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OLAADEGBU: Question: "If an unmarried couple has sex, are they married in God's eyes?"

Answer: It is true that sexual relations is the ultimate fulfillment of a couple becoming “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). However, the act of sex does not equal marriage. If that were so, there would be no such thing as premarital sex—once a couple had sex, they would be married. The Bible calls premarital sex “fornication.” It is repeatedly condemned in Scripture along with all other forms of sexual immorality (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes abstinence before marriage as the standard of godliness. Sex before marriage is just as wrong as adultery and other forms of sexual immorality because they all involve having sex with someone other than your spouse.

If an unmarried couple has sex, does that mean they are married? The Bible gives us no reason to believe this to be the case. The act of sexual relations may have made them for a moment physically joined, but that does not mean God has joined them together as husband and wife. Sex is an important aspect of marriage, the physical act of marriage. Sex between unmarried people, though, does not equal marriage.

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The Bible calls premarital sex “fornication.” It is repeatedly condemned in Scripture along with all other forms of sexual immorality (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes abstinence before marriage as the standard of godliness. Sex before marriage is just as wrong as adultery and other forms of sexual immorality because they all involve having sex with someone other than your spouse.

I checked all of those scriptures you provided. NONE, absolutely NONE said fornication IS EQUAL TO pre-marital sexx. You keep