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@ Image123,
Case closed. Happy Sunday to you oga mi. Mr Joagbaje had given us the best answer and I go with that. Read Joe's comment above sir. lol. Wetin you chop remain for Goshen nah? Remember to send your seed offerings,lol.

@ 5solas,
Great job to you also. Nice confirmation. Make my friend and brother Image123 follow join now.

Seriously, and I mean Seriously, He is saying the truth if you listen from 2:10 - 3:30. Every time I turn on the T.V here in the U.S. to watch Christian television, 7/8 out of 10 preachers are ALWAYS talking about money and seed sowing. As am typing this comment right now, Sunday April 1, 2012, 3:07 pm, a preacher is asking for seed sowing. They have made T.V ministry like as if you are in church service that if you listen to message through the T.V, you must send an offering or sow a seed. This is outrageous and am sick and tired of this.

Am out of here.

He too comes on T.V here in the U.S to always sell stuffs and ask for seed offerings.

Snowwy: @goshen,
That is great.
Constant study is required. Thank God for some of these topics that ginger me to study & meditate more.

Ephesians 4:13 (KJV)
 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Well I noticed the topic approach is what has been going on already on NL, though your thread seems devoid of any slander and abuses. I pop in from time to time but will see where I can participate.
Thanks and cheers.

Very powerful verse. One of those I love so much. Thanks.

Joagbaje: its not about if mattew, mark etc are new testaments or not. The books were obviously written under the new testamenttestament but the story they contain was under the old testament. they dealt about the MAN Jesus Christ the prophet of galilee. but his new testament ministry was not revealed in the gospels.

its also important to know that the gospel writers were influenced by him also. Luke was his son. mark was his companion in missionary work until Paul sent him back. teachings of Paul were evident in johns epistles.

Great Points highlighted.

@ Op,

Seriously, you guys should be careful what you put here. The whole world is watch n reading from here. The prophet didn't reveal or mention name, just a prophesy and the title of your thread says otherwise. Please modify your title please or the moderators will delete your post. Thank you sir.

@ Moderators,

Please take note.

Thanks for the great job. How does one get these books in the United States? What is the price for each?

Oga mi,

Na me n you today. This one wey u talk say NT na story of Jesus, how you live etc. Oga, it's more than that o. I told you that you will begin to see me pull out some dangerous stuffs out of the NT n the are all hidden in the OT. Oga sir, that one you talk, me no agree with you. Yes, it's love the Lord your God, love your neighbor, infact, what you call story of Jesus is not, it's revelation of Jesus Christ not biography n it's more than how to live life, it's getting life and more revelations, mysteries etc.

I know you are not so much in a hurry. Kindly wait for me till I start pulling out some mouth opening stuffs out. Lol. Am very sure you will enjoy n learn from them as am also learning from you. Enjoy.

Thanks bro.

I just ordered some study materials. I have to revisit some topics. I hope to come up with some new stuffs, topics, thread after. I hope you come on board. By the way, you are not coming to bible study, why?

Chairman buzugee,

Na what for u o. You dey vex too much. Anyway, I don hear u sha, will reconcile my old n new testament but not living for old anyway. I have a better covenant in the new testament. Besides, am not into church thing. You can see my contribution to correct false teachings in the church. My new slogan is heavy for u right? As in reading the old in the light of the new,lol. Ok. I simply mean, read the old to understand or interpret the new not other way.

Again, u know am being honest when speaking the truth. There are four dimensions to everything in life and to every living being. Do you have revelation on why we have four synoptic gospel only on Jesus and we don't have four other books? Mathew, Mark, Luke n John wrote from the dimensions from which they saw Jesus. Some people say it's contradictory but not, it's complimentary. You r more of old testament guy but am more of new, we both compliment ourselves as we said, iron sharpens iron n we know in parts.

Buzugee plants, Goshen waters, to God be the glory because the gospel is preached. But you being an old testament guy, you should support tithe but you don't,lol. Hope am not causing trouble now,lol.

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I have read the old testament more than you thought. Like I said, both old n new testament are God's but you hv to read old in the light of the new. Infact, you cannot understand the new without reading the old even though the old is not for us,believers in Christ. The old prefigured the church, believers. If you don't believe me, wait until I start some dangerous thread here on NL, all from the old testament to show their beauty in the new. Like I said earlier, God desired the believers, Christians, church from genesis in the garden but God hid it inside Israel.

