₦airaland Forum

nlMediator:
I don't think I have the time or strength to go through this dance with you again. Just show me where the Bible encourages people to engage in premarital sex or says it's Ok. Just point me to where the Bible says that if two people are committed to each other, they're free to engage in sex without marriage. If there's no scripture to back it up, simply say so. Telling me what is included in the definition of fornication is to argue from silence - which is what you repeatedly reject here. Unless you're do-as-I-say-but-not-as-I-do?

Spirituality has a lot to do with the quality of koral life one lives and sexual immorality is included in the definition of morality. I guess you are ready to quote scriptures to me about what it takes to grow spiritually. Great! Before you do so, just quote the scriptures on the permissibility of premarital sex first. Or are you going to argue for spiritual growth based on silence too?

What you asked me to do IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING....maybe you and others are not seeing it. Your brother in partnership also said the same but uses same to argue against premarital sex. I have shown you scripture that says THIS SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE as defined by the religious church is NOT PREMARITAL SEX......it is sex outside AN EXISTING MARRIAGE. Can it therefore be both?

I know what "sexual immoralities" are and I'm not going beyond what is written. Spirituality go to know with the word in you and your fellowship with the Spirit. You can't have more than that.

The OP is 100% right.

I was once a member of RCCG before I left their Babylon (confused and diluted) state. Thank God He, God took me out. RCCG and her leadership thinks they are doing God and favour or thinks they are working for\with God, not knowing the mind of God neither are they preaching the gospel of Christ.

To set the record straight. I was a strong member in RCCG, Offa Central Model Parish a.k.a Winners' Parish. It was pastored then by Pastor Monyeh and the Area Pastor then, Pastor Oladoye. I'm talking about far back in 1999. The story narrated by the OP is exact - Mostly or most part of donations are all sent to the HQ leaving little or nothing for the parish to survive on.

We struggled so much that many of us closer to the Pastor had to make so much sacrificial giving from money given to us to take for our schooling and the end of each semester, we are left brook. RCCG will never come to put their money from HQ in any parish they know income or return of tithe will not be huge. That tells you the leadership....Pastor Adeboye is all about business and investment...hence, the proliferation of RCCG mushroom parishes all over the street....because of the returns.

This parish I'm talking about started from classroom in a primary school and I was part of it. We, the student had to put in all our resources to make it happen. We later got a building that was in the middle of dumpster and sometimes, we're in service and snakes will visit us.....opelope anointing....

Back to point,

There's nowhere in scripture where churches are established by Apostle Paul and all tithes\revenues or most incomes had to be remit to Apostle Paul HQ. The eyes of understanding of our people need to open!!! Pastor Adeboye had erred in this decision and certain not in the Father's business because the whole system is corrupt and unbiblical.

OLAADEGBU:
He no longer believes God's commandments, it's a disease called antinomianism.

Listen to what you said yourself not up to 48 hours.....

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"
Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

^^^ From you, the most confused one. Again, I asked....if the bible doesn't give us premarital sex as fornication. WHY do you and your religious fellows say premarital sex is included in the sin of fornication....GREEK, porneia

Image123:
Gosh is a deceived fellow, i warned him before he went loose as it were. Deuteronomy 22 nko?

Go and sit down somewhere please. You teach Mosaic law to Christians and cause the brethren to fall from Grace. Who is more confused and deceived?

New International Version
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

New Living Translation
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.

The above is simple English. Is Deuteronomy 22 part of whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law or not? Does it apply to Christians? How many of the OTHER LAWS in THE SAME CHAPTER 22 DO YOU OBEY TODAY? You're following the Babylon Church.....get out of it!!!

nlMediator:
[s]Could it be the guy is not really serious but simply pulling people's legs? About the last time he was on this unfortunate journey, he chickened out and left some people thinking that he retracted his views on premarital sex. Good thing he's setting the record straight again. Imagine, this is the person often on other people's neck when they propose a practice not explicitly taught or practiced by the early church. He would nullify it immediately based on scriptural silence. Yet, he's eager to establish a doctrine based on silence. After moons of writing, he still cannot point to one scripture where God, Jesus or the apostles asked or encouraged anybody to engage in premarital sex. Or indulge in his cockamamie idea that people can sleep unmarried so long as they're committed.[/s]

Just show me where the Bible says that and I'll believe you.

