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musKeeto: If oga Goshen's answers goes beyond the 'can the clay ask the potter' range, I would be surprised...

Oga musKeeto, no mind me jare. E don tay wey i say hello to you. Definitely my answer will go beyond "can the clay ask the potter" lol. Wait make i answer the simple question jare. I will type long though.

Logic Mind: you need to consult google first?

You funny bro. Look around, i was typing a long reply in another thread. lol . Me! consult google? kai, you don fall my hand o. By the way, didn't you read that Atheists are NOT WANTED HERE.

Bros, abeg commot for here joo

Image123: ^it MAY be better we take it one by one, but as you please though.

Okay sir, let's talk it one by one then. I had wanted us treat it one after the other but you said you will respond at your own convenient so i decided to go on. I will be waiting.

nuclearboy: Wisdom, knowledge & understanding

And humility!

How do you mean bro?

@ Image123,

Quote from Q.3

Image123: What is levitical tithes? If you speak of tithes given to Levites, there are different Levites. there were those who work full time in Jerusalem according to courses/timetable. There were those who didn't. Levi was a tribe, and not all of them can work in the temple. there was tithe taken to Jerusalem and put in treasuries. there was also tithes shared WITHIN your gates. i've explained this in reply to question one.[/b]Who are the Levites today? What sort of question is that? The Levites were set apart for God's service, to teach others God's ways in the various locations across Israel and to serve in the temple. They had no work, and that's a major reason why God gave them the tithe of Israel.

And remember, when i say Levites, i'm referring to the whole tribe of Levi which includes the priests, the porters, the Levites, the singers etc. Anyone today that is set apart for God's work is fulfilling the same duty. It's no more restricted to a particular tribe or nation. there was a time when God wanted to use the firstborn sons of Israel for this, then latter He used the Levites. [b]Now/Today, it's anyone. It does not have to be the house of Aaron or of Gershon. The same functions still apply, and the house of God still need to be taken care of. You see, god is greater than your ilk. You still want to keep us under the law where it's Levi or no other. But we are not under the law but under grace. It is grace and the cross that has put away the vail, and we do not all have to go to Jerusalem to worship God, but can now worship Him in Spirit and in TRUTH.

Well, you are still mentioning "in" Jerusalem BUT that mountain was terminated by Christ himself in John 4:21-24. We have dealt with the issues of who are Levites in Q-1 as you said and we await you for further clarification. You yourself JUST AGREED here as I highlighted above in RED that, Today, God is not restricted to just the levites of the time of the law because we are no more under the law but under grace. Then it makes sense to say, you know within you that tithe is according to law and not according to grace. It also mean you agree that, anyone doing the work of God, teaching God's word should receive tithe which does not mean the temple(church) but the people. Like I said, you can give Kunle or me your tithe because am also teaching God's word,lol .

You said Kunle is holding to the law. I don't think this statement is true. I think you (Image123) are the very one keeping to law, "only" in the area of tithing though, i suppose. You need to break from holding onto one aspect of the law and breaking the others. If the law as you just said that kunle holds on to Levi or no other, then why hold on to tithe that the Levi do not exist to receive. You are saying, if it has to be given, then it has to be given to the levites and since the Levites no more exist or God is no more restricted to Levi alone, then the tithe receiving by the Levi should not also be restricted, it should be to anyone as you just said. I think you are the one holding unto law here and you just agreed it's no more restricted to Levi alone. You may be contradicting yourself or maybe I should say, you have not made up your mind yet.

@ OP,

I will answer shortly. It's so simple!

@ Image123,

Quote from replying to Q.2

Image123: i don't know where you get 23% from. From my simple understanding, a tithe is a tenth. A tenth is 10%, where you intellectuals make a tenth to be 23% is beyond my understanding, and i'm not interested in knowing. i'm okay with what the Bible says. God made it so simple that the majority will understand it.

Well, I don't know how Kunle also got his 23% o. Maybe he should explain to us.

Image123: If you want to know though, the early christians may have given tithes, the Bible does not say that they did not. On the contrary, it is possible that they did, especially Jewish christians. The Jews were and are quite patriotic and heavily influenced by the law.

