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frosbel: SATAN seems to be having a field day , supplying you with false visions and dreams.

You are doing his work for him, how sad.

striktlymi: I don't think that definition for Adultery is quite adequate. I am of the opinion that adultery is illicit sex by one who is married with someone other than the spouse. I am of the opinion that adultery is seen basically from the perspective of one who is married. I am of the opinion that it is impractical for one who is not married to commit adultery.

The definition: could also mean that if one who is not married have sex.ual relations with a married person, that individual commits adultery. I don't think this is the case.

I am of the opinion that a single person can only be involved in fornication. If for instance a single guy have sex.ual relation with a married lady, I believe it would be appropriate to say that the woman commits adultery while the guy is involved in fornication.


Thank you!

I hear you but the same definition I was given in the tradition 'religious' setting. Pull up definitions for adultery and fornication other than what I gave from Strong's concordance if you have any.

Tgirl4real: @ Debosky,

Thanks for d link. Trini_girl did a good job standing for herself. Lol. I'm still reading though. The first line alone is simply hilarious.

BTW, letz not get carried away and put things in proper context just like she did.


@ Goshen,

U are right yet again. Lol

Ermm...could u pls apply same to the 'women in leadership' and 'tongues' thingy?

Don't mind me. I'm just being cheeky.

Okay. I will give attention to women in leadership again. As for tongues, I have done that - It means language. You need to read that tongue thing from New Living Translation and read it slowly. You no sha like this tongue thing Anyway, I'm still waiting for you to receive the gift of 'praying' tongues, not 'sign' tongues o. My stance on tongue is, it is scripturally wrong speaking in tongues in worship places while you can't interpret or no one to interpret BUT praying tongue is private when you pray to God.

striktlymi: Good afternoon Goshen,

Let's put this in proper perspective!

Why not start with the definitions you have at hand?

I will suggest that we do not rush into any conclusion just yet as your post suggests but go through this prayerfully and with sincerity. This is a topic, if wrongly addressed, can lead a brother or sister astray.

Thank you!

Okay, everywhere you find the word fornication (both Old and New Testament) as I started last night after talking with okeyxyz (via email) and Mr. Anony (via Skype), I didn't see it defined as s.ex between unmarried people. I understand some folk might find it very hard to digest as I also found it hard to digest but that's just what it is except we're not gonna find meanings to biblical words anymore. Also, people have being sinning without license as you also know. So, it's not what you or we say that gives people license to sin.

This is the consistent definition I have from all my materials:

It's translated the Greek word - porneia, Strong's # G4202. From Root Word (Etymology) πορνεύω (G4203) and it means:

1) illicit s.exual intercourse

a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

b) s.exual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

c) s.exual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

2) metaph. the worship of idols

a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

That's the definition I have PLUS 7 bible dictionaries - all saying same thing.

@ Tgirl4real,

Yeah sweerie, It was very hard for me to take this definition as I flipped through my search this morning. However, I'm somebody that examine whatever is said like the Bereans. The FIRST study aid I often use is Strong's concordance and plus I have like 7 Bible dictionaries. I consulted all the 7 also and they were all consistent.

The truth is, people have been sinning without license and we are not the ones that will give people license to sin by our teachings. We only say it the way the word of God says it and allow God's people to live their Christian lives/faith. Apostle Paul said, "we're not responsible for how you live out your faith".

Adultery is s.ex out of marriage - illicit s.ex with another's wife or husband.

Well, for me; I'm raw! If I know something, I say it the way it is and people can subject me to scrutiny or examine what I say if they be true. Every Christian have responsibility to be after the example of the Bereans. Too many traditional and religious heresies we have allowed to settle in our Christian walks and such hinders our relationship with God.

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Thank you bro. God bless you also.

If God can kill a man to teach us a lesson in this end time. We should look beyond the letters unto the spirit of the word. Many people still mastur.bate literally today and yet they don't die physically. I do not say that to support masturba.tion but the revelation therefore is that, God doesn't want His church to be masturba.ted and caroused by the 'Onan gift' (the ministry gifts) but rather to 'impart and make deposit of the seed', Christ into the church so that they can bring forth Christ - until Christ be FORMED in you!. Whatever you carry inside you is what you produce after - Every seed produce after its kind.

