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Christianity Etc › Re: The Passover Has No Meaning Without Jesus Christ! by Goshen360(m): 2:00pm On Apr 05, 2012

@ bro Image123,

Thanks bro. How are you today? Just wanna spend few time here and go on study in the word. Le'me check out the link. Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal And Word Of Faith Preachers Installing Their Relatives In Churches. by Goshen360(op): 1:59pm On Apr 05, 2012

cautious: This is a trend in some parts of the Body and the simple explanation, really, is that such leaders have made church their personal business thus they set up succession plans patterned after family inheritance. But there are those who know the truth that church belongs to God. I am encouraged when I remember the story of Pa Akindayomi, founder of rccg. He listened to God's voice in choosing a successor even though he had grown children and a wife that could take over from him. I believe there are still people like him, few as they may be.

Bolded in black. My same thought but you have explained it in a better way. What has the church of Jesus turned into? Many Christians thought they are worshiping God but never realized they are secretly being used to help a successive family establishment that will remain a family inheritance, it is called monument not church. Examples of true church is found in the word of God.

Bolded in Red. One of the good examples in that area is the RCCG and I thank God for the founder. This is one thing I hate so much about this religious people. When it comes to things like installing their family members as successor, they quote the old testament and when it comes to things that favours them, they quote the new testament. Imagine the one recent one i watched in the U.S here quoting God as God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shook my head. Is the church born out of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or born out of Christ? Obviously, the answers are very clear.

SMH.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 3:04am On Apr 05, 2012*

@ Ijila,

Thanks for the fellowship. You are great. I can't stop you from your believe or force you on this subject. One thing I know for sure is, the fact that something works doesn't make it right. If that is the case, then cele people will be right when they take people to bath in the river and beach.

Also, in reference to the tithe and anointing that was established by men and adopted by God in the past doesn't mean they are right today because same God gave us another new law/ways to do the old things. Heb 1:1-3

I challenge you to study more on this subject and also, I challenge you eat your so called tithe next time and see if God will still not bless you (Deuteronomy 14:22-29). All I want you to see is that, It is not tithe that blesses but God. You can't buy God's blessings because GOD HAD ALREADY BLESSED YOU.

"as His divine power has given to us all things that [pertain] to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue" 2 Peter 1:3 nkjv

Thanks for your fellowship. God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 12:25am On Apr 05, 2012

^^^
I am sorry. I don't understand you that way from your initial post. Am sorry about that. Okay.

Second, I don't claim to know it all but I only say that when people come on a thread to spill what they don't know much about. It gets me upset somehow.

Third, Why do I quote Old law to drive home my point. No, probably you misunderstand me. I quote the old to explain the verse since it is the same verse that people that supports tithe often quote. Am not personally quoting it to drive home my teachings but to explain the verse in quote.

I have always show my teachings from the NT, probably you didn't pay much attention. I follow the thread to actually know the scriptures that fit so I won't be quoting out of context. I hope this explains your question. If not, kindly ask in a clearer terms. God bless you. I hope to mind my language anyway and just explain my point. Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 11:26pm On Apr 04, 2012

ujchief: @goshen and enigma, [s]how convenient for u to quote deut 14 to drive in ur point that tithing should be of farm produce and shared among widows, yet when we quote malachi 3 and leviticus, u're fast to disprove it and brand it 'old testament and old law', this is hypocrisy in 3-dimensions.
U're quick to sugest logical explanations of the bible from ur own point of view, just to drive in ur point, but when ndu chuks tries to explain the scriptures from his own point of view, u insist that scriptures must be given scriptural interpretations from the bible, another hypocrisy in 8-mp camera lens.[/s]
Christ stated it boldly, 'He did not come to abolish the law but to fufil it', then why are u insisting that the law had been abolished?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 11:22pm On Apr 04, 2012

^^^
It is obvious you lack scripture understanding. When Christ came, he was born under the law and lived the law till his death. How then do you think he will say he came to abolish it at the time he was speaking? Definitely that will mean breaking scriptures. On the other hand, to prove your ignorance of the word of God,from the same verse you quoted, AFTER THAT CHRIST HAD ALREADY FULFILLED THE LAW, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO FULFILL IT? since Christ said he came to not to abolish the law but to FULFILL IT.