Bro Image123, this is a shocking statement from you sir. Due respect, you just told us that THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT THE EARLY CHRISTIANS DID TITHE and you also made a contradictory statement that IT IS POSSIBLE THEY DID, BUT YOU JUST SAID THE BIBLE DIDN'T "SAY" THAT THEY DID NOT. How then did you come to your contradictory statement that it is possible they did. You went on to say, "ESPECIALLY THE JEWISH CHRISTIANS". At this point, I suppose you know better even as i have read many of your post and being your friend here for some time. You know that "in Christ" there is neither Jews or Gentiles". You know that "he" is NOT a Jew who is a Jew outside but one who is inside, through Christ. This your idea of "especially Jewish Christian" is trying to go in line with the jewish practice in christianity which Paul condemned. On the other hand, ARE YOU A JEW by yourself in the natural? Am sure your answer is NO. Then why are you taking side with Jewish Christian even "if" they did tithe in the early christians?.

You also said the Jews were heavily influenced by the LAW. You know what? YOU ARE VERY CORRECT AND 100% RIGHT WITH THESE STATEMENT. The problem with these statement however is, "heavily influenced by the law" that WE ARE NO MORE UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES BUT UNDER THE LAW OF CHRIST. The Jews wanted to continue with the law of Moses and continue to influence it on the early Christians but Paul corrected this aspect. This is very simple, if the jews want to continue the law of Moses, I will prove that they will be segregating the scriptures, breaking some and thinking they are fulfilling the others. The bible says, to break one law is to break all. I will say to these Jews that they should continue their purification, continue tithing, stone adulterer to death, kill rebellious kids etc. It's fine if they do all of these because all is in the law of Moses. There will be scripture segregation when they/you/tithe teachers pick out only tithe and say it continues-this is NOT "rightly dividing" the word of truth.

Image123: There are biblical records of early christians who practised circumcision and preached it as a way of salvation. the epistles majorly corrected things that needed correction. Nobody 'çorrected' anybody saying don't give. Giving of all kinds is encouraged by God and His servants, and tithe is a type of giving. God is never, never, and NEVER going to punish anyone for giving tithes. No apostle or early christian ever spoke evil, or in bad light about tithing, or even the OT in general. Instead they regarded and respected the OT. Paul usually used it as defence for NT doctrines. ''As also saith the law'' brought weight and credence.

Let me ask you a question here. Do you yourself preach and practice circumcision "as a way of salvation"? Since the Epistle corrected these things, why are you using it as a defense for tithing? You see, the Jews are the ones that wanted to mess up christianity by imposing the laws of Moses that was done away with on the early christians. Yes, tithing is a way of giving BUT as long as it is done according to the law, then it is not of grace. It is very true that NONE of the Apostles spoke evil of tithing but they didn't preach it either and neither did any of the Apostles threatened with Malachi curse like we see MOG do today. Giving is good for ALL Christians to do but you can be doing a good thing in a wrong way. It won't bring blessings. What we see clearly from the Apostle's teaching is sacrificial giving, free will giving, supporting the ministers of God in giving etc.

The point i "think" you (Image123) is still not getting is, IF IT HAS TO BE TITHING BY LAW, THEN IT HAS TO BE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCES AND NOTHING MORE. This is biblical tithing. We are now to give because we don't all do agricultural business. So since we don't all do agro-business, then we must still give, tithe was taken away to allow money means of giving. If you can get this revelation and truth, you will appreciate it. They used to tithe agro products then which is the acceptable kind of tithe. Now that you yourself don't do agro business AND IT IS COMPULSORY YOU GIVE,HOW DO YOU DO THAT? Use your money, that is not based on a certain percentage anymore because the one that is based on percentage is not what you into as occupation. As you use your money, you are no more tithing but giving and NOT giving this money based on the law of tithing (law of percentage) because you cannot achieve tithing with money except you add certain percentage as commanded by God.

I hope you spot some truth here. I will proceed to the next question.

Good morning everyone,

I will like to go to continue to in my rebuttal to bro Image123. I "guess" he will respond back after am done. Thank you.

@ yommy2sure,

You call this debate but we call it teaching. It's all about perspective. Do you know that even Jesus had four perspective in the natural when he was living on earth? That's why we have four gospel writers, showing us all the 4 aspects of Jesus,lol. Am laughing but not a joke anyway, it's the truth.

Matthew presented Jesus as King and the Messiah that was promised
Mark present Jesus as the servant
Luke presented Jesus as the son of man that saved man-kind from their sins
John presented Jesus as the word with God from the beginning.

Now you see, we are the most blessed generation as believers because all these dimensions are given to us.

@ Image123 and others,

Come, let us reason together.....saith the Lord and Goshen360.

