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OLAADEGBU:
Answering those questions will give you the answer to your own kweshions. Simples

You didn't ask me questions first, I did. If you don't answer but choose to answer questions with questions, in a straight and sincere manner, then never mind. I don't have time for games with you but, we will be fine and I'm very sure we'll meet on this subject again and I will pull back this thread on imputation of righteousness - it is the authority of Christ's finished works in\for believers. You have to get this into yourself and accept the scriptures as authority alone.

^ Ola, this is your thread and we can vacate it. If you appreciate people answering your questions, simple answer the questions I asked "as it relates to this thread". We're discussing righteousness not hide-and-seek games. If you're not ready to answer my questions, I will vacate your thread and don't expect me to answer any of your questions too and I will use this thread as reference to my decision.

If na you now, you go dey chase me everywhere say I don run away and Bidam go follow support you.....both of una dumb friends

OLAADEGBU:
Since you don't like answering questions, I'll answer your question with some questions of mine.
1. Can a fish survive outside it's natural habitat?
2. Can a dead fish swim against the current?
3. Is a toddler alive because it oft falls or is it a sign that he is living?
4. As an adult how often do you get toppled over when you are walking?
5. If you fall as an adult do you remain lying on the floor
6. Is falling over a sign that you are dead?
I know that you don't like me quoting Scriptures so that you can beat me with your arguments but that's not going to happen. The Scriptures are the weapon I depend on to defeat the lies of the devil emanating from your end. When I say God's commandments I do not necessarily mean the Mosaic Law. Jesus referred us back to the beginning, to God's Moral Law (decalogue) that is also sanctioned in the OT.

OLAADEGBU:
See how folks fail exams without difficulties. Read properly before jumping to conclusions. I asked you to show me the word grandfather from the authorised version and not from some copyrighted versions. I can understand that infidels often resort to ad hominems when their backs are against the walls.

Again, you are asking a dumb question. All you have to do is go back to same KJV and see how fathers are used IN THE SAME VERSE? Can you have TWO earthly biological father as the same time?

A is the father of B and B is the the father of C. So if the KJV says A is the father of C. Does it mean A gave birth to C? . If father is used for A as to B, is A still a father to C even though same father used? People are reading how you playing dumb now.....

If you have nothing sensible to say, stop wasting people's time. I don't have time making up pages to your thread if you have nothing meaningful to say.

@ Ola,

I'm looking for a reply you lifted the definition of "fornication" as "unlawful sex" and WITHOUT scriptures, you termed\insinuated it to mean "pre-marital" sex. Can you give me the link to that reply. I want to GIVE YOU SCRIPTURES of what the bible called "UNLAWFUL" sex. Please, that's the only meaningful thing I want to respond to, not some circle going you doing here without substance and you're not saying anything either.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you also saying that because the word Grandfather is not written in the Bible there is no such thing called Grandfather?

OLAADEGBU:
I am the one saying that you cannot find the word "Grandfather" written in the Bible just as you cannot find the word "Trinity" especially in the authorised version of the Bible. If your reasoning is because these words do not exist in the bible therefore concepts like these don't exist then your case must be worse than I thought.

You kept ranting about grandfather nonsense as if it's not in the bible. Is this you that wants to talk this topic intensively? I do not mean to insult you but religion had eaten deep into you and make you dey think at least before you say somethings on the world wide web. Here are scriptures mentioning grandfather.....dumb Ola.... . Too much of KJV is killing you....

New International Version
All my grandfather's descendants deserved nothing but death from my lord the king, but you gave your servant a place among those who eat at your table. So what right do I have to make any more appeals to the king?"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For my grandfather's entire family deserves death from my lord the king, but you set your servant among those who eat at your table. So what further right do I have to keep on making appeals to the king?"

International Standard Version
Everyone from my grandfather's household deserved nothing but death from your majesty the king, but you provided a place for your servant among those who have been eating from your table. So what right do I have to ask for anything more from the king?"

NET Bible
After all, there was no one in the entire house of my grandfather who did not deserve death from my lord the king. But instead you allowed me to eat at your own table! What further claim do I have to ask the king for anything?"

2 Samuel 19:28

New Living Translation
At the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, "I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants.

New Living Translation
The neighbor women said, "Now at last Naomi has a son again!" And they named him Obed. He became the father of Jesse and the grandfather of David.

