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Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 7:06pm On Apr 13, 2012
@ buzugee,

Oga buzugee, how una dey naw. These Atheists na wha for them o. But we love them sha. Make dem no just dey rubbish our God. Na there me get beef with them sha, nothing more. lol grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 7:03pm On Apr 13, 2012
Pastor Kun: Do you seriously expect them to come out and answer these questions? These questions are too hot and they know that any attempt at answering them would expose them for the hypocrites they are. My bet is that all pro tithe preachers would simply ignore this thread less they be made to look fullish.
Don't jump to conclusion bro. Let's wait for them. Am counting on them to answer these kweshions. And hopefully, if they fail to answer now, anytime we have tithe discussion again, we will re-post these kweshions to them,lol grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 6:58pm On Apr 13, 2012
logicboy: Shadow ke? My shadow is not my type...my shadow varies depending on my hieght and whether I am standing or crouching grin grin
On a serious not, when did God become a vampire that needs blood? And even so, why would God sacrifice himself (Jesus) when he cannot die? It's like taking a poison and an antidote- no effect
I don't know the kind of teachings you have heard about Jesus being God. God is not man. You as a man is the one limited by space and time. God is not like that. However, Christ is different from God, the Almighty, the Father. Okay. Christ is the son of God, who happens to also be God but lower to the God, the father.

The sacrifice of Abel is a picture of the real thing God was about doing in times to come,okay. When i mentioned your shadow, i mean your shadow is a type of you but not real you. Does this mean that if i see your shadow in the ground and pieced a knife into that shadow, does that mean you as a person will die? Definitely No. The NT was concealed in the OT while the OT revealed the NT. I hope you understand.
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 6:49pm On Apr 13, 2012
logicboy: -Where is your imagination and conscience located? I am not a scientist but I will say that [s]your imagination and conscience are controlled by your brain.[/s] Imagine or think too much and you get a headache [size=15pt]X[/size]

-What is it that makes a bird fly and you as a man cannot fly and yet you are greater than a bird? Biology? They have wings? BTW I can fly on aeroplanes grin [size=15pt]X[/size]

-You as an Atheist, Do you believe in the Invisible and Visible? Yes, sound is invisible to my naked eye.[s][/s] However, I dont believe in spirits
[size=15pt]X[/size]

YOU SEE YOUR SCORES?

besides, le'me wait for them your boss,lol grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 6:45pm On Apr 13, 2012
logicboy: What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight

Then why did God accept Abel's finest sheep and reject Cains average crops?
That's why we are told not to argue with you. Because you don't even know the bible. Rather, you should ask for answers instead of rubbish God. I don't have problem with you if you don't believe in God but don't just rubbish our God that we believe in, okay.

God accepting Abel's sacrifice is a type and shadow of God accepting the sacrifice of His son Jesus, just like your own shadow is your type. God declares the end from the beginning. At this beginning, in Genesis, God was showing a picture of what is to come. If you ask kweshion, we will honour your kweshion honourably and you don't expect us to honour you when you rubbish our God. Okay.
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 6:38pm On Apr 13, 2012
harakiri: Why don't you drop these "few" mysterious questions of yours and quit beating about the bush. It's boring.

And YES! He is right. The bible is nothing but total absolute RUBBISH! ! ! And you CAN'T prove otherwise coz you don't know any better than all you have been spoon fed with from childhood. Period!
Here are few amongst many, to start with:

Where is your imagination and conscience located?
What is it that makes a bird fly and you as a man cannot fly and yet you are greater than a bird?
Why cant you fly like a bird?
You as an Atheist, Do you believe in the Invisible and Visible?

Start from there, I will assess your level of Atheism and give you more. Waiting.
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 6:21pm On Apr 13, 2012
logicboy: [size=15pt]There are many questions that I can not answer. Nice try.[/size]
LOL. I THOUGHT YOUR INTELLECT CAN EXPLAIN EVERYTHING, grin grin grin grin grin in Spanish,lol

