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MFM calling down fire on enemies since 25 years ago and not teaching the truth of the gospel but mixtures plus traditions of men. .. . Happy 25th anniversary. ...

You got a good message for us but enemies of THE CROSS OF CHRIST are those who teach contrary TO WHAT CHRIST ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE CROSS. Those who dilute law (works, self efforts) with the grace of God. Those who frustrate the finished works of Christ on the cross and don't acknowledge it.

But YOU, Ukutsgp, are still teaching the law IN SOME CASES perhaps, where or where not convenient. You haven't disengaged completely but you sometime mix law and grace together. That's hypocrisy brother. ..

Gombs:
I Don't work with Diamond Bank anymore, I moved on to something more profitable! Bankers dey try sha, that na suffer suffer job, not that I'm saying it's bad.. I am not in Jos, I work away from there... my parents are there though, would go see them by December, meehn, Jtown!
If only you knew how I got some details, if only you knew! For example, unlike you, I never went through Goshen's posts, I simply stumbled on it on google while searching for grass cutters!
Your opinion is noted!
Can we get back to the book?

It's okay brother. We might disagree but you still be my boy.... . God lift people in life and many are experiencing such. You, me and many here and around the world are evidence of such. It's good to hear you moving higher in life too. Homecoming for me, next year, hopefully we'll meet.

If you want any help or information on Grasscutter farming, I still get anointing for that area o. . I can be of help anytime if you don't mind anyway.

asudan:
Abeg dedicate your child afterall unbelievers does that and Jesus was also dedicated . There's nothing wrong dedicating your child to God because children are heritage to their parents. Don't be moved by those satanic agent coming to nairaland to cause confussion here and saying we're not under the law. There aim is to make believers believe more of the apostolic teaching especially stressing on irrelevant things and use this medium to draw people away from God by causing confussion. They very intelligent with the scriptures and can be classified as Pharisees of our time. Be vilgilant because our adversary the devil is roaming like a wounded lion seeking for people to deceive. We're in the last days and some many doctrines will start springing up and even the elect (Believers) will fall for it.

As you advised him to go ahead and dedicate his child please don't forget to advise him to do that with the sacrifice also commanded in the law of Moses. He, Bidam know the sacrifice commanded for child dedication. ..so no one needs to tell him what they are.

You're fallen from Grace all you who wants to go back into obedience to the laws of Moses and Christ has become of no effect to you.

[quote author=WinsomeX post=27469366][/quote]Thanks WinsomeX. That thread was about a family business I started BEFORE coming to the States. It's an old thread back then. I don't know Gombs intension but I don't think he meant it for evil because someone replied that old thread asking me a question which I just saw it anyway today.


But Gombs statement that he doesn't know what I look like, maybe he still think I'm that old farmer that now lives in the States . God had blessed and raised me beyond my very own thoughts.

BabaGnoni:
Some great length you went to simply what to show or prove a point. What an effort.
No one is fooled, yall usual way of doing things, especially, when on the receiving end, is to launch covert attacks
- the Goshen360 one and Bidam's remark, done out of desperation, are examples

Thanks. Happy Sunday and let's move on.

@ Gombs, vooks and BabaGnoni,

What post did Gombs drew my attention to an old thread? U tried going back on the pages but can't find non. Can anyone point me to it so I can address it.

ochiosa:
This animal can mate its sister or mother like goat monkey cat and others. What i want to ask is if they spill blood like dog when they are read to mate?

No they don't. They show signs of readiness for mating however...e.g, mounting on each other.

...and all these things shall be added unto you.

What is so powerful about this God's righteousness that it adds all things in life to you? The Father gave gift to all those who will come to Him through Christ. The Son gave gift to men also and the Spirit gave gifts to believers. Righteousness is the Father's authoritative gift. It is given to you by\through Christ and imputed to by faith in the finished works of Christ not in doing works the law of Moses demanded\required. This is God's way of making people right with Himself, not man trying to make himself right with God because man will have something to boast of should man's way work.

