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Ishilove: So in other words, pre-marital sex is not a sin in the sight of God?

Goshen360: The reason why we are in these mess in Christianity is because many of us do not think there was bible before the KJV. God has been talking to his people right from Genesis and it wasn't in KJV. You want to tell me God spoken in KJV when he spoke to people in Genesis? KJV is ONLY a name of a TRANSLATION or translated VERSION. God didn't speak in ENGLISH either. Many of us are arguing blindly because religion said it and we accepted it in the first place. It's time to put everything religion taught you into scrutiny and be like the Bereans - Go and search out the truth. I challenge you!

moredendisc: @Ignatio

Ignatio, I didn't want to be embroiled, as such in the "Why Is Sex A Sin?" question

however for sanity & clarity sake, it has to be corrected that sex, by and/or in itself, is not a sin

What is sinful or is a sin, is having, offering, giving, participating or partaking in illicit, unapproved, frowned-upon, inappropriate, unusual etc sex.

Christians that are having se.x, without commitment, loyalty, faithfulness until death do them part are dubious and of questionable character

At any rate, Christians, ideally and better still, ought to be making love, going beyond ordinarily having s.ex

OLAADEGBU: For your information, the article wasn't written by Dr. Henry Morris you need to get your facts right. If you are wrong about the author what are the chances that you might be wrong about the subject?

OLAADEGBU: Tithes and offerings are for the children of Israel and you don't have pay it unless you are saying that you are a child of Abraham, are you?

OLAADEGBU: You don't need to question the Word of God. It is either you obey first before explanation or just disobey it and say that it does not speak to you. Chikena.

frosbel: Sinners are not drawn to Christians today ,because all they see are self-professed Christians committing fraud, snatching wives, perpetuating greed and war, they know enough to see this as a religion totally void of Christ.

Sinners want hope, but how can they see hope when the purveyors of hope are living in darkness , pride and harshness ?

My friend, ONLY when the CHURCH repents from their wickedness, will our light shine very brightly , and all men be drawn to Christ.

Omo Alata: For ALL have sinned. Wally

Snowwy: @Goshen,
In all what does it say? Have mutual intimate relations with your spouse only!

Define fornication whichever way you want based on your head knowledge. Paul wrote, to avoid fornication, MARRY! Not CONSENT to MARRY, not be espoused to marry, not have a fiancee or be BETHROTHED.

Anything outside that is either fornication or adultery which are grave sins.
The Spirit and the word is all we need.

striktlymi: What about the wedding Jesus attended? If I go by your thought process then the wedding would be unnecessary. But it took place which implies something important enough to merit the attention of Jesus.

Now the question I will ask is: Is there anywhere in the new testament where it is said that parental consent is the only thing needed?

Snowwy: Beautiful Goshen,
I warned you to watch before you post. Did his sleeping with her make her his wife even though he seduced her meaning they both consented?
No!
He has to endow her to be his wife.
Now her father has rejected no be so?
What did they commit? Fornication!
He had to pay the penalty for the sin.
Paul says to avoid fornication let every one marry.

striktlymi: Lol!!!

I believe we have made considerable progress.

If we understand each other, I believe we are saying that s*x without appropriate consent is sinful but where we still need to understand each other is who gives this consent.

You believe parental consent is okay for s*x to take place. I agree with this to the extent that parental consent is supposed to be the consent from God.

My point now is that in order to confirm that this consent given by our parents is ratified by God then we need to go to church to bless the union.

This consent and blessing can take place the same day if we want.

What do you think?

striktlymi: Are we now subject to the law of the old testament?

Snowwy: I am waiting for the scripture, I know it already but I will advise you to be sure you think very hard before you quote it as I am waiting for you.
You said the dowry was a penalty, penalty for doing what?
You are threading on dangerous ground o.

striktlymi: I believe Gosen is married o! So Bros Goshen don free na people like me still dey d matter

Snowwy: @Goshen,
Sex is only approved in marriage NOT in CONSENT to marry. And the sex is to be with your wife NOT BETHROTHED!, or FIANCEE or GIRLFRIEND.
How long do I have to keep hammering that with scripture?

You initially said sex between two unmarried people is not SIN, are you saying you were wrong?


Whatever the parents decide is fine, I am just telling you what is obtainable.

Snowwy: @Strklyme,
Leave Goshen. When he wants to marry, let him go to the family of the wife and ask for her hand in marriage, the next thing any typical parent will say is they want to see Goshen's people (may be except oyinbo).
When his parents come to ask, they will ask them to start planning of wedding, any wedding of the parents fancy.
Such parents hardly give 'consent' till the wedding day.

But I think Goshen is trying to save cost, he wants a situation where he goes to talk to the parents and immediately they say yes, oya take her dey go your house.
It may work though, turn the hands of the clock to year 1000BC.

Goshen, I can see you were just looking for talk talk. Make sure it is your wife you have sex with,not bethrothed, fiancee or girlfriend shikena.

striktlymi: Bro Goshen

another angle one needs to take seriously is the legal bit. we live in communities with their rules and regulation. what about court marriage?

striktlymi: My Igbo brethren abeg no offence but Bro Goshen ladies are an Igbo man's investment o.

No dowry, no marriage! You know say umunna must get their own share too