Meanwhile, if anybody thinks he can develop and maintain a strong spiritual life while engaging in premarital sex, they fool nobody but themselves. The results will most likely show eventually.

So, what have I been showing you and people? Movie? I'm very sure you're a smart person and you should have understood my simple point since we've discussed this issue on this forum. But just incase you don't, the simple point is, no where does the scripture include premarital sex as an act of fornication. If you find any, you show us please.

2. Spirituality has nothing to do with premarital sex as condition for spiritual growth. The basis for spiritual growth and spirituality are enumerated in the word. I can't understand why you people can't talk scripture but you all are talking sentiments and emotions.

Gombs:
Save that for newbies.... we've been through it all

Oh, you scared of someone exposing these lies of "balanced approach to biblical prosperity? A balanced approach indeed. It's not different from same legalism others use to deceive church people and you people are fallen from Grace going back to legalism and mixing law with faith.

@ Gombs,

I will show you from scriptures, the foolishness of this your tithe teaching adopted from Hagin. Stay alert! !!

Gombs:
Ah! the only sensible post so far after my Tithe post from the book Hagin wrote.

Hagin highlighted the law MERELY regulated tithing, and we tithe by faith (a fact you attacked me and Joagbaje for) check the tithes and offering thread. Now, If churches are not to tithe, how then should they raise funds? Offerings and free willed donations alone? right? ok

from what Hagin wrote, you think he missed it? if so, kindly point them out

Go into scriptures, the NT...See how the early churches WAS ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING OR MOST THINGS WITHOUT RECORD OF ONE SINGLE TITHE COLLECTED. That's what we should stay with, NOT ADDING TO THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD.

Gombs:
alright folks, i have been busier today, would upload tonight ... and a little change, our next topic is Chapter 4: THE PURPOSE OF PROSPERITY
it has wonderful topic such as;
God's People Must Prosper To Fulfill the Great Commission
Tithing—God's Plan for Financing The Church and Its Outreaches
Understand Why and How You Should Tithe
Tithing Brings the Promised Blessings of God
To Tithe or Not To Tithe
More Money Results in More Ministry
etc
from the above bold, let me put a little excerpt:
From time to time over the years, people have asked me if the practice of tithing is still valid for the Church today. "The New Testament really says very little about it," they say. "Should pastors and other ministers preach and encourage tithing with so little New Testament information on the subject. Should Christians be bound by the Old Testament Law?"
It is true that there is very little mention of tithing in the New Testament. Two of the Gospels, Matthew and Luke, report the only recorded incident of Jesus saying anything about it. But in this instance, Jesus clearly affirmed His belief in the practice of tithing:

"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders—hypocrites'. For you time down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things— justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone."
—Matthew 23:23 (TLB)

Jesus upbraided the hypocritical religious leaders of His day who ignored vitally important parts of the Law such a justice, mercy, and faith, while meticulously paying the tithe they owed down to the last leaf in their garden. He was saying that giving money doesn't take the place of living right. God is not as interested in a person's money as He is in his heart. But Jesus did say that a person should tithe.
Although the majority of biblical references to the tithe are clearly part of the Old Covenant, the fact of the matter is that tithing was not introduced under the Law. It was merely regulated under the Law. Tithing originated as an act of faith, and faith transcends both the Old and New Covenants! And "by faith" is how we should tithe today—not as an act of legalism, but as an act of faith.
Genesis chapter 14 tells us how Abram paid tithes to Melchizedek, king of Salem and a priest of the Most High God, four hundred years before the time of Moses and the Law. Obviously, he did not pay tithes by legalistic requirement because he lived before the Law. Isaac and Jacob also lived before the Law and paid tithes (Gen. 18:19,20;28:22).

By faith, Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High God, who was a type of Christ. We see this in the Book of Hebrews, which also tells us that, "... Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant" (Heb. 7:22 NIV).
Galatians chapter 3 makes some crucially important statements.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
—Galatians 3:11-14
So should we pay tithes today? Absolutely! But we pay them like Abraham paid them—not by the Law, but by faith. And besides that, if the people of God paid ten percent before the Law and ten percent under the Law, should we, who live by grace, be doing any less when we have a better covenant? *** Wow, Good question***
Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High God, who was a type of Christ. And he received the blessing, which was threefold—spiritual, physical, and material or financial. Because we are redeemed from the curse of the Law by the sacrifice of Christ, we have received the blessing of Abraham—spiritually, physically, and financially.