New International Version
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ - Romans 5:17

Listen, do you want to reign in life? And all these things added unto you? There's a gift of righteousness in Christ that declares you righteous before God and the devil cannot accuse of anymore. The Devil stands in guilt against you but you declare by faith in the finished works of Christ, I am the righteousness of God in Christ. This is the righteousness of God that Christ was teaching "into the future" to these Jews but they never understood His teachings.

Receive God's gift of righteousness today in and through Christ and all other things shall be added unto you and you shall reign in life.

Romans 10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

10 Brethren, [with all] my heart’s desire and goodwill for [Israel], I long and pray to God that they may be saved.

2 I bear them witness that they have a [certain] zeal and enthusiasm for God, but it is not enlightened and according to [correct and vital] knowledge.

3 For being ignorant of the righteousness that God ascribes [which makes one acceptable to Him in word, thought, and deed] and seeking to establish a righteousness (a means of salvation) of their own, they did not obey or submit themselves to God’s righteousness.

4 For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him.

5 For Moses writes that the man who [can] practice the righteousness (perfect conformity to God’s will) which is based on the Law [with all its intricate demands] shall live by it.

6 But the righteousness based on faith [imputed by God and bringing right relationship with Him] says, Do not say in your heart, Who will ascend into Heaven? that is, to bring Christ down;

When Christ said "seek ye first the kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS". He's not teaching "seeking" as fulfilling a requirement\demand which was what the law was all about and that was already going on as a practice so he wasn't telling them to continue doing what they were doing if it was a good\perfect course. How do we know that? Paul, the Apostle explained that according to revelation - Romans 10:2, Israel had already being seeking to establish their own righteousness and would not submit to God's righteousness. So Christ was teaching these Jews to seek God's kingdom and God's way of righteousness.

Christ is God's righteousness as a gift to save the Jews and the world. Christ is the works that wrought the righteousness of God. What Paul the Apostle was teaching is, Israel like many today are still doing something to get right with God (doing the demands\requirements of the law) but Christ had already done the fulfillment\requirements\demands of the law. So, in Christ through faith in His finished works, we are made right with God.

New International Version
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous - Romans 5:19

New International Version
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption - 1 Corinthians 1:30

This is nothing but a radical statement! You did nothing to be a sinner, it was by the disobedient of one person, Adam. In the same manner, you can do absolutely nothing to be made right back to God, it is through Christ and Christ is the righteousness which you must receive as a gift of God that in doing that, "all these things will be added to you"

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

The sermon on the mount took many dimensions and one of such is the statement above. The religious church had given many interpretations to this verse by our Lord and we had been taught to do something as requirements to getting "all these things" which shall be added unto us. They had taught us to come to church more, join one unit or more in the church, pray more, fast more, give alms more, attend more religious functions\programs\conventions, go to the mountain more etc. All of these things are good but are they in the context of "...God and his righteousness"? Is the Lord saying this "seeking" should be done as a requirement\demand or as in order to find out something by thinking, meditating, reasoning, to enquire into, aim at, strive after? We shall continue and find out.

Christ is the mediator of the new testament and such, all new testament teachings by the Apostles are revelations of Christ messages after His finished works and Christ revealed truth of most of His messages\teachings to them most things meant in His teachings. Luke 24:27, Ephesians 3:1-5.

Christ's audience at this time of the above statement were the Jews who are under the regulations of the Mosaic law. One of the missions of Christ was that, he was sent to save and\or to redeem his people (the Jewish) from their sins, specifically talking about the Jews who at this time was under the law (Matthew 1:21, Galatians 4:4-5) and so, his teachings was radical towards redeeming these people who are soaked in the law of Moses. Over the time, they (the Jews) have established their own righteousness which is different from God righteousness that Christ in our opening text called "and his righteousness". So, what do we have going on here: there's righteousness that the Jewish people established for themselves geared towards doing something towards making themselves right with God and there is God's own righteousness (kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS) of how He makes people right with Himself.