logicboy: What I can say with 100% certainty is that the bible is rubbish
You are a young Atheist, I suppose. I have asked these few questions and none seems to be able to answer. You say bible is rubbish? I don't wanna engage you in unfruitful argument but you can say this with 100% certainty BUT CANNOT ANSWER JUST FEW OF MY QUESTIONS WITH 100% CERTAINTY. Rubbbbbbissssshhhhhhhhh.
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 6:10pm On Apr 13, 2012
^^^
Sharraaap there,lol grin grin grin. I believe in God and all i said in my latter post was, when you don't believe in God, don't blame our God for everything that happens and don't say because evil happened, God was not powerful or exist. I can ask you a kweshion that Atheist had not being able to answer, if you can answer, i will convert to Atheist, ok
Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m):
We await our Christian brothers and sisters (don't wanna mention names/names withheld) that teaches tithe to come out and honestly give answers to these kweshions OR ........
Christianity EtcRe: Stop Arguing With Atheists by Goshen360(m): 5:58pm On Apr 13, 2012
Sweetlemon: Fellow christian brothers and sisters. I have noticed the way people try to argue with atheists when they are in they start their debates. I advice that we should learn not to argue with them, if you want to say anything at all, it should only be brief and only when it is necessary. These people are so hardened that it is only God himself that can reveal himself to them so don't bother wasting your time! (Funny enough, it is such people God delights in manifesting himself to) just pray for such people whenever you encounter them.
cheers!
God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 3:08pm On Apr 13, 2012
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Thanks JeSoul. I will give it a shot.
PoliticsRe: Friendly Caricatures Of Nairalanders by Goshen360(m):
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin @ OP, You started my day with so much laughter, can't stop laughing. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin. Bookmarked,lol
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 1:35pm On Apr 13, 2012
@ Ayomivic,

The reason you CANNOT "Like" is that, those three items, Report Post, Quote Post and modify post" CHANGES depending on the owner's account here. For instance, you CANNOT "like" your OWN post, IT'S OTHER READERS THAT CAN SOLELY LIKE YOUR POST OR COMMENT, that's why you wont see "like" in your post/comments.

To "Modify" simple means to makes changes to. For Instance, you start a thread with a topic and submit it. After reading the thread/post again, you realized some typo errors and also, maybe you want to re-phrase the title, then your option is to "Modify". Hit the "Modify" button and it will return you to the original state of you post/thread, and allow you to make whatever changes, even to the title. However, if someone already "Quote" your post, your original post/comments will appear on the comments of whoever quote you but your modification will still be effective.

I hope this helps. If not, JeSoul or manmustwac will give more explanations. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 3:27am On Apr 13, 2012
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I got answers to the above kweshion by myself. Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 3:23am On Apr 13, 2012
@ Moderators,

I'll like to ask, is it possible to edit my username? If possible, how do I go about it. Just want my new username to start with upper case "G" unlike lowercase "g" but same username.

Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Does This Make Me A Carnal Christian? by Goshen360(m): 10:56pm On Apr 11, 2012
musKeeto: spent about an hour reading this thread... and I have an exam tomorrow...
Just wonder if anyone here still agrees with his/her arguments made 2 years ago? Or any revisions?
Good luck in your exam bro. The Lord is your strength. It is well for you in Jesus' name. (Amen)
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 10:48pm On Apr 11, 2012
Ok. Thanks for the fellowship anyway. Maybe we will get to strengthen our talk on tithe next time as we keep studying but right now, i have other things i really have to put my strength to study. Simply accept my excuse for now. I might also stay a little away from NL for some time except for talking to you here in answering this question am asking. Ok.

Now to the question, I once mentioned to you I was gonna order some study materials, which I did and while am studying on some pressing topics, i had to cross reference Genesis 1:1-2. I was able to dig deep into Genesis 1:1 about numbers of heaven[b]s[/b] that was created. I also realized that Genesis 1:1 is NOT the very beginning but the account of the beginning of creations of the universe cf: John 1:1.

Now to Genesis 1:2,

The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

I was also able to dig deep where the darkness came from in verse 2 here that God created the earth formless, dark and void cf Job 38:4-9, emphasis on 9. Now the question is, John 4:24 says, "God [is] Spirit". If God is Spirit and Genesis 1:2 says, the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Does this mean that Spirit, which God is as per John 4:24 still have Spirit?

Let me re-frame Genesis 1:2 this way for better clarification to you to answer,

The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Spirit God was hovering over the face of the waters.

That is kweshion one.

Kweshion 2, which waters is it talking about at the end of the verse 2 since we were not told any water was created between verse 1 and 2. So which waters is talking about at the end of verse 2. While you prepare to answer both, am still digging bro.

