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obadiah777: I DIDNT. JUST DIDNT THINK IT WAS RELEVANT BRUV.

Image123: i was only advising you. it should be obvious to you that I'm not into question and answer sessions on this thread, it's between you guys and anukulapo.

Goshen360: @ obadiah777,

Since you dont understand SIMPLE advice given by moredendisc, let me start to TROUBLESHOOT your KJV ONLY mind with these errors from KJV. I was also a KJV ONLY in the past. Now, dont get me wrong, I still love KJV more than any other translations and it still remain my first priority anytime but I'm no more a KJV ONLY. Some other translations esp my new found EXPANDED BIBLE, by the KJV and NKJV translator Team. The Expanded bible retains the KJV beauty while it incorporate the modern English and the originality of the KJV translation.

Now, Obadiah777, pls quote Luke 6:16 and Acts 1:13 from the KJV and let's how you answer the questions I'll ask therein.

anukulapo: Ok teacher GOSHEN,from your statement was the above extracted. The study aids YOU (GOSHEN) used, covering as it appears in verse 15 is translated
" 1) a covering thrown around, a wrapper. a) a mantle. b) a veil. "

So,tell us sir,what is the implication of this when substituted into the verse?

Goshen360: I was only using the "FOR" and "AS" as covering INTERCHANGEABLY in my "own" words when I replied anukulapo. I never meant it to be changed to "AS", the word in KJV is "FOR" and Ubenedictus also confirmed the concordance translates it "FOR a covering". It's very simple, go to the Greek meaning of "FOR" as used in the context of 1 Cor. 11:15. Here you have it,

"FOR" as used in that context, in English is a preposition. In Greek it is the word "anti" and means,

1) over against, opposite to, before

2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
a) instead of
b) for
c) for that, because
d) wherefore, for this cause.

Goshen360: In this study aids, "covering" in verse 15 is translated as 1) a covering thrown around, a wrapper. a) a mantle. b) a veil.

anukulapo: You have also be dodging the question asked.

Tell us, did you verify the sources (bible dictionaries) I provided --smith’s handi reference bible dictionary and Holman illustrated bible dictionary which I said refers to covering as with veil.

At least,I am not Holman nor Smith.

christemmbassey: @Seyi st jones, my point is about this proclivlity of 'throwing away the baby with the bath water', and i dont like mixe-up, we should stop practicing judaism in christianity, Christ said we should preach the gospel, now tell me, can you tell a prisoner to stop wearing prison clothes while still in prison? No sir, first you have to work for his freedom and actually set him free, then you dont need to advice him, on his own he will obviously discad the prison clothes, having said that, the bible has clearly told us what defiles a man iln Matt 15:10-20, pls study Roman 8, i dont know why you are so concern about the flesh, but even when Paul wrote about the wrath of God against the Gentiles 'n Rm 1:24-32, pls read, you will see that he was very clear. Christ in his teachings never bordered so much on dressing amd eating/drinking, maybe ur no nonsense church/pastor sabi pass am, bytheway, most of those ppl who claimed that God has taken them tn see what is hapening in heaven and hell are fake-they are decieving you and smiling to their banks. Finall, you remember the story of the lady who poured designers perfume on Jesus? See Jn12. God bless.

christemmbassey: Romans 8:1 there is therefor nmw no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after flesh, but after the Spirit. 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath make me free, from the law of sin and death. (KJV) I WISH THOSE THAT ARE PRACTICING JUDAISM IN CHRISTIANITY WILL UNDERSTAND THIS.

Joagbaje: There's no revealing nothing. It's editors work. What's the contradiction?

anukulapo: @GOSHEN
While we have to reason the "reasonable" parts,[/b]let us not forget that God is not an idea/body of theories that is subject to review by us.

[b]There are the parts of our faith that must be accepted and swallowed hook,line and sinker otherwise,we are not a part of the faith in the first place.

Goshen360: Brothers and sister, there is a place for "faith" in believing God for something but there's also a place for reasoning and thinking the word of God. Now, I'm not referring to 'wisdom of this world' which is of this world but I'm referring to reasoning out the scriptures in our new birth or sanctified nature unto God. God isn't gonna do what we are suppose to do by ourselves.

