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Can't catch up with the thread, maybe I will have to go back few pages when I do have time but for now, scanning the current page and talking about seed time and harvest in Genesis 8:22, here is it:

Genesis 8:22Expanded Bible (EXB)

22 “As long as the earth continues, planting and harvest, cold and hot, summer and winter, day and night will not stop.”

Many translations here and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+8%3A22&version=EXB]here[/url] support it as "planting and harvest" instead of what scripture twisting men wants us to believe....

# I'm getting ready to change my signature or add to the existing one#.....

OLAADEGBU:
Why Does Christ's righteousness need to be imputed to us? What is imputation? Why, on the basis of Christ's death can God declare us to be righteous?

http://www.gotquestions.org/imputed-righteousness.html

I know you will later copy and paste the "Answers" here so lemme do it for you.....

Question: "Why does Christ's righteousness need to be imputed to us?"

Answer: In His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus uttered these words: “You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). This comes at the end of the section of the sermon where Jesus corrects His listeners’ misunderstanding of the Law. In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says that, if His hearers want to enter into the kingdom of heaven, their righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees, who were the experts in the Law.

Then, in Matthew 5:21–48, He proceeds to radically redefine the law from mere outward conformity, which characterized the “righteousness” of the Pharisees, to an obedience of both outward and inward conformity. He says, “You have heard it said, but I say unto you” to differentiate between the way people heard the law taught from how Jesus is reinterpreting it. Obeying the law is more than simply abstaining from killing, committing adultery, and breaking oaths. It’s also not getting angry with your brother, not lusting in your heart, and not making insincere oaths. At the end of all this, we learn that we must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, and that comes from being perfect.

At this point, the natural response is “But I can’t be perfect,” which is absolutely true. In another place in Matthew’s Gospel, Jesus summarizes the Law of God with two commandments: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:37–40). This is certainly an admirable goal, but has anyone ever loved the Lord with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength and his neighbor as himself? Everything we do, say, and think has to be done, said, and thought from love for God and love for neighbor. If we are completely honest with ourselves, we have to admit that we have never achieved this level of spirituality.

The truth of the matter is that, on our own and by our own efforts, we can’t possibly be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect. We don’t love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. We don’t love our neighbors as ourselves. We have a problem, and it’s called sin. We are born with it, and we cannot overcome the effects of it on our own. Sin radically affects us to our core. Sin affects what we do, say, and think. In other words, it taints everything about us. Therefore, no matter how good we try to be, we will never meet God’s standard of perfection. The Bible says that all of our righteous deeds are like a “polluted garment” (Isaiah 64:6). Our own righteousness is simply not good enough and never will be, no matter how hard we try.

That’s why Jesus lived a perfect life in full obedience to the law of God in thought, word, and deed. Jesus’ mission wasn’t simply to die on the cross for our sins but also to live a life of perfect righteousness. Theologians refer to this as the “active and passive obedience of Christ.” Active obedience refers to Christ’s life of sinless perfection. Everything He did was perfect. Passive obedience refers to Christ’s submission to the crucifixion. He went willingly to the cross and allowed Himself to be crucified without resisting (Isaiah 53:7). His passive obedience pays our sin debt before God, but it is the active obedience that gives us the perfection God requires.

The apostle Paul writes, “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe” (Romans 3:21–22). Through our faith in Christ, the righteousness of God is given to us. This is called “imputed” righteousness. To impute something is to ascribe or attribute something to someone. When we place our faith in Christ, God ascribes the perfect righteousness of Christ to our account so that we become perfect in His sight. “For our sake he made him [Jesus] to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Not only is Christ’s righteousness imputed to us through faith, but our sin is imputed to Christ. That is how Christ paid our sin debt to God. He had no sin in Himself, but our sin is imputed to Him so, as He suffers on the cross, He is suffering the just penalty that our sin deserves. That is why Paul can say, “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me” (Galatians 2:20).

By having the righteousness of Christ imputed to us, we can be seen as sinless, as Jesus is sinless. It is not, therefore, our perfection, but His. When God looks at the Christian, He sees the holiness, perfection, and righteousness of Christ. Therefore, we can say with confidence, “I am sinless, as Jesus is sinless.”

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/imputed-righteousness.html#ixzz3HgVPXbmo
http://www.gotquestions.org/imputed-righteousness.html

But lemme ask you, do you agree with everything taught in these "answers" ?

First, let us begin with What is this Good News (The Gospel)? - The too good to be true news of God

Romans 1 Expanded Bible (EXB)
1 From Paul, a ·servant [slave; bondservant] of Christ Jesus. ·God called me [ …called] to be an ·apostle [messenger] and ·chose me [set me apart; appointed me] to tell the ·Good News [Gospel].

2 God promised this ·Good News [Gospel] ·long ago [beforehand; previously] through his prophets, as it is written in the Holy Scriptures.