Image123: i want to state that it's not my joy or aim to go into endless discussion on tithe. Tithe does not take anyone into Heaven, neither does it disqualify anyone from Heaven. Due to requests from others apart from kunle is the reason why i've decided to reply to the OP. And please, each should prayerfully go and learn more on the issue of tithes instead of spreading and supporting anything and everything anti-tithe.

First, you are NOT going into endless discussion on tithe. It is our duty to teach God's truth as much as we know and nothing but the truth. Hence, we are here to teach ourselves and to learn from ourselves,okay.

You just said a fundamental truth which i first referred to in one of my comments to you. Just like you said, TITHE DOES NOT TAKE ANYONE TO HEAVEN NEITHER DOES IT DISQUALIFY ANYONE FROM HEAVEN. This is a bible truth you have said. Unfortunately, these tithe preachers don't see it the way you said it. They force it on people and even emphasis curse in Malachi upon the people. They make it look like it is the SURE way that God blesses people. Abraham, we know was rich in material things before he gave tithe of the "spoil" to Melchizedek. These tithe teachers go any length to use all sort of unscriptural ways to fleece God's people. Should they see it the way you have said, I don't think there will be problem.

Image123: Jesus said so, didn't He? His words are dearer and more authoritative to me than a thousand and one excellent antitithe arguments. He never argued against tithes, i follow Him. Ask questions if you want, but do not hang them where they do not belong. BTW, Matthew 23:23/Luke 11:42 is not the foundation of tithing. It only comes up when deceivers force people not to tithe, by saying its nowhere in the NT.

Now, we might have some issues due to how we interpret Matt 23:23/Luke 11:42. I will raise my point against these two verses and we can look at it together. I don't think Jesus supports tithe here even though it was still in practice then, and I will state reasons why I don't believe Jesus was supporting tithe here.

1. As we all know, Jesus was born under the law and lived the law otherwise he would break the same law he came to fulfill. Let's look at the point I want to raise against Matt 23:23/Luke 11:42 below:

2. In context of Matt 23:1-3. "Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, [that] observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do". nkjv

Looking at the line of language used here. Jesus acknowledged the scribes and the Pharisees who sit in Moses' seat. Meaning Jesus acknowledged the authorities here so He was telling His disciples and multitudes obey authorities but don't do according to their works, one of which their works is tithing which we see in verse 23.

3. If Jesus was supporting tithe in Matt 23:23, then since he himself was born under the law, lived the law and fulfilled the law, then Jesus himself must have paid tithe but he never did. Also, If Jesus was in support of tithe here, he would have taught his disciples tithe even as he taught them to tax to the authorities then and Jesus himself did paid tax. Tax is different from tithe as we all know.

4. The people in context here that tithe are neither Jesus nor His disciples but Pharisees and scribes. Our example is Christ and not scribes/pharisees and the content of tithe here is NOT money but mint, anise and cummin.

5. This is what I believe Jesus was saying in Matt 23:23. Let me illustrate it in a plain language. It's like rebuking someone that is eating food but not drinking water which he/she should do. So if am rebuking such person, i can say to the person, "mumu, why do you eat without drinking water? you should have drank water without leaving the food uneaten" . Since they were still under law then and tithe is still being practiced, off course it calls for such statement from Jesus that, "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone".

Image123: Christians are not Judaists. Let me briefly re-state that there are different tithes in the OT commands. i don't know if there are just 3 but permit me to give/explain 3 types that i know almost offhand.
a) The tithe given to Levites working in Jerusalem temple. This is the general one that most people know of today. This tithe was for the TEMPLE WORKERS and their families.
Num 18:23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.
Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

This kind of first tithe you mentioned with emphasis that it was meant for the Levites, TEMPLE WORKERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. If I also quote you in one of your reply, you said the Levites are the people who taught God's way right? Let me quote you below,

Image123: What is levitical tithes? If you speak of tithes given to Levites, there are different Levites. there were those who work full time in Jerusalem according to courses/timetable. There were those who didn't. Levi was a tribe, and not all of them can work in the temple. there was tithe taken to Jerusalem and put in treasuries. there was also tithes shared WITHIN your gates. i've explained this in reply to question one. Who are the Levites today? What sort of question is that? The Levites were set apart for God's service, to teach others God's ways in the various locations across Israel and to serve in the temple. They had no work, and that's a major reason why God gave them the tithe of Israel.