Await your response. Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 8:56pm On Apr 11, 2012
@ Snowwy,

I didn't keep quiet deliberately but come to conclusion that, it seems that you too are bent on your own interpretation when when it is clear that verse 12 says as the priesthood changed, the laws too changed. So I decided to just rest on this issue. You have made some statements that seems to me as if you are bent on what you believe about tithe and not ready to accept another view. I have tithed many times in the past, as i come to know more as you also know, i don't believe in tithe anymore. Not because i don't want to give but we CANNOT FULFILL BIBLICAL TITHING. Meaning, they are crops and animals and if we have to convert to money, then we must add 20% to make it tithable. So I have come to conclusion to just give and remove the law of "certain" percentage attached to tithing and just give from my heart, sacrificially, generously, cheerfully and as the Lord lays in my heart. This is my conclusion.

Heb 7:18 explains itself of the annulment of the old commandment, the law. So, you believe in tithing, keep doing it. I don't believe in tithing anymore but giving, i will keep doing it. None of us is God going to put in hell for not tithing or giving but we do what we do by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. When a discussion comes, of which i try to stay off tithe topics this days on NL, i will still say what i know and understand and you can also say your understanding. I drop my teaching on tithe i was going to do and as you said, just allow everyone to go on his or her conviction, however, when any discussion arise on tithing here on NL, then i will contribute wisely. YOU MAKE ONE OF THE BEST PEOPLE I EVER MET HERE ON NL AND I AM GRATEFUL TO GOD FOR BRING PEOPLE LIKE YOU MY WAY. God bless you.

Again, am doing a study and trying to find an answer to a certain kweshion from my bible study. I don't know if you have knowledge about it or can answer it. If you are interested, I can ask you. Just wanna know first before i ask you. It's like the kweshion is a bit hard anyway. lol.

Waiting on you sir.
Christianity EtcWhere Was God? - To The Atheists And Critics Of Almighty God. by Goshen360(op): 2:21pm On Apr 11, 2012
Often times, we hear the Atheists and Critics of God questioning the existence, power, protection, and ability of God Almighty to revert negative events whenever anything evil happens to them, their loved ones or in our/a society/country.

God created man to take charge of earth which he had created and have dominion here on earth. Man had simply forgotten the natural law that the universe/earth operates on, the law of sowing and reaping. When man falls into a negative outcome of event that does not seems to be favourable to him, he tends to blame God, questions the ability, power and existence of God, forgetting he also had a role to play in destiny or whatever goes right or wrong. Atheists and critics tend to ask, where God was when bad things happen to good people around us.

I tell you where God was,

The same place God was when you lied in the past, your conscience bearing you witness and God did nothing about it.

The same place God was when you cheated in one way or the other but God was quiet about it and allowed you get away with it.

Where was God? The same place God was when you stole from your employer at a given time but God did nothing about it.

Where was God? The same place God was when the government refused to take responsibilities for her citizens.

Where was God? The same place God was when men voted the leaders of their choice and even the ballot boxes being manipulated.

Where was God? The same place God was when a person sees a sign of danger ahead, speeds into a dangerous corner and eventually ends up in an accident.

Where was God? The same place God was you committed adultery/fornication and God allowed you to God away with it.

Men always want to blame God for everything without taking responsibilities for himself when things/event doesn’t favour him. This may be tough but God had spoken, man is simply not listening. Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap. Seed time and harvest time shall never cease as long as the earth remains.
Christianity EtcRe: Give To The Gospel Or To The Poor? by Goshen360(m): 7:17pm On Apr 10, 2012
@ Image123 and Pastor Kun,

Una don start dey fight abi? Make una stop NOW b4 i give two of una knock for head, lol grin grin grin

Simply kweshion, simple answer. Support that gospel and also give to the poor. Very simple as John 3:16 or Gen 1:1. Am sure all of una can quote that as easy as anything.

Shalom!
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 7:04pm On Apr 10, 2012
@ Snowwy,

Background Study to Hebrews chapter 7

This chapter is not primarily a discussion of tithing yet, it draws heavily from Numbers 18, which is the ordinance establishing the priesthood and tithing. It contrasts the mortal Aaronic priesthood, which was partially sustained by tithing principles, with Christ’s Melchizedek priesthood, which is eternal and is sustained by grace principles of the unlimited eternal power of God.