Do you want to deny that the law had already being fulfilled? If you deny it, then i will show you that the law had already being fulfilled, so stop trying to keep it.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Passover Has No Meaning Without Jesus Christ! by Goshen360(m): 10:26pm On Apr 04, 2012

Again frosbel,

I need you to teach me, step by step how to make that last "Source" of a thing. I have many articles to post from a source and need to share the source at the end as you have always done. Thank you. Kindly send me a step by step how to: goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: The Passover Has No Meaning Without Jesus Christ! by Goshen360(m): 10:21pm On Apr 04, 2012

frosbel: But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the BLOOD of goats and calves, but by his own BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the BLOOD of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the BLOOD of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:11-14)

The New Covenant is in the BLOOD of Jesus Christ because it was He who laid down His life for the sin of the world. If you travel to Israel you will not see a Tabernacle, or a Temple anymore, because the Lord Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice for mankind. There will be no more sacrifices. To reject the very Son of God is a most serious matter, because this is the only one who was sent by the Father to die for our sins. It does not matter whether a person is Jewish or Gentile, the BLOOD of Jesus Christ is still the only atonement for any person alive today, and the only BLOOD that will keep you out of Hell.

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)

The BLOOD of Jesus Christ is still as powerful to save souls as it was back then when He died on the cross.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (Romans 5:8-10)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9)

Source

If only a lot of folks will understand that Christ is the types and shadows in OT revealed the NT. And some people will come and make open statement that Christ didn't die for the whole world. I wonder what kind of bible they read. God bless you bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Says The Bible Does Not Say Anything About Tattoos False by Goshen360(m): 10:11pm On Apr 04, 2012

Dipwater: Olboy ur post is too long na wetin sef

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 10:06pm On Apr 04, 2012*

^^^
lol.

So you can't even explain your own common sense that you introduced into the matter of tithing. It means you don't understand the core of what we're saying. You're just jumping into the matter and applying common sense to biblical interpretation. Does it make sense when God told Abraham to go offer his son for sacrifice? Obviously NO!

I set the trap open for you and you simple jumped into it with your common sense. Hey bro, common sense is created with us and it a circular terms that is not permitted in the things of God. I stated that to you from the on set but you insisted on common sense, now your common sense that is not common can't even explain a simple matter. It means your common sense DON'T UNDERSTAND A COMMON MATTER OF THE BIBLE. Very simple and you have displayed that here.

It's no beef bro, common sense don't work when you interpret the word of God. It works in a circular world though but we are in the world but not of the world. Interpret that with common sense sir. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Women More Religious Than Men? by Goshen360(m): 9:58pm On Apr 04, 2012

Am having fun.lol grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 9:53pm On Apr 04, 2012

[quote author=ndu_chucks]Don't try to unnecessarily make a very simplistic concept appear complicated so that you can appear to have some vast uncommon knowledge. My friend, whenever you receive blessings from God, it comes throw the proverbial windows of heaven. That too is common sense! When you make charitable contributions tithe or not, there is an implicit and explicit expectations of blessings from God which essentially come through the said proverbial window of heaven.

[s]You 'religious' people act as if you are not supposed to use your God given brains, atimes. SMH[/s][/quote]On the contrary, we are also trying to make the religious people think for themselves, come out of religious spirit and stop being enslaved. Think of the example of someone's son dying and he takes tithe that was supposed to be for medical bills to church, you call that common sense or religious madness? Am waiting for you to reply to the core matter I posted above.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 9:44pm On Apr 04, 2012

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Okay, come back to our point now. Can your same common sense explain why people that don't pay this same tithe are super rich?

You seems not to understand the core of the matter. May be if your common sense can explain why other people that don't pay this "monster" called tithe to church are still super rich than even those that pays it, then you will simply understand the core of the matter.

Waiting sir.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 9:33pm On Apr 04, 2012

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lol, that is religious spirit and people my bro Enigma,lol. Son is dying and you go and pay tithe to church first? silly action.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 9:30pm On Apr 04, 2012

[quote author=ndu_chucks]It appears that common sense is being introduced into the discussion. You have indicated that you are required to make charitable contributions, and in fact that the contribution should be more than 10% of your income in your earlier wtite-ups. On the other hand, you are telling people who want to contribute 10% of theirs that they should not do so, because the said contribution is called tithe? Does this make common sense to you? This is at best a semantic disagreement and at worst senseless.

If people want to contribute 10% of their income as charitable donations to their place of worship on a monthly basis, then you sir, are completely wrong to tell them not to do so because the said contribution is called tithe. Telling them not to, is a contradiction to what you yourself have admitted to being, an expectation of Christians i.e. making charitable donations (even if its through your place of worship).