Lemme stop here for that...I have lots of things to do today but just wanna respond to you, since you're thinking I'm dodging. BUT, I have more scriptures o, if you want.....

Bidam:
You actually ran away with your tail between your legs. As far as you are concerned anyone against your views on premarital sex being sexually immoral is following tradition of men. I just dey laff..hehehehehe.

I know say two of una na family.... Abeg, I no wan promote pages for some dumb thread. Let scripture alone be the authority.

OLAADEGBU:
You don't have to be braggadocious, didn't you copy and paste the answer on that righteousness thread? You should have learnt by now that if you point an accusing finger at others your remaining for digits are pointing back at you.

Na now I know say you dumb as anything......

You can't even discern I did that to prove a point? SMH Wetin I wan take your answers from website do while I have the word? Na you be master copy copy and you can't even stand the test\truth of what you copy and paste. SMH for you!!!

OLAADEGBU:
You said premarital sex is not a sin. Answer the objections it takes you almost a month to come back after a lot of heckling and when you are eventually pulled out of hibernation you begin to answer irrelevant questions beating about the bush.

You are one kind funny dude. I have answered this your question on that thread. It's very simple - fornication is a sin BUT pre-marital sex is never mentioned as part of sin of fornication. If you have any objection, go to scripture and let scriptures be the final authority...Sola Scriptura, remember!!!

OLAADEGBU:
I am the one saying that you cannot find the word "Grandfather" written in the Bible just as you cannot find the word "Trinity" especially in the authorised version of the Bible. If your reasoning is because these words do not exist in the bible therefore concepts like these don't exist then your case must be worse than I thought.

First, you yourself agree that "pre-marital" sex doesn't appear in the bible BUT on the other hand, you define it within the context of fornication. So, what we're doing here is, is pre marital sex included in the sin of fornication? BUT it doesn't fall with the sin of fornication. THAT IS THE CRUX OF OUR ARGUMENT OR DISCUSSION HERE. What's I'm saying through scripture is, fornication is a sin BUT pre-marital sex is in nowhere included in the sin of fornication and nowhere in scripture does scripture mentioned pre-marital sex as sin or mentioned as sin of fornication.

I will respond to your previous comment after this.....typing now

OLAADEGBU:
So you agree with Goshen on his stand on premarital sex? What does your tradition say about Paedophiles ministering to you as priests?

Keep quiet there. You're the very one who reject the authority of scriptures alone. The only time we see you argue is just copying one article here and there. You can't discuss no scriptures on you own. Quit this your dumb acts

OLAADEGBU:
The only person propagating falsehood is you who teaches that Christians should no longer obey God's commandment. You need to go back to the thread about sexual immorality that you fled from and answer questions about how premarital sex is biblical.

Stop chasing me with that your dumb thread. You can't prove anything you're saying in sound doctrine. You're the one holding the traditions of men, making the word of God of no effect. I just replied you on the righteousness thread, I will respond to the fornication thread soon, I will need time to write\respond intensively. And if you chase me with that thread again, I will prove to you that, I'm not going to do it as you thought. I will do it at my own time. If you like keep saying I fled but you too, do you sleep on this forum? What makes you think others don't have nothing to do?

OLAADEGBU:
Yes, I agree with the answer. [/color]"[/i] (Revelation 14:12).

Good, you agree in totality with the answers. Now, we're going to dig into the subject of righteousness and we shall pose some questions to you to see whether your heart agrees with the answers as you confessed or just a lip service.

OLAADEGBU:
The Holy Spirit imputes the righteousness of God on all who believes in the finished work of Christ on the Cross. We believe Him for our Salvation, Sanctification and baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I also completely agree agree with the above statement according to scriptures.

OLAADEGBU:
That does not mean that we are now free to take liberty for licence to sin as you have been teaching. If you believe in Jesus you will keep His commandments.

Okay, first, you always carry sin consciousness and just conclude the fornication thread that I'm justifying sin. No, we're doing the Berean. Looking at the things we've been taught if they were true. I will still attend to that thread showing you some stuffs from scriptures.

Back to the this topic, YOU, Ola, you do sin everyday so do I and many Christian around the world. I have TWO questions for you as regards imputed righteousness.