And remember, when i say Levites, i'm referring to the whole tribe of Levi which includes the priests, the porters, the Levites, the singers etc. Anyone today that is set apart for God's work is fulfilling the same duty. It's no more restricted to a particular tribe or nation. there was a time when God wanted to use the firstborn sons of Israel for this, then latter He used the Levites. Now/Today, it's anyone. It does not have to be the house of Aaron or of Gershon. The same functions still apply, and the house of God still need to be taken care of. You see, god is greater than your ilk. You still want to keep us under the law where it's Levi or no other. But we are not under the law but under grace. It is grace and the cross that has put away the vail, and we do not all have to go to Jerusalem to worship God, but can now worship Him in Spirit and in TRUTH.

So you admitted that Levites today are ANYONE who does the work of God. If we apply this your definition of Levites today, then it means, you can give me your tithe and I can give you mine and well as I can give Kunle or anyone my tithe or you can also give Kunle your tithe and NOT church as we see today.

Again, If we put your word in use on the definition of Levites in the bible, Jesus and the Apostles did the work of God, teaching people God's way BUT they never received tithes.

Also, it also means, our singers, Ushers, deacons, deaconess, writers of God's word and the likes should all recieve tithes.

But biblically, the levitical priesthood had been abolished and hence the tithe systems is also abolished with it. The Levitical priesthood can't be abolished and tithe remains. We are kings and priest unto our God now. The priest stood before God and men to make intercession in OT but when Christ died, all believers are priest, no one is to stand between us and God anymore except Christ our High Priest. Also, since the Levites serve the Priest in the OT, they will mean the workers which you yourself also mentioned above, you said TEMPLE WORKERS. They will mean church workers today. Today, there is no more temple as believers are not the temple themselves. If we put your meaning of Levites into use again, as TEMPLE WORKERS, it means it is these church workers that are suppose to receive tithe and it MUST STILL NOT BE MONEY, IT MUST BE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS as stipulated in the bible.

Image123: b) The tithes eaten by the tithe giver, with the poor and levites IN the Jerusalem. 'IN' is the operative word here.

Second tithe. You will agree with me and every Christians that tithe teachers DON'T TELL THE TITHERS TO EAT THIS KIND OF TITHE WITH THE POOR NEITHER DO THE TITHE TEACHERS TELL TITHERS TO GO OBSERVE THIS 2ND TITHE "IN" JERUSALEM as you mentioned. You also mentioned it has to be "IN" Jerusalem. You yourself mentioned somewhere that, Jesus said we will no more worship in Jerusalem. So how do people tithe payers eat these type of tithe with the poor "IN" Jerusalem? This is NOT possible my brother. You may also wish to explain more on this aspect as it does not tally with what the tithe teachers teach today. Let me ask you a question here, HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN YOUR NON MONETARY TITHE TO JERUSALEM YOURSELF TO EAT WITH THE POOR?

Image123: c) The tithe eaten within the house of the tithe giver, with the poor neighbours, levite neighbours etc. This one was not yearly but every three years.
The above is clear and simple to anyone who wants to sincerely and honestly learn. Incase any missed it and needs more clarification, let me use an example. Suppose i receive 20000 every year, a tenth should be 2000. I set apart the first tithe 2000 for the temple workers, another 2000 to be used by me to have fun with my family and poor friends, servants and levites. Every third year, i add another 2000 (making 6000 in the tithe year). this third tithe i make sure i give 2000 to levites, widows, orphans, underprivileged ones, strangers around me. These are all like a school master. they didn't save them, giving doesn't save any body. It's not an issue of salvation. It was done to teach giving. It's like, for instance, teaching a child addition. Some use counters, some fingers and toes, but it's not forever. It's towards a goal/ And when the goal is reached, we're not under the law to continue using fingers and toes. But we give. It's not just enough to love God and ourselves. But love others, your neighbours and the poor around. It's ceremonial, the 1st century christians were not obliged to go to the temple or what not, or to offer heave or burnt offerings. But they continued to give, even to their spiritual leaders.

Third tithe. Must also be eaten "within" the house of the tithe giver WITH THE POOR NEIGHBOURS AND LEVITES NEIGHBOURS ETC. Can you honestly say that tithes teachers ALL across the world do teach people to observe this kind of tithe? All they ever say is bring to the storehouse. They hide the 2nd and 3rd kind of tithe from people and don't tell them the completer truth, they only tell people the first kind of tithe because that is the one that favours them and like you said, that is the one that many people know, because that is the one they only teach. Again, this 3rd tithe is NOT yearly, it's once in 3 years. Do tithe teachers ever give tithe payers break? These is all fraudulent system as long as tithe teachers are hiding the completer truth from God's people.