The Root of the Problem in Jerusalem

As a historical fact, most Jewish Christians in Jerusalem never did abandon the Mosaic Law; they later established their own Christian sect, and rejected Paul as a heretic. The full impact of the meaning and shift of the gospel away from the Mosaic Law NEVER did come to many Jewish Christians. Acts 21:17-26 is crucial to understand for the context of Hebrews. Concerning tithing, almost 40 years after Calvary, there is no legitimate reason to believe that Jewish Christians had ever ceased paying tithes TO THEIR TEMPLE SYSTEM. In fact, history records that these Jewish Christians continued to observe the law’s holy days, feasts, rituals and continued to honor the high priest. Galatians 4:10 reveals what they had taught that church. Therefore, it is also logical to assume that they, as obedient Jews, also felt obligated to keep on paying tithes, to the Levitical system.

The Problem the Letter tends to Solve

It was essential for the writer of Hebrews to convince the church in Jerusalem that their current earthly city of Jerusalem with its temple, high priesthood, sacrifices and support structure were no longer a necessary part of God’s plan for the church. They must immediately break away from their immature faith in, and mistaken dependence upon, the city of Jerusalem, the temple and the high priesthood. Otherwise, when all of these soon disappeared, within a few years at most, their spiritual lives would suffer severe devastation.

In order to break this connection, the Jewish Christians must stop going to the temple for festivals, vows and sacrifices. They must also immediately stop accepting the Levitical high priesthood as legitimate and stop paying tithes to support the system. The careful wording of the letter of Hebrews was necessary because of the inaccurate theology of the Jewish Christians. Again, since they still accepted the legitimacy of the Jewish temple and priesthood, they must have also continued to pay their law-commanded tithes to it. Thus tithing plays an important part in the dismantling of the Jewish priesthood in Hebrews chapter 7, hence it was mentioned in the letter of the writer.

Christ’s High-Priesthood and Believer’s Priesthood Solves the Problem

Jesus Christ is presented in the Letter to the Hebrews as the answer to all of their imminent problems. “In Christ” the believer has a better country, a better city, a better sanctuary, a better high priesthood, a better priesthood, better sacrifices and consequently, a better financial support system. The better country, city and
sanctuary is heavenly for the church and believers. The better high priest is Christ. The better priests are all believers (not pastor-teachers). The better sacrifices from believers are those of praise and thanksgiving. The better financial system is grace giving motivated by love instead of fear and law. Only by understanding these truths could the Jewish Christian survive the culture shock which occurred after A.D. 70. The Jewish Christians simply did not still understand that, the temple of God had changed from being a physical building to believers as the temple and hence, all laws/ordinances to the physical temple are no longer required.

Summary of Hebrew 7

I wanted to explain verse by verse but I thought of summarizing it because of what you said that I should be concise.

Melchizedek is a king and a Priest. In Israel, no king can be a priest at the same time but God used this mysterious king and priest to show us a type of Christ in the fulfillment that he was a king and also a priest, not that died in the case of Melchizedek but that lived forever. This is what Hebrews writer meant with the phrase, after the order of Melchizedek.

Melchizedek not having father, mother or genealogy doesn’t mean he is Christ for we know Christ is the seed of a woman and had genealogy. This is the fact that the genealogies of Melchizedek was omitted and not known. This is the reason why the priesthood of Christ was patterned after his priesthood, in such that Christ lived forever and that Christ became a high priest by oats.

We also see that the Levites though they were not yet born at the time of the event Melchizedek met Abraham but are in the loins of Abraham so indirectly they paid tithe to Melchizedek through Abraham. Notice here, it is the Levites who paid tithe in Abraham but we are kings and priests as believers. When Levites also paid tithes in Abraham, it means if the Abraham tithe is abolished or changed then the Levitical tithe is also changed or abolished.

“Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need [was there] that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

For [it is] evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood” v 11-14


“Therefore” begins drawing conclusions from the evidence presented in verses 4-10, which began with “now consider.” On the basis of the Levitical priesthood Israel “received the law,” that is, all of the Mosaic Law! Since this is a discussion of tithing, common sense teaches that “the law” must also include tithing. A compound Greek noun-verb here means that the law was “legislated” and “enacted” through the priests. After being initiated by God, the “legislated” law of tithing and other offerings provided for the very existence of the Levitical priesthood, and, in turn, the Levitical priesthood gave the whole law to Israel.