[s]Telling people to stop making charitable donations to their places of worship on a monthly basis is outright wrong and senseless. [/s]

Now, on a separate note, each individual has a responsibility of making sure that they avoid being taken for a ride by unscrupulous "pastors or imams".[/quote]This is the basis of your common sense right? I gave the Yes answer knowing that is where you are coming. Now, Let me dismantle your so called common sense when it comes to the word of God. Do you really know what the windows of heaven you talked about meant when it is opened to tithe payers? Don't common sense tell you also that you are doing something on ignorance basis when God commands and promised something but you are doing in falsehood expecting the windows of heaven in blessings? Again, how does your common sense argue those that don't pay tithe to any church but are super rich? How does your common sense explain that?

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Should Be My TITHE? by Goshen360(m): 9:16pm On Apr 04, 2012

Image123: Gosh, i no get strength to argue tithe matter abeg. Just leave me and the OP

Okay Boss, I respect your privacy sir,lol. But you know say me dey talk true sha huh

lol.

Anyway, tithe or not tithe, you still be my man. We cannot agree on all issue sha. But if na another person, you know say me go follow the person,lol. You are cool. Nothing do you. I leave you make you rest on the bible verse say "we know in part" 1 Cor 13:9.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 9:00pm On Apr 04, 2012

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Yes is the answer in a simple honest term. However, not according to the law of tithing. This is what we are saying. Give whatever with free will, cheerfully, not grudging and as God blessed you. Tithe is works of the law that brings self righteousness and compulsion. Like Enigma said, no body is saying you wont be blessed when you give any amount aside of tithe. As you said, giving can be less or more than 10%. So will that be fair on your part to say, the percentage of tithe should be abolished? and giving should be done freely as you are blessed?

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Should Be My TITHE? by Goshen360(m): 8:36pm On Apr 04, 2012

Chei, Bro Image123,

Which one you come start so now? na wha for you,lol. Anyway, you be my bros but I go tell ya the truth now. Malachi 3:10 wasn't addressed to the Israelites but THE PRIEST.

The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. Malachi 1:1 nkjv.

"And now, O priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1 nkjv.

This chapter 2 continued all the way to chapter 4. Bro Image123, try to re-visit this tithe issue sir. God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 8:22pm On Apr 04, 2012

@ ndu chucks,

Le'me use the word, "I guess" you are not a bible student. If you truly are, you will know by know in the context of Malachi, God wasn't talking to the Israelites, the "man" referred to in that verse is keyed into the context of who God was talking to in the context. Now Le'me show you, if you care:

Malachi 1:1 nkjv
The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

Malachi 2:1
"And now, O priests, this commandment is for you.

Chapter 2 of Malachi continued all the way to chapter 4, GOD STILL TALKING TO THE PRIEST. Brother, you can see it wasn't the members or Israelites that Malachi is addressed to. You can read to verify for yourself,okay.

Now le'me also show you that, EVERY BELIEVER IN JESUS NOW ARE THE PRIEST. THERE IS NO MORE PRIESTS LIKE IN THE DAYS OD THE TEMPLE THEN BECAUSE NOW WE OURSELVES ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND WE ARE THE PRIEST THAT REPRESENTS OURSELVES AND GOD.

But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. 1 Peter 2:9 nkjv

Again, who was Peter writing to in context: Let's see again:

1 Peter 1:1-2 nkjv
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

That we are now the temple of God, to show you:

1 Cor 3:16 nkjv
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Cor 6:19 nkjv
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 5:19pm On Apr 04, 2012

@ ndu chucks,

Enigma had given you much reply. Should you not be satisfied, let me know and we look at the views together. Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 4:59pm On Apr 04, 2012

dalaman: Interesting debate.

Point of correction sir/ma, It't not a debate as we don't debate the word of God. We teach the truth and if you know otherwise as we know in part, then teach us and we fellowship together.

Christianity Etc › Re: People That Have Changed Your Views. by Goshen360(m): 4:57pm On Apr 04, 2012

Well, I am not an Atheist but very much love mazaje's post and comments. Many times, his post is thoughtful. I take my side with him because I am also against religious sentiments and stand for the bible truth which the religious leaders don't want people to see. I stand with mazaje because he stand by the truth, call a spade a spade and that is what I also preach. However, I believe in God but he doesn't. I have not read so much from Tbaba123 because I don't often deep myself into all discussion neither do I read all post.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 3:56pm On Apr 04, 2012

@ Enigma,

To add more to your explanation. One of the weapons of the false teachers of tithe is they pick bible out of context and give the bible a private interpretations, which is against the basis for our bible interpretation. One of the beautiful things I learnt in my bible school and personal studies is, READING THE BIBLE IN CONTEXT AND EXPLAIN OR INTERPRET THE BIBLE WITH THE BIBLE, THAT IS USE SCRIPTURES TO EXPLAIN SCRIPTURES AND NOT WITH YOUR HEAD KNOWLEDGE OR OUR OWN WORDS.