3 The Good News is about God’s Son. ·As a man [or With reference to his earthly life;  According to the flesh], he was born ·from the family [a descendant; L of the seed] of David [2 Sam. 7:11–14].

The Apostle was given the special mandate to preach the gospel. What then is this gospel he was called to preach, that had been promised afore hand? It is ABOUT THE SON-(of)-GOD. Are we just suppose to be going everywhere saying the gospel is about the Son God? NO!!! He said, the gospel IS about the Son (of) God. So what it is about the Son (of) God that we are suppose to be preach the good new about Him?

Follow me to:

1 Corinthians 15 Expanded Bible (EXB)

Now, brothers and sisters, I want you to ·remember [or be clear about] the ·Good News [Gospel] I brought to you. You received this ·Good News [Gospel] ·and continue strong in it [or and have based your faith on it;  in which you stand].

2 And you are being saved by it if you ·continue believing [ hold firm to] ·what I told you [ the Gospel message I proclaimed to you], unless you believed ·for nothing [in vain; or superficially; or in something of no value].

3 [ For] I passed on to you what I received, which is ·of greatest importance [or the first thing I told you]: that Christ died for our sins, ·as the Scriptures say [ according to the Scripture; Is. 53:5–6];

4 that he was buried and was raised to life on the third day ·as the Scriptures say [ according to the Scripture; Ps. 16:8–11];

This gospel the Apostle called the gospel "is about the Son-God" was further expanded in 1 Corinthians 15 and he said, it is a three-fold in one message contained in the gospel message (about the Son-God) - The DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION of the Son-God.

What is the Apostle saying? Are we just suppose to go everywhere telling people Christ died for our sins, was buried and resurrected? NO!!! So what does the Apostle meant by "died for our sins, was buried and was raised to life..."? Simply put, the Apostle was saying, God, in His Son THROUGH the death, burial and resurrection wrought a finished work of new creation to humanity and by these three-in-one finished works, everyone in Christ has a divine heritage through each act of His finished works, meaning, His death did something for everyone in Christ, His burial did something for us and his resurrection did something for us.

Acts 20:24Expanded Bible (EXB)
[ But] I don’t ·care about my own life [consider my life worth anything]. ·The most important thing [or My only goal] is that I ·complete [finish] my ·mission [task; course;  race; 2 Tim. 4:7; Heb. 12:1], the ·work [ministry; service] that ·the Lord Jesus gave me [ I received from the Lord Jesus]—to ·tell people [testify/witness to] the ·Good News [Gospel] about God’s grace.

King James Bible
But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God

So, this message of the gospel was wrapped ONE GOSPEL called "The Gospel of the Grace of God" (a message including all of Him and none of us); a message of the cross (His death), a message of Baptism (His Burial) and a message of New Life (His Resurrection). Glory to God....Hallelujah!!! By God's divine Grace, I'm ready to promote this gospel of Grace to my generation.

TBC . . . It's going to be a great thread.

OLAADEGBU:
Why Does Christ's righteousness need to be imputed to us? What is imputation? Why, on the basis of Christ's death can God declare us to be righteous?

http://www.gotquestions.org/imputed-righteousness.html

Why again is it that if it is not from, this same "gotquestions.org", it is not always acceptable?

Bidam:
Your "option" is duly noted.Thanks.

You don start. ..my boy... . You no figure out say na "opinion" I wan type.? Post edited. ...

I agree so far with what the brethren said about the good news and I'll like us to explore this gospel in depth. First, my contribution is, the good news in the early church is what was preached by the Apostles and people who heard it had to investigate it because THE PEOPLE WHO HEARD IT THOUGHT IT WAS TOO GOOD NEWS TO BE TRUE GOSPEL because it's not what they are used to hearing.

So, in this thread, we'll be exploring the TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE good news.

2. The revelation of the good news is mostly buried in the book of Romans. If a Christian hasn't study the book of Romans, I personally doubt such understanding the good news. Just my personal opinion though.

Ukutsgp:
ok. Let's see what you got here.

This is gonna be an interesting thread, dining and winning with my old time and good friend, Image123.



Stay tuned.

Following! !!

jdilight:
Yes Abraham was commanded to pay tithe by God, for how would he have known about tithe to such precision.

Do those who pay tithe today own the people they pay tithe to anything?

Check my post on tithe https://www.nairaland.com/1970546/understanding-concept-tithing

Where was Abraham commanded to pay tithes?

How did Abraham owe Melchizedek tithes?

Was it Abraham properties or income as of people of today that he paid tithes from?

jdilight:
Did Abraham pay tithe to a levites priest? and was it agricultural produce in the promised land that he paid as tithe?

It seems your adding to the scripture now.

The first question should be, was Abraham commanded to pay tithes? Did Abraham owe Melchizedek anything?