@ OP, I asked you a question; you refused to answer. Can't we ask you question since you have revelation from God? Please, can we ask questions please?

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I don tell you say make you divorce leave that Image123 KJV ONLY come marry me other translations, at least for comparing truth with truth. That's how to be a good teacher of God's word. I cross checked it when moredendisc quoted it and found out many translation had it that way. Anyway, nothing do you!

Hello everyone,

This is sooooooo hard for me to say but I have to say it anyway with a pure and open heart. In all my Christian life, I've being made to believe that fornication is s.ex between unmarried Christians while Adultery is s.ex between two married people outside their marriage. After talking with our brother okeyxyz via email. Brother okeyxyz said something to me that are hard to believe like the teachings of Apostle Paul. He then made reference that his definition of fornication is NOT his own inventions but as DEFINED IN STRONG'S CONCORDANCE. Since I have Strong's concordance, I wanted to proof our brother wrongs and thinking I will get hold of him, alas, he was right in his definition. I also consulted 7 other bible dictionaries I have in my library, NONE of them defined fornication as s.ex between two unmarried people.

Well, I challenge you to do the same research before you quote me. I hereby challenge everyone to get to the meaning of the word 'fornication' as it appeared EVERY WHERE in scripture and let's have your definition. There's no where (from my research) scriptures say fornication to be s.ex between two unmarried people, it defined fornication as 'illicit or unlawful s.ex related to har.lot, prostitution and s.ex between one married and the other unmarried. It also have figurative meaning of idolatry'. I love to listen to people before I challenge them, then examine what is said if there's any truth therein. That's what I've done in this case with okeyxyz.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]yes I do[/quote]Okay, got your email bro.

Bro Anony, you got Skye?

Ok brother.

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okeyxyz: okay

Are you online now? I want to send me email here and when you get it, I modify my post to take off my email. You there?

Image123: a mouth to mouth?

Your mind dirty too much. You need hyssop from dafidi to wash your mind. So na all kiss be mouth to mouth abi? What happened to holy kiss? No worry, the day I come 9ja and visit you, I go kiss your wife in front of you and wait for wetin you wan do... Again, unto him that is pure, all things are pure.

okeyxyz,

We need to talk please.

anukulapo: @GOSHEN
Do you agree with moredendisc's view/modification of 1 John 3:9?

It sure makes sense to me but are we allowed to do such personally especially as it is not from any known and generally acceptable bible translation?

That's not moredendisc's modification o. Read other bible translations - that's where he got it from. I agree with the translation especially when the same context of 1 John says "IF ANY MAN SIN...", is an indication that a Christian can sin but Christians dont go on sinning thinking because we have an advocate with the Father, that's abuse of the Grace of God.

New International Version
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. - Galatians 3:16

The reason God killed Onan, who was a type and shadow of the ministry gifts was because he failed to deposit the seed into the woman to impart her but was only stimulating her and we have seen that the woman is the type and shadow of the church, God's people. There're so many dead ministry today that are only entertaining you when Christ (the seed) is not deposited into your lives. When you go to church and you're being entertained and made to feel good in your iniquity, you're in a dead ministry and under a dead ministry gift. When you go out of a church service on Sunday and you still go back to your lifestyle of iniquity during the week days, then Christ - the seed wasn't deposited in you. When the society can't see Christ in you after going to church, then you've only being stimulated by the end time Onans.

New International Version
My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

New Living Translation
Oh, my dear children! I feel as if I'm going through labor pains for you again, and they will continue until Christ is fully developed in your lives.

Galatians 4:19

The Apostle Paul pictured the imagery of Onan and when he had deposited Christ in the lives of his children in the faith as he laboured in pains for childbirth like a woman already impregnated had nothing in expectations that for his little children in faith to produce what had been deposited into them, which is Christ. The first Christians were called Christians because people saw the evidence of Christ in them. The practically reflected and birthed Christ that was in them. Christ must be formed in you and Christ must be birthed by you if formed you.

