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Simply because the people who are called by the name of God are supposed to know and behave better. Because they are supposed to be the light and salt of the world. What then happens when the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. The word of God didn't tell us not to love the people of the world because we are to go into the world and make disciples BUT the world of God tells us not to love the world neither the things which are in the world.

~ Just my thought anyway ~

Mauyiwa: Badagry Local Govt area of Lagos state.. "Nyinwan nawe" Egun language

Welcome to my/our world.

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Okay my dearest brother. Nevertheless at thy words.....I submit - Speaking the truth towards correction with Grace and love. However, we know in part and also speak in part. That might be Russell's way of speaking. ~Am not speaking for him anyway, just saying~

diluminati: i just want to point something out imo and a little derailing. when you say god talks to you, sorry dude, you are just talking to yourself. the scripture whispered to your ears is a result of your brain activity, hope you know what the brain can do. well back to topic.

Diluminati sweerie, how are you doing. Longest time. Sure you are doing well. You know you are not here or there with me when it happened. This is what we are talking about here. The men of God were inspired by something - The Holy Spirit. I wasn't in a meditation mode when it happened sweerie. Back to the topic sweerie,lolz

danwo: @Goshen360

I thought the dog wags the tail but you've inadvertently managed to get the tail wagging the dog here

Okay. Thanks to everyone who have contributed one way or the other. This is what is called "e-fellowship". As we fellowship with one another. we learn the truth the more.

My special thanks goes to "staggerman" and "danwo", in this matter because their posts made the most perfect of the explanation of the word of God. However, I will borrow the words of some of the brethren to explain what is meant by the context of 2 Timothy 3:16. First, let it be known to everyone that devil and demons are non-redeemable, otherwise the blood of Jesus would have redeemed them. The devil and demons who spoke in the bible just like bro "Joagbaje" mentioned ARE NOT INSPIRED BY GOD OR THE HOLY SPIRIT for the devil and demons CANNOT be filled with the Holy Ghost neither can the Holy Spirit come upon them.

Bro. Olaadegbu gave a perfect definition of what is meant by the "scriptures". This is one of the key to understand when I was having fellowship with the father through the Holy Ghost. When you understand the meaning of "scriptures", then you understand that, it wasn't the devil or the demons who are inspired but the "writings" of the scriptures, that's what is "inspired by the inspiration or breathe of God".

For instance, when the devil tempted Jesus, Matthew and other Gospel writers were not there at the scene but they were "inspired" to write what happened between Christ and the devil. When Moses wrote Genesis for instance, he wasn't born yet but he was "inspired" by the Holy Spirit to write. For one to be inspired, such person must either be filled with the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit come upon such person for such specific assignment. Hence, it is the holy men who wrote the scriptures that were inspired unlike the devil and demons who spoke in the bible and that which is written down for us by theses holy men of God through the inspiration or breathe of God is what is called the scriptures. Hence, the scriptures is called the inspired word of God.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:20-21 Kjv

This is the kind of thing that happens in a place where GREED, PERVERSION and COMPETITION rules. I speak the truth without the fear of man in this matter - Both Pastor Adeboye and these young pastors are all guilty. How do I mean?

As the report says,

shadrach77: According to the report, since Pastor Adeboye popularly called Daddy G.O by his members turned 70 in March this year, some young pastors have been putting pressure on the revered man of God to vacate the post of the G.O as it is the custom of the church for any serving official to retire when they clock 70 years of age.

If their so called constitution says ANY serving official is to retire at the age of 70 years. I "assume" the G.O is not excluded from this constitution. You see, where there is no law, there is no sin. First, there is no such thing as 70 years retirement for servants of God in the bible. However, since they have made their own laws for their own organization, i believe it is binding on Pastor Adeboye to resign according to their constitution. Failure to honorably do that is to violate the constitution of the organization.

Second, the "young pastors" who called for the retirement of the G.O and subsequently planned food poisoning for a man who have raised them. We are in a mess when such things are mentioned among Christians. This shows the level of greed, competition and power craze going on in the lives of people who are called MoGs. Indeed, godliness with contentment is a great gain. Alas, when some group of "young pastors" who have been "eyeing" the big position and are disappointed will suddenly receive a call to start their own church. Subsequently, we have groups of killers handling the pulpit. This is the reason we have many churches and yet, immorality abound in the society.

What then shall we say?

shadrach77: Who in this world would be happy to be responsible for Pastor Adeboye’s death?

The question continues and remains a mystery unless God reveals the "sons of perdition".

"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness" (I Timothy 6:11).

