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laughable but true. They have created many teaches out of greed and anxiety. They themselves created the issue of giving to receive. So if we won't receive, that means we will not give? This is one of the false hope teachings in the body of Christ, the gospel of greed.

The fact that you don't believe in the God they are serving doesn't mean you call them pagan bro. This is where i have issues with you. Leave them alone and concentrate on your disbelieve in God. Like you or someone said, It's not by force. It's not by force you make Christian to believe what you believe. okay. I don't have anything personally against you. You are a nice person, reading from some of your post but just stop dis-respecting other people's believe in God. Okay.

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Yes, so why did you say tithe before. E be like say you dey play game o,lol

logicboy, you dey vex too much o, lol


You see as i dey laugh in all languages.

Abeg, make you relax o. we are friends u hear. Even though u na Atheist, me no vex for you u hear.

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How do you expect him to leave them to believe whatever they believe after it is evident that they come to him to beg? He should open their eyes to the truth. Has God become a liar? When you tithe, windows of heaven opens and you won't have room to contain it but the opposite is the case here and you are telling him to leave them, that's unfair. If they had not come to him to beg, is a different issue.

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Abi na SLAP you want?

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Na wha for you o.

Zikkyy: This is what am talking about. This is the main driver today, all other ingredients are no longer valid But the question is how do you advertise the signs and wonders to the world? you need internet, satalite t.v, print media, hold events to showcase pastoral skillz on a periodic basis e.t.c This is where the tithe takings become useful.

The example i gave you entails the sacrificial giving of the people that have seen the power of God.

Can't stop laugh o. . It is well.

Flyboy Zee: I noticed with disdain how; many women including my wife, mother, sisters, female colleagues and friends will do or give anything to a pastor or church.

Recently, [b]a female relation of mine gave her last money grudgingly as tithe in the church only to approach me to help her settle some bills. Was I mad? I had to admonish her that Tithe is not a Christian doctrine and that there is no point in depriving one's self of hard-earned money in the name of tithing, but, all she said is that God should have mercy on me and forgive me. I tried to take her through the Bible to see what God's idea for tithing was, but she refused after quoting the usual, Malachi 3. I then told her never to come to me for any form of assistance, if she can have enough money to take to Church as Tithe and will not have even food to eat. [/b]I told her off and that I'll not give her a dime of my money, let her go to the Pastor to help her out, since he promised her blessings after tithing.

Obviously, the windows of heaven is no more opening. Will you believe me if i tell you that some christians esp women fear these pastors more than they would fear God? Would you believe me? I can't stop laughing at the highlighted above.

Flyboy Zee: Some days later, I was chatting with a businesswoman and the issue of tithe came up and I tried to let her know that Tithe is not a doctrine from Christ and that there are also many other things the so-called Pastors won't tell her and also that the Israelites were to pay their tithes only to priests from the house of Aaron. She was like WTF is wrong with you? Didn't you know My Pastor said this and My Pastor said that. I tried to take her through the Bible to make her see that most of the doctrines she thought are Christian doctrines are actually the machination of men that call themselves MOGs and she too was like the Devil is using you.

Just keeping opening their eyes. One day, they will come to the knowledge of the truth. It's usually like that when you tell them the first time but gradually, the will listen to you. Okay. Keep doing the work. I did same thing a a pastor friend who is an assisting pastor in RCCG and he was like WTF is wrong with me. I asked him to calm down that i will show him prove. I asked him, did Jesus ever taught tithe, he said NO. I asked him did the Apostles ever taught tithe? He said No. I now told him does he know you can even eat your tithe? He was like am crazy. I told him to calm down that i will show him from the bible. I gave him Deut 14:22-end, he will see it there you can eat your tithe. You see my brother, this is even an assisting pastor. He was just following what he had been taught and following it blindly without proof-checking his denominational teachings. God will break our people loose from the shackles of Mal 3:9-11 in Jesus' Name. My pastor say this, my pastor say that, lol

The answer to Church growth is found in Acts 2:38-47 nkjv and i give you the extracts below:

The Word of God
Signs and wonders
Gifts of the Holy Ghost
Baptism
Prayers
Teachings (Apostles doctrines and fellowship)
Unity and sacrificial services/giving.
Breaking of bread
Simplicity of heart
Praises and Favour

v47:
Praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

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Well, you are right. The spoken word from a Prophet can be changed IF the people will pray to seek the face of God to avert a problem. Also you are right that God will reveal the name of the minister but how do people expect the moG to mention the name? He will never mention the name and that is wisdom as you said. We must move closer to God o.

Bro Frosbel,

Thank you so much for such article. Sometimes, when we begin to attack some false teachings in the body of Christ, some people will take it that you are trying to bring down a man of God. This is gross misconception that allows false teachings to keep growing. If as powerful as Apostle will teach and the Berean church will still proof-check his teachings, I think Christians should begin to check the length,width and depth of every teachings in the body of Christ, esp from teachers like Chris Oyakhilome. I have personally lost respect for Oyakhilome since the day he came out openly before the whole world that mastubation is not a sin. Well, I pray the eyes of his followers/members see some of these heresies that he teaches. Unfortunately, they might not see all these heresies because they have idolized the man of God.

Thank you and God bless you.