Today, I can't but express pain in my heart when I hear stories of how 'young' Christians are being manipulated because they've been programmed to believe they cannot use their brain and senses to reason for themselves the moment they believe in Christ as their Lord and Saviour. This is a wrong teaching as we see Apostle Paul 'reasoning' the scripture with the Jews.

New International Version
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures. - Acts 17:2

anukulapo: P.S.
Watin happen now? We no come here from you again for that side. Abeg,if you no go come futher your doctrinal position again,just come give your honourable "sign-off" post.

okeyxyz: ##Before I answer, I need to make you aware of "A Wisdom" here. First, you need to understand that there were two versions of Jesus when he walked the earth. The first version was the jesus who preached and kept The Law, because his mission was to come to "fulfill" the law. So until he fulfills it, he could not speak against this law. Then there was the jesus who spoke against the law, but because the law was still legally subsisting, He would speak in parables(hidden), thus not breaking the law that he came to "fulfill". So Jesus has since fulfilled this law by becoming the personification of the law and dying, and by dying, he has put the law to death, and this is the era of grace.

so to answer your questions:

##(1A) According to the law: Means what it says literaly

According to grace, Confess your sins means: renounce the law as your standard of righteousness, for the law itself is the sin.

##(2A) According to the law means what it says literally

[size=20pt]According to grace Sin no more means: submit yourself to grace, not to sin(The law)[/size]


But christians today are still stuck-up to that "good" jesus who kept the law literally, but they fail to decode the revelations of his parables which was the real mission and true gospel. Thus Paul wrote that we no longer recognize that jesus of human morales:
Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer(2 Corinthians 5:16 ).

Remember when a certain ruler addressed Jesus as Good Teacher? What was jesus answer to him?
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone(Luke 18:19 ).

This would give you the idea that our morale standards of right is actually wrong in the eyes of god.

okeyxyz: Therefore All-Things you used to think were sins(makes you unworthy of godhood) are no longer sins, and you are set free to go as you please. So se.x without marriage cannot be sin, drinking alcohol cannot be sin, gambling cannot be sin, smoking cannot be sin, etc
...FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS(1 Corinthians 10:26 )

You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify(1 Corinthians 10:23 )

but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin.

MostHigh: MEANWHILE GOSHEN, FROSBEL, TRUTHISLIGHT, CHRISTEMBASSEY, YOU ALL ARE QUOTING PAUL AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY FIGHTING YASHUA WITH THE WORDS OF CHRIST

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF PAUL?

WHEN PAUL MAKES A STATEMENT THEN YOU ALL SAY (AND SCRIPTURE SAYS) IS YASHUA NOT THE END OF ALL DISCUSSION?

PLEASE LET THE CHRIST LIGHT WITHIN YOU SHINE THROUGH I WOULD RATHER YOU ALL TELL ME (AND JESUS CHRIS SAID) THERE IS MORE CONVICTION THERE

truthislight: This Guy reminds me of @Buzugi. Aka @Obediah777. Lol

^^^
@Obediah777

na wao!

christemmbassey: @bro Seyi st jones, Christ said "if you know the truth, the truth shall make you free" (jn8:32 KJV) Now the question is, what is the TRUTH? And untill one is able to answer this for himself his case will remain like the case of Paul who sincerely believed that he was serving God by persecuting christians. Pls my beloved brother use this passion u've put into this ur wear this dont wear that rather to preach the gospel-goodnews. Now there's a story by Jesus in Math25:31-46, the ppl that will go to Heaven and or Hell is mention there, i just checked and i notice that Christ did not mention ppl with wrong/bad dress sense or make-up, unless you want to say Christ forgot to mention them. We dont support uncladliness but it has nothing to do with christianity. God bless.

ATMC: By the way @bro goshen, when are we going to hear your testimony of your wifey?

ATMC: Glorious things are spoken of her, tell her to come online and teach me few things, i wanna be a good wife.

moonraker: As long as there were no jazz involved!!!

frosbel: I have nothing against free will offerings.

But our concern should be those who cannot afford 10,000 talk less of 300,000, these are the people who need cars to be offered free without charge.

Again, this is a good thing in terms of gesture, however I have a problem with distribution in terms of where the real needs are.