There are just two places in the New Testament where a person is called a "man of God" (both of which are in Paul's letters to Timothy), and they reveal the attributes which warrant us to call someone a man (or woman) of God.

The first occurrence, found in our text, tells us that such a person should, first of all, not be one who loves money and the material things money can buy, for "the love of money is the root of all evil" (see previous verse, I Timothy 6:10). Instead, his pursuit should be after personal righteousness and godliness, as well as stronger faith, more genuine love for others, more patience, and true meekness.

Speaking of meekness (not weakness), Moses was called "the man of God" in the very first use of this phrase in the whole Bible, and we are told that "the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth" (Numbers 12:3). Yet he was able to lead two million Israelites out of slavery in Egypt and then through forty years in the Sinai desert.

The second New Testament reference to the "man of God" is in reference to his use of the Scriptures. He will recognize that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God. . . . That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" (II Timothy 3:16-17).

Thus the essential characteristics of a true man of God will be a great desire for personal righteousness and godliness, faith and love, patience and strong meekness, accompanied by the avoidance of any taint of greed or covetousness. In terms of his Christian beliefs, he will have an unshakable confidence in the verbal inerrant truth and authority of the Holy Scriptures. HMM

by Henry Morris, Ph.D.
http://www.icr.org/article/18744/

I know the religious people will soon come up with words such as: who are you to judge any man? They will quickly remind us, touch not mine anointed and will soon begin to threaten us with all kinds of curse. However, we speak the words of the bible and not our own words. The bible simply makes it clear who qualifies to be called a man of God and what a man of God should be characterized with. Today, what picture do we see of the so called men of Greed posing as men of God? Does it tally with the bible characteristics of man of God? Perhaps, you might want to look at your man of God from the light of this article or the word of God.

Do we really understand the context or what is meant in 2 Timothy 3:16?

I was having fellowship with our heavenly Father through the Holy Spirit while I was bathing, just about to go to bed last night. Immediately I stepped into the bathtub, the Spirit of God whispered to my ears - 2 Timothy 3:16,

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Without knowing what was to follow, I quickly answered Yes, Lord. And the next question followed:

Are you aware that many people spoke in what us called the "inspired" word of God? Again, I asked, how do you mean Lord? And He said, take for instance, the devil spoke in the bible. I said, Yes. And then the bomb question followed - Can you then say the devil was inspired by God since 2 Timothy 3:16 says ALL SCRIPTURES IS GIVEN BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD?

The Spirit of God began to teach me the meaning and context of this verse and it was nice time until I went to bed and still woke un-recovered from the fellowship. I intend to share the message of here but first, I like us to start it as a discussion rather than me just teaching here. So the question is, was the devil and demons who also spoke in the bible also inspire by God since "ALL SCRIPTURES" is given by the inspiration of God?

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You have spoken the truth of the Gospel of Christ. Unfortunately, many will ignore the contribution of your article. Thank you and God bless you for the time taking to write such article. Let them that cares go sit and study the word of God for themselves rather than following pastor's twisted tithe teachings.

lolz @ topic. And I read an article here on nairaland in the past how someone said, "google is the omni-science". So now we see there are things google don't know, lolz. The fact that google and God started with same two alphabets doesn't mean they have same ending alphabet. I declare the end from the beginning saith the Lord. Our God doesn't share His Glory with anyone or anything, Glory to God. ~Our God reigns~

lolz @ topic. I almost ignored it anyway. ~mouth sealed for now~

chukwudi44: Just thought I should resurect this thread

Hmmmmmmm. This is becoming very interesting, tithe topics being resurrected this week. Okay. Tithe, since I found out the truth, is the greatest SCAM in the name of God.

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Third[i]ED[/i] This is tithe and offering week, so many tithe threads on board. The devil is a liar.

To all those who speak for tithe as still binding to Christians today. I will like to lay to rest this subject until a time in the future when I shall come back to do a comprehensive exposition on tithing from the first mentioned of the word tithe in the bible to the last and we shall open the book to expose this sensitive topic. It has been dealt with in the past but we will deal with it again because all these false tithe teachers can't stop deceiving people in the name of God, so will not also stop contending for the truth of our faith. ~I rest my case for now~

hisblud: thanks will do just that. Please answer the other questions to your bolded statements. Thanks

Yes, my statement applies to "men of God" also. They are also fallible in the things of God, meaning they can err in the teaching of the truth. As regards being cautious in "some" Joseph Prince's teachings, you have to be full of the word of God by yourself to know when someone is teaching the truth or not. So when I listen to him, I listen with open mind BUT with caution and screens his words with the word of God in me. ~I speak only for myself in this aspect~

It is righteousness that exalts a nation not many churches or mosques. The nation will not change until the people change. Churches spring up daily yet iniquity abound. What then are these pastors preaching? Everyone is building their denomination and not building the kingdom of God. Alas, the kingdom lifestyle is far from men and women who attend these churches. Come Lord Jesus!

