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Bidam: God must really have a wonderful sense of humor...based on the scripture u quoted..it goes to show the love God has for isreal. so it is not all about legalism altogether..to my understanding the [size=20pt]children of isreal[/size] practised 3 types of tithing..and u just picked only one for an argument.A careful screening of your statements under the lens of the word of God proves that you know the truth with the phrase, "to my understanding" BUT you don't want to stand by or say the truth. The highlight also proves that you believe that IT WAS THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL that practiced 3 types of tithing. WHERE ARE THESE THREE TYPES OF TITHING COMMANDED TO THE CHURCH OR THE GENTILES The Bible in general at different dispensation was either written to the Jews, Gentiles or the Church of God - Where is tithe commandments for THE CHURCH Or the Church and the Children of Israel the same people?Bidam: God concept of His kingdom is outlined in Ex 19:6.. And God still want all His laws remembered( mal 4:4)..am surprised you didn't quote deut 16:17, deut 18: 1.Exodus 19:6 still refers to Israel NOT the Church with a New Covenant having the phrase, "thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel". Malachi 4:4 is same having the phrase, "law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him at Horeb for all Israel" the same thing - You people need to stop confusing what was written and addressed to the Jews and be applying it to the New Covenant Church, you're bring confusion into the Church and the body of Christ. Hebrews 10:1 says the law was ONLY a SHADOW of GOOD THINGS but NOT the VERY GOOD things by itself. Colossians 2:17 says, the REALITY is found in Christ. Romans 10:4 says Christ is the END of the LAW. Hebrews 7:19 says the LAW made NOTHING perfect etc etc. The scripture is very clear the Christians OR THE CHURCH OF GOD ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO FOLLOW ANY JEWISH REGULATIONS. Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there--false ones, really--who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations. - Galatians 2:4 We accept sacrificing goats and bull is gone but we don't accept tithing is gone What kind of interpretation is that? I tell you what is it - Selective Interpretation of scriptures.Bidam: to my understanding the children of isreal practised 3 types of tithing..and u just picked only one for an argument.... am surprised you didn't quote deut 16:17, deut 18: 1..If you like let it be 500 types of tithing whether quoting Deuteronomy 16:17 or not. When the Bible says Christ fulfilled the law and ended it, what business are you still trying to tell the Church of Christ to keep the law? We, Christians were NEVER under the law in the first place. We have NO business whatsoever OBEYING and KEEPING the law of Moses. Take a look, (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, New Living Translation (©2007) Even Gentiles, who do not have God's [size=20pt]written law[/size], show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. - Romans 2:14 Bidam: anyway sha..ave u heard the phrase "obedience is better than sacrifice"?..or why do you think Abraham obeyed God when he offered His son isaac..Again, Christians have not business OBEYING the law. What we're told is OBEDIENCE TO THE GOSPEL (2 Corinthians 9:13). If you want to follow Abraham obedience as an example, why do you go and offer your son also, if you have one. You just said, they were shadows and the fulfillment was found in Christ; then what is our business trying to fulfill ANOTHER SHADOWS if Christ had already fulfilled those shadows? Bidam: The OT was a forshadow of the NT..Just as Christ offered himself..we ought to lay our lives for the brethren. The whole point about God's kingdom is Love..cos God is LOVE.If the NT already fulfilled the Old. What then are you still looking for? What more do you want? That we should lay down our lives for the brethren doesn't mean we should kill ourselves for those Christ already died for. Abi you wan kill yourself ni. If you do, lemme tell you, your sacrifice will not make any difference, you go just die for nothing because Christ already offered the SINLESS and ETERNAL sacrifices for mankind. What can make earthly sacrifices for our brethren not killing ourselves for them. Say, if I have $100 I intend using for an important issue and I sacrifice that money for someone's MOST pressing need or life, that's LOVE and that's sacrifice. Bidam: now if u can't start by giving a measly 10% of ur Life just becos u re too busy you ave not yet begun your journey into His Kingdom..identity is the basis of behavior: a clear understanding of who we are in Christ guides our conduct in the SpiritPeople who don't take care to read your post very well will NOT notice the deceit in your post. You just said up there that 3 types of tithing was commanded to the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. Here