Again, you said tithing is to a school master to teach us giving. GREAT POINT. If a school master brought us to grace, why do we still need this school master since it had already done the will of God, bringing us to grace. why do we still hold on to the school master? If the school master is to teach us giving, then now that we know us to give, then we should stay on giving and not giving according to stipulated %, as long as we still keep stipulating a certain % to our giving, then it according to law and works of the law. The law didn't save us but grace did, it applies to all, not only in giving. If i used counters to learn addition and now am in university, you just mentioned that counters will not be needed anymore. I hope you just accepted the fact that, tithe is not needed anymore since we already know how to give by our "proposing in the heart" 2 Corinthians 9:7. Those thing were shadows. The substance is here so the shadow is done away with.

Let us treat this number one question also first so we don't get things too complicated. This is my response to your first comment. Let's open the discussion to others that may also want to contribute and you may also contribute for correction purpose.

Goshen360: In fact, the title of this thread should be: Should the Priesthood of Melchizedek be used to support tithing or a better Priesthood? Just a suggestion. That was what I had in mind. [size=15pt]Am not imposing anyway, I'm just saying.lol[/size]

Maybe you didn't see the highlighted well though but thank you that am forgiven.

bin gbagbo: i lost mmy temper cas u wanna re-title my tread!

? i 4give u though.

Thank you and God bless you.

BROS, wetin i do you naw?

I don answer your kweshion. if your findings is different from what i said, then let it out and let others learn,okay,lol

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]I don't know what all that mumbo jumbo you guys are talking about is. . .alls [size=15pt]I know is Thunder is a reflection of God's anger and Rain is the tears He sheds for our waywardness.[/size] Like any good parent, it hurts him when we go on the wrong path.

To avoid rain and thunder, everybody be good!!

[size=4pt]Gosh, it is so easy to be a sheeple, you don't have to put much thought into anything. I see now why many people are comfortable with the status quo. [/size][/quote]PLEASE CAN YOU GIVE BIBLE VERSE FOR YOUR STATEMENT IN READ ABOVE? I FEEL LIKE LEARNING FROM THAT YOUR STATEMENT.THANK YOU.

rastamouse: The main point here is that you get filled with the SPIRIT from time to time.

VERY CORRECT AND 100% TRUE.

rastamouse: At those times, there is no falling, however when you are prayed for and the SPIRIT acts on you, you will fall. I will come up with more scriptures later to support that argument.

Highlighted in Red is strange. I will love to see scriptures to back it up.

Okay sir,

First, I haven't found in the scriptures where the Holy Spirit "came" upon a believer and he/she falls

Second, I haven't seen in the scriptures where a believer is "filled" with the Holy Spirit and he/she falls as we have seen that one of the fruit of the Spirit is Self Control, meaning, you can control yourself at the level of Holy Spirit "in" or "upon" you.

Third, symbols of Holy Spirit IS NOT Holy Spirit. Should symbols of Holy Spirit be Holy Spirit itself, then Jesus will also be a Lamb on four legs.....lol. Also, if symbols is Holy Spirit, then the Apostles should all be on the floor on the day of Pentecost burning and screaming from the burning fire.

Four, Apart from reverence to the glory or presence of God that makes ones jump, bow in reference etc, what i see in scriptures is demon manifesting through a possessed person and throwing such person on the ground, these would usually not be believers.

This is the purpose of this thread, the Holy Spirit when "filled" in us (as it cannot come upon us anymore) should not bring us down but upright and even at the Holy Spirit being filled in us, we have control over our self as fruit of the Holy Spirit is Self-Control. We need to know what's going on in the realm of the Spirit today in the body of Christ so as not to misplace the substance for the shadow. Also, we need to question the source of somethings in the body of Christ and know where it all comes from, slain in the spirit is one of them.

Let's see what you've got also sir.

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Okay, can we see where the Holy Spirit made people fall in the bible? Can you share it with us, where Holy Spirit came upon people and they fall? At least so we can both learn together.

@ rastamouse,

Now let's look at it together, if we can separate truth from errors in your statement. Can you stay on board sir?

rastamouse: Goshen you have a point there but the HOLY SPIRIT cannot be fully understood.

First, this statement is half truth. I said half truth because, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is ALL revealed in the word of God. To understand the word is to understand the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will NEVER go against the word especially when it authored the word.

rastamouse: Relationship with the HOLY SPIRIT is personal and HE deals with each individual personally. With that said, the HOLY SPIRIT may choose different ways to manifest HIMSELF to different people. A classic example is me and my wife. My wife has got the HOLY SPIRIT and she starts preaching to whoever is available when the HOLY SPIRIT falls on her. When the same experience come on me, I start praising the LORD in a way that I can never do without the SPIRIT.