We, then, by faith follow the example of Abraham in paying tithes. We pay our tithes unto Christ! The Bible says in Ephesians that when God raised Jesus from the dead, He gave Him to be the Head over all things to the Church, which is His Body (Eph. 1:22,23). So when we pay tithes to Christ, the Head, they flow to His Body, the Church. Do you see it? Through the Church, we have the great privilege of giving to Jesus to do His will and work.
I believe if every Christian would be faithful in tithing and giving, there would be more than enough funds for the Church to carry out its mission in the world. Researchers have found that amazingly few born-again Americans tithe regularly, and a surprisingly large number give nothing! Imagine what could be accomplished if all Christians were faithful in their tithing and giving!
on second thought.. should i still put up chapter 4? Hagin explained Understand Why and How You Should Tithe ...it was a masterpiece.

There's absolutely no way you people can teach tithe without going back into self efforts or performance. You take us back into the law and wants us fall from Grace of God. You only hide under the umbrella of "BY FAITH. ..WE TITHE" You simply or quickly forget THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH. ..SO ALSO, FAITH IS NOT OF THE LAW. If Abraham tithed by faith, where is this monthly continuous tithing AS A LAW CAME FROM?

Faith that Abraham was justified by was clearly taught in scriptures, NOT THAT BELIEVERS ARE TO FOLLOW THE ACTS OF ABRAHAM. ...else, believers will sleep with their maids BY FAITH, we will lie BY FAITH, we'll go to physical war BY FAITH. We'll kill BY FAITH. I hope you people are not trying to twist THEY THAT ARE OF FAITH ARE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM?

Processor01:
I am Processor01 and I do not endorse Goshen360's view on this topic.

Christian readers please beware lest you ingest this lie the devil has succeeded in selling to the world.

It's alright brother. We don't have to agree 100%. But what we should be doing is let's study issues again as against what the traditional Church had taught us and be open minded to see if what we had believe was right or wrong. Here's what I expect you to have said to the Christians:

Acts 17:11Expanded Bible (EXB)
11 These people were more ·willing to listen [open-minded; fair-minded; noble in character] than the people in Thessalonica. The Bereans ·were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said [ eagerly received the word/message] and ·studied [examined] the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true [ to confirm Paul’s Goshen360 teaching was in line with Scripture].

Processor01:
What exactly is your point sir? Sexual relation between unmarried folks is okay? God doesn't frown at it?

Hi, brother.

My points are clear. Let everyone of us go back to Berean Christianity, not what we were taught but we should be open minded to learn and SEE IF WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS SAYING OR TEACHING IS TRUE OR WRONG.....compared to the traditional Christianity of men that makes the word of God of no effect. My point is, pre-MARITAL (if you\we understand what it is) sex is not an ACT contained in the sin of fornication. If you go and study the sin of fornication and find premarital sex as part of it, then, please bring it on and lets look at it together. I will listen to you as much as I will want you to listen to me.....let's learn and be open minded....we might not necessarily agree in the end but let's explore somethings.

However, let your mind be clear and DO NOT THINK IN YOUR MIND THAT I ENDORSE AN IMMORAL LIFESTYLE but I'm just saying,let's go back to scriptures and see for ourselves what we've been taught when we're young Christians.

OasisofRefuge:
sorry sir. am not good in debate. i wouldnt comment there. God's words can not change no matter what. you and i know. God condemns sexual immorality.

Please do me and yourself a big favor, go and get bible concordance and study the sin of fornication. ....at least, don't just take my words, go and study it.

God bless you! !!

candy:
No 3, though a common practice, is still bad sir, and can't be justified.

You see my sister, the problem isn't what I teach. The problem is, people had been fed with some kind of teaching and when another person saying something different, they think it's heresy. Please, be open mind AND GO AND FIND OUT BY YOURSELF USING BIBLE CONCORDANCE TO FINISHED OUT WHAT FORNICATION MEANT. It was hard for me too to first accept it but I went study on the subject, I'm not trying to justify immorality, GOD Is MY witness.

anukulapo:
How do you feel when you mark your own exam script?
So if you come across a old heretic post (and with all the truth you possess) you'll just let it go because it is a old thread?
I guess that's what one should do. Since all things must be "new". SMH

What heretic post you talking about? Look, the thing about the word is, There're horrible things you can't cover up. It is what it is and Christ made it plain and simple so if I made a statement and have the answer but don't have time then and\or missed the post, seeing it now, why should it be a problem to talk about it?