you're saying someone should give 10% of HIS LIFE. Do you even know what you're saying or you just wanna talk. If you're serious about what you're saying then simply show us the portion of tithe for the Church where you and I belongs as instructions for us to tithe. The kingdom of God doesn't begin with 10% of our lives - it begins by giving our lives to God and then whatever every man can afford to support the advancement of God's kingdom on earth and in keeping up with our needs or living expenses. That's the NT instructions to the church. It has to come from the heart what we give NOT a MUST and legalistic tithing that wasn't even written to the church in the first place. Don't lemme catch you talking rubbish again o ![]() |
^ I wish I can give you 1 Trillion Likes. I said this not because I teach the same truth you've said in your opening post but because yours is an insightful truth. You see, the Church of God is confused today because we don't even know our left from our right. Many of the problems were caused by preachers who themselves are not fit to hold the pulpit - I do not say this to judge any man. It is NOT that the audience 'could' either be; the truth is the audience in general (Genesis to Revelation) ARE . The Jews (Isrealites) . The Gentiles (anyone that is not Jew) . The Church (the followers of the gospel of Christ) - This includes the Jews and the Gentiles as the Church of God. The Bible is very clear BUT many preachers confuse people and mix what was written to the Jews at a particular period and dispensation and apply it to the Gentile Christians or the Church of God in the New Testament. This is the real problem we have in the body of Christ. When some of us take the pain to study and see this errors and try to correct it, the same church folk will accuse us that we're trying to prove 'too know'. I have many things to share as per this thread but lemme take it one step at a time. Thank you OP for this wonderful thread. I thank God that God's people are beginning to realize the old lies being taught to us for long. |
Image123: Haaaaaaaaaaaa hope the followers of men are taking notes.E be like say you just like to dey pinch my eyes abi I go start dey dis-follow or UNinstall you o Whatz up son (of God)? I can't wait to meet you when I come 9ja o.....but no tithe for you ![]() |
^In other words, God loves the SINNER(S) but hates the SIN. Hence, Christians should follow same - love the sinners but hate the sin. ![]() |
christemmbassey: pls sir, what is ur problem with offering? You want to hear the truth? Ok, let me tell you, christians are not supposed to give 'offering'. There is no place in the NT where christians are told to give 'offering' to God if you know what is offering. How come when i posted my views on offerings in this thread you did not react? Love you.Ola is blinded to MONEY and hence he sees OFFERINGS from scriptures as MONEY. Offerings as practiced in the scriptures is NEVER to bring money. That's exactly what I'm trying to tell him but ....... smh. OmG! |
OLAADEGBU: It doesn't matter whether I show you one or more Scriptures it is clear that you don't respect any of them. You accuse me of using circular dictionary and you then counter that by using circular dictionaries/lexicons. If that is not double standard I don't know what that is.You see yourself? I used Greek and Hebrew Dictionary of Biblical words and I gave the link to the meaning. It can be verified OPENLY and I don't know where and how I used a circular dictionary here. OLAADEGBU: If offerings are not contributions for the saints then what is it? You don't have to appeal to the emotions of folks to make your point.Offerings in the NT was NEVER money given when we gather to worship God as instructed in 1 Corinthians. It means something else that was commanded in the law of Moses. What we donate or give when we come together to worship is simply called 'COLLECTIONS FOR THE SAINTS" and that is MONEY, very clear from scriptures. It's just like telling people 'church' means 'building'. That's the same thing you're doing here. OLAADEGBU: Here you go again, if you cannot support your point with evidence you then must attack the person by use of ridicule and ad hominems. What Greek dictionary are you talking about? What does it say thesaurizo means?Okay, again, since you really want me to expose you. I will give two verifiable Greek and Hebrews Dictionary and I'll define the word 'in store' as used in 1 Corithians 16:1-3. Here's it: First, I open the Greek dictionary to the verse above here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=16&v=1&t=KJV#conc/2 Here is the second link of the same verse: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-corinthians/passage.aspx?q=1-corinthians+16:1-3 Now, I open the Greek definition for each, 1. The Greek word is Thesaurizo as you said BUT you're manipulating folk here with ANOTHER meaning saying it means SAME THING as STOREHOUSE. Here is the meaning of 'in store', IT