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And you answered my very own question too? You don't answer other's questions but wants others (me) to answer your question? You can now see why I deliberately left your question unanswered. Are you ready to answer my question also?

My dear brother Joagbaje,

Insightful article. My concern 'sometimes' about you is whether you stand by NT teachings that reveals the Old or you mix both Old and New Testament together at the same time. I love you bro but you need to stand wherein Christ has made us.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. - 2 Corinthians 3:6

Nice article bro.

[quote author=Andy-baby]i gave my tithes for 2 months (Nov & Dec) to 2 different people that told me they were in despirate need. I have repented of that. I pay my tithe now to God's storehouse[/quote]What and where is the storehouse sir?

^ One by one my brother - we shall separate the truth from errors that had been long taught to us. And we shall put wealth back in the hands of Christians in the kingdom, right and godly way.

christemmbassey: my beloved brother(pastor?) please answer this very simple question: who is a LEVITE in today's church? Remains blessed.

ANSWER below,

potentpraise: I will be glad to answer you question, however, i need to ask if you are convince by my argument?
If yes then i will tell you that the Levites in the case mentioned in this text is Pastors, ministers and workers in the house of God

This is how people promote lies, heresy and error - Levites = pastors, ministers and workers in the house of God WITHOUT ANY BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS SO OR TO VALIDATE WHAT IS SAID

A biblically sound refutation below....WITH BIBLE VERSES TO VALIDATE THE TRUTH,

christemmbassey: thank you very much my brother, i dont want to get into how tith is used because tithing is a BIG ERROR in christianity, especially for those practicing it out of sincere ignorance and we know ignorance is never an excuse. But for those who know but collect tith because of greed its a sin. Christ said 'i"f you knmw the truth, the truth shall make you free". [b]There is no LEVITE in christianity because christianity is not the continuation of jewdaism, Christ was not 'ordained' or did not recieve his priesthood from the then high priest(s) who were ofcourse of the levitical/Aeronous priesthood, again Christ was not from the family of Levi but from Judah so Christ priesthood was like 'a stand alone' not conected at all with levitical/Aeronous priesthood thats why the book of Hebrews described it as a priesthood 'after the order of' Melchizedeck, in other words, 'just like the priesthood of Melchizedeck'. Now the question will be, what was Melchizedeck's priesthood like? Among others it was like this- 1. No begining , no end. 2. He was not ordain by man. 3. He did not hand over to anybody. 4. He did not offer animal sacrifice for himself or anybody. Etc etc etc etc. There is no levite in christianity, Christ is our high priest and all christians are priests- Peter2:9, Rev:1, pls stop collecting tiths, its robbery. Ur blessed. [/b]

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God bless you man of God! As we continue to ask them questions for the reason why tithe MUST continue for Christians, they will further be exposed because the truth will always expose falsehood! Glory to God.

Snowwy: If you open your eyes well enough, you will see where i answered you on that thread.



You give someone bonus for quoting the same scripture you have spent pages going against? So you accept Jesus approved tithe?
You mean Jesus approved tithe and this was further validated in I Cor. 9:14 and you keep bringing up arguments against it?
This is classic.

Look, Goshen, we can both discuss on the lots of topics in the bible but on this (with your current mindset) we won't agree

You see what I was talking about? Go on and on with you tithing lies. Everywhere tithing is instructed, it was specific and mentioned. You're here quoting 1 Cor. 9:14, Did Apostle Paul ever used the word tithe in that context? Your mind is closed and anything we discuss is already made up in your mind so why bother wasting time with you. However, whenever you people come up with this tithe lies, we will be here to confront you guys.

potentpraise: You should know that i can not be finished... gidigidi ni mo wa bi icon... Stronger than iroko tree

Shey bi you don sign off the other I.D abi, now na to use another one Welldone! You wey I don catch you already

potentpraise: God you know the payment of tithes is necessary and you should go pay your tithes.. You might be owning up-to $30k go to your pastor at Mcarthy or what did you call it again and pay up.. i know people like you are bench warmer and would hardly give offering either

Shatap there Haven't I told you what you call 'offering' in worship places is nowhere to be found in the NT? I gave you basis on which we give money to worship gathering weekly when we gather to worship. How man times will I tell you that?

