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christemmbassey: @all, pls what this argument seeks to explaim? Are you guys trying to prove that fornication is not 'a sin' ?

Welcome my beloved brother. You're very welcome! lemme make it ETERNALLY CLEAR HERE BEFORE FOLK START READING ME OUT OF CONTEXT, THAT IS IF THEY ARE NOT DOING SO ALREADY - FORNICATION IS A SIN. The argument (reasoning) here is, what then is fornication? That's the bone of contention here sir. You're welcome to answer the question.

Hmmmm, afraid dey catch me for this kind S-S-B o. I don't understand what it's all about bro. @ Joel

Joel, I missed you too bro. Still following you on thread anyway. Welcome bro. Still love to fellowship with you anytime.

^ Joagbaje, not that he believes the above. He also teaches God has a PHYSICAL BODY. . Dakes IS NOT GOOD FOR YOUNG CHRISTIANS - it will mess them up. He was a good bible teacher no doubt but used with extreme caution.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, except for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery. - Matthew 5:32

Okay, to ALL OF YOU guys saying fornication means s.ex between UNMARRIED people. Following the words of Christ in KJV from the above verse, how can a MARRIED WIFE or WOMAN IN THIS VERSE ABOVE STILL COMMIT FORNICATION if your definition of fornication means s.ex between UNMARRIED? Jesus made this statement o, not me o.

Anyone care to answer? I wan go sleeping now, make una make sure una answer this kweshion before son of man wake up o.

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Oga Joel, Na you I go greet happy new year o. Good to see you come here again. Sure you're doing well in the Grace of God. Missed you a lot. Please stay with us a while time time.

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Okay. Stepping out now. I will chat you online via email.

moredendisc: @Goshen360

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@ striktlymi,

Okay my brother. I was also cautioned by brother Snowwy not to call people 'religious'. I'd taken to that. We'll keep this thread peaceful henceforth. As you can see, brother okeyxyz had also apologized. Hence, there will not be any forms of name calling or sort of. I'm interested in this topic because it shocked my knowledge since I've carried the same meaning to 'fornication' all my Christian life only to find out otherwise. When I read and come across the word 'fornication' in the Bible, I don't even bother to examine the meaning because I was taught it means s.ex between unmarried people. I'll advice you do same word study and let's have your view.

striktlymi: I wonder why you decided to use such words? It seems your mind is made up about accepting this okey business.

I believe we are getting emotional now and it is certainly not good for a sound discuss.


Enjoy your thread guys.

Noooooo, I want you in this thread. I said that and I gave reason - you're saying because the two words were used together again like that of the words of Jesus Christ. And I said, don't dance around words simply because they're used side-by-side. That is not too big to offend you my brother. Except you made up your mind to leave anyway, I can't force you though. But I don't want you to leave.

@ striklymi and all,

First, this link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gal&c=5&v=18&t=KJV#18 opens that scriptures in Galatians.

2. This link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gal&c=5&v=18&t=KJV#conc/19 opens the Strong's concordance and dictionary meaning for word study.

3. This link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3430&t=KJV opens meaning to the word 'adultery'

4. This link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4202&t=KJV opens the meaning to the word 'fornication' - nowhere does it is s.ex between unmarried people. It simply says 'illicit se.xual intercourse'. However, an unmarried person can commit 'illicit se.xual' sin which simple can mean unlawful s.exual intercourse.

striktlymi: Now you are playing with words!

@all, let's also meditate on this:

Galatians 5:18-22
King James Version (KJV)
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Still used together.

@Okey, If I am to choose between your explanation and what is written in sacred scriptures, I prefer to go with sacred scriptures.


Thank you!

My brother, I won't like you dance around words just because they are used after one another. They mean different things. Lemme pull the different bible meanings as used in that verse for you and all and I will provide the link how I got the meaning to each words.