Today, it doesn't matter where you have missed the mark. You can bring forth Christ! You can reflect Christ again! You can be the church that births Christ! God is counting on you! Today, If Christ is deposited in you as you read this article, all you have to do is this,

New International Version
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

King James Bible
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

New Living Translation
Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. - Matthew 3:8

Today, in case you've NOT come to Christ and believed in Christ or in the gospel of Christ. In case, you only attend church and being entertained. In case, you're only a church goer but not a Christian. To be a Christian, Christ must be formed in you and Christ must be birth by you. In case, as you read this article, you still steal, pros.titute, lie, fornicate, commit adultery, kill, abort, engage in corruptions, steal government money, change figures to loot treasury, engage in occult practices, perform rituals for money, assassinate, kidnap, engage in witchcraft, practice homose.xual, lesbianism etc. The hand of God is not too short that He cannot save. Ask God for forgiveness, ask Christ into your live and then Chris is deposited into you, then bring forth Christ, start living a new life that proves repentance from sin and new life in Christ Jesus - THEN YOU NOW BECOME THE CHURCH THAT BIRTHS CHRIST.

God bless you!

@ My brother Frosbel, God bless you. I'm developing a concept the Spirit of God wants me to do to the body of Christ. Please permit me to finish the article. Hopefully, Our Lord will draw men unto Himself.

Onan, whenever he goes in unto Tamar will ONLY stimulate, carouse, mastur.bate, feel and entertain Tamar BUT will NEVER impregnate, impart and deposit the seed into Tamar; hereby leaving the woman (Tamar) unfruitful and unproductive. Onan in this context is a type and picture of the the ministry gifts and Tamar is a type of the church. Onan also reflect the 'spirit of selfishness' and falsehood. Onan, wasn't the original husband of Tamar, Er was. Onan, was given to Tamar or Tamar was given to Onan for impartation, reproduction and fruitfulness.

In the same manner, the ministry gifts (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors/shepherds, and teachers) which in this case reflects 'Onan' were given by Christ to the church or the body of Christ, which in this case reflects 'Tamar', the woman. Christ is the original husband of the church (Ephesians 5:25) but Christ has given the ministry gifts to the church (Ephesians 4:11-12) for spiritual impartation that will enable the church to birth Christ or reflect Christ in the world.

In this end time, Onan is fulfilled in our days. There're so many churches and many spiritual gifts that only stimulate, carouse, mastur.bate, entertain God's people, the church and making them feel good without any impartation and deposit of the seed of Christ in them. This is also corresponding with the 'spirit of selfishness' in Onan - that is, many apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors/shepherds, and teachers who are into ministry for selfish reasons.

How do we explain church people that will attend church service and yet will still go out there to steal, pros.titute, lie, fornicate, commit adultery, kill, abort, engage in corruptions, steal government money, change figures to loot treasury, engage in occult practices, perform rituals for money, assassinate, kidnap, engage in witchcraft, practice homose.xual, lesbianism etc.

The truth is not far - There's not impart of the seed into the womb of God's people by the ministry gifts (Onan). There's no deposit of God's seed into the heart of the people. The people are only being entertained, stimulated, caroused and made to feel good on weekly basis only to come back next Sunday for another entertainment.

(to be continue)

Today, I bring you a timely message to you and to the entire body of Christ. The Spirit of God is expressly speaking to the end time church(es) and we must heed the voice of the Spirit - Stay with me, I'm going to be as brief as much as I can.