Wait a minute, ARE YOU A JEW? COS YOU ARE SOUNDING LIKE ONE. IT'S THE JEWS THAT DON'T LIKE THIS TYPE OF TEACHING AND THEY ALWAYS HOLD ONTO THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE LAW,THAT'S WHY THE REJECTED JESUS AS THE MESSIAH. ARE YOU A JEW? LOL

@ Snowwy,

I agree with you. We cannot throw away the words of our testator. I have said before and will say it again, if we don't accept the words of Paul or other epistles,letters or correspondences, we must accept the words of Christ. Studying to understand Christ's teachings and other epistles might be hard but by the help of holy spirit, we will understand they are not different at all. Also keep in mind, the law was a school master that had led us to Christ. The grace of Christ is now sufficient for us, not to try to still keep the law. Besides, the law was written for the Jews not we, the gentiles. Our (gentile) New law is written in Christ. Remember Jesus said, a new commandments I give unto you.

Anyway, we know in part and we keep to study deeper. God bless you bro.

cgift: Omo, you be chameleon o. Changing to suit the color of the weather

NO, she is NOT a chameleon. What she did is scriptural. She doesn't want to cause a stumbling block to others and she stated it in her comments.

"If" truly some people can wear trousers in choir and some can't wear, THAT IS DA.GON IN THE CHURCH. And whatever you can preach somewhere but can't preach elsewhere IS NOT THE GOSPEL, IT IS CALLED TRADITIONS OF MEN.

Seriously, am enjoying LoJ because he is saying the truth.

As for[b] buzugee[/b], you are "probably" reading the New testament in the LIGHT of the OLD but seriously, YOU SHOULD BE READING THE OLD IS THE LIGHT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. JESUS ALREADY CAME TO FULFILL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE LAW AND PROPHETS AND HAD ESTABLISHED FOR US A BETTER COVENANT.

There is a series of teaching I might do in the future, God willing. It's on Israel. You will understand that, God wanted a "nation" not geo-political in the end but he had to start with a geo-political which he prefigured in national Israel and hide the Mystery in them. The nation God is dealing with NOW is NOT Israel but, the BELIEVERS OR CHURCH OF JESUS WHICH IS CALLED THE BODY OF CHRIST. This is the nation God intended and hide from the beginning. This is what LoJ is talking about. LoJ is right in his definition of the Jews in relation to national Israel and nations that is now called believers in Christ, seed of Abraham. God is no more looking at the national Israel as his people but they that believe in Jesus from all nations of the earth. In fact, the kingdom of God had already been taken away from national Israel but they will come into the kingdom only if or when they believe in Jesus.

The bible says, God, "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" Isaiah 46:10. Kjv.

I can tell you authoritatively tell/show you that God intended the believers in Jesus from the beginning, IN GENESIS. But it was hidden in the nation of Israel. The believers are the nations God is dealing with now, taken out from the gentiles and from all nations of the earth.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9 kjv.

I believe you know the use of "BUT" in a statement. You need to read from previous chapter then and it means a contrary statement coming from the previous one. Look that up bro.

Who are the people that Peter was writing this to? Lets see the answer in 1 Peter 1:1-2 Nkjv:

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

These are the people referred to in 1 Peter 2:9.

@ Buzugee, Start reading the OT in the light of the NT and you will see the beauty of the scriptures in the better covenant. I respect you deep knowledge in the scriptures but I think you are reading the NT in the light of the OT. I hope am not mistaken in my thought about you anyway.

Snowwy: @goshen360,
Based on the link, not all things in the OT has been fuflfilled even after the death of Christ. Many things are yet to be fulfilled even as at now. The author in that link never stated that the old is fulfilled in the new...

Infact, the scriptures says Jesus came to fulfill what was said of him by the law and the prophets, it never said that Jesus came to fulfill the old.
Please study again.

What was said of him by the law and prophets are or refers to prophesies concerning him in the Prophet book and in the Law, his types and shadows and things said about him. This is my understanding of that verse and that verse had been fulfilled already even when he came.

Well, maybe we need to do more study but what exactly is your take on this thread? Matthew to John, OT or NT in context, we as bible student now cannot change it though but when we study, we can always have it in mind that Matthew to John is OT or NT, that's what I intend with this thread.

Thank you though.

Does that mean you are not reading at all? I already told you who Melchizedek is in my first post. Are you not satisfied? Then we dig deeper.