“Being changed” begins this Greek sentence for emphasis. The Greek word, me-ta-ti-the-me-nees, is a present passive participle. It is a metamorphosis, a transposition, a change from one to another (Strong’s 3346). As used in Scripture, it means a great change. The word describes Jacob’s bones moving from Egypt to Canaan (Acts 7:16), the Galatians’ apostasy from the gospel (Gal. 1:6), Enoch’s translation (Heb. 11:5) and apostates (Jude 4). The following verses make it clear that this great “change” in the priesthood was its total abolishment and replacement.

“A change also of the law.” The instant that Christ died, “the Levitical priesthood” was changed by being abolished. The veil in the temple was ripped open and the Passover lamb’s blood was replaced by Christ’s blood. The result changed the history of the world! The high priesthood of Aaron was replaced by the Melchizedek high priesthood of Jesus Christ and the regular priesthood of the other priests was replaced by the New Covenant doctrine of the “priesthood of all believers.” cf: See 1 Pet. 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6; 5:9.

Exactly what was “changed”? The law or ordinance, which had established the Levitical priesthood especially the primary law of tithing. Neither the change in the high priesthood nor the changes in the regular priesthood were taught in the Mosaic Law.

Conclusion, if the Levitical ordinances were done through Abraham at the time he met Melchizedek, and these same ordinances are CHANGED, how do we still keep these ordinances with respect to tithing alone? If we now have a high priest from the tribe of Judah, what is the need for tithing? Any change in the priesthood itself would make necessary changes in all the laws governing and supporting the priesthood, especially tithing. After the order of Melchizedek for Jesus is being a king and a priest that lived forever by the oath of God. Abraham paid tithes of spoils which is contrary to what the tithe preachers teach and he, Abraham also gave the rest to king of Sodom which keeping anything to himself.
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 5:32pm On Apr 10, 2012
Snowwy: Under the law, people had freewill offering they gave as well and even a number of scriptures in the OT quote so that 'the people gave freely and were very happy to give'. Therefore giving in the NT is not some new commanment that was not done already in the OT. Infact giving IN PROPORTION to how you have prospered doesn't mean give what you feel like. If the people in te OT gave so much, we under grace should give better. Therefore for people who say 'tithe' is a burden really mean they cannot actually give up to a tenth of how God has blessed them. That is the simple truth else they will not come up here to say tithe is a burden.
@ Snowwy, What do you mean by the highlighted statement sir? And besides, I disagree with you that NT believers should give much more than the OT. We have principles guiding our giving in the NT, now according to the law.
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 5:00pm On Apr 10, 2012
Snowwy: @goshen,
Please make your post as concise as you can especially as we have discussed at length on tithe already.
Besides note than the main scripture interpretation that is in contention is Heb.7:18 which you have claimed tells us the what is annulled there is tithe.
Thanks.
My explanation might be lengthy because you don't expect me to root a verse and just explain it. I have to deal with everything. Let me try quote where you said people who don't tithe are stingy if i can still get it.
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 3:50pm On Apr 10, 2012
I will explain Heb 7 verse by verse few minutes from now and post it thereafter.
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Stop Giving Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 3:36pm On Apr 10, 2012
Snowwy: @goshen360,
We still have things to complete o except you are no longer interested in telling me how Heb 7:18 annuls tithe and Matt23:23 commends mercy, faith etc and condemns tithe.
Hi Brother Snowwy,

Am sorry for the delay. Well, I have found out and come to conclude that since we have issues based on our interpretation, we keep saying the same as Image123 had pointed. This should be us as Christians. When I interpret scriptures using scriptures, you accused me of wanting to impose my "own" interpretation on others. But you forget that we are both sharing "our" knowledge. In that case, I don't so much enjoy too long argument especially when one party doesn't want to see from the perspective of the other party. Hence, I come to the conclusion, that, Okay, believe and practice what you know and understand because we "know" in parts but when the perfect comes, our knowing in parts shall be done away with.

Back to Matthew 23:23. As I have always said, context is the core heart of bible interpretation. Context means the whole before you can interpret a verse. When we take heart in pulling up just a verse and sit on the interpretation, it doesn't do us any good. I was taught this is my bible school as mentioned earlier.