Bidam:
Ok Godwin, if you have finished venting your diatribe about what the law is and what is not lemme know, so i can sleep. Tommorrow na church o.

I don finish joor. Go sleep. I wan start another thread to do a teach joor. You will learn one of two pertaining to what we're saying here, not that I'm motivated to do the teaching by this thread but I already have some topics to address.

Bidam:
Lol@ taking people back to the Law, i even have an understanding of the law so no need to belabour the point.

My question is since John's baptism came under the Law should it also be discarded just like you are advocating discarding a simple ceremony like dedication?

1. Yes, you're taking people back into the law and so doing, you frustrate the finished works of your Master and make yourself\people following you a sinner. Bidam, if you have understand of the law, you will put it in right perspective. The law as a (1) practice\means of justification\observance\acts of worship is different from the (2) law as a way of life and also the law is different (3) as a shadow which Christ is the substance\reality. You are teaching it as (1) mentioned. If you start teaching it as (3), then is when you catch the revelation of the purpose of the law.

2. What has John the Baptist got to do with child dedication we're talking about? John came also still under the law. My point is, understand John's message in the dispensation it was preached and rightly divide the word of truth, you will catch the revelation of what I'm saying. Again, if you or anyone is going to practice child dedication, do it according to how the word says: as mentioned in the law of Moses and don't try to change\substitute turtledove and pigeons for anything just like crops, animals and agricultural products are tithe items AS MENTIONED IN THE LAW.

Bidam:
Since our brothers say tithe is old testament law and should be as such discarded in churches,should child dedication also be discarded in churches? I need you views.

Bidam, the problem is NOT what we say but what the complete revelation\truth of the word says. The word says, if you're going to practice the law, you must practice the whole. You can't pick some and discard some. This is the gospel truth we've been teaching for ages. I call on you to embracing the gospel of Grace....not based on works which the law is based on works.

That's why we also discard child dedication as it pertains to the law. It is not a Christian constitution. The Christian constitution is Apostolic doctrine which Christ's teaching was the foundation. So, you have to understand everything Christ taught in the light of the revelation of what He (Christ) finished and revealed to Paul and other Apostles. That's what is called, Apostolic doctrines.

New Living Translation
All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer.

If tithe is to be practiced in churches, let it be practiced ACCORDING TO THE LAW and if child dedication is to be practiced in churches, let it also be done according to the law so we know these churches are practicing full law and make void the Grace that came by Christ. So, in essence, when we discard tithe and also child dedication, we're not cherry-picking scriptures....we're not picking only the ones that suits us maybe because of advantages of gain. But you and I know, child dedication is never and will never be done as STRICTLY STIPULATED IN THE LAW SO ALSO IS TITHE PRACTICE. So, all are nailed to the Cross of Christ. We're not obedient to the law but to the faith of the Son of God who loved us and gave Himself for us. Hence, we preach CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED!!!

Bidam:
The only place i see Paul talked about children is:

Ephesians 6:4:

"fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord." God's instructions are plain.

The above scripture is simple. How parent bring up their children in the Lord. It is different from what you defined child dedication to mean and don't forget child dedication GOES ALONG WITH A SACRIFICE ACCORDING TO THAT WHICH IS SAID IN THE LAW OF THE LORD, A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVE OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS...... . So Bidam, if this scripture by Paul is referring to child dedication, do I BRING MY CHILDREN UP IN THE TRAINING AND INSTRUCTION OF THE LORD BY ALSO BRINGING A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVE OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS, every time I train my children? Obviously, that scripture got nothing to do with child dedication but how a parent bring up their child.