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Kindly click on my user id, you will see some topics I have started. You will see Joseph Price's thread started by me. God bless.

Besides, what the heck are we talking about here? It's just as simple as ABC. A Pastor says without paying tithe, you can't go to heaven. Is that in the bible? The answer is NO! Many churches today are established simply because they want TITHE. I have seen it many times. They are not interested in the salvation of souls and the message of God. The only reason they are in business in to collect tithes every Sunday. The word of God does not in a way, not a single verse is it found that when someone doesn't pay tithe, such person goes to hell. Where then does this pastor get that from?

1k001: The new testament as used in Hebrew 9 cannot be a reference to the book 'new testament' as we know it now. Paul refers to the new 'covenant' that Christians make with Jesus who has a right to mediate that new 'convenant' because of His atonement.

I reiterate that Christianity cannot be reduced to John - revelation, those books are by no means an exhaustive account of the doctrine of the gospel of Christ. Yes he fullfiled the law, but not every single thing that existed prior to His coming applied to the carnal law alone. An example is in Hebrews 7 where an old testament prophet is said to have a priesthood  'Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life'. The same prophet it turns out Abraham paid tithe to, coincidence?...

Every scripture is GIVEN by the inspiration of God and it is profitable for TEACHING. Meaning, when you are teaching a subject, you have to look at ALL SCRIPTURES surround that subject. You can't pick just one scripture and sit on it to make a doctrine. That is NOT rightly dividing the word of truth. This is what I meant - I have to authority to reduce Christianity to Acts - Revelation. What it simply means is that, Christianity that started after the death of Christ is not binding by the OT law of Moses. Otherwise, apart from offering sacrifices of goats and bulls, we will all still be killing our rebellious children, we will not marry non virgin, we will still stone adulterers and fornicators to death. Christians were NEVER under the law. Why will false teachers ONLY select tithe that it is binding on Christians while they leave out other Mosiac laws. The truth is Christians were NEVER under the law but under Grace.

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Romans 2:14 KJV

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, NIV

As for the Hebrews chapter 7. You need to sit down and read it gently and you understand it. If you leave Hebrews 7 in its context, you will understand that the writer was writing to inform the audience that God is done away with OT practices, including tithing. The basis of argument was established in Hebrews 7:11-20. Tithe has been abolished with the OT levitical practices.

Again, MOST of these tithe false teachers used or twist Hebrews 7:8 to mean Christ was the one that receive "OUR" tithe. This is a gross out of context twisted scripture. It is Melchizedek being "COMPARED" to the "PRIESTLY" order of Aaron and the writer used words of comparison such as, "Here men or In this case......" compared to "there he or in one case....in other case". Kindly read this from all of these translations:

New International Version (©1984)
In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.

New Living Translation (©2007)
The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.

English Standard Version (©2001)
In the one case tithes are received by mortal men, but in the other case, by one of whom it is testified that he lives.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Mortal men collect tithes, but we are informed by Scripture that Melchizedek keeps on living.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And here the children of men who die receive tithes, but there, he about whom the Scriptures testify that he lives.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Priests receive a tenth of everything, but they die. Melchizedek received a tenth of everything, but we are told that he lives.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.

American King James Version
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.

American Standard Version
And here men that die receive tithes; but there one, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And here indeed, men that die, receive thithes: but there he hath witness, that he liveth.

Darby Bible Translation
And here dying men receive tithes; but there one of whom the witness is that he lives;

English Revised Version
And here men that die receive tithes; but there one, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Webster's Bible Translation
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is testified that he liveth.

Weymouth New Testament
Moreover here frail mortal men receive tithes: there one receives them about whom there is evidence that he is alive.

World English Bible
Here people who die receive tithes, but there one receives tithes of whom it is testified that he lives.

Young's Literal Translation
and here, indeed, men who die do receive tithes, and there he, who is testified to that he was living,

Also, you can read Hebrews 7:8 from here: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb.%207:8&version=KJ21

1k001: @Goshen360: teminoni has a point. moreover Christianity can not be reduced to only what Jesus said in the bible.

At the modest of estimations the words of Jesus will fill so many volumes.