potentpraise: What do you know that i am doing of Image123 is doing.. Goshen go and pay tithes.. stop covering up under offering... I know you are planing to start your own church soon and you will tell them in the public we don't collect tithes.. But we are in need of money, please pay as you can... You know what that appeal to everyman and many will pity your condition and bring their rose royce, bring the key to their house, buy you jet and buy you mountain load of shares in big company.... Who you and your entourage of offering oloju kokoro, especially with[b] truthisthelight [/b] your godson

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I talk am I talk am say I know wetin that Image123 was doing. I knew it . Na me you dey carry sweep for ground like this No worry

Okay! Mo ti gbo yin o. #Hugs# I told you I don't send gift because it's val - I give because it's a lifestyle.

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You think say I no know wetin you dey do abi

For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

The greatest ingredient is LOVE! Our God had shown us love and how to love one another - That we give and serve one another in love. You can't love another person without first loving God. The very purpose of our existence is to love one another with God's kind of love. The world lust but God loves. As you remember this season of love, it is important to give. When God loves, he demonstrated it by giving. Give to the poor; give to the widows; give to the orphans; give to the needy; give to the homeless; give to the hungry etc - That's the true essence of love and the true religion that God approves.

Above all, accept God's gift of love, his Son Jesus Christ and turn from your old ways - that you may have eternal life.

^ You see, everyone is reading you. I just said it that you'll go get article to answer me. Simply question, no answer. If you like, go sleep, when you return to this thread, you'll still need to answer those questions. Good night!

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You berrer take your tongue back inside before flies gum am

^ Okay, I will need to write the Admin to come bear witness.

^ Please stop dancing around. I'm not dancing around here. My question is straight forward. Just answer in all honesty without lifting another man'a article to answer me. It is you and I that is talking here. Again, the question is,

1. Given that Jesus approved of tithe, is it a matter of the law or NOT ?

2. Who are the people paying tithe in that context? Christians or scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites?

Just answer those two questions then we can start talking about Moral Law or NOT - That will give us focus on the subject.

^ Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Sisterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Olorun n ri yin oooooooo Pelu oruka lowo yin? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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Because I've been tracking you online! You want to argue it?

^ God bless you brother! Go and produce kingdom wealth. There're those who teach God is gonna transfer wealth of the ungodly to the godly. If the ungodly didn't produce wealth by their ideas etc, how are they gonna have wealth for God to transfer to the godly? There's nothing life transfer of wealth of the ungodly to the godly in the NT. Scripture says,

New International Version (©1984)
He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. - Ephesians 4:28

New International Version (©1984)
Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you. - 1 Thessalonians 4:11

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You know that's a lie right?

^ The next thing is you'll run to get another article when questioned to explain certain things.

OLAADEGBU: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [size=20pt]matters of the law[/size], judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel - Matthew 23:23-24

They say that you should give offerings which is much more than tithes but they cry wolf when tithes is mentioned. Jesus approved of tithes in the verse above and His knowledge of the counsel and mind of God in all matters cannot be questioned except you are a present day scribe and Pharisee who would balk at tithes but swallow offerings and call it gatherings or donations as long as it is not called tithes.

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Okay. Given that it is true Jesus approved tithe. I give you that as a bonus for purpose of reasoning the scriptures. Under what did Jesus approved tithe? Isn't it clear from the very scriptures you quoted that it is a matter of the law NO?

Who are the people paying tithe in that context? Christians or scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites?

How many I.Ds do you have?

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But you shall remember the LORD your God: for it is he that gives you power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he swore unto your fathers, as it is this day. - Deuteronomy 8:18

Have you ever wondered why many Christians serve God and are still poor or broke? Hmmmmmmmm. If you're a Christian and yet still poor or broke, this is a word from heaven for you. It is very clear from NT scriptures that God doesn't want us poor. One of the things Christ sacrificed was for us to be made rich (2 Corinthians 8:9). One of the groups Christ was anointed to preach to are the poor (Luke 4:18).

There're two kinds of power as described in scriptures.