Bidam:
A. There is nowhere in scriptures that Paul discussed to the early churches about child dedication

B. but i believe the early church practiced it strictly in principle from the mosaic laws

C. ( i stand to be corrected sha)

D. as well as marriages which is also copied from OT scriptures.

a. Bidam, if you agree that THERE IS NOWHERE PAUL taught child dedication to churches,why are you adding to what is written and teaching it to people in accordance with the law? Do you think Paul taught acts of worship according to the law to Gentile Christians? This your statement is "an assertion" in an attempt to adding to what is written by the Apostolic Grace and you don't have to teach it if the Apostles never taught it.

b. Statement (a) is contradicting statement (b). If you believe Paul never taught it, where do you then see from scriptures early church practicing it....AND STRICTLY IN PRINCIPLES FROM MOSAIC LAW. Do you not know that the whole book of Hebrews is tearing down the Jewish\Mosaic regulations down? What you are doing is rebuilding the Mosaic that was tore down and this, according to scripture is what makes you a sinner\transgressor:

Galatians 2:18Amplified Bible (AMP)

18 For if I [or any others who have taught that the observance of the Law of Moses is not essential to being justified by God should now by word or practice teach or intimate that it is essential to] build up again what I tore down, I prove myself a transgressor.

c. We correct you but the bitter truth is, you're a hardcore to the law. Romans 7....in Amplified version tells you to disengage every intercourse with the law and marry Christ....which have the reality\substance. You should divorce the law, see Christ in the law and teach Christ as the reality of the law not as practice or observance. That's when you will appreciate the purpose of the law. There's absolutely nothing in the law that Christ had not already fulfilled because it is all about doing something to meet God's requirement but man can't so Christ did. if Christ already did, why are you still trying to do what is already done?

d. Is another error. The Apostles never pulled Christian doctrine from the law on Marriage - It is from the relationship of Christ and the church being His bride.

Bidam:
Child dedication is the act of giving back to God the gift he has given you as parents. It is an act of worship, thanksgiving, dependence, trust, and commitment. The practice of child dedication has been modeled throughout the Bible.

The above is what the Babylon church taught and it is not the complete truth\revelation of God but partial. You can't give back to God what he had given you. For instance, God gave Christ to you and the world, did you, Bidam gave Christ back? If you give back to God what he gave you, you never accepted it in the first place...then it is not a gift. When someone give you a gift, do you turn around asking the person HOW MUCH YOU OWE HIM or do you just accept the gift and thank the person? You're violating many scriptures simple because you soak yourself much in the OT which contain more God dealing with Jewish nation and unrealized, you're studying the dealings of God under a dispensation of Jewish people and applying it to Christianity.

b. Many Children was dedicated under the law but they erred from God's will....was dedication not working or the parent of those child not instruct them in the way of the Lord? E.g, Samson, sons of Eli etc.

Bidam:
A Baby Dedication [size=15pt]is a ceremony[/size] in which believing parents, and sometimes entire families, make a commitment before the Lord to submit a child to God's will and to raise that child according to God's Word and God's ways.

True, it is a ceremony under the Mosaic ONLY TO A BELIEVING PARENT WHO BELIEVES IN THE LAW OF MOSES. I believe EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES, BUT THEY WEREN'T WRITTEN TO ME NEITHER WAS IT WRITTEN TO ANY CHRISTIAN. These laws are shadows and shades and the REALITY....Bidam is IN CHRIST. Your error is, you are teaching the law as a MEANS TO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND ACT OF WORSHIP instead of teaching the law as a finished works of Christ....that is, teaching the law AS CHRIST THE REALITY OF THE LAW.