1. "IF" a Christian who believes in the finished works of Christ sin once in a while just like you and I, does this sin unravel Christ's righteousness in you and me? That is, does sin we commit make us loose our righteousness in Christ?

2. "IF" we sin or miss the mark, are we still a sinner even though righteousness in imputed on us?

Now, don't be jumping to conclusion that I'm endorsing sin but we're expounding of the "imputed righteousness" in the finished works of Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15).
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him" (John 14:21).
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Please stop quoting scriptures religiously. You should have out-grown all these by now since I've known you. What is the commandment the scriptures is talking about? Like that of what was given to Moses? We're not going into that for the thread, the context tells you what the commandment is.

New International Version
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:1

New International Version
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Colossians 2:17

In Christianity today, there're so much confusion as regards the New Testament of the Grace of God and the Old Testament of the Law. There're groups of people who teach obedience to the law. Some teach the obedience to "some" aspects of the law where there is gain and profit. Some teach that the law has ceremonial, sacrificial and moral laws but does the bible made such distinctions? We'll find out in this thread\teaching. Many are confused thinking statements of Paul the Apostles meant he was teaching obedience to the law. Statements such as, "the law is holy, good, righteous, spiritual...." or statement such as, "Doesn't the law say the same thing...". The same Paul, the Apostle complete dismiss all intercourse with the Law in its entirety in Romans 7. How then do we see same Apostle saying the law is holy, good, righteous and spiritual? How did the Apostle handled the teachings in the law?

The misapplication is the law is most of our confusion in Christianity today. Many teach the law as observance rather than teaching the reality, which is Christ and his finished works in the Law. This is what we see the Apostle dismissing the law and teaching Christ as the substance & reality in the law. So, then, it is the misapplication of the Law of Moses (basically the teachings contained in the Torah) is what many are confused with and as such, we see ourselves confused - today we're saved by Grace, filled by the Spirit of Grace and we want to go back and live by the teachings of the law. The fight of Paul, the Apostle against the Law keepers in his days was fight against the "observance to the law" but he, Paul, taught the substance, reality and Christ revelation from the law. That is, the Apostle taught the revelation of the finished works of Christ that were spiritual truth contained in the law. Hence, he can boldly say, "the law is spiritual, holy, good and righteous" but he never taught obedience to the law or observance rather he taught, faith in the already finished works of Christ since it is now finished and fulfilled.

Let go into the Law and see for instance what we're talking about:

New International Version
"'Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you.
Exodus 20:24

Many who teach observance to the law will teach church people to bring an offering in the hand in order for God to bless them because this verse says, God will bless you through the sacrifice and offerings. Ladies and Gentlemen, this offerings and sacrifice is the offerings of the body of Christ and his sacrifice on the cross (the altar). Hebrews 10:1 says, "but by the same sacrifice, the people were never made perfect". What then is the sacrifice that made us perfect before God? It is Christ's sacrifice in his finished works on the Cross. This is the substance of the law, the reality, the holy teachings, the spiritual truth contained in the law, the righteous teachings because by this sacrifice, Christ made us righteous before God.

New International Version
And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:10

The law is holy but observance to the law does not make you holy. Christ in His finished works does make you holy. The law is spiritual but does not make you spiritual, Christ does. The law is righteous but doesn't make you righteous, Christ does. The law is good but doesn't make you good, Christ in his finished works does. A Christian is not called to obedience to the law but obedience to the finished works of Christ which the Apostle called "the way of faith" or "faith of the Son of God". (I have scriptures for all of these but I'm running out of time for other activities).

TBC....

omoiseselagba:
this man deserves a bottle of orijin.barman where are you?

My man, my way far oo....across the Atlantic, somewhere in NA.

As much as I agree with the OP in all totality. We must clearly see from new threads that it is not the anti-tithers that are starting the tithe threads and\or argument but the tithe groups. If they keep their lies to themselves, we will be cool. As long as they bring up those scripture twisting, and we're still alive, we will challenge their lies.

They, the tithe teachers are too desperate and we can't let that happen when we know the truth of the gospel. Tithe in our days and time, is like the keepers of the law\Judaizers the Apostle Paul combated in his days. They distort the message of the cross.

tolustx:
It is an indication that u rily nid to work on dos aspects. God bless u!

No, I don't because they don't exist in me. It means, people hate to be told the truth (of the gospel).