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Well, i only made my comment because he said he agree to error #17 and he stroke it out. So i intend to tell him that tithe doesn't grow a church neither does it add to church growth or number, whatever. Besides, he was laughing. so i thought probably he was joking.

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First, let start this way. I also believe there is a beginning before Gen 1:1 that was revealed to us in John 1:1. John revealed there was God in the very beginning before Gen 1:1 and with God, there was also the Word-God, Christ.

Now, in Gen 1:2, there was darkness on the earth. My first question to you is, where did this darkness came from since this is the beginning of creation of earth?

I also see from your article, that you use the "Complete Word Study" which Author of this material do you have? Jest curious, nothing to do with this thread anyway.

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@ Zikky,

Are you joking right? or make i show you how church grows in the bible, biblical proof of what grows the church, not tithing?

@ Kunle,

Do you have Russell's book on tithing?

He was hated for exposing the false teachings of tithing here in the United States. If you don't have his book. I can email you the online version.

I want us to look at some holes in your article but i wont be chanced today. I will be here all day from tomorrow till Friday. We can have fellowship together sir. I will ask you some questions and we will look into it together. Okay. Takia.

@ Pastor Kun, Snowwy and Image123,

lol. Na wah for una o. Image123, e be like say u still want my knock for your head shey? lol. I told you no fight Kunle b4 o, last warning. Answer one of the kweshions or sharaaaap

@ Poster,

The first thing i understand is the misconception of the word, "Called". The NT testament way God "Called" is different from that of the OT. Remember many are "Called" but few "Chosen".

In the NT, Every born again believers are all "Called" but not all are "Chosen" or "Sent" for a specific assignment.

What you are saying in your words, is to know where you are "chosen" or "sent" to function. As for the calling, you are already called. You only need to spend time with God and wait patiently to know where you are "Chosen" or "sent" to function. Also, being "chosen" or "sent" may or may not necessarily operating a local church.

This is my view. I may also answer more questions in case you need more clarifications.

Thank you.

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I have been thinking about same thing. In addition to Callotti's post above. The Atheists are the ones rather stepping into Christians discussions, distorting our threads and it's obvious all over the religious session. I think it's time to really divide the session. There is no more cordination and concentration of discussion in the religious session anymore. This is really disturbing now and the religious session is becoming of no effect for it's original intent anymore.

I think if any Christian still wishes to talk to the Atheists, that is if the Atheists session is created, then such christian or muslim will go to their session to confront or challenge them.

The Atheists should rather leave us christians alone. Kindly do something about this or ask the admin, Seun to create a session for the Atheists.

Thanks and God bless.

Callotti: Mu he he he he he he
Nor be small tin o.
[size=20pt]Love na by force?[/size]

It's not by force o but Atheists should just STOP mocking our God. We are not forcing them to believe in God since they have chosen not to but they should also leave us to what we believe in.

Thank you.

@ mkmyers45,

No worry bros, i no get ya time tonight. We go start on Monday, just watch out. You have already fallen my trap to prove my point about God. Whether you wanna agree or not, you are already caught in the web from your answers. Any way you choose to answer, you will still fall into the trap,lol. One thing about me is, I don't enjoy too much argument since your mind is already made up. Just to show you your folly cos only fools say in their heart, there is no God.

I dey come on Monday for all of una (Atheists). Una no even fit answer simply kweshion that proves God,lol.

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No worry, na me and una dis week, you hear. wait for me,lol

@ Image123,

Come out from among them (you know them in context here) bro, and be ye separate says the Lord.

@ OP,

They will start going in circles in their answers. I asked them some kweshions and guess what; unknowing to all of them that answered my kweshions, they fell into the trap of the questions to prove there is God.

I will expose their folly later.

Okay. Am waiting. I've got something to share also.

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We can have fellowship together. I just concluded some study on this verse and cross referenced some other verses. What is your take on John 1:1?

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That story is true. I know the Pastor, he has a church here in the United States,okay. I don't understand your beef. is it because a muslim converted to christian or what?

Logic Mind: or what?
powerless, inexistent piece of deluded imagination.

@ JeSoul and manmustwac,

I have to bring this to your notice and it's very crucial. The above quote is from Logic Mind in the thread, "Have you praised Him yet, today?". I begin to find him not giving other people respect in this session. When people are praising their God, with mentioning him or talking to him, how could he go on that thread to distort our praises to God. Please, kindly call him to order. Nobody is asking him to believe in God but at the same time, he shouldn't just jump into thread where God is being praised and making those statements. Kindly call him to order please, he should respect others as he also deserves respect.

Thank you.

@ Bro Image123,

You don't have to attack Bro Kunle's person as he said. It's no beef at all. All you have to do is, pick one of those kweshions and teach otherwise. You don't have to attach his person sir. You have already stepped into this and we expect you to honestly do justice to any of the kweshions. Like one of my friends would say and I quote, "What you know should not be too hard to explain".

God bless you bro.

logicboy: God can not die, therefore Jesus did not die on the cross. He was just doing a magic show!

That guy Jesus eh, e don dey kolo! e dey use us catch trips!

You are not ready to learn and you keep going in circle. How can't your logic tell your that he died. After I just showed you that the same sacrifice of Abel is a type of his death. So the Sheep of Abel died and Christ didn't die? Is that logic enough? My friend, I wan go sleep joo. Me think say you even get something logical to talk. Them don say we dey waste time wif una. Make i go take my time sleep.