See how Christ dedicated us to God....in Himself,

1 Corinthians 1:2Expanded Bible (EXB)

2 To the church of God in Corinth [ an important city in southern Greece; Paul started the church on his second missionary journey, around ad 52; Acts 18], to you who have been ·made holy [sanctified; dedicated/set apart to God] in Christ Jesus. You were called to be ·God’s holy people [ saints] with all people everywhere who pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ—·their Lord and ours [ theirs and ours]:

So guess what, If I'm dedicated to God IN CHRIST, what do you think offspring that comes out of me will be? Dedicated to the Devil? In the NT, not until you DO A CEREMONY to dedicate a child unto God BEFORE that child is dedicated. This truth is Apostolic doctrine here.

Bidam:
Luke 2:22-24. "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons."

First of all, Bidam, you need to understand God's time clock AND\OR IN GOD'S DISPENSATION. If you refuse to understand this truth in the word, you will continue to err in scripture interpretation. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are considered NT but the events are STILL UNDER THE LAW OR IT IS STILL OT.

2. Jesus had no say over his parent presenting him to the Lord as dedication. He's already part of the Godhead, he doesn't need dedication but this is what his parent believed in which Jesus do not have any say on that AS HE IS JUST A NEW BORN BABY. Could he as a new born baby spoken to his parent not to dedicate him? Certainly not!!!

3. The same scripture you quoted clearly mentioned, the practices of the law of Moses was still in effect. That should tell you that they (including the parent of Jesus) were still under the law, the practice of the law of Moses was still in effect and Luke is not a NT for Christian doctrine.

3b. The purpose of the law was for Christ to fulfill it - Hence, his messages are to those (audience) under the law so that He can redeem them who are under the law, Galatians 4:4-5. After Christ died, fulfilled the law and nailed it to the cross, is it this same law of Moses that Christ redeem people from that you, Bidam is teaching to take people back into that law. Do you see how you are frustrating the finished works of Christ? If that law was okay for man, why would Christ redeem them from that law?

4. If you're teaching Child dedication which WAS God's will AT THAT TIME AND DISPENSATION OF LUKE 2 BUT NOT GOD'S PERFECT WILL AT THIS DISPENSATION, then are you also teaching the full sacrifice ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES? That child dedication said,

And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Don't tell us that we're in the modern age and our "pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons" is to be replaced by monetary offerings etc. You will outrightly be doing a damage to that law in the word of God. God had moved from law to HIS GRACE but you are still sitting on the mountain where God already moved. You can't partially do the law on one hand and on the other hand practice God's unmerited goodness, you will be what Christ called, neither cold nor hot.

One thing that first came to mind when this thread started is exactly what is happening here. That is, one person....Gombs, like the offshoot of the offspring of Hagin come up to discuss a book written by the one who their pastors model after and guess what, the members of these offspring of Hagin will do all things possible to stand my their grandpa in faith.

I put it in a better way, imagine Oyedepo, Oyakhilome, David Ibitoye or what is called and the likes modeled after Hagin and sells\promotes Hagin's materials in their bookstores and also mentioned acts of Hagin in their messages....what do you expect the members of Oyedepo church to do when Hagin is being called out or scrutinized? Your guess is as good as mine?

But our differences don't divide us but we will continue to examine what any man of God teaches and wherever he errs, we call him out.

Bidam:
SMH! Person quote bible..e don automatically become judaism..this guy and his level of reasoning sha! OK God dey!

I only said that for just talk I WILL STILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS LATER WHEN I'M DONE WORKING.

Bidam, you are soooo soaked in Judaism but you think christianity is Judaism extended with Jesus as an addition. That's why you keep using the old to interpret the new. Christ came to CHANGE the whole Judaism to Christianity and He, Christ taught a whole new way but you, Bidam is still stucked in the old way and you're into the babylon church but might not know it. However, babylon means CONFUSED church, not an insult on your person. Get out of Babylon brother! !!

Bidam:
Ok o. What is your understanding of being born again? Is it spiritual or physical? Are there Laws governing the "spirit world"?

I will address your question intensively later.