Ubenedictus:
I just came from the thread that advises that the Rccg G.O should settle the issue of succession before death. In one of your response there you made reference to a [size=15pt]"babylon system of the world"[/size] and gave the impression that churches are part of it.
My question is simply... What does that mean?

Babylon, just like Egypt was the return of God's people after the land of Israel but also, there's also a return to Christ. That is, from Babylon unto Christ (Mat 1:17). Today, what we see is the church returning against back to Babylon, 1 Peter 5:13 (a system of the world) and the church wants to use this system of the world to run the church of Jesus.

Babylon was described greatly in Rev 17:1-5 BUT you have to read the whole of Revelation chapter 17 & 18 to get the full picture. Babylon is a system of the world that was typified in Rome where Idolatry exist and har.lotry is the system going on then and now. Har.lotry, that is yielding one's self to defilement through the system of the world for the sake of gain. Typically, that is what har.lots and prostitu.tes does. It is a system whereby the church, that is married to Christ (Romans 7:4) gone prosti.tuting and forni.cating with the world system and doing things (abominable things as describe in Revelation) contrary to the Christ, the Bride.

By the church doing these acts, they sell themselves for gain to the system of this world. They've gone roman.cing the world and her system and therefore defiled with the Babylon system which in the long run ends in confusion. Babylon will always end in confusion, which is one of the meaning of Babylon and her system. So, when you see a church adopting the system of the world and had departed (that is, gone har.lotry, roman.cing and forni.cating) with the world, such is nothing but har.lot church.

Take a critical look at today's church (esp. RCCG as this thread applies) and you will see how many uses the pattern of the world's system to operate the church - you will see the church turning herself into family business. The founder dies and hand over to son or wife\husband. They set up HQ and open branches and tell all branches to remit all revenues to MOTHER CHURCH, which in Revelation 17:5 is typified as the MOTHER HAR.LOTS. They operate control of all resources and manpower. They roman.ce themselves with thieves and politicians diluting the truth of Christ, they allowed themselves to be call the "anointed one" which is false Christ, to mention but few etc. Non of these practices are Apostolic doctrines!!!

Anyway, I don dey enter the realm of typing too much. But, when we say this truth, I heard some people say I'm too proud, I do over-sabi etc. Well, we're not ready to sell ourselves to these folks. We'll continue to speak the truth in boldness and according the measure of Grace given to us. Make I stop here my brother. Sure you get the picture.

tolustx:
A message for every true believer
2Timothy 4:1-5(NkJV)

1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Not judging, but Goshen360 and his cohorts look like dos described in verse 3-4. Others things I see in him are:
1. Hatred
2. Oversabi
3. Pride
4. Power-hunger
Pls work on dos and odas dat may also be and it is well wit u.
The Church is marching on and the gate of hell cannot prevail against it! Shalom...

I have heard this too many times. Thanks.

austinvsb1:
N!66a you r either just a bitter hater of the pastor's ministry or a brainwashed attention LovePeddler! For all i care u r prolly not even a christain! You almost got ordained as deacon my foot! And please, mention those names, you have someone in me that will clearly and vividly dispute your claims with evidences beyond your expectations! Your supposed ordination was what year?!!

You're new in this section. People who know me knows my story as I don't hide nothing. I have narrated my rccg background here.

I was full rccg member for 3 years with full dedication, zeal and commitment. My parish then was Offa Central Model Parish. My pastor then, Pastor H.C.Monyeh. Area pastor, Pastor Oladoye, also a lecturer in Fedoffa during between 1996 and 1999. Go and do your findings and come back if I lie against the organization.

These above mentioned, I still have their contact but Pastor Monyeh left rccg to set up his own church. I guess he was tired of rccg bullshit where all revenues had to be remitted to HQ and you leave the church to struggle by themselves. Rccg will only support parishes where they administration knows they will get more returns. Dude, wake up! !! It's all about revenues and income dude. It's all about business and investments. People like me can smell bullshit across the Atlantic.

austinvsb1:
N!66a you r either just a bitter hater of the pastor's ministry or a brainwashed attention LovePeddler! For all i care u r prolly not even a christain! You almost got ordained as deacon my foot! And please, mention those names, you have someone in me that will clearly and vividly dispute your claims with evidences beyond your expectations! Your supposed ordination was what year?!!