Snowwy: @Goshen,
Something that will help you, I will advise you not to label people as religious because they give their own opinion. You are doing exactly what you claim 'religious' people do. I also wonder why you claim people are 'crucifying'.
I am even amazed at the coolness of the thread.
Since you have now gained some new wisdom, you need to explain that in light of th scripture which I can see you are hereby looking for another definition for.

Okay brother. You know I will always apologize for any misuse of words in the course of our discussion. I'm sorry for the 'religious' name calling. Well, I'm NOT sanctioning illicit se.x here - let that be very clear. I'm only saying NOWHERE does the meaning of 'fornication' in ANY CONTEXTUAL usage mean s.ex between unmarried people. All I expected you to do is, take a little time like 2-3 hours. If you have Strong's concordance and look up every occurrence of the word 'fornication' and then come back to tell us what you found out.

Here is Online Bible Strong's concordance and dictionary: http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm

Get all the usage and see if fornication means s.ex between two unmarried people. Again, an unmarried person can commit sexual immorality - that's if it involves illicit or unlawful s.ex perhaps involving prosti.tution and harlot. etc

striktlymi: Can one find the meaning of fornication in concordance?

Yes you can. I did it all through the night. I checked every occurrence of 'fornication' as used in scriptures. Go do the same. I can give you online concordance if you want.

Snowwy: Goshen, re-read my entire post to the OP and see the context fornication was used in the BIBLE verses. No, I will not 'define' it, let the bible do that afterall you have always been someone who claimed to follow the bible and disregard 'religious' teaching.
So let's leave aside 'religious' or 'dictionary' definitions.


I am still wondering why you will say that you want a 'definition of 'fornication' other than the biblical meaning'.

My brother, I just read your post to the OP again. You only quoted scriptures and said fornication is ANY s.ex outside marriage. Okay. In every CONTEXT of 'fornication' in the Bible, it doesn't mean ANY s.ex outside of marriage. See, you have assignment to do - Get a concordance and bible dictionary, get the meaning IN ALL CONTEXT as used in scriptures. It doesn't say it means s.ex outside of marriage.

It simply means the same things in ALL context of biblical usage. If you understand the real meaning, you will leave the bible word as it is. When I said definition to fornication, I do not mean circular dictionary but with biblical study aids such as Strong's concordance and bible dictionaries. When you get the meaning from biblical study aids, then look up the meaning of 'illicit', that's all.

okeyxyz,

You see, like you told me in the email to get all biblical study materials I can to find the meaning to the word 'fornication' which I did. The problem with our people, church people is, many of them will just say "you're wrong, and they're right PERIOD" without even going to examine or find the biblical meaning in its original context. The mind is so sealed that when they hear 'fornication' they take it the other way.

Again, we do not teach ILLICIT S.EX but nowhere does 'fornication' mean s.ex between two unmarried people. Go find out for yourself and understand the truth - fornication means illicit/non-consensual s.ex. Find out yourself! I don tire for all these argument joor.

[quote author=WAM?]Wow ! Smh....[/quote]Okay my sister. Welcome. You and I have talked before right? Okay, aside of the meaning of 'fornication' the 'religious' setting had taught us, kindly get a concordance and find the meaning to the word. Abeg no shake head o. I'm simply asking you to do what I did.

Snowwy: Really? Where did I say that?
Please quote me because I am not sure I remember saying that?

Okay! Sorry I misquoted you. Okay, I'm sorry. What is 'fornication'? Whatever is your definition, kindly tell us how you come to such definitions.

Snowwy: What exactly do you want?

You said 'fornication' means s.ex between unmarried people? How and where did you get that definition? That's all I want sir

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Ishilove: From the Oxford online dictionary!

Okay, same dictionary defined homose.xual marriage as the union of two same-s.ex partners. Do you also agree with that?