Straight to point sir, when we read Matthew 23 from beginning and interpret verse 23 in the whole context, then it will be clear. Jesus already told HIS DISCIPLES AND THE MULTITUDES, which is the group we fall into NOT TO DO ACCORDING TO THE WORKS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, v1-3. Then Jesus went ahead casting many "woes" on them from verse 13 through 29. When we pick only this verse 23 and sit on it just because the word, tithe appeared therein and say, Jesus justified tithing, then we are not rightly dividing the word of truth.

Matt 23:23.
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier [matters] of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Jesus cast woe on them for tithing hypocritically, just like other woes. The Pharisees were hypocrites concerning tithing. Meaning, they tithed at the expense of mercy, justice and faith which are the "weightier matters" of the law, than tithing. Their hypocrisy "might" not have been "woe" should they as "teachers of the law" had exalted the weightier matters of the law than tithing. That was why the following statement came, "These (mercy, justice and faith) you ought to have done, without leaving the others (tithing of mint, anise and cummin) undone. I am yet to read a passage of the scriptures that says, tithe I (God) desires but I have read Mercy/justice have I (God) desires. I have not read by tithe, it is impossible to please God, but I have read without faith, it is impossible to please God. IT IS THE PHARISEES AND SCRIBES THAT TITHE IN THIS VERSE, NOT THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST NOR CHRIST HIMSELF.

Jesus was telling the scribes and Pharisees that judgment, mercy and faith” are more important “matters of the law” than was tithing. Why? Because judgment, mercy and faith are all moral principles and part of God’s eternal character while tithing was merely a ceremonial statute, or ordinance, of the Law which was of lesser importance (not as weighty). Jesus was born into the Jewish law, lived the law fulfilled the law. It is very clear he cannot condemn the law, even that of tithing at this time. The context of Matthew to John are still of the OT. One of the works of the Pharisee here is tithe, i submit to you that Jesus already told his disciples not to do according to their works.

“These you ought to have done, without leaving the other undone.” Again I have never heard of a church which required its members to bring tithes “of mint and anise and cumin” and demand that they “ought to have been done” so in obedience to Jesus’ command in Matthew 23:23. In context, the Pharisees “ought to have done
so” because, as interpreters of the Law, they were the ones who had exaggerated the Law to include counting small spice seeds (study meaning of mint, anise and cumin). If this verse is supposed to be interpreted as Jesus’ command for Christians to tithe money (which the text does not clearly state) then it should also be interpreted as Jesus’ command for the church to tithe garden spices according to the Law (which the text does clearly state). Yet approximately 1600 years after the tithe was first limited to only food products this verse still limits the tithe to food products in Jesus’ time. The Law had not changed (Lev. 27:30-34). Therefore, contrary to our contemporary re-defi nition, tithes could come from grains of wheat, but not from grains of gold!

I had something in mind to talk to you about but I kept forgetting about it. The other day, you mentioned that those of us who don't like to tithe are stingy and looking for a way not to give and yet we support giving. Well, I say that, that statement is not only false but it is also judgmental. It is not a place you go at all. You can judge people's action, that is after an action had being committed but not people's motive. I will only speak for myself here as I can only mention things I have done into the church of God even when I used to tithe and still give sacrificially. But now, I don't just believe in tithing anymore but I still give.
Christianity EtcThe Fear Of God Has Been Lost In The Church And Nations by Goshen360(op): 2:47am On Apr 10, 2012
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Did Not Die On A Friday by Goshen360(m): 11:44pm On Apr 09, 2012
buzugee: However lord says, come out of her my people REVELATION 18 VS 4 Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; SO IF YOU COME OUT OF HER MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, YOU SHOULDNT BE CELEBRATING HER HOLIDAYS LIKE EASTER AND HENCE YOU WOULDNT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOW 3 DAYS DONT FIT INTO 2 DAYS. THATS HER MADE UP TRADITION. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MESSIAH.
VERY CORRECT AND TRUE SIR. I CAN'T BUT AGREE. THANK YOU SIR. CHRISTIANS NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ALL THESE PAGAN FESTIVALS.

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Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Did Not Die On A Friday by Goshen360(m): 11:40pm On Apr 09, 2012
@ buzugee,

Why quoting me sir. I don't believe in Easter. Just telling the bros Procedure, how he can equate that Christ died on Friday, resurrected on Sunday to mean three days and three nights that Christ said he will be in the heart of the earth. Easter is falsehood if Friday is good Friday and resurrection on Sunday, and people call that three days and three nights.