@ Enigma,

If we explain Matthew 23 in context and we read from verse one. You will see Jesus telling His disciples NOT TO DO WHAT THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES DOES, v 1-3. Also in the context, one thing that is clear is the scribes and pharisees pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin. If we let scriptures interpret itself here in this context, it means to the disciples, do not tithe of mint and anise and cummin. Why? Because they are poor and the poor are not allowed/instructed to tithe. Also, tithe was mainly agricultural produce and animals. Why didn't Jesus tithe? Simpy, He was a CARPENTER. Why didn't Peter tithe? He was a fisherman. Why didn't Apostle Paul tithe? He was a tent maker. This truth is here for people to search out but they call us names of being anti-tither. Of course we are cos we reveal the truth against the falsehood of tithe.

Thank you brother, God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Should Be My TITHE? by Goshen360(m): 3:35pm On Apr 04, 2012

cogbuagu: I got a job now but don't know how i will be paying my tithe.

Please people answer me.
[s]Should my tithe be 10% of my BASIC SALARY?[/s]
or
I have to add all my allowances like
my transport allowances
children allowances
medical allowances
inconvenience allowances and
basic allowances
~~then give 10% of the total.~~
Thanks for reading.

The New testament believers are not bounded by certain percentage. When the time comes for you to give to the work of God, give to the poor, needy, widows and orphans, DO IT FREELY, WILLING AND CHEERFULLY AS THE LORD BLESSED YOU. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE TITHE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH. It is a works of the law and we are not saved or blessed by works of our righteousness or religious works. God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Spiritual Help by Goshen360(m): 3:24pm On Apr 04, 2012

@ OP,

I will go in the advice of my brother Image123 and my sister Oldpath. They have given you the piece of my mind. I will also add that:

And when He had come into the house, His disciples asked Him privately, "Why could we not cast it out?" So He said to them, "This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting." Mark 9:28-29 nkjv.

One more thing if I may add, "As a man thinks, so is he". You also need to transform your thinking in line with the word of God by the power in the name of Jesus.

For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. 2 Cor 10:4-5 nkjv

I submit to you from the above verses, it is your duty to do it. Take responsibility, fight it and the Lord Help you brother.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 3:06pm On Apr 04, 2012

ljila: Hiya,yes i am aware as i read Hebrews 7:4-9 yesterday, so you are VERY WRONG IN SAYING I DON'T KNOW. Don't make conclusions on what you're not certain of ok, admit your limitations.
The scripture in Hebrews doesn't change the fact that Jesus approved tithing by saying "this you ought to have done but not neglecting the others." Whether Abraham's tithes was converted to the Levitical tithes is not the matter, it still stands that tithing preceded the law. There are things that were initiated by men that God adopted and approved. E.g 1 -Tithing was initiated by Abraham as far as biblical records are concerned.
E.g 2 -Anointing with oil: Jacob initiated anointing with oil in the bible in Gen 28:18, and God showed His approval of that in 1 Samuel 16:1,12-13 by commanding Samuel to anoint David as king.
Each according to the measure of faith God has given him. The OP said she'll feel guilty if she doesn't pay the tithe and you're encouraging her to make that decision. Don't make her stumble on what she thinks is right and the choice is still hers by the way. It seems you're trying to enforce your opinions on everyone. Not everyone's gonna agree with you, that's life. If you read my entire post, i gave my view and what i think i'll do in such a scenario, and left the matter there. You may wanna adopt that approach sometimes. God bless you too Goshen360

Okay, Frist, le'me apoligize that I jumped to conclusion that you didn't know the Abraham tithe was taken to the levitical law. Sorry about that.