A clear example of how the Holy Spirit stir people in line with the word of God, just as am saying. Yes the relationship with Holy Spirit is personal but it does contradict the word and when it manifest, it won't contradict the word also.

@ rastamouse,

When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and [one] sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4 nkjv

Question to you
Is the Holy Spirit Fire?
After "as of fire" sat upon each of them that made them "filled" with the Holy Spirit, Did they fall or stagger?

Galatians 5:22-23 mentioned the fruits of the Spirit. Doing a word study on each, I had to purse and ask myself a question about shadow of things the charismatic are presenting to the body of Christ today. I found Self-Control very interesting yet I see people fall in churches/T.V with catchers standing behind to catch them. If a believer is said to have the Holy Spirit, does he/she still have to stagger and fall under these so called charismatic slain in the spirit?

afam4eva: The country is full of criminals. Even those that are supposed to be catching criminals are criminals themselves. So, the questions is, who will catch the criminals that are catching the criminals that are being caught by criminals. Make we talk true, this nation will need miracle.

frosbel: sure, I made a slight amendment.

But these days are getting desperate, Jesus is on his way, the time for arguing with atheists and those who poke fun at the gospel is over. We need to reach out to those who really want to know the Lord , to the widows, orphans and the false religions. God is doing a mighty but most painful work in his church today, all the terrorist attacks are a warning sign. May he protect and deliver us from evil.

I can't but agree. These statements of yours are very correct and true.

I listened to the message but....smh.lol

...@ background image but very TRUE article. Bro frosbel, you go receive yawa with this article o,lol

@ Image123,

First, I'll to thank you for the questions answered.

Second, maybe you should answer Kunle's questions in post #48 and Jem1's question in post #49, then we can then start to look at each of your response to question 1-10 that I observed you said some truth but mixed with errors. We will examine each question/answers one after the other so as to concentrate. I will appreciate it.

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Well, you have made some fundamental statement that are true and scriptural. I hope all these MOG collecting tithes will talk like you have spoken today. Everything will be fine but they have presented these tithe teachings as falsehood and the way the teach tithe, it's like by force by fire. I will come to that maybe when i wake, that is if Kunle had not bombarded you before I wake up.

Secondly, the truth you presently in all your answers are mixed with errors in some places. You see my brother, I have come to a conclusion where I learnt not to condemn what somebody teach or preaches BECAUSE WE KNOW IN PART AND MOST THINGS WE CLAIM TO KNOW ARE SOMETIMES HALF TRUTH OR TRUTH MIXED WITH ERRORS EXCEPT FOR THE FUNDAMENTALS OR ELEMENTARY OF OUR FAITH. I will explain more later.

You can finish all your replies and let's look at it together, that is if Kunle had not bombarded you like I said,lol

Bros Image123,

If you look below the page, you go see say I never sleep here. I dey view and enjoy all your replies but maybe na when I wake we go chat our course. I want make you finish all the kweshions as much as you want to answer, maybe you want to answer all though. Thanks you.

You are welcome sir. I guess you are new here anyway. However, you can report to the Moderators in the complain thread and they will move it to the Islamic session for you. It's no beef at all. Just for us to be more organized. Thanks

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Logic Mind is RIGHT. This post ought to be in Islamic Section sir. Thank you.

Blackteeth: I enjoy slapping their dumb reasoning.

....Kweshions.....THE U.S...... Smh

Bros, abeg leave these Atheists alone please I beg of you. Leave them to believe whatever they want to believe please. God bless you.

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Well, am sorry if i sound too tough on you anyway. I just felt the poster should be consoled first, if anything, okay. And if you are not an adult yet, it's time to become one, even as we speak. Like i said, I had also lost 3 of my sisters in one day. My mother almost went mad. I don't wanna remember that anymore. Anyway, life is mysterious sometimes. Take am easy o.

@ butterflyy,

Am still epecting you to email me so i can give you a call,okay. goshen360@yahoo.co.uk, send me your mobile contact when you email me. Thank you and God bless you.

@ ea7,

I believe you are an adult right. This is not the time to do all this rubbish please. The poster is in pain. You can't even console him and all you can is start some silly distraction. What is wrong with you? Do you have heart at all? This your action is unfair. Please leave us alone. As you can see, this thread is not to come and debate what you believe or what you don't believe. Someone is going through pains right now and needs to be consoled. smh