Gombs:
go and sleep jare... if them quote Isaiah Where he said by the Spirit "No weapon fashioned against you shall prosper..." you will immediately forget it's OT and scream AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!

as for the bold, i can't help but marvel at your bible knowledge bankruptcy.. anyways, anyhow you wan see the obedience fine, but make sure you meet the two conditions... Be willing and (not or) Obedient.

make i go bath... work time don near reach! Say me hi to folk in America and your family members.

Abeg go siddon or wash that your a$$ joor......

How I go say Amen when where I siddon sef IN CHRIST, demons no fit fashion anything against me sef. My Amen will be to what he's done for me. In Christ, I'm complete.....how about that? My family go hear say you say hello sha.....stubborn boi

Numismatic:
wow..this is really an eye opener into your person, so you can comfortably have se.x with someone you plan to marry and who you love without and to you that is not pre marital..pre marital means what? Before marriage right? You are still committed, what if you don't marry eventually? And that you are commited to that person does it mean God already sees or approves of your relationship?And which sexual relation did the bible concur except se.x between married couples? May God have mercy on you for truly you are in error and even Peter when he was in error was Opposed to his face by Paul.. You never quoted any bible passage to prove your point all you said were your own understandings...You think you can explain away your living in sin with your girl friend or a person you intend to marry? Having head knowledge of the bible will never take you to heaven but the right application..All you do here is raise controversies but I ask, how many people in nairaland have been born again by you? Talking about tithe, Abram gave his tithe to The king of Salem without the law, which means it wasn't obligatory, but can you explain why it had to be melchizedek? A priest of the most high who was a similtude of Jesus? Was that an isolated incident? As much as I don't believe in obligatory tithe,but you that claims to know all should encourage believers who feel the have to pay their tithe to do so, but not mandatory or in fulfilment of the law but as an act of giving unto the lord..in the last days bible says that many shall give in to seducing spirits..remove pride from your heart mr goshen, and repent..

All I see above is emotions!!! If there's anything I said unscriptural, I have made reference(s) to the other thread, feel free to discuss SCRIPTURES.....in context, not emotions. I'm not moved by that.

2. My works by God's grace follow me and not you to count my rewards. I don't need you to validate people who have come to Christ by the word I teach. You think it's up to me to make people come to Christ? We only speak\teach the word, it is the Spirit that convict the world of sin.

3. This is not a tithe thread. I'm sick and tired of that even though I'm not giving up combating the falsehood of tithe fraud.

4. Again, if there's any scripture talking about the sin of fornication....let's look at it in context, not following religion.

I'm going to sleep now. I will be back later!!!

Gombs:
Read that book, or go back to chapter 1 i posted... it gave conditions for prosperity, it applies to all, not just preachers, the book of Isaiah says " if you be willing and obedient... you shall eat the good of the land"
looks to me that condition is open to all, not just preachers alone.

After you go say you wan teach me. Not that I'm not teachable but by God's grace, I'm a student of the word under the Spirit of truth. This is exactly what happens when you copy men and panel beat scriptures. You're still using the OT to interpret the NT. Isaiah was talking about or remembering them of obedience TO THE LAW of Deuteronomy 28. Listen here...as regards that verse you quest. Obedient is required in the NT but it is NOT obedience that causes something to happen but obedience to what is already done in the finished works of Christ.

So you are saying, IN ORDER FOR ME TO EAT THE GOOD OF THE LAND, I HAVE TO OBEY but the NT says, in order for me to partake of what is already available, I have to believe AND BE OBEDIENT TO THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD. It is by His Obedience that everything I receive by believing or by faith happens, not by MY OWN OBEDIENCE to cause it to happen or to make me eat\partake of what is available.

Lemme go sleep. I will join this brainwashing thread if I can.....