We are priviledged to have some of what he said and some of what he revealed to his servants the prophet (Amos 3:7)

In any case going by the words of Jesus, he required the young rich man to forsake all his riches and follow him. One could take that to mean that not just a tenth is required for tithe but rather all that we possess

My brother. This is not about making a point. It is about "sound doctrine". Good point my sound good but doesn't necessarily mean sound teaching. teminoni is yet to ground his teachings in the NT. Like I said, the NT doesn't begin with Matthew to John, it began from Acts of Apostle to Revelation. Hebrews 9:16-17,

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Heb 9:15 KJV

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Heb. 12:24 KJV

teminoni: LOOLL.. Dude, I'v given u like 5 verses today and you are still arguing and coming up with excuses. Ok, go ahead and don't pay you tithe. It doesn't affect me.

I can see your heart has been hardened by the devil.
BTW, Jesus never taught anyone to break any law.

I rest my case.

Please teach the truth of God's word and not your preconceived teachings. Jesus never taught anyone to break the law. What am I saying in my previous post? Are we then still under the law? I just said the same thing that Jesus wasn't against tithe then when he spoke in Matt. 23:23 simple because it was still a "matter of the law". I guess you are dodging from the truth of God's word. Again, kindly show God's people from Acts of Apostle to Revelation where Christian are commanded to tithe? Is that too hard for you? If you can't, then you are guilty of spreading false teachings of tithing.

Sijo01: dude, copy &paste this thing here jare.

Anty mi, abeg relax small o and take am easy. The second link being referred to where the document is signed is a scanned document and cannot be copied and pasted. However, this is the link to the document: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7I379AkzhTcSENpOFJXOVk3cDg/edit

Thank you.

teminoni: K, I have your medicine bro..

Matthew 23

23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.


Luke 11

42 “What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Is that ok for you?

One thing you failed to understand is this - Matthew to John, Jesus was still under the law and was born into the law. The law was still active during the days of Jesus. Let me help you understand Matthew 23:23 without going into too many other scriptures.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 Kjv

1. It wasn't the DISCIPLES or APOSTLES that were practicing tithe here. It was the scribes and pharisees.

2. What is the content of their tithe? The answer is right there in the verse - "ye pay tithe of MINTS and ANISE and CUMMIN. God's BIBLICAL kind of Tithe was commanded ONLY to nation of Israel is from crops and animals, not money even though money existed from Genesis. Also, not EVERYONE in Israel was commanded to bring tithe, ONLY those who are involved in CROPS and ANIMALS.

3. This tithe being referred to by Jesus is STILL according to the law. If the law was still active at the time Jesus was speaking, Jesus could not have taught the people to break the law then. That will be a sin to him. How did I know it is still a thing of the law then? The context speaks for itself - "and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law". It was still a MATTER OF THE LAW at the time Jesus was speaking. Hence, Jesus would say......you have to do it without leaving other undone.

4. The law was a schoolmaster that should lead Israel to Christ. After Christ died, he fulfilled the law and the works of the end ended by bring people to Christ. The law......of Moses is no longer needed after Christ died because the death of Christ fulfilled the law of Moses and gave a new law called the NT.

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Same here. I have reduced my time on Nairaland because of such activities mentioned above. This same "weed" attitudes had made many great minds to depart this session. I will watch for a while and return fully in due season. Great move by Seun Osewa. Thank you.

A big thank you to Russell Kelly and flourishG. God bless you.

hisblud: on the tithing issue by joseph prince, i do have my reservation but most of his teaching i do agree. I wish he dumps this tithe stuff

I "sometimes" listen to Joseph Prince. As a matter of fact, I have also refuted some of his heresy on this board. The truth is, all humans are fallible in the things of God. You have to be REALLY careful in "some", not "all" of Joseph Prince's teachings. That's all I will say for now.

Ihedinobi: I feel that Russell was a bit harsh, but I can understand. However, I agree with him.

Hey my brother, how you dey. Sure the Grace of God is always keeping you. Well, it is you that "felt" Russell was a bit harsh. The word of God itself is harsh - correcting the things contrary to human nature. Don't you think that in itself is harsh? Well, I wish many Christians being deceived with this tithe of a false teaching will open their bible for one and learn the truth for themselves.

inereunwa1: you guys should read the link in my signature the answers are there!!

I have gone through the link in your signature. I didn't see the one that relates to this topic. Kindly point us to it or create the link and paste here. Thank you.

jimino: My frnd, paying of title is obligation 4 all xtians.