IS A VERB - http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/thesaurizo.html and as you can see, it means, Definition to gather and lay up, to heap up, store up to accumulate riches to keep in store, store up, reserve metaph. so to live from day to day as to increase either the bitterness or the happiness of one's consequent lot 2. The second Greek dictionary says the same thing for a witness, SAME GREEK WORD - thēsaurizō and it is also A VERB, here is the meaning from here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2343&t=KJV and it means, 1) to gather and lay up, to heap up, store up a) to accumulate riches b) to keep in store, store up, reserve 2) metaph. so to live from day to day as to increase either the bitterness or the happiness of one's consequent lot ON THE OTHER HAND, STOREHOUSE MEANS, Malachi 3:9-10 opened from here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/malachi/passage.aspx?q=malachi+3:9-10 and the Hebrews Dictionary for the word 'storehouse' is opened here: (http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/owtsar.html) Hebrews word, 'owtsar and IT IS A NOUN MASCULINE, NOT A VERB LIKE 'IN STORE'. It means this, Definition treasure, storehouse treasure (gold, silver, etc) store, supplies of food or drink treasure-house, treasury treasure-house storehouse, magazine treasury magazine of weapons (fig. of God's armoury) storehouses (of God for rain, snow, hail, wind, sea) The second dictionary says the same thing. Opening Malachi here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mal&c=3&v=9&t=KJV#conc/10 and it means, 1) treasure, storehouse a) treasure (gold, silver, etc) b) store, supplies of food or drink c) treasure-house, treasury 1) treasure-house 2) storehouse, magazine 3) treasury 4) magazine of weapons (fig. of God's armoury) 5) storehouses (of God for rain, snow, hail, wind, sea) Oya, show everybody how 'IN STORE' = 'STOREHOUSE' We're waiting! |
OLAADEGBU: I don't need to show you more than one reference seeing that you are not a respecter of the infallible word of God. But for the benefit of those who are ardent seekers of the truth I will show how Paul's offering is equal to money or collections for the saints that was set aside.You cannot show us scriptures simply because you don't have any to show that OFFERINGS = COLLECTIONS FOR/OF THE SAINTS or MONEY GATHERED WHEN WE COME TOGETHER FOR WORSHIP. Many of you use circular dictionary to define God's word and hereby confuse people. When God says tithe, He means tithe. OLAADEGBU: This is the text we are understudying, lets see what the alms and offerings meant when we search scriptures with scriptures.You can see how you're exposing yourself right? CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE POOR SAINTS. Very clear in the text. Now, let's see what Paul by HIMSELF offered in Acts that you quoted, the text says, Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings" (Acts 24:17). He (Paul) could have as well said, "alms and offerings TO MY NATIONS". Contributions FOR THE SAINTS is NOT alms and offerings TO MY NATION. I'm not surprised you can twist scriptures just to justify your greed. Out of all NT scriptures, you can't show where offerings SIMPLY refers to MONEY given in worship places? OLAADEGBU: "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me"(1 Corinthians 16:1-3).You're a LIAR! - The word 'in store' is NOT the same as 'storehouse'. How can you tell this kind of LIES and still claim to be a man of God? I have showed you from the Greek Dictionary the meaning of 'storehouse' and 'in store' and I will quote it for you again, I know your tithe mind will never allow you see when I gave you the definition but here's it again, Goshen360: The Hebrews word and meaning for 'storehouse' is NOT the same as the Greek meaning of the Greek word for 'store' as used in 1 Corinthians 16:2. |
We have been collecting money from ourselves as a church to build monuments and personal empire. It's time to start collecting money for the saints (people) of God. Ask yourself, when was the last time collections was gathered for people in need when you go on Sunday Sunday Worship? Collections in the early church was never done for building monuments but for building people. |
OLAADEGBU: You have now revealed your true colour and why we should not take you seriously again. These are the challenges you posed and when I gave you the answer you move the goalpost. I brought up your past posts as to this regard for the record. See how I'm laughing at you in Hebrews and Greek together . You are the very one that your love for money is exposed here. TITHE = CROPS AND ANIMALS in scriptures. The New Testament clearly says we should set aside certain portion of our 'MONEY'. It was VERY CLEAR but NEVER called it offerings. You and your tithe teachers are the very one seeing money in everything we do in the worship places. Did you run out of scriptures in the New Testament to show where OFFERING = COLLECTIONS OF/FOR THE SAINTS OR MONEY WE SET ASIDE Is that too hard for you to do? Just show us, for example where the New Testament says, "on the first day of the week, every one of you must set aside OFFERINGS for the saints....". That's the kind of scripture I want you to show us. You can't seems to understand OFFERINGS means different thing in scriptures, do you ![]() I'm still waiting oooooooo ![]() |