@ OP, I agree with everything you mentioned except for #3. Religion defined it what it is not. We can learn together. But first, cast your mind away that I justify immoral and reckless living. Far from it but let us examine scriptures together in context. You're invited to this on-going discussion on 2 threads here or there:

https://www.nairaland.com/1917362/what-considered-sexually-immoral

https://www.nairaland.com/1958523/what-does-bible-say-sex

Please, be open minded like the Bereans.

OLAADEGBU:
Can you define what you mean by premarital sex?

Goshen360:
Okay. Let's get into it.
Premarital sex. When I have someone I love, committed to and want to marry or have planned to marry after a considerable time of courtship or getting to know each other compatibility, if we have sex and keep to each other, that's not what the bible called fornication. Religion called it fornication but the bible doesn't call it fornication.

What does the bible called fornication?
Many ACTS such as sex OUT SIDE AN ALREADY EXISTING MARRIAGE, is fornication, sex with animals is fornication, man to man or woman to woman, incent, whor.ing, prostitut.ion, idolatry etc are ACTS considered fornication but no where was premarital sex with someone I want to marry considered fornication.

Again, if ANYONE of you have text saying premarital sex ACT is fornication, bring it on. BUT I WILL STILL ADDRESS SCRIPTURES OLAADEGBU quoted IN CONTEXT SO WE CAN BE CLEAR ON THE DISCUSSION.

Also, I have talked a lot on the other thread similar to this: https://www.nairaland.com/1958523/what-does-bible-say-sex

Now, let's discuss the verses you quoted:

1. 1 Corinthians 7:2

The above I discussed here: https://www.nairaland.com/1958523/what-does-bible-say-sex

2. Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" (Hebrews 13:4).

Think about it a second and read again. Someone who is NOT married can be a WHO.RE likewise someone who IS married can be a who.re. Same goes for adultery as stated by Christ. One can be single and commit adultery......

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So we understand adultery is not just what people says it is but marrying someone who wasn't put away for the right cause. Alright!

This verse, Hebrews 13:4 is addressing Who.res and adulterers AS IT RELATES TO THOSE IN MARRIAGE......that is, those going outside their EXISTING MARRIAGE to sleep around....these are who.resmongers. They defile their marriage bed. Hence, the mention of MARRIAGE IS HONOURABLE!!! Scripture is clear!!! It didn't say COURTSHIP is honourable even though it's foundation towards marriage, it says MARRIAGE. Ask yourself, what is MARRIAGE? Is it the same as courtship?

3. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor coveteous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

I stand by the this verse as inspired by the Holy Spirit but let's stop reading into the text. I believe SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD as related to the mentioned acts BUT what is fornication? We have been using scriptures to expound on that.....having illicit sex OUTSIDE OF ONE'S MARRIAGE AFTER ONE IS MARRIED....is part of what fornication is and who is\are a fornicator(s) that this verse talked about?

We can't just read into the text and say this is what it means or that's what it means. We have Greek and Hebrew meaning from which our English translation came from and that's what tells us the original meanings not we reading into the text. Now, who is a fornicator?

First, I opned the verse here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Co&c=6&t=KJV&ss=1#s=1068009 with the Greek coding #s.

The Greek word is pornos and it means:

a man who prostit.utes his body to another's lust for hire

a male prosti.tute

a man who indulges in unlawful sex.ual inter.course, a fornicator

From the Greek Lexicon here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G4205&t=KJV

AND

what is fornication?

It is the Greek word porneia and it means:

illicit sex.ual inter.course

adultery, fornication, homo.sexu.ality, les.bianism, inter.course with animals etc.

sex.ual inter.course with close relatives; Lev. 18

sex.ual inter.course with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

metaph. the worship of idols

of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

So, we see the ACTS contained in the sin of fornication. These are what it says and we should stay with the above mentioned not expanding them to what they don't mean. All through scriptures AS FORNICATION IS USED IN CONTEXT, one of the above ACTS are what you will see OCCURING AS IN THE CASE OF CORINTHIAN CHURCH or other places fornication was used. Religion had lied to us long enough and we're breaking away from religion unto the truth of the glorious gospel of Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

You lied on your logical interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:2. It doesn't INCLUDE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE.....(in my biblical understanding....as with one partner) IN THE DEFINITION OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY. It specifically mentioned the ACTS that was going on in Corinth then before he condemned such ACTS as sinful. Off course it will be sinful and immoral to be sleeping with one's stepmother or another man\woman spouse or sleeping with prostitu.tes and whor.es and animals and one's son\daughter. That's what is considered and said to be sexually immoral.