@ striktlymi and everyone,

Let's not look at the definition or meaning of 'fornication' from the 'religious' definition. I've lived all my Christian life with that same 'religious' definition of fornication. Like you, striktlymi said and I don't wan't to endorse anything immoral also. The question still unanswered by you all is - what is biblical meaning of 'fornication'.

Okay, the church or religious setting told us fornication is s.ex between unmarried people or Christian BUT when I did a word study, that's nothing like that. Everywhere you find the word 'fornication' in the bible, it doesn't mean s.ex between two unmarried people or Christians. We might be looking at 'fornication' from a religious angle without knowing. All I'm saying is somebody should give us a definition of 'fornication' other than the biblical meaning. When somebody say something, you have to examine it first before you crucify that person.

Ishilove: Sex between two unmarried people.

Okay, where and how do you come to that definition please?

You know what? .....I'm just following the thread from behind and enjoying every bit of it.

Ishilove: Illicit sex, i.e sex outside the confines of holy matrimony, vis fornication and adultery IS a sin.

Ishilove, What is the meaning of fornication?

Snowwy: Really?
Goshen, do you agree with this?

My brother, please go find biblical word meaning to the word 'fornication' as see for yourself. Forget what the religious meaning said it is. That's what I've done. It will change your concept.

To answer your question, YES, I agree to okeyxyz's answer except for the definition of 'fornication' as seen - if there's consented s.ex between an unmarried and a married or unmarried prosti.tute (because prosti.tution is illicit), it is a sin; otherwise, NO, not a sin.

okeyxyz: @Goshen

Agreed. Except for the divorce part. A divorced man\woman is released from the marriage contract and free to go as he\she pleases. The divorce christians still cling to is the divorce defined by the law, which Jesus highlighted it's severity. But then, that's just interpreting according to the letter\law. There is a perfect(spiritual) interpretation, having nothing to do with our concept of marriage.

100% agreed!

@ okeyxyz,

If I'm to interpret that verse from Joagbaje, I will simply parallel it with the word meaning of 'fornication' in this manner:

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

It 'might' rephrase thus, inserting the word meaning in place of 'fornication'

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication illicit intimate intercourse, intimate intercourse with a divorced man or woman let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Taken the word meaning into consideration, it will therefore mean 'some' or 'most' of the Corinthians were sleeping with or having 'illicit' (unlawful) s.ex with another's man or woman. Hence, the phrase "have HIS OWN WIFE/HUSBAND" in context was given. This view is supported by this Translation,

Expanded Bible (EXB)
But because se.xual sin is a danger [of se.xual temptations;  of se.xual sins], each man should have [or have se.xual relations with] his own wife, and each woman should have [or have se.xual relations with] her own husband.

It 'suggests' that some 'might' be having se.xual intercourse with another's wife or husband which in KJV is called fornication - It's just se.xual sin here.

@ Tgirl4real,

Okay, start it up in any of the tongue thread. I will join over there. This one wey you dey #tongue out# so, I perceive you need this gift of praying tongue ASAP.....

@ OP, I have Dake's Study Bible BUT my caution is NEVER depend on his notes - you need to subject him, his notes and teachings to scrutiny please.

striktlymi: Taking them one after the other, we have the following plausible meanings:

1) illicit s*xual intercourse:

The key to the above phrase is the word illicit. This means "forbidden by law, rules, or custom" http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/illicit. The phrase illicit s*xual intercourse can thus mean s*xual relations that are not in line with the 'law', 'rules' or 'custom'. I don't know if I need to show that one who is married is within his rights to have s*x hence this can only be applied to one who is yet to be married.

Before I continue I will like to know your view on the above. But the point really is that contextual meaning is the key to understanding what sacred scriptures teaches about fornication.


Thank you!

You quoted the same very definitions I also quoted from strong's concordance and yet you said it's not correct. When I got that definition, I also did same thing by looking up the definition of the word 'illicit' and YOU'RE RIGHT - I agree 100%.

Now go ahead! Can we then put these definitions in context as well or what?

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