Ukutsgp:
we need to clarify some things about righteousness.
The Greek word that we translate as righteous is
dike (pronounced, dee-kay ). And while the ancient
Greek meaning was tendency , the use of this word
in the Bible implies justice and conformance to
established standards . Justice means doing the
right thing, and conformance to established
standards (in the Bible) refers to following the
ways of God . So the word righteous can also be
translated as just , since righteousness is so closely
tied to justice.
Here are a few conclusions about what the Bible
says is righteousness, and the scriptures from
which these conclusions have been drawn:
What the Scriptures Say
If you really want to be righteous, you
can be – Matthew 5:6:
'Those hungering and thirsting for
righteousness are blest,
For, they will find satisfaction.'
If you flaunt your righteousness, you
won't be rewarded by God for the good
things you do – Matthew 6:1:
'Be careful that you do not practice,
Your righteousness before other men,
So that they will see what you're doing
Or you will receive no reward,
From your Father in heaven.'
Righteousness involves living for God's
Kingdom – Matthew 6:33: 'Put the
Kingdom and righteousness first, and then
all these other things will be given to you.'
The things you do prove whether you
are righteous – Matthew 11:19: 'Wisdom
is proven righteous by her deeds.'
The things that you say prove whether
you are righteous – Romans 3:4: 'As it's
written: So that you might be proven
righteous by your words and you can come
off victorious when you're being judged. '
Someone who deliberately misleads
others can never be found righteous –
Matthew 12:36:
'And I tell you that on the Judgment Day,
They'll have to answer for all of the things,
Which they've said to lead others astray.
Immoral, unclean, and greedy people
will not be found righteous – Ephesians
5:5: '[For it's easy] to recognize those who
are immoral, unclean, and greedy (which
really amounts to being idol worshipers),
and you know that they won't receive an
inheritance in the Kingdom the Anointed
One and of The God.'
To be counted righteous, you must treat
other righteous people very well –
Matthew 25:37-40: 'Then the righteous will
ask: Lord, when did we see you hungry and
feed you, or thirsty and give you something
to drink? When did we see you a stranger
and take you in, or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you sick or in prison, and
come to your [aid]? And the king will say: I
tell you the truth; When you did it for the
least of my brothers, you also did it for me. '
Righteous people are at peace with
others – James 3:18: 'The seeds of the fruit
of righteousness are planted in peace by
the peacemakers!'
You have to be an honest judge to be
found righteous – John 7:24: 'Quit judging
from the way things look on the surface
judge righteously!'
Righteousness involves standing up for
right things, even if that invites
persecution – Acts 4:19, 20: 'If it's
righteous in God's eyes to listen to you
instead of to God, judge for yourselves. But
we can't stop talking about the things
we've seen and heard.'
A righteous person has faith in God and
His promises – Romans 3:28: 'We believe
that a man is called righteous because of
his faith, not by the works of the Law!.'
True righteousness requires more than
just faith – James 2:24: 'A man is
pronounced righteous by the things that he
does, not by his faith alone.'
To be counted as righteous, you can't be
immoral or continue in a sinful course –
Romans 6:12-14: 'Therefore, don't allow
sin to rule your mortal bodies anymore
and don't obey its desires no, don't offer
your body parts as unrighteous weapons of
sin! Rather, offer yourselves to The God as
people who've been made alive from
among those [who are] dead; and [offer]
your body parts to The God as weapons of
righteousness! So, sin must not be your
master, because you aren't under the Law;
rather, you're under [God's] loving care.'
Most people in the world aren't
considered righteous – 1 Corinthians 6:1:
'Would any of you who think you have
been [wronged] by another dare to take it
to court [to be tried by] unrighteous men,
rather than by the Holy Ones?
Although faith is required to prove
ourselves righteous, speaking about
what we believe is what saves us –
Romans 10:10: 'For, it's this belief in your
hearts that makes you righteous; and it's
your mouths (when they confesses this)
that are saving you.'

Good morning,

You just murdered and panel-beat bible verses. We'll address each of them when I do have enough time.

Ukutsgp:
check 1 John 3:7.

I'm sure you reading English, not Spanish.

Is he saying you're righteous BECAUSE OF THE RIGHTEOUS THINGS YOU DO or he's saying you do RIGHTEOUS THINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHTEOUS?

Grab another translation and read before you reply o.

Ukutsgp:
do u think i formulated it from my head? Is in the bible. I hope u know where it is?

I'm talking to much with you, give us bible verse please. If you're wise, you should know where I'm going and coming from.

PART II: COMING SOON

Righteousness Exalt A Nation.

Ukutsgp:
let no man deceive you; he that doeth righteousness is righteous.

He that DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS? Really? Are you sure what you saying? If yes, provide scriptures please. I hope you're not referring to RIGHTEOUSNESS UNDER THE LAW?