I am weary of "tithe" topic on this board. Hence, I stopped talking for a while. However, statement like this from people like you has drawn me into this subject again. How can you make such a statement without a biblical verse to support your claim. Even in Israel, NOT EVERYONE WAS COMMANDED TO "BRING" tithe, not to talk of "PAY" tithe. So you think "tithe" is what you "owe" God?. THERE IS NO WHERE, NOT A SINGLE VERSE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELLS "CHRISTIANS" TO TITHE - This might baffle your "theology" but it's the truth. Christianity didn't start until AFTER the death of Christ. Hence, they were first called Christian in Acts of Apostle. Therefore, you might want to show everyone where tithe is COMMANDED to ALL Christians from Acts to Revelation.

jimino: God specifically asked us 2 bring 1 tenth of our harvest or income 2 his house(church).

This show you don't know what you are talking about, (I don't mean insult though). God NEVER commanded tithe from INCOME. God's biblical tithe is SPECIFICALLY FROM CROPS AND ANIMALS. That is being specific. I will like you to show us where God SPECIFICALLY mentioned INCOME, as in monetary income. Again, you called church the house of God. You erred in this statement. The church is the body of Christ, not the building. The storehouse where tithe of crops/animals were commanded in the OT was a small house inside the temple of OT. Today, our body is the temple of God and we, collection of believer as a whole is the body of Christ called the church.

@ Topic,

Tithe is NOT a NT testament practice for NT believers. God commanded it for OT Israel which was a type and shadow of NT Christian. However, it was replaced with freewill giving which is by grace. Many pastors are guilty of this fraud in the name of God called tithe. Like someone said while I was reading comments, there are kinds of heaven, so which one will tithe take you to? Tithe is NEVER a commandment to the CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS and it has been proved to be a modern day fraud in the name of God.

Calvary greetings to the members, leadership and administration of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG).

This article and suggestion came as a result of my chat with a friend this morning, traveling the Lagos-Ibadan express road of Nigeria and was held in a heavy traffic for hours due to the yearly convention of the above mentioned church organization. It has become a normal occurrence whenever the above mentioned organization gathers together for worship in their usual programmes such as Holy Ghost Service on every first Friday of each month, August yearly convention and other national/international programmes. Many years back, before I left Nigeria for the United States, I often experience the same traffic and it became so irritating to me that I had to be held in a heavy traffic because of an organization gathering to worship God. Don't get me wrong. I am also a believer and once a member of the RCCG during my polytechnic days in Offa, Kwara state of Nigeria. However, I do believe we should not constitute a barrier to traffic on national roads that is meant for other citizens of the country. Hence, I believe it is the responsibility of the leadership and administration to solve this problem without waiting on the government for too long a time.

Suggested Solution

In my humble opinion. I believe this traffic problem is cause by the church organization due to their gathering for worship as they enjoy freedom of worship. Hence, it is in my humble opinion that the problem must be solved by RCCG. It doesn't make sense to hold other commuters in a heavy traffic simply because we want to worship our God. As much as we have freedom of religion to worship our God, other also have their rights and freedom to enjoy the government facilities as the same citizens. I hereby put forward suggestions that will eradicate or reduce traffic on Lagos-Ibadan Express road whenever the organization have their meetings.

This is what I believe is a simple solution. The church organization don't have to wait for the government to expand the road by two lanes that will divert cars into the redemption camp off the main express road. I believe when two additional lanes is added to the main express road as it is now, this will facilitate the movement on cars for the redeemed members who are turning into the camp to stay off the road from the beginning to ending of the redemption land allocation. Hence, from the beginning to the ending of redemption camp's land, the road should be expanded by two addition lanes which will be used by redeemed members whenever they are diverting into the camp rather than sharing same two lane express road with other commuters who are not diverting into the redemption camp.

This suggestion as we know might otherwise affect some of the facilities that had been built in the past by the organization. One reason is, there are some structure built too close the expressway and such might need to be moved back a little farther to the expressway. I believe it will be a wise thing to do in the long run because, it will solve the problem of heavy traffic often experienced to the members of RCCG and other road users.

I hereby appeal to the members, leadership and administration of RCCG to kindly look into this traffic issue and the above suggestion. Thank you and God bless.

@ manmustwac,

Thanks for your response. I have sent a PM to JeSoul, checking on her. Again, while we notice you are the only moderator working in this session for now, I will highly appreciate that you clean up this board of "Islamic" threads. I "assume" these threads should be in the "Islam" Session. I don't have to post the link for such threads, just look around the topics of most thread, you will see the ones that should be moved to the Islam session. I believe that is the main reason they have their own session. I stand to be corrected if am wrong. Thank you bro.