^ Thanks brother Joagbaje for the addition. |
OLAADEGBU: Don't worry about that, I'll only quote one verse from the Scripture and see whether you are a man of integrity. I knew it. THIS 'OFFERINGS' = COLLECTIONS FOR THE SAINTS ![]() OFFERINGS (done by Paul, one man) = MONEY (given or done by many) ![]() TO MY NATION = TO CHURCH ![]() Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Ola, you're so deceived in this 'offerings' that you can manipulate scriptures to fit your interpretation. Please try again. Again, show me where when any Apostolic writer writes TO THE CHURCH and calls the collection for the saints or collections (money) that is given during worship is CALLED OFFERINGS OR REFERRED TO AS OFFERINGS. People are reading your manipulations o |
^ Keep on keeping the law. Christ already fulfilled the law THAT WASN'T EVEN WRITTEN TO ME IN THE FIRST PLACE. How many times will I tell you that, when we don't steal, kill etc; IT IS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE LAW BUT BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN IN OUR HEART, NOT ON STONES AND WRITTEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. Christians are NOT to keep ANY sabbath whatsoever! So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. - Galatians 3:24-25 |
OLAADEGBU: If I show you the text you are asking for will you repent and confess publicly for misleading folks?Show me/us and I will openly apologize. Show me where what we give when we gather in worship places is called 'offering' and see if I will not apologize and make sure it's in the New Testament o that parallels money given in worship place to offerings. But this time, don't go get another article and/or video to answer me o ![]() |
OLAADEGBU: Did you notice the bolded words in the quote above? Who in the Scriptures do you think is famous for saying that?That's your business? I was saying that in respect that I didn't tithe before God blessed me. You guys are the very ones promoting 'tithe before God can bless you' gospel. That's not the God I know and that's not the God I worship - He gives to ALL men liberally without finding fault. He has GIVEN us ALL THINGS that pertains to LIFE and GODLINESS. There's no where in the NT that a Christian MUST pay tithe BEFORE GOD blesses us. Stop threatening people with Malachi curse that was meant for the thiefing priest, not the people. |
Image123: you seem dazed, i don't see this truth you're seeing. Stop allowing the devourer to deceive you cheaply na Gosh. Plus, show some decorum here and stop this delirious talks about parts of the body.Abeg go sidon joor. You mean I can't be doing one thing and still be listening to the message of the video? You think everybody is lazy like you? If I can stay on Nairaland sometimes for more than two hours, what is your business what if I listen to a message for 2 hours; because it doesn't fix your teachings? Besides, you know say I don catch you finish. ![]() |
God bless you brother joagbaje. You see, until WE stop all these copy and paste job, we will never be like the Bereans. |
JIL: Thanks bro Goshen, I will find time to watch it sometime today and prob summarise it for Ola.That expository teaching is too powerful o. By the time you summarize it, Ola and these tithe teachers will be on the RUN.... ![]() |
A 2-HOUR VIDEO EXPOSITION ON TITHING: THE LIES OF TITHING EXPOSED AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw?hl=en |
A 2 HOURS EXPOSITION ON TITHING - THE LIES OF TITHING EXPOSED AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw?hl=en |
@ Everyone, kindly watch the 2 hour video; as it is time worth. It exposed the tithing lies including the Abraham false tithing and tithing according to the law. |
A 2-HOUR EXPOSITION VIDEO ON TITHING - TITHING LIES EXPOSED BUT THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw?hl=en |
^ YES! Tithe captives are being set free ONE after the other! Thank God for setting you FREE bro. Same thing with me, I paid tithe so tay, I no see any windows of heaven opened. When I start to study the word for myself, alas, I'm free! |
JIL: Mr tithe advocate no 1, your image in Nairaland is already battered and needs to be laundered. I suggest you employ potentpraise. Thank God I'm not the only one seeing the truth Image123, you see as your yansh don dey outside? - Tithe don open ya yansh ![]() |