Lobeez:
Hey guys, I'm sorry if this will be considered as trolling but something caught my attention on channels TV this morning while watching David Ibiyomies Hour of Salvation. During the intro I saw a short clip of what looked like him performing the 'Lengthening the short Leg' miracle. I quickly went to youtube to see if there was a video of him doing that and voilà! I saw this:

Never knew the leg growing scam from Kenneth Hagin, A A Allen and others is still practiced today even in Naija Wow!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlj5bFBiVD0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZcW28JrC0

If these are the kinds of so called "miracles" going on in christianity, then we're in trouble from the hands of these wolves in the midst of the sheep.

Gombs:
yet he paid tax, did Jewish traditions, washed himself as they did, but he did not tithe rather he asked the real jews (pharisees) to. Weldone o

Can't help but ask God to forgive you guys. ..The way you people add to and twist the word of God is just terrible.

mbaemeka:
1. The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. If Jesus didn't condemn it but instead encourage people to do it, then it must mean that he too did it or else he would have been a hypocrite and he was not.

2. The bible says Jesus fulfilled the law. If he was fulfilling the law he must have obeyed the tithing aspect of the law after all, by Jewish customs Jesus was already a son of the law at age 12. I don't need to tell you all it entails to qualify as the son of the law.

I believe you can do better than what you wrote up there. C'mon now

We, CHRISTIANS are not under ANY Jewish regulations whatever. The problem with the church is, they refused to study their own constitution going back into the law. The NT and Apostolic message doesn't teach child dedication. It shouldn't be made a CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.....ROMANS 7 says We have no any intercourse with the law whatsoever.

Bidam:
Can you quote a scripture to support this? That the abrahamic covenant was nullified? Scripture pls? Not side talks or eisegesis.

Bidam my boy, you know I love you but sometimes, you dey act dumb......

Where did Mark said ABRAHAMIC COVENANT WAS NULLIFIED? What's wrong with you Bidam? Most you see tithe in everthing ni? Read what Mark said and re-read what you said...... Was Abrahamic covenant ENTERED INTO BECAUSE HE PAID TITHE?

Gombs:
Smarten up na, wasn't Jesus a Jew?

Abeg keep quiet if you can't answer this question. Do I need to teach you that Jesus CAME TO SHOW A NEW WAY.......to us as against the Jewish way of life? Allow Emeka to answer the kweshun please. No make me explode o....

Gombs:
You could not (not did not) belive Hagin in writting, how would you me?

Yesterday, for example, i got 6 shirts 3 trousers that'd have cost 40-50k for just 3k!


Yes, 3k. Unbelivable right? #LessExpenses . God knows i use my personal cash for cell ministry and tithes, etc

abeeeegi, time for morning prayers jare

So you cheap like this?

If I send you some $$$ now, na tithe you go go carry am pay instead make you buy better cloth for body or shop better food. Ol boy, you dey fall hands o. So because you dey pay tithe na eim make way for 3k trousers instead of 40k? Chei, see as you dey expose yourself. One would think your paying tithe will bring blessings and increase you so you can efen pay cash down 50k.

But me I no dey boast o but I don buy brand new car, tear rubber without paying tithe and I have good job in the State and God is gracious to me.....I can't boast or take credit for it boy!!! Learn from this apostle of God's unmerited and underserved favour...boy I'm telling you mehn.

Gombs:
[size=20pt]Tithing Brings the Promised Blessings of God[/size]

Well, immediately the income of the church tripled! Without any special emphasis or pull, there was a generous response when we passed the offering plate. Even sinners started paying their tithes. There were two ladies in the church who were married to unsaved men. These two men would come to church with their families on Sunday night.

The very next day after I preached on tithing, one of these men stopped by the parsonage. "Brother Hagin," he said. "My wife and I talked about your sermon on the way home last night. We believe that God will bless us if we obey His Word. I just got off my first bales of cotton so I wanted to stop by and pay out tithes."