Second, you agreed that the account of Hebrews changed the Abraham tithe that was carried to the levitical tithing and you later came back that it doesn't change the fact that Jesus APPROVED TITHING BY SAYING THIS OUGHT TO HAVE DONE AND NOT NEGLECT THE OTHER, Matt 23:23. I have a good news for you as i perceive you have a heart to learn the truth, if only you will follow the truth. Now I give you another assignment to read the whole of Matthew 23 in context. But to help you ma, In verse 23, Jesus was talking to the scribes and Pharisees and DID NOT APPROVE TITHE BUT IT WAS WOE. If you don't think so, then verse 3 of matthew 23 gives you the answer where Jesus SPECIFICALLY TOLD HIS DISCIPLES NOT TO DO ACCORDING TO THE WORKS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES. v1-3 of matthew 23. This is the reason the Apostles that are disciples of Jesus cannot teach the early christians tithing.

Third, you talked about the anointing oil. I will not jump to conclusion about your knowledge on anointing oil at this time but permit me to "guess". The way Holy Spirit is received in the NT is not when oil is poured on believers. Do you study well again ma. In addition, see my response below:

goshen360: God2man,

For a while you and I have not engage much in talk on the religious session. I do not claim to lay hold of total knowledge of the word but as much as I have come to know is the fact I spend much time with the word of God asking God to show me more by His Spirit. You see my brother, many things are going on right now and it was prophesied by Christ. What do I mean? Christ prophesied false prophets. And what is it under heaven you think false prophets will offer? False teachings and falsehood of course!

Now le'me come to your own words that "when you begin to show that you know everything, then there is a problem, it shows that you are not ready to listen to other christians explanation on the issue of tithe, this is a manifestation of ignorance, a wise man will think deeply on various opposing views".

I will like you learn the truth yourself here in regards to Matthew 23:23 and I will show you the truth therein, it's left for you to accept it or not.

First, Jesus was speaking to the scribes and Pharisees in Matt 23:23 and before that verse in the same chapter, Jesus already told the multitudes and his disciples (which is being interpreted as we today as disciples of Christ) that they should NOT DO ACCORDING TO THE WORKS (tithe is a works according to the law) of the scribes and Pharisees. Hence, Jesus could not have justify tithing using the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees. Read Matthew 23, the whole chapter and interpreted it in context please. There are couple of woes to the scribes and Pharisees in that chapter, why is it tithe alone that is lifted. Let's divide the word of God right please.

Again, remember Jesus CANNOT DESTROY THE LAW IN HIS DAYS BECAUSE HE WAS BORN INTO THE LAW AND HE HAD TO LIVE THE LAW. At the time Jesus was speaking in Matthew 23:23, the law was still in effect, so that is why the scribes and Pharisees were still practicing the law. Have you ever asked why Christ did not pay tithe or taught tithe or received tithe? That I will offer to you as an assignment if you don't mind.

I am not trying to impose knowledge as this forum is for us to also learn. Am open for you discussion sir.

God bless you ma, Ijila

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 2:49pm On Apr 04, 2012

God2man: Why is there so much arguments about tithe on nairaland? Why? If you search very well, you will discover that this topic is not new, we have argued extensively on this very Topic of helping your brother with your tithe.
Silence is a sign of wisdom, when you begin to show that you know everything, then there is a problem, it shows that you are not ready to listen to other christians explanation on the issue of tight, this is a manifestation of ignorance, a wise man will think deeply on various opposing views.
Anti-tithers should think deeply on the statement made by our LORD JESUS CHRIST on tithe, Mattew 23:23, especially the part of not leaving the other undone.
Now, how do we know the person that is saying the right thing? Do we pray to God for inspiration? What do we do on the issue of tithe? God will help us on nairaland on tithe wahala. God bless you all. God2man.

God2man,

For a while you and I have not engage much in talk on the religious session. I do not claim to lay hold of total knowledge of the word but as much as I have come to know is the fact I spend much time with the word of God asking God to show me more by His Spirit. You see my brother, many things are going on right now and it was prophesied by Christ. What do I mean? Christ prophesied false prophets. And what is it under heaven you think false prophets will offer? False teachings and falsehood of course!

Now le'me come to your own words that "when you begin to show that you know everything, then there is a problem, it shows that you are not ready to listen to other christians explanation on the issue of tithe, this is a manifestation of ignorance, a wise man will think deeply on various opposing views".

I will like you learn the truth yourself here in regards to Matthew 23:23 and I will show you the truth therein, it's left for you to accept it or not.

First, Jesus was speaking to the scribes and Pharisees in Matt 23:23 and before that verse in the same chapter, Jesus already told the multitudes and his disciples (which is being interpreted as we today as disciples of Christ) that they should NOT DO ACCORDING TO THE WORKS (tithe is a works according to the law) of the scribes and Pharisees. Hence, Jesus could not have justify tithing using the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees. Read Matthew 23, the whole chapter and interpreted it in context please. There are couple of woes to the scribes and Pharisees in that chapter, why is it tithe alone that is lifted. Let's divide the word of God right please.