Before we address your questions, can we also ask questions?

If we can, then:

The tithe that Abraham paid, was it IN ORDER TO BE BLESSED or because he WAS ALREADY BLESSED?

2. Did Abraham paid tithes from HIS WORKS, that's what he worked to earn or from ANOTHER MAN PROPERTIES?

3. When and where did Abraham tithe BECAME A LAW TO CHRISTIANS?

4. If tithe was later commanded in the law, do you also agree it is also nullified under the grace dispensation?

Lobeez:
GBAM!
I think they're scared to delve into this discussion for obvious reasons.
Gombs bragged about the good book teaching about Christians giving angels instructions, Oya give examples from the good book na, my guy started talking about GEJ and his orderly

I don laff tire o.....

Bidam:
Who be your boy? A happily married man with two kids na hin be your boy

BTW, since you no like scriptural truth and realities make i use logic puncture you hia..Are you telling me since your penis is circumcised you have falling from grace

See as you dey yeye yourself from world wide web? After you go say my level of comprehension dey low but I no go insult you.

Wetin I tell you about law before as in 3 aspects? There in lies your answers to question you asked me.

Either way, you still be my boy. ...

Bidam:
You see your life? You rushed to comment simply because i punched holes in your poor imitation of a post that lacks insight. Take a vacation with the Holy Spirit..As for you supporting someone who never believes Jesus came in the flesh you are welcome to him..typical fair weather friend.

Bidam my boy... leaf story. Even you that hold fervently to the law, you're my friend and brother. We can't beat ourselves up because we disagree. Face the topic and truth and stop this game.

Bidam:
Of cos as usual spiritual truths are always lost on you..Keep reading letters into scripture. I have already said Jesus has provided Himself as the LAMB for the sacrifice FREELY to us, so no need for a lamb( Lev 12:..moreso we do not need a priest(ofcos in your hurry to justify your "milk doctrine" you forgot to mention that) when we gather to dedicate the child. We are the Holy Priesthood that offer up the SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES ACCEPTABLE TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST( 1 Peter 2:5).So when we appear to present our GODLY SEED(Malachi 2:15) before Jesus the MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, HIS BLOOD SPEAKS A BETTER WORD FOR US,since we are gathered to God the judge of all men together with the first born whose names are written in heaven( Heb 12:22-24).

Believers are SPIRIT BEINGS. Stop interpreting your carnality in to sacred scriptures whether OT or NT.

You forgot to tell you Jesus also dedicated us to God already and that wasn't enough, you have to keep doing it again. How come he only became the sacrifice but didn't become the dedicated fulfilled? I know what that is, cherry picking! !!

And we shall reign in life through this gift of unmerited favor. Glory to God.

Okay. Lemme forget your past. Lemme deal with now....Here's law thread you just started:

https://www.nairaland.com/1967729/some-things-christian-should-not

You just started a "thou shall not" thread.

N.B: Some things you mentioned are sins in the NT but also some are not so where did you get your thou shall not for things you mentioned but are not called sin in the NT or under Grace?

Ukutsgp:
in what aspect do you noticed me doing that?

You don't want me dig up your threads\posts do you?

dein77:
Level of Biblical understanding and maturity differs. It's better when you settle down to reply questions that trouble other.

I'm more confused now than before I created this thread.

Okay. I'll try teach but give me some time. I will do it today if I can. If not, I will do another day, maybe tomorrow.

dein77:
Of course not. What's your point?

My point is, quit calling what God didn't call sin a sin.

dein77:
Of course not. What's your point?

So you understand drunkenness is not same as not consume it at all. Why then do you teach against not consuming alcohol or why can't you buy for yourself or your father if he asks you to?

Ishilove:
Mo fi ra aso lace

Mo mo pe o like lati ma ge gele gogoro.... pelu bata giga.... . Owa nbe kii tan logo e.

dein77:
For obvious reasons: our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and drunkenness leads to other sins.

Drunkenness is not the same as NOT DRINKING ALCOHOL AT ALL. Are they?

Ishilove:
Surplus food?? There was surplus drinks and doughnuts in our branch

Alatenuje

Owo ounje ti mo n fun e o to e abi?

dein77:
If your dad asks you to buy him alcohol, will you?

Before I answer you, do you mind telling us why Christ or any of the Apostles condemn drinking alcohol?

Boomark:
Not my opinion bro, its something in the scripture you have been finding difficult to understand since AD 450 BC.

dein77:
Is it a sin for a Christian to buy alcohol or cigarette for his father? Is he touching an unclean thing?

Sin consciousness sees sin virtually in everything in life. You, who have been made whole by the blood of Christ still think touching a pack of cigarettes will make you unclean. Isn't that ridiculous? But it can become a sin depending on your understanding. ...for whatever is not of faith is sin.