLE who TAKE TITHE? That's what you need to do.

Snowwy: Go back to the thread where you asked me the question, PATIENTLY scan the posts after you asked me the question, read my answer then come back here to confirm that you raised a false allegation against me then answer my question above.
That is fair enough.
Thank you.

I have quoted your response from the other thread. That's the lies you gave as answers. COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHE is DIFFERENT from THOSE WHO RECEIVE TITHE. That's how you lied twisting scriptures. Can you explain how COMMANDMENT = PEOPLE WHO TAKE

So when I asked this question below on the other thread,

Goshen360: ^

The question is, Hebrews 7:5 says the levites have commandment to TAKE TITHES. Verse 18 says, the commandment is cancelled.....Question, Will the cancellation also include 'to take tithe' or will the cancellation in verse 18 also include but not limited to the commandment to take tithe YES or NO?

Your fraudulent answers was this below,

Snowwy: No, the cancellation does not include tithe as the tithe still remains, [size=20pt]it is WHO to take the tithe that changed.[/size]

Since your 'simple' question is now answered, I hope this has been laid to rest. If you have further questions, you will need to attend to mine first.
However, for more understanding, go back to read the thread where me and you engaged on this almost exclusively, to which you eventually left.

Can you see how you're lying and manipulating scriptures?

The Bible says COMMANDMENT = TO TAKE TITHE. You said NO, that COMMANDMENT = WHO take tithe and that's And CHANGE and CANCELLATION means the same thing to YOU?