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For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1:17 –Kjv

Soon after Apostle Paul had established the Galatians Churches in the truth of the word of God which he received by revelation from Jesus Christ. It marveled Paul that the Galatians are SOON/SO QUICKLY REMOVED from the true gospel of Christ which is based on Grace and faith in the laws of Christ UNTO ANOTHER PERVERTED GOSPEL by those who trouble the church of God (Gal. 1:6-7). The REMOVAL of the Galatians Church from the truth of the Gospel of Christ is self removal by which they were bewitched by Judaizers of their time who are false teachers and are still evident in our days. This REMOVAL is parallel to that of Jesus spoken to the Church in Ephesus in Revelation 2:5,

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

It amazed Paul as much as it amazes God today that many believers/Christians engage themselves in self removal from the truth of the Gospel of Christ by allowing themselves to be perverted from the Gospel of Christ to a different/another Gospel which is not grounded in Grace and truth for the law was given by Moses but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. Many Christians today like the Galatians Christians are being bewitched. To be bewitched does not necessarily involved in physical witchcraft gathering but it involves manipulation, deception, intimidation, controlling and perversion of the nature of God in a believer.

The Apostle Paul asked the Galatians Christians WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU? Evidently, it is Satan who bewitched the Church through the invasion of his false teachers who have come into the church in order to pervert the Gospel of Christ. Today, professing Christians are being “tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine” (Ephesians 4:14), not only with legalism but also with evolutionism, emotionalism (being witched by appealing to your emotions in the church to hear what you want to hear rather than what God says), libertinism, traditions of men and many other unscriptural heresies. Many, like the Galatians, have been “bewitched” by clever/subtle and "sugar quoted/sweet tongued" persuasion into such deceptions. The Greek word for “bewitched” is used only this once in the New Testament, and does not necessarily refer to witchcraft as such. The connotation is “fascinated” or “deceived.”

The word of God through the Apostle Paul says, “Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light and so also his servants or ministers” 2 Cor. 11:14-15 (Niv). Are you bewitched and perverted not to obey the truth of the Gospel of Christ? Are you soon removed from the Grace and truth that came by Jesus into obeying a different/another Gospel? What is "another or other gospel"? and what are the symptoms of being bewitched or Grace/truth perverted Gospel?

Speak.....for we are here to edify ourselves.

But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7 Kjv

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 Kjv

Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Philippians 4:5 Kjv

@ OP,

Where was God during Joker/James Holmes massacre?

The same place God was when you cheated in the past and got away with it. Where was God? I tell you where He was - The same place God was when you stole in the past and same God allowed you to get away with it. The same place God was when you lied and you got away with it. The same place God was when did fraud and manipulated your fellow human being and you got away with it. Where was God? The same place God was when you committed murder in the past, and mind you it necessarily killing that is murder in the sight of God for he who hates his brothers is a murderer. Where was God? The same place where God was when you committed adultery/fornication.

Begin to count days henceforth, God is preparing men that will not bow to Baals like the days of Elijah. God is raising back a "voice crying in the wilderness" like that of John the Baptist. These men will defy the norms and common practices of today's man-made churchianity, these men will stand to the truth of the word of God, they will look to face-to-face with corrupt politicians and tell them "thus saith the Lord". Men that will not corrupt themselves with the King's portion like Daniel. Men that will speak the truth of God's word UNDILUTED AND UNTRADITIONAL. The days are near, it shall come to past saith the Spirit of the Lord.

@ op,

Check here if/when you have time, https://www.nairaland.com/913987/uncomfortable-questions-tithe-preachers

Also this thread will help you: https://www.nairaland.com/863724/tithes-offerings-first-fruits-apply

Tithing had being abolished. Let no man deceive you. Not everyone in Israel were commanded to tithe, only those that produced crops and rear animals but everyone is required to give something.

mkmyers45: I am sorry goshen but in Nigeria....they will never be a difference...to many 'Church and Tithe Cards' is the next big thing and thats why i smh at all Nigerian ministries/groups etc...They claim the noble call but alas they are far from that...

You are right my brother. I am here to be part of the ones to open the eyes of our fellow Christian, for those who care to listen anyway. You can't force people to follow the truth. The issue of "tithe card" is a devilish practice. Even the Israelites that tithes from their crops and animals never had such instructions from God to monitor their tithing. Such practice is satanic and I strongly stand against it. God is raising his new breed without greed that will clean up the household of faith.