@ Snowwy,

Thanks for that link. I have always said, we should read the OT IN THE LIGHT OF THE NT, NOT READING THE NT IN THE LIGHT OF THE OLD. THE OLD IS FULFILLED IN THE NEW.

@ Snowwy again,
You see the word of God is too loaded. The link you gave is very relevant to this topic but incomplete. How? Am glad u asked. You see, Jesus was doing two thing when he came.

Fulfilling the old
Establishing the new that will then take effect after his death,resurrection n ascension.

I do not claim to know it all but I also see it from another or deeper dimension. If he wasn't establishing the NT that will take effect after he's gone, what will be the new that will take effect or when the old is taken away, what new will be established. So the link you gave is right on course but more to that link, he (Jesus) was also establishing NT during his living the OT. By the Spirit of God, If you dig deeper, you will understand why Jesus had disciples and why he cant just teach the whole public same thing. You will often find him (Jesus) teaching disciples separately even though the things taught are now written to us all.

I can point out many things to show Jesus was living the OT and also establishing the NT. So from your link, it confirms to me that Matthew to John are old.

unphilaz: Yes, only then will grace save us. But do i need the school master again after it has pointed me to a better "professor" (grace)who can teach me to be godly than the previous schoolmaster who was incapacitated by the flesh?

Same question I have always asked. Jesus already fulfilled the law, why are we still trying to keep it or why do we still keep it? I guess Olaadegbu will answer the question.

OLAADEGBU: What is your understanding of "Sabbath" to start with?

Same thing as you have explained above. So, which day is proper for our gathering together for worship or assembly of the brethren?

So which is biblical correct, to worship on Sabbath or to worship on the first day of the week? Oga sir,lol.

Sure bro. We have also being talking about other bible translations recently. Christians really have to stick to Kjv or Nkjv. Nice thread. God bless you.

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Exactly what I do also also, I stick (read) to kjv and nkjv but use the above website you gave for some comparison.

These website you will love also for comparison of many translations. Just enter the book/chapter/verse and choose the translations you will love to view, these other two websites too are great:

http://bible.cc/genesis/24-67.htm
http://www.biblegateway.com/
http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm

update for you. So basically, i used three for comparison after my kjv n nkjv.

I will not attempt to do details now,lol. This is what am talking about looking up words when you study. When you talk of "CUP" there in the verse, is it the cup the NT? No. Then you have to find out what the cup is used for as figurative. I will not tell you that, lol. Go deep dip bro. And of course if you say the cup "is" the NT that was in that verse. What shall you say to the fact that, without shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin? I have given you assignment, go and dig deeper,lol. Am being tempted to help you out but i will not. I want you to go dig deeper. Go look it up bro.lol.

"In your logic now, it means Genesis and Job are not old testament? Hope i'm not sounding harsh sounding, pls inform me if i need to tone down."

This one your words, I don't understand how you mean in my logic, Genesis and Job are not Old Testament? I don't understand that sir.

In fact, the title of this thread should be: Should the Priesthood of Melchizedek be used to support tithing or a better Priesthood? Just a suggestion. That was what I had in mind. Am not imposing anyway, I'm just saying.lol

I can see many of us are not quite serious about the bible study. Even at the topical, we seems not to contribute. If we are not going to contribute, I may have to go back to chapter by chapter/verse-by-verse study even if it will take me to do it alone while other will learn.

We have chosen topical so that everybody will contribute and we will be able to have fellowship and reasoning together. This topical is intense and calls for a lot of research and study. For me to come up with all these stuffs, it takes time and yet, many of us don't want to contribute so we can all have fellowship.

Let's share view please. I don't believe in everybody building his own apart. We are to come together and this is what the body of Christ is all about.

The Baptism for Believers

Mk.16:16 "He that believeth, and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall not be saved."

There is a question whether this is speaking of water baptism or spirit baptism . Since this is Jesus discourse before his ascension and does coincide with Mt.28 it would be logical to think, it is of water.

The believer's baptism of water identifies us to the Lord Jesus Christ and symbolizes the positional truth of his dying for us and washing away our sins. The real baptism of the Holy Spirit places a believer into Christ, water baptism is a ceremony that illustrates the fact of Spirit baptism, an invisible event which actually puts one in the body.

Christians have a real identification with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection. Water baptism is a symbolic identification with the person and work of Christ in his death. Rom.6:4

When one goes down in the water, they are saying, "I identify with His death and burial." They are declaring the Gospel that saved them in a physical act.