Again, remember Jesus CANNOT DESTROY THE LAW IN HIS DAYS BECAUSE HE WAS BORN INTO THE LAW AND HE HAD TO LIVE THE LAW. At the time Jesus was speaking in Matthew 23:23, the law was still in effect, so that is why the scribes and Pharisees were still practicing the law. Have you ever asked why Christ did not pay tithe or taught tithe or received tithe? That I will offer to you as an assignment if you don't mind.

I am not trying to impose knowledge as this forum is for us to also learn. Am open for you discussion sir.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 3:10am On Apr 04, 2012

@ ndu chucks,

I will reply your post in details when I wake up and get on my computer to pull verses for you. The things of the spirit does not align with common sense as you stated. You have to interpret the scriptures with scriptures and explain it in contexts. That is what am gonna do and maybe you see your own errors. God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 3:01am On Apr 04, 2012

ljila: I believe the highlighted shows Jesus approving of tithing. Besides, tithing came before the law as Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek Gen 14: 20
Spirit-filled Christians know that God sometimes leads us through our consciences. I don't know if your are Spirit-filled or not or if you are a christian, but you say your conscience won't let you rest if you don't pay the tithe, why? You have to search your heart and honestly answer yourself.

Are you also aware it is this Abraham tithe that was transferred into the Leviticus tithes for the levites that was abolished by the priesthood of Christ and priesthood of believers? Obviously you don't know. Heb chapter 7 gives you the answers. Pls go study it and come back with what you understand ma. Thank you ma, God bless you ma.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 2:48am On Apr 04, 2012

ujchief: @goshen,
Jesus never abolished tithing, nor the law, Matt 5:17 'I did not come to abolish the law...
The old testament is part of the bible and is not abolished, 2tim 3:16 'All scriptures is written by God and is usefull...
Jesus did mention tithing, but never said it was abolished, in Luke 11:42, Jesus rebuked the pharisees that after paying their tithe, they pass over the judgement and love of God. Now check what Jesus said at the last part of the verse 32...'these ought u have done and not leave the other undone'. Meaning, u ought to pay ur tithe, dont just stop at tithing, but also dont passover the love and judgement of God.
These are the words of Jesus himself.
I rest my case.
Feel free to invite me when u start ur non-tithing crusade on Nl. I'll give u more tutorial on ur Heb chapters 7 and 8 wherein ur fake ideologies stem from.

Ok sir, we can as well create a thread to teach tithing or we use this thread to deal with it. There are 2 priesthoods that abolished tithing: priesthood of Christ and priesthood of believers. I am typing from my phone, I cannot do a bible verse pull ups for you now but will modify this comment when I get to my computer. Ok. So we can both learn. God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 2:37am On Apr 04, 2012

[quote author=Musiwa,.]goshen360, jesus was not referring to himself. but to the Pharisee. so he said he fast twice a week. does that mean that we must fast twice a week. the answer is no.

you see. this is your problem goshen360. lack of understanding of the word of God. the Pharisee was the one who gave tithe. not jesus.[/quote]I guess you mistaken my quote. I was saying same thing to the person that said Jesus gave tithe. I was teaching him that Jesus was teaching a parable and quoting the Pharisee. Please check again. I perceive you mistaken me n the person you wanted to talk about. PLEASE MODIFY YOUR POST SIR. GOD BLESS YOU.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Give My Tithe To A Brother In Need by Goshen360(m): 2:26am On Apr 04, 2012

ujchief: i'm glad the poster believes in tithing, so goshen's false teachings shouldnt be a problem.
Op, tithing and giving are two different things, both have different blessings attached to them. Giving to your brother is ideal, u will be blessed if u do, but dont substitute tithing with giving. You can give ur bros the exact amount u've kept for ur tithing, but u stil having paid ur tithe.
To answer ur question, attend to ur brother's urgent need, but record it that u owe God that specific amount which u must redeem later.
Remember, tithing isnt a free-will donation, u must 'pay' ur tithe.

It's obvious you cannot teach the truth of God's word. In the OT, God gave specific percentage to bring, but in the NT, we are no more bound by New of specific amount. I think you don't understand the law so you cannot understand grace. I will be happy that you teach us the truth if am teaching falsehood. Jesus spent 3 years in ministry, have you asked yourself why he didn't teach tithe for once.

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