Logicbwoy: Every church has the tendency of tithe fraud. Simple. There is even misuse of funds in the catholic church even though it is the most organized church in the world

Your statement highlighted is not 100% true. There are many churches that don't practice tithing because they know the truth about God's true/biblical tithing. There is a church here in the USA, their leader is called John MacArthur, he is a strong bible teacher of truth, his church is about 25,000 members. They never tithe "money" but practice giving. There are also many more I know too well that don't practice tithing. And when you use such words as "Simple", it means you "probably" have a concluded point in your mind and thinks that is final. It's not true, not "Every" church has the tendency of tithe fraud.

Logicbwoy: Lets have a simple discussion.

Wouldnt it be the best solution to make religion a personal thing and become more secular? As long as christianity is given priviledge, tithe frauds will always soil the name of christianity.

Religion as you mentioned will be a personal thing but a practice of "church" and "ministry" are not the same thing. I do not support tithing because It's not a new testament thing. Aside, not everyone in Israel were commanded to tithe but all were required to give, no matter how little it may be. We all have something to give but we don't all have the biblical content of tithe - crops and animals.

The purpose of this thread is to be an eye opener to those that will care to listen and act wisely. The "church" of God is not to run as "ministry" where it is being administered as personal business, one man show and the people of God used as merchandise to manage a family establishment that is cleverly named "church" on the surface but the practice of a biblical church is absent.

@ manmustwac,
You are welcome my brother. Keep doing the good work. Besides, how and where is JeSoul, I have seen her lately on the forum. Hope is doing fine?

@ Ay,
Yes you can do all those things on the phone but my fear is the phone has a different way to highlight/select, copy/paste. It's a little different from the one I gave you that could be done on laptop or desktop computer. The one of phones need that you know how to combine the function keypads.

To highlight/select a text using your phone, place the cursor at the beginning of the text you wish to select/highlight, press and hold down the "shift" key on your keypad and while you hold it down, press the "right/left arrow" key depending on the direction you are highlighting towards. This will select/highlight the text. To copy, do the same point I gave you using "Ctrl C" and Paste as "Ctrl V". This will do on the phone.

The real truth we should educate our fellow Christians and young believers that are being lured into this falsehood and deception of one man show that they claimed to be ministry but turned into church is that church is different from ministry. When a man says he has a ministry and using church to run his ministry, he is cleverly saying am running a one man business in the name of God for my personal/family benefits. This is very contrary to church organization in the word of God. One thing people are not likely to see in the falsehood of false prophets is that, they will so do things very cleverly to the extend it will almost be difficult to spot error from the truth unless one is grounded well in scriptures

Today, we see people naming church after their ministry. We see father (founder) cunningly installing his son/wife while he is still alive to take over after him, the founder. Those this mean there are no good people in such church to take after the founder? Jesus never installed all his family members to establish the church even though his family members participated in the early church. Today, there are churches operated as ministry with ALL family members installed in key positions from father to the least of the family member and the people of God used as merchandise for family establishment and cunningly called church. We do not have such practice in the church of Jesus.My job/ministry is to "open the eyes of them that sit in darkness". What do you do with good knowledge gained from good threads on this board? Use it wisely. Should you be in such one man or family establishment, cunningly called church; kindly seek the face of God and allow God lead you out of such place to the place where you will grow by the word.

Too often, a man makes a mistake in an organized church setting and he's being chastised in one way or the other. The next thing is he is too proud to be humiliated and be chastised, he suddenly receive a "divine calling" into the MINISTRY. From ministry, he gathers congregation and start a church organization leading to denomination whereby division, malice and competition for fame strives.

Looking into the context of ministry, it is glaring that ministry had been turned into organized church setting like a one man organization contrary to bible teachings. Today's organized church claims to be a church but in the light of the word of God, they actually operate ministry, operating a one man show or one man business empire for the scripture teaches that an organized church must have pastor(s), elders, deacons, teachers etc and all of these ministry gifts must be functioning in their ministry within an organized church. Today's church are full of men who claim to have ministry and have converted such ministries into organized churches, hence making the church of God their personal properties without the true biblical structure of a true organized church as stated in the bible and running the organization of the church as a one man show.

Have you considered the difference between a ministry, a biblical organized church and denominations? What do you think? Only Christian/Believers talk, Atheists are not welcome.

Besides, what's the difference between Disciples and brethren?

And which has more insight and revelation?

OLAADEGBU: The difference is that it is much easier to check out the bible commentaries to see where they are coming from this is not easily discerned from the pulpit. The danger is that many preachers have been corrupted throught the liberal seminaries that now flood the place, much of those seminaries have now become cementaries.

Brother Olaadegbu,

In addition to my first comment, take a look at this:

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Jude 5.

It was a salvation but an OT salvation and that kind of salvation requires practices such as physical high priest, washing of sins by blood of goats and bulls, righteousness by works, etc but the NT salvation is based on better covenant by which we draw nearer to God. Hebrews 7:19

Ayomivic: How can i select or highlight world ?I don't know how to do that.