I took my time to check every single scripture your quoted up there. None talked about sexual immorality as premarital sex....that is, sex with one partner one is in love with, committed to and wants to\willing to marry. Religion is making you add to, expand and use traditions of men to interpret what scripture says. If there's any verse among what you quoted you want to discuss, feel free to bring it up.

OLAADEGBU:
...but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Let's find out what was happening in Corinthian church that caused this statement of 1 Corinthians 7:2.

The Corinthian church practised all KINDS OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY INCLUDING SLEEPING WITH ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE AND HUSBAND TO THE POINT THAT, SOME WHERE SLEEPING WITH THEIR STEPMOTHER AND SOME SLEEPING WITH PROSTI.TUTES\WHO.RES. All these acts and many more was going on in the church then as it were.

Paul, the Apostle continued to write until he got to 1 Corinthians 7:2. and said,

New International Version
But since sexual immorality [b]is occurring[/b], each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

New Living Translation
But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.

English Standard Version
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

New American Standard Bible
But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

King James Bible
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

The fornication (sexual immorality) OCCURING....whereby women sleeping with another man wife and man sleeping with another woman's husband and man sleeping with his step mother etc. Paul said, let each man have HIS OWN (a possessive term)......this is a clear indication of the context that some are sleeping with men\woman THAT ARE NOT THEIR SPOUSE......instead of sleeping with your father's wife, why not get your own wife. Instead of sleeping with another woman's husband, go and have YOUR OWN husband. This verse says nothing about premarital sex, as a matter of fact, people committing this fornication in Corinth, both parties or one is married.

I know all the scriptures in the NT you want to come up with concerning fornication and I can assure you, bring them up and we will look at the context together. You can even say.....Paul said you should not touch your VIRGIN..... until you're married but hey, VIRGIN as Paul the Apostle taught doesn't MEAN someone who had not had sex but someone who had not married.

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

First, I have always said you are the most confused fellow I ever know on this forum. The reason being the same as I have always said - you copy too many articles contradicting one another online and you can't stand questions when asked. Listen to yourself here: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. But with the other side of your mouth, you're here arguing premarital means is an act of fornication.

Yes, fornication can mean sex before marriage is one is whor.ing, prostitu.ting and sleeping around but the basic point here is, if one has one partner he\she is committed to in love and they planned to marry, will it be considered fornication? There's nowhere the bible said such thing. The ACTS involved in the sin of fornication are clearly stated in scriptures and YOU CLEARLY AGREE.....premarital sex WASN'T PRECISELY MENTIONED. Or is it that you don't know what pre-marital sex is or what?

OLAADEGBU:
The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral?

True and yes, scriptures condemn adultery and fornication.....mostly translated sexual immorality. Question, what then is FORNICATION? You can consider fornication as sexually immoral IF ONE IS WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY ETC but with someone i'm in love with, committed to, in relationship\courtship with and want to marry? No where the bible mentioned such AS PART OF FORNICATION.

Now, on the other hand, If AFTER I'm married and GO OUTSIDE my existing marriage.....that is what the sex OUTSIDE MARRIAGE means, then I commit fornication. Where did I get this from Goshen? Off course from the Master Himself....listen to your Master, not man-made traditions:

New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

A MARRIED woman going OUTSIDE of her marriage is what Christ called fornication. That's what sex OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE MEANS. So, can a married woman\man commit fornication.....scripturally YES!!! Can a unmarried person commit fornication? Scripturally YES!!! How? If he\she is committing any acts I mentioned above not if he\she stays with one partner. Sex BEFORE marriage is considered FORNICATION or SEXUAL IMMORALITY if one is WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY as stated in scriptures and that's what I stand by NOT EXPANDING OR ADDING TO IT.

TBC

Religion is a disease and poison to the TRUTH of the Gospel of God. Truth is what separate religion from Christianity and present the reality of God. Come out of religion and let the truth of the glorious gospel set you free.