obadiah777: I FIND SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT STUMBLING BLOCK. THEY INTERCHANGE COVENANT WITH TESTAMENT. AS SUCH THEY THINK THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONVENANTS. TESTAMENT ONLY MEANS WRITTEN DOCUMENT. COVENANT HOWEVER MEANS AGREEMENT. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS ARE ONE CONTINUOUS WRITTEN DOCUMENT. THEY ARE NOT COVENANTS. SO MANY PEOPLE GET CONFUSED AND THEN START TRYING TO HINGE THE TWO COVENANT ARGUMENT ONTO HOW THE OLD TESTAMENT IS SEPARATE FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT. THEY ARE A CONTINUOUS DOCUMENT. I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK.Since you just want to argue another thing again as covenant and agreement. Here is line by line, precept upon precept: From here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/hebrews/12-24.html I opened a verse to define COVENANT in KJV. And here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/diatheke.html in the STRONG'S CONCORDANCE AND DICTIONARY for Biblical Word Study, we have the DEFINITION OR MEANING TO THE WORD COVENANT as below, Definition of COVENANT a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will, a compact, a covenant, a testament, God's covenant with Noah, etc. SAME MANNER, THE WORD TESTAMENT. From here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/2-corinthians/3-6.html I opened a verse having the word TESTAMENT therein. And from here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/diatheke.html we have the definition and word meaning from the STRONG'S concordance, Definition OF TESTAMENT: a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will a compact, a covenant, a testament God's covenant with Noah, etc. That's it as you have it! |
potentpraise: I will hope as your logo says -SPRIRT FILLED- that your stomach will not be filled with ogogoro.. Cos no one eat the tithes and survive o.. Good thing you have been lectured, so when devourer comes knocking you can quickly beg God and start paying. He is faithful and just to forgive you and to cleanse you from all your unrighteousness.It's the same thing you're doing in all and you've mastered the tricks of the trade - threatening people with devourer. Christ has already given me victory from the devourer mind you. Take your CASINO and KALO-KALO GOSPEL to the next neighbour. Good night! |
^ Abeg comot for road joor. I have my own car, not rented and not borrowed. Say whatever you like. I was only laughing because you cracked me laughing with your words but doesn't mean you're right. I have eaten my tithe according to Deuteronomy 14. End of story! What are you gonna do about that? |
potentpraise: Common you think i don't know how it goes.. You can either go to dealership snaps pictures of best cars or go to your friend that you think has a befitting car to borrow, you might even decide to go for car rentals so you can take the picture with so many cloths changed and also possible that you go to parking lots at Walmart to go take some pictures with car or on sunday take pictures with your pastors car.. We all know what is possible of you Mr Goshen360 my dearest brother... You don kolo finish o Chei. So na me you dey give upper cut like this? No worry sha, you still be my brother....even though you like dey chop people tithe. Yeye boi ![]() |
^ I will send you the email o. I no forget you bro. |
Image123: are you harassing me? perhaps your software is pirated or devourer is deceiving you to see things that be not as though they inversely were. have you paid your tithe?See as you dey ask for tithe tithe tithe......Okay, I don EAT my tithe as SPECIFIED according to Deuteronomy 14. What are you gonna do about that I even drank Ogogoro with/from my tithe......according to same scriptures. What are you gonna do about that ![]() |
frosbel: ^^I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message! @alexleo, Please can you show us ONE single scriptures where TITHE is mentioned to Christians or the Church in the New Testament please. |
Image123: coommonn, don't tithe to me but to God puleaase. I've already explained Hebrew 7 to you, you're free to go back and revise and get understanding. You still have that apology to make, swallow that pride and excrete it to the utter shame of the devourer.When I come Nigeria, I will show you car wey I buy.....WITHOUT TITHING and also show you my house and investment. You think say na until we pay tithe before God bless you. Na una dey promote conditions for blessing BY GOD. The God I serve give TO ALL MEN LIBERALLY WITHOUT FINDING FAULT. Our God is NOT a kalo-kalo God oooooo ![]() |
Image123: It's shameful when you continue to put doubts into minds as to your ability to read and comprehend.Abeg comot for road joor. I told you there're big worship places here in the US of A with over 10,000 members - NO TITHE TEACHING IN THEIR CHURCH. What is your problem? You think say na everybody go collect tithe like una and thiefing from God's people Abeggi, go sidon joor ![]() |
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The Bible in general at different dispensation was either written to the Jews, Gentiles or the Church of God - Where is tithe commandments for THE CHURCH 
I go start dey dis-follow or UNinstall you o