For instance, If I wish to select or highlight your text above, I will place my mouse right before "H" that started your statement above "How can I select or highlight word? I don't know how to do that." and without leaving or still holding the mouse click down, I will drag over or across the whole text until it changes to "blue" highlight as I perform the action and stop/drop the mouse click when I have selected/highlighted my desired text. I can now "Ctrl C" to copy, then "Ctrl V" to PASTE.

You wanna try it out? Give it a shot.

Ayomivic: pls, can anyone teach me how to refer someone to another site thread .

To refer someone else to another thread, simple follow this steps:

1. Go to the thread you wish to refer the person to

2. Click on the url or address in the address bar up your browser, it will automatically highlight or select all in "blue"

3. Press "Ctrl and C" at the same time on your keyboard, TO COPY the url/link selected or "right click" on the selected url/link being selected, there will be a drop down options, select "copy"

4. Go to the new/current thread where you wish to refer the person from, and type your message and then "right click on a space to PASTE what you have copied the url/link or press "Ctrl and V" on your keyboard to PASTE the url/link you have copied.

OLAADEGBU: There is nothing wrong in trusting a Bible teacher if we do our home work both on the lives and the doctrines that they preach before and after their teaching. The Bible says that we should try the spirits whether they are of God (1 John 4:1).

I can't but agree with you my dear brother. Aside of testing the spirits whether they are of God, I have debated the issue of "should we or not use study bible" in the past. My answer is, there is no difference btw a Pastor on the Pulpit teaching and preaching the word of God and a bible teacher who adds commentary or annotation to the bible text for,

Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God's people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. Eph. 4:11-12 NLT

OLAADEGBU: The New Henry Morris study bible I bought also doubles as an apologetic study bible and comes with an online study bible/commentary. The New Answers Books 1, 2 and 3 extensively covers this topic and more, check out the AiG website for more info.

Just checked the AiG website. Very nice place to check out some stuffs and also, I will like to personally thank you for introducing me to ICR and Dr. Morris Henry. Am yet to get my own Henry Morris Study bible because I have to wait for some more items to be released at the christianbook.com website so I have order as many as I have listed on my list. He is a strong bible teacher and I thank God for the Grace of God on him, can't wait to have his study bible. Let me give you in return this online study bibles:

http://www.mystudybible.com/

http://www.esvbible.org/Genesis+1/

http://books.google.com/books?id=p3dT6ZPr_mkC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Like I said, many of this things you raise had been tried and failed. There are stubborn Atheists here that are determined to derail and pollute such threads opened with good intentions. Besides, if one is mature in his/her conversation, one should understand that not ALL threads you should jump into. Take it serious, some people are here just being on pampers and never want to grow up. May God help us all.

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My sister, I understand you perfectly well. My issue is (without specifically mentioning some names), how do we have good fellowship when you open a thread for Christian teachings, growth and edification when there is constant derailing and immature activities that is constantly done on purpose by some "babies"? How? It's like you are in your work place and being constantly disturbed by a "mad man", will you be encouraged to continue to work in such office? I am not against Atheist per say on this board, but I think the rules of this session is not strictly adhered to and this is main cause to the quality of Christian fellowship we have on this session.

One thing is certain, the "voice of one crying in the wilderness" had been lost in the body of Christ today. Our pulpits is filled with men that are no more righteousness conscious. Our preachers dine and wine with corrupt politicians without telling them to their face, "thus saith the lord". How can we truly be the light of the world when we ourselves are on a "download", when we are cooked on one side and raw on the other.

God is raising men behind the screen, men that will be his voice in the end time, men that will stand like John the Baptist and speak to the face of corrupt rulers without fear or favour. The revolution had already started in the Spirit. Nice thread.

kokabiel: That is absolutely hateful thinking - from your speech it seems you have an unhealthy obsession with Atheists and Religion.

I don't think frosbel have any unhealthy obsession with Atheists. I don't know how long you have being around here but the truth is, their are many Atheists here that are just too rude and immature. I respect people like manmustwac, mazaje and other mature Atheist who contributes without derailing any Christian threads and who knows when and which threads to enter into. This is the core issue.

And as for the anti pastor chris and anti tb joshua case you mentioned rather than preaching the Gospel, the word of God is not respectal of persons. If a man is a "world wide" pastor or prophets and says something that is quite not "sound" doctrine, they word of God permits us to refute such man even though he is of the house of faith. However, we need wisdom to do that. I personally don't like to mention names when I do sound teachings exposing false teachings in the body of Christ. Just because a man of God preaches something from the bible as long as he get a verse to back up his actions does not make ALL practices right, if it were so, we will ALL be right and no one will be wrong. The word of God is two edged sword my sister.

frosbel: With the invasion of this forum by atheists and others of no fixed religion, it is becoming more and more apparent that Seun needs to provide Christians with a section of theirs.