It is a representative act of identification. The individual is placed in the water, which means, symbolically, that he is identified with what the water represents, which is cleansing. It is also a illustration of death being buried taken away from ones view.1 Pt 3:21 Denies emphatically that baptism conveys either the essence or power of grace. It is not the removal of the flesh (our carnal nature). Baptism saves through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

There is no mention of any blessing that is connected with baptism that is not also given when one exercises faith. It is an outward illustration of the real inward event. The new covenant is ratified by the blood of Christ, his death. Its not water. Baptism is the seal of the covenant but not the covenant itself. The veil of the temple was ripped open when he died not when he was baptized. There is no forgiveness without the blood of Christ, there is forgiveness without baptism. Water baptism always comes after salvation. It does not precede salvation. When water baptism precedes salvation it becomes a religious practice, a ritual without substance. Believer's baptism is not a religious ritual in itself, but a indicates that one has a relationship with Jesus Christ by means of salvation.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit

When a person believes accepts Christ as Savior, he is placed into the body of Christ by the Spirit and the spirit is placed in him. He is identified as a believer. 1 Cor.12:13. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

Acts 1:5, Jesus said to them "For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus is making a distinction between water and Spirit baptism, just as John did. John's water baptism always showed repentance. It looked forward to Christ whom they would receive. The Holy Spirit's work would be inward. This is the spiritual work of God to regenerate a believer and put them supernaturally in the body of Christ.vs.8 "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses to me in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth." the anointing gave them the boldness to be witnesses (martyrs) wherever they went.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a New Testament teaching and experience. In John 7:39, Jesus, speaking of the Spirit, stated those who believe in Him would receive the Spirit when He was glorified. This event happened when He ascended to heaven and then sent the Spirit. Its first occurrence was on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit started the body of Christ. He came with an audible sound rushing into the upper room came upon them and filled them all, so that they were endued with power to bring the gospel. This baptism was unique in that it also exhibited a dividing of fire above each ones head. This was associated with the glory of God the shekinah in the OT. tabernacle. This happened only one time never to be repeated in the NT.

Believers are place "in Christ", in their new position they now have access to privileges and blessings that come with this relationship. Ephesians 1 describes our new position in Christ "all blessings in heavenly places in Him." We are seated in heavenly places.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit was prophesied by John the Baptist, Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16. by Jesus Christ who said he would send him, John 14:16,17; Acts 1:5.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for all believers adopted into the family of God. It is how one enters the body 1 Cor. 12:13, Gal. 3:26-28. Eph. 5:18 tells us to be continually filled with the Spirit, in other words give him control of our lives, it is a daily thing.

The Baptism of the Cross/death (his Cup)

Jesus Christ "drank" the Cup filled with our sins. This was an expression of all the sins of the world put into one cup and poured out on Christ while He was on the Cross. God the Father judged our sins while they were on Christ. (similar to the bowls of judgment in Rev. on mankind) The "cup" being spoken of signifies God's wrath towards sin. Christ identified with our sin and He bore our sins on the cross being was made sin for us. (2 Cor.5:21, 1 Pet. 2:24.)

Mark 10: 38 (also Matt. 20:23 ). "You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said. "Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?" 39 "We can," they answered. Jesus said to them, "You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with,"

We are told that we are all baptized into his death Rom.6 :3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." for one to have the new life they must die in Christ first. Accepting his atonement for us personally. When we die with him we are able to walk in the new life he offers.

In Matt. 26:39, He prays to the Father to "let this cup pass from me". Nevertheless, thy will be done.. in he states John 18:11, "the cup which my Father has given me, shall I not drink from it?" The "cup" being spoken of signifies God's wrath towards sin that would be poured out on him in our place.

The Baptism of Moses

1 Cor. 10:2 tells us, "all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and the sea". This is a symbolism of Moses being a type of Christ. The water never touched them but they went across to dry land to the other side while the waters became a means of judgment on Pharaoh’s army that tried to overtake them.

The baptism of Moses was a double identification, the children of Israel are identified both with Moses as their deliverer and with the cloud ,Gods glory a visible representation of his presence, as they passed through the Red Sea. There was no water involved, when the waters were parted the Israelites walked on dry land, they went through the sea on dry land never getting wet. (1 Cor.10:1,2.) The Jews never got wet, but Pharaoh's’s army did ! When it says they were baptized into Moses it means in reference to Moses' leadership delivering them through the waters of judgment. When it says the cloud it was the glory of God leading Moses who led them into their journey.