You're new in this section. People who know me knows my story as I don't hide nothing. I have narrated my rccg background here.

I was full rccg member for 3 years with full dedication, zeal and commitment. My parish then was Offa Central Model Parish. My pastor then, Pastor H.C.Monyeh. Area pastor, Pastor Oladoye, also a lecturer in Fedoffa during between 1996 and 1999. Go and do your findings and come back if I lie against the organization.

These above mentioned, I still have their contact but Pastor Monyeh left rccg to set up his own church. I guess he was tired of rccg bullshit where all revenues had to be remitted to HQ and you leave the church to struggle by themselves. Rccg will only support parishes where they administration knows they will get more returns. Dude, wake up! !! It's all about revenues and income dude. It's all about business and investments. People like me can smell bullshit across the Atlantic.

^ ^ ^

Don't mind these folks. I was gonna reply the is enigmaotr later. He's talking rubbish. ..

Ubenedictus:
how later is later?

You know we're not on same time zone. I'm at work and can't type much on my phone. You should get a detailed response by tomorrow when you wake up and return to this thread.

Ubenedictus:
this is wierd, so you wont be discussion one of the 5 solas simply because it was presented by Ola?

That's not what I meant. I mean, even Olaadegbu himself don't stand on the authority of scriptures alone. He believes in extra biblical event to justify falsehood. Olaadegbu copies different articles he can't stand to defend when you scrutinize those articles. You know what I'm talking about but if you think I'm lying, try start a topic and see if he stays on authority of scriptures alone.

The same Olaadegbu that will adopt extra biblical event to justify falsehood is here talking about sola scriptura? The day he stop copying from too many sites and learn the word by himself, maybe he will agree with same sola scriptura. That's when we take him serious. ..

I will respond in details later.

louisinemo:
MAL 3:10
HEB 7:5
LUKE 18:12
MATT 23:23
NEH 13:12
NEH 10:37
2 CHR 31:5
DEUT 14:22
DEUT 26:12
LEV 27:31
GEN 14:20

Thank you.

And all those verses talking to CHRISTIANS to pay tithes from their monetary income?

louisinemo:
[s]Jesus did not tell us that we wont see tribulation in the world. In fact if you dont face one challenge or the other, you are not a christian. But He went further to say that we should be of good cheer because He has overcome the world. He promise us victory. Even Jesus himself was not immuned from tribulation. He faced it and overcame.[/s]

By His stripe you are healed.

I know that by his stripes, you're healED. That's why I told, it's not because you paid tithes that makes you healed, IT IS BECAUSE OF HIS STRIPES and you just confirmed it..

smartleo:
This guy is sincerely ignorant.

Show me how please.

louisinemo:
one thing I want youto understand is that we have failed to take God by his word. It is not by work. it is by the amount of God's word you are able to tap into. You may serve God and still feel like God is far away from your because you fail to understand the potency of His word if you believe. I lift up my word more than my name says God.

So it is the word of God that tells you, A CHRISTIAN to pay tithes? I thought you're not permitted to fall sick in the first place BECAUSE YOU PAY TITHE. I thought you're promised immunity from sickness by paying tithe.

lomprico:
Well, that's how the church is supposed to be run na. The remittance to d HQ is for support and opening new parishes (evangelism). Unless d HQ is not doing that.

Where did you learn that's how church is supposed to be run? From the Apostles or the early church?

cautious:
You are right sir! Paul held the churches accountable to their doctrines, not their money. Preach Christ, he told them but he didn't set up a structure to control their money. Where that is practiced today, it is out of apostolic order.
Yes, Paul raised offerings for the Judean Christians due to a crisis situation they had and took the money back to Jerusalem from gentile churches but he didn't institute a scheme to collect funds from the churches. They gave to him as they purposed in their hearts. No compulsion, no 10% mandatory collection etc. Just freewill donations

Good to hear from you brother. It's been a long time. I'm doing really good.

One of our greatest challenges is with the our brethren who had been wrongly taught but never questioned what they were taught. This is the problem with today's church. The word never told us to lord over the sheep of God and rccg leadership is doing the exact opposite to the words of the Master

Bluffly:
I'm open to learning

Okay sir,

I hope I can do this but not now. I'm typing from my phone. Maybe later, hopefully. But, look up the word "bewitched" in the Greek and see for yourself.