It is almost impossible to fellowship with other believers on this forum because of childish trolls roaming the place, entering every topic not meant for them, adding silly comments and providing no value to the thread and constantly derailing topics.

80% of the topics raised on this forum are by atheists , who while denying the existence of God spend almost their entire time ( not sure if they have real jobs ) talking about him.

Most people of good intention and maturity have left this forum, and people like me are fast beginning to lose interest .

Do something about it, before the quality and quantity of debaters abandon this forum.

Brother Frosbel,

Thank you for the heart of the word of God burning inside of you. I must confess to you. The quality of this board is fast degrading due to the points raised and highlighted above. For someone like me, I can continue arguing with an Atheist that his/her mind is already made up or not ready to listen to other people's view or not being open minded. This is one of the reason you don't see me here often anymore except when a thread critically calls for me to speak.

I do not claim to know ALL but am here to spread the Gospel and teach God's people the truth in God's word. Staying here in the religious session most time is like one is wasting his/her time due to the childish behavior and immature conversation of some contributors. You are right on spot that having fellowship with other believers is fast fading away on this board. It's not a good thing at all. When Atheists don't believe in our God, what then are they doing in threads opened to discuss about the God they don't believe in other than derail such threads? This is the reason I have simply decided to read behind from behind for quite sometimes now.

We (Christians) need a session exclusively for Christian teachings, exhortation, building ourselves and for growth.

I do not think God "hates" any of His Creations. I believe God "loves them less". God does not hate. Anywhere you read the text of hatred and the subject is God, Just substitute with the phrase, "loves them less". We serve a loving God, Glory to God.

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My brother. Thanks for fighting the good fight of faith. One thing that is wrong with today's Christian is this: they so much trust a bible teacher to the extent that they can't even check whatever such teacher says like the Berean Christians. This is why we have a whole movement saying what God never said in the bible. Anybody can use the bible to prove whatever they want to prove.

You see, Dake's is one of the teachers of this false teachings and studying the context of his references such as in Isaiah and Ezekiel, you will simply realize they don't speak anything about the Gap and Pre-Adamic age. They are all way off reference text that doesn't support Gen.1:1-2. I have Dake's works and though I respect his great teachings BUT I don't just see any Gap throughout the scriptures and am kind of disappointed how Dake polluted such a great work with that Gap Idea. This is why we have the Holy Spirit, when you listen to a bible teacher or study some text, they Holy Spirit bears witness and/or teach us the truth.

Another study bible I will love you to have is the "apologetics study bible and hcsb Study bible". If you can afford both, that will be great. If you can't afford both, I can give you the WHOLE of hcsb online and the study notes then you buy "apologetics study bible". The apologetics is one of those that refuted the Gap theory. You will thank me for such.

Moderators,

I have noticed too many Islamic threads that are supposed to be in the Islam section here in the Christian section. Are Muslims now allowed to start threads in the Christian section? Kindly move them to their appropriate section please.

Thank you all.

Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2 John 3.

I agree with my brother jason123. To add more, I think both the beginning and ending is spoken in the scripture but much emphasis laid on the ending though. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending and the bible says "As He (Jesus) is, so are we in this world". Also, it is written that the glory of the latter shall be greater than the former. Both are important because if the foundation (beginning) be destroyed, what then can the righteous do? However, much emphasis is laid on the ending. My prayer is, if you have started well, you will finish well by this, the Grace of the Author and finisher rest on us. Glory to God.

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Thomas that doubted "some" things about Christ can do or that doesn't believe God exist? The doubt of Thomas is NOT in whether God exist or not. Once again, do something meaningful with your life. God doesn't need you to prove His existence if you don't believe in Him.

@ OP,
You you have to do now is start studying the word of God and take it slowly and gently. God will begin to unfold His truth to you. Forget your past life and never return to it anymore even though the devil will try to come after you again. God bless you. Welcome to the fold of our dear God.

MacDaddy01: Erm, why not address the omnipotence issue? Is your God really omnipotent?

Wait until He takes the breathe He gave you to breath and you can prove to Him if He is Omnipotent or not. He doesn't prove Himself to those who don't believe in Him and you have proved not to believed in Him. So what the heck is your headache?

MacDaddy01: Wait, how old do you think I am?

I careless about your age. If you are mature, act like one and stop wearing pampers. Whatever your age, people younger than you are making it big time more than you and people older than you are also doing great in life. All am saying is, use your time and energy towards something meaningful so you can smile at your old age.