1. Power as it is in Deuteronomy 8:18
2. Power as it is in Acts 1:8.

Many church folk thinks when they receive power as in Acts 1:8, they speak in tongues and witness unto the Lord etc they automatically will have wealth. NO! You can receive power as in Acts 1:8, speak in tongues, witness unto the Lord and still be poor or broke. It doesn't mean you ain't gonna pay your bills. Permit me to say, spirituality is not to cover up for reality. Christianity is not an allusion to reality. Christianity is more than speaking in tongues, shouting, jumping etc without getting results. You can go to worship places on Sunday, shout, praise, sing, speak in tongues and witness etc, the reality is that you still got bills and expenses to take care of.

Now, what power is God talking about in Deuteronomy that doesn't equal the power in Acts. The power in Deuteronomy is from the Hebrew word Koach that conveys a meaning to be wisdom, understanding, skill, bodily strength, knowledge, insight, ideas and opportunities.

The power in Acts 1:8 is the Greek word dynamis that conveys its meaning as inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth. This type of power doesn't convey the container or carrier but the power that resides within.

There is a difference between both power. God wasn't talking about power as it is in Acts 1:8 in Deuteronomy because Jesus had not come and be glorified yet for the Holy Spirit to give the power as it is in Acts 1:8, dynamis. So, when God speaks of power to get wealth to you - He speaks of skills, ideas, knowledge, insight, opportunities that will birth you wealth. It has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. Do you serve God and still live poor and can't pay your bills and expenses?

Look around you and stop waiting on God but see God in every opportunities, in ideas, insight, skills etc. God doesn't send the Holy Spirit to rain down money on you - He gives you insights, ideas, knowledge, opportunities etc that will eventually give you money or wealth. Somebody had an idea years back and that idea was to connect people globally via facebook. Today, we speak of him as a wealthy person. Somebody saw the needs in the society, and turned it into an opportunity, today we speak of them as wealthy people. Somebody came up with an insight to put sandwiches together, today we speak of Subway as a wealthy person. It's not enough to have faith, your faith must follow up with a corresponding action. There's opportunity all around you as I speak to you. Don't neglect that idea you had in the past. Don't neglect that opportunity, that insight, that skills. Think and let God's wealth be transfered to you!

New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. - Romans 12:2

God bless you!

^ Can I ask you a question sir? I see you're joking! Never mind please.

christemmbassey: tith is bondage and death, the moment you pay tith you have rejected Jesus and all what he did, remember lt was the tith collectors that actually kill Jesus. The priests/high priests.

You're indeed a man of God! You just reminded us.

^ Na so our brother dey rake since yesterday o.

@ Frosbel, Emmabassey, PastorKun etc,

Please, Let's handle issues like this without insult. I realized there're many that're ready to learn and be delivered from this tithe captives. If we explain to them in a humble way, they will understand. The other thread was bastardized. Let's be civic in this discussion. No insult, no name calling whatsoever please. Thank you!

rezzy: Then, can you kindly explain that verse?

But that scripture makes us to understand that when we give our tithe, he will open the windows of heaven and bless us.

Is tithing a curse? Cos with the scriptures u quoted, u are making me to understand that tithing is a curse.

What I'm saying is, God doesn't bless and at the same time curse a man. Never is nowhere in life or scripture where a man carries blessing + curse AT THE SAME TIME. A man is either cursed or blessed. In the NT, God had already blessed us, NOT by paying tithe but because of what Christ did. There's NOWHERE in the NT Church where tithe was instructed to the church, we are ONLY instructed to share our money with one another and GIVE.

Preachers who still demand tithes from NT Christians are actually the ones defrauding God's people in the name of God. In truth, tithe ended in Hebrews 7 as I often show people. We're under the New Covenant and Grace. The tithing in Malachi was what was carried on from the law of Moses - It was addressing the priest of the temple then, NOT the people. The curse of Malachi is for the priests that serve in the temple then.

This is tithe week - discussing so much tithe this week.

Chei, see truthislight don finish this our brother potentpraise.

^ Seems you repented! Giving and receiving is what you should be teaching Christians in the first place rather than former. I hope you wash your heart and hand clean from this tithe thing - It has no place in the New Covenant.

You're welcome. Grace is the finished work of Christ that we live our lives FROM and IN.