From Lent, to Easter Friday and Sunday to Christmas and all ungodly festivals being celebrated. Whatever I don't find in the bible that is celebrated today is falsehood as far as am concerned.

Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Did Not Die On A Friday by Goshen360(m): 11:00pm On Apr 09, 2012
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You will need to argue with God that called "light" DAY and "darkness" NIGHT.

God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

You will also need to ask Jesus to clarify this,

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40 nkjv

Simply put this way, I will spend three day(lights) and three nights (darkness) in the heart of the earth. It's either you are proving Christ wrong to make yourself right or Christ is right. Christ didn't just say three days, if which, your logic would have been right but Christ said, THREE DAYS (LIGHT) AND THREE NIGHTS (DARKNESS) in the heart of the earth.

I guess this three days and three nights is the point you are still missing. Sir, HOW DOES HIS DEATH ON ANYTIME ON FRIDAY, RESURRECTION ON SUNDAY EQUATE THREE DAYS (LIGHT) AND THREE NIGHTS (DARKNESS)?
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Did Not Die On A Friday by Goshen360(m): 7:50pm On Apr 09, 2012
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God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5 nkjv.
Christianity EtcRe: First Fruit Offering Is Brainwashing! Tunde Bakare by Goshen360(m): 3:27pm On Apr 09, 2012
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lol. Bros Kun, how una dey? grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Did Not Die On A Friday by Goshen360(m): 2:25pm On Apr 09, 2012
What Really Happened from Burial to Resurrection: Christ's crucifixion took place on Wednesday

Christ’s crucifixion took place on Passover day, the 14th of Abib (or Nisan), the first month in God’s Sacred Calendar. This occurred in the year A.D. 31, in which Passover fell on a Wednesday. Many fail to consider the prophecy that the Messiah would be “cut off…in the midst of the week” (Dan. 9:26-27). Wednesday falls in the middle of the week—the very day upon which Passover fell in A.D. 31. According to the Roman calendar, this date was Wednesday, April 25.
Between the ninth and twelfth hours (3:00 - 6:00 p.m.), Christ died (Luke 23:44-46). With Governor Pilate’s permission, Joseph of Arimathaea procured the body, wrapped it in linen (John 19:40) and placed it in the sepulcher (Luke 23:50-53). By the time the burial was complete, the Sabbath “drew on” (vs. 54). Thus, the burial took place on Passover day, shortly before sunset.

That Passover was a preparation day, in that it preceded an annual Sabbath. This annual Sabbath (called the First Day of Unleavened Bread) was called a high Sabbath or “high day” (John 19:31) and fell on a Thursday that year. It was on this day that the high priest and the Pharisees came to Pilate to ensure that Christ’s tomb was securely guarded and sealed (Matt. 27:62-66).

Mark 16:1 records what took place on that Friday: “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint Him.” (Verse 2 jumps to Sunday morning.) The phrase, “and when the Sabbath was past,” refers to the high day that occurred on Thursday. Since the women could not buy spices on the seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday), Friday was the only time they could have done so.
Luke 23:56 states, “And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” After buying the spices, they returned and prepared them to be applied to Christ’s body in the tomb, which they planned to do after resting on the weekly Sabbath.

Luke 24:1 states, “Now upon the first day of the week [Sunday], very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.” The women found the tomb empty (vs. 3). Two angels in shining garments informed them that Christ was already “risen” (vs. 4-6). Mark 16:2 states that the women were present “at the rising of the sun.” This means Christ was resurrected before sunrise. John 20:1further tells us that Mary Magdalene came early “when it was yet dark” and found the stone that sealed the tomb was already rolled away. No sunrise resurrection could have occurred—because Christ was already resurrected!

Nowhere does Scripture record that Christ rose at sunrise on Sunday morning. However, it does tell us that Christ would be in His grave for three days and three nights. Anyone willing to believe the Bible should not find this difficult to accept. In fact, it is the only logical conclusion that can be drawn. Christ was placed in the tomb just before sunset on Wednesday. Three complete days (three days and three nights) bring us to the end of the weekly Sabbath, just prior to sunset, when Christ was resurrected—just as He had prophesied!

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