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing that there is another aspect—procreation. Sex within marriage is pleasurable, and God designed it that way. God wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity within the confines of marriage. Song of Solomon and several other Bible passages (such as Proverbs 5:19) clearly describe the pleasure of sex. However, the couple must understand that God’s intent for sex includes producing children. Thus, for a couple to engage in sex before marriage is doubly wrong—they are enjoying pleasures not intended for them, and they are taking a chance of creating a human life outside of the family structure God intended for every child.

While practicality does not determine right from wrong, if the Bible's message on sex before marriage were obeyed, there would be far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer abortions, far fewer unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies, and far fewer children growing up without both parents in their lives. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and, most importantly, honors God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

and rolling on the floor

OLAADEGBU:
I keep asking the same question because have not answered any. The title of this thread is "What is considered sexually immoral?" You keep going round in circles asserting that "premarital sex is not fornication." Define what you mean by premarital sex if you believe it is not considered to be sexually immoral.

Numismatic:
Very funny, You dont know where am coming from..what were you thought? I asked you a simple question, Is Premarital S.ex not immoral? What then does your bible say? try and define fornication, both the english and greek definition..and please enough of this online Spiritual muscle flexing..You dont know where am coming from indeed..

Okay. Let's get into it.

Premarital sex. When I have someone I love, committed to and want to marry or have planned to marry after a considerable time of courtship or getting to know each other compatibility, if we have sex and keep to each other, that's not what the bible called fornication. Religion called it fornication but the bible doesn't call it fornication.

What does the bible called fornication?

Many ACTS such as sex OUT SIDE AN ALREADY EXISTING MARRIAGE, is fornication, sex with animals is fornication, man to man or woman to woman, incent, whor.ing, prostitut.ion, idolatry etc are ACTS considered fornication but no where was premarital sex with someone I want to marry considered fornication.

Again, if ANYONE of you have text saying premarital sex ACT is fornication, bring it on. BUT I WILL STILL ADDRESS SCRIPTURES OLAADEGBU quoted IN CONTEXT SO WE CAN BE CLEAR ON THE DISCUSSION.

Numismatic:
Premarital sex is it not Sexual? So you need the bible to say premarital sex before you agree that Premarital sex is sexual immorality..na wah, Sexual immorality deals with ALL SEXUAL SINS OR SINS THAT ARE SEXUAL IN NATURE.the scripture is clear about this why the debate?

I don't know where you are coming from but let's discuss scriptures, not traditions of men of what you've been taught and you never questioned anything. We've discussed this subject in the past but Ola is just bringing it up again.

Please, produce scriptures that says premarital sex is fornication. Or we look at scriptures concerning fornication and see if they were referring to premarital sex.

When I argue this topic, people with sin conscious mind concludes, I'm endorsing immoral living but what I'm doing is, proving all things we're taught true or traditions.

OLAADEGBU:
Answer the question. What is premarital sex?

You keep asking same question but on the other hand, quoting scriptures that doesn't mean or say they are premarital sex. I'm more interested in context of those scriptures than your question, does those scriptures say or called or termed fornication as premarital sex? That's what I'm interested in talking and I will get into the contextual meaning of those verses you quoted later.

christemmbassey:
bros these armed robber can do anything o, thief na thief sha. A very blessed evening to u sir, sorry we could not connect recently, i'v been very busy.

Yes brother. I tried calling but maybe bad network. Please send me an email again if your number changed.

christemmbassey:
u'v never heard anything from these fraud promoters, one of them actually cald Jesus Christ a pharisee.

I know who he is\was....

OLAADEGBU:
Can you define what you mean by premarital sex?







With the verses above, it is clear that any other type of sex outside of marriage is wrong. All premarital, extramarital, homosexual, incestuous, bestiality or any other kind of being sexually immoral will be judged by God.

As always as you do.....reading INTO THE TEXT. Follow the context please.

My answer:

The NT, which holds the Christian doctrines does consider many acts as sexual immorality of which pre marital sex is never mentioned and that's what I believe.

OLAADEGBU:
It's been almost a month (first page) since you promised to be back. Back to do what, answer the questions or to give lame excuses why you wouldn't or couldn't answer the questions?

Again, if you have one single scripture that mentioned premarital sex as fornication, please bring it up now. Else, know that God is bigger than your man made tradition.

^ ^ ^

They are mostly FALSE PROPHETS.....propheLYING.