Have you ever wondered why there're so many churches in the world and yet little impact is made in the moral lives of church people? This is not to judge. There's a difference between judging and correction. The word of God is for our correction neither do I write to judge any one or church(es) in the body of Christ. However, what the Spirit of God is saying is that, there's a problem somewhere when there're so many churches and yet, it does not reflect in the quality of lives that these church people live outside these churches in our societies.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
But Onan knew that the children [ seed] would not belong to him, so when he was supposed to have se.xual relations with [ he went to] Tamar he did not complete the s.ex act [ spilled his seed on the ground], making it impossible for Tamar to become pregnant and for Er to have descendants [ so that he did not give a descendant/seed to his brother]. The Lord was displeased by this wicked thing Onan had done [ What he did was evil in the eyes/sight of the Lord], so he killed Onan also. - Genesis 38:9-10

Why would God just kill a man simply because he spilled his se.men on the ground? Many people often use these scriptures to point to mastur.bation. Beyond that, God has hidden a revelation for the end-time churches in this account. Onan was to raise children for his dead brother, Er through the wife Tamar according to tradition of old. First, the selfishness of Onan is revealed in this account in that he knew the offspring of such se.xual intercourse between him and Tamar belongs to Er, his late brother.

(to be continue)

Absolutely unscriptural. I don't know where the 'institutionalized' church got that practice from.

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Question for you please - Does God's word contradict YOUR SPECIAL REVELATION or can God's word contradict SPECIAL REVELATIONS

First, you will need to go back to the original context and institution of firstfruit in the Torah. Do you people ever study or understand God's word or you just want to see money in every book of the bible rather than see Christ in every book of the bible? The firstfruits in its original context was pointing to Jesus Christ.

The firstfruits is not and was never money but a foreshadow of Christ's resurrection whereby Christians also are resurrected with Christ. I hope to do some intensive teaching on how Christ fulfilled this firstfruits types and shadows someday. In the meantimes, enjoy these verses that unveils the revelation of Christ being the firstfruit, not people whole month's salary.

New International Version
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. - 1 Corinthians 15:20

King James 2000 Bible
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. - 1 Corinthians 15:23

You people should stop twisting every scriptures to part with people's money every year. When have you become the Old Testament High Priest that does sacrifice year in, year out. Unlike Christ, His sacrifice is ONCE AND FOR ALL! That's why you people cannot please God with yearly repetition of what Christ had already done and fulfilled.

God! What is THIS

@ Bella3,

Na wha for u o. There're scriptures clearly against immorality and premarital s.ex. Now, I said to kiss someone the OP "might" intend to marry is not a sin because if the heart of the OP is 'pure' and nothing further is intended in the heart, how then does such kiss become a sin?

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Is 'immorality' pure?

computaangel: God is against d use of jewelries and ornaments, ezekiel 7:19-21,[size=20pt]1 peter 3:3[/size], isaiah 3:16-24.wateva wi
ll cost u ur eternity pls sacrifice it.

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Goshen360: King James Version (KJV)
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: - 1 Peter 3:1-5

Erroneous believe and teachings that women cannot wear gold, women cannot plait their hair etc. Where do you people get all these interpretation and teachings from? So you are saying women cannot take care of their hair or what? They cannot use jewelry? Why can't you people leave scriptures the very way it is rather than reading religious interpretation into it. If you are telling us the scripture is saying woman should not wear gold and women should not plait their hair, you're also saying or teaching women should NOT put on cloths because same scriptures says, "OR OF PUTTING ON OF APPAREL"

What that scripture is saying is that, women should not EXALT their OUTWARD adornment than their INNER beauty. It's saying, It is not the  external things like fancy braided; elaborate hair, gold jewelry, or fine clothes that should make you beautiful or  be your adornment but rather, your beauty should come from within your inner self;  the hidden/secret person of the heart — the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit that will never be destroyed fade; perish and is very valuable; of great worth to God.

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Why you run comot from the other thread? Because I say I wan ask you question?

Anyway, as regards you demand for clarification, my answer is - to him that is pure, all things are pure. You still want further clarification?

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Get bored ke....because the truth sets free from religious malinterpretation. Don't start again here o because If I ask you just two questions now, na run you go run.

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No, it's not a sin.

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Yeah, I think it's a new translation though. I advice you always use it along side KJV. That's what I do also and it has become one of my favourites translations.