Well, those unsaved fellows kept on paying their tithes. And it wasn't long until both of them got saved and filled with the Spirit. Their families were blessed too. Later, one of the wives was called to preach, and the family went out on the field to minister. The last account I had of them, they were traveling about and evangelizing.

In my more than sixty-five years of ministry, I've heard thousands of testimonies from people who have practiced God's biblical plan of returning a tenth of their income to Him through the local church. A great many of them, in the beginning, weren't sure how they could get by on the remaining ninety percent of their income when they had been barely making it beforehand. But somehow they did. Oh, it wasn't always easy. It required patience, determination, faith, and some time.

But if they persisted, the promised blessings came. Sometimes they noticed that God had "rebuked the devourer" in their lives—the car or the appliances didn't break down as often or the kids weren't sick as much, resulting in fewer medical bills.
If they worked in construction or as farmers, bad weather didn't keep them off the job. Then many times, extra income would come from totally unexpected sources. Perhaps they would get a raise, some overtime hours, or maybe even a bonus! Others reported that they got an insurance settlement, collected on an old debt, or received an inheritance. ***Some folks will think Hagin is lying or it was God just being fair

The bottom line was that when they paid their tithes, they had more financially and did better. And most people were also blessed spiritually with a closet walk with God, physically with better health, and mentally and emotionally with a greater sense of joy and well-being. The Bible says, "The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it" (Prov. 10:22).


*** the blessing aren't necessarily monetary, for me, i get less expenses in ALL things and crazy gifts, including cash . Oya, food don done, where are shedemidemi and Goshen and others ? Lobeez, vooks are somewhat lost. Come give you theories

This is nothing but obedient to the law and legalism. I taught you and Hagin had wanted to teach something new but sooner, it is still drawn from same Malachi and hence, you tell us we tithe BY FAITH? Do you not know that you can't practice the law BY FAITH? First, this is what your Hagin said and I quote:

"Making a New Testament application of Old Testament technicalities violates every principle of Bible interpretation,... ..." Hagin.

Now, let's use this same principle to interpret the word of God because the NT is the complete revelation of God. Does the NT teach that Tithing Brings the Promised Blessings of God?

New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

New Living Translation
All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ.

We are not blessed BECAUSE we do something...in this case, pay tithe to attract blessings. We are blessed BECAUSE WE ARE IN CHRIST. When Hagin and you copied this obedience to the law as a means of receiving the promised blessings, you violate the call to faith. Obedience to the law is NOT the same as obedience to THE FAITH....faith in the finished works of Christ.

The moment you and Hagin mentioned "rebuking devourer"....it means, you're not talking about Abraham tithe per say, you and Hagin only used that as camouflage. You're actually teaching obedience to the law....doing something IN ORDER TO RECEIVE SOMETHING FROM GOD as against faith in what's already done. Romans 1:5

New Living Translation
By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence.

By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life........By his divine power, meaning, under this NT agreement, it HIS GIFT and blessings got nothing to do with you....it is according to HIS DIVINE POWER. You and Hagin are returning Christians to works, self performance and doing something to MAKE WHAT IS ALREADY DONE TO HAPPEN. Hey, but when Peter was like you guys, in pretense, Paul rebuked him

Finally, both Melchizedek and law tithe are nullified and ended in Hebrews 7. So, Hebrew 7 is the nail it to the Cross Apostolic teachings that ended tithe - pre law and law tithing!!!

mbaemeka:
1. Jesus did not FUNCTION as a priest on earth. Jesus is now a high priest forever. [size=20pt]Jesus paid tithes while on earth.[/size]
2. Melchizedek did not collect tithes "where he was able to use it". You don't know enough about Melchizedek to make such a statement.
3. Jacob learned to pay tithes from someone, care to tell us who it was? I wager he learnt it from his father, Isaac.

NB: I am not interested in this endless tithe arguments. I just wanted to raise red flags to some of your unsubstantiated claims.

Please, where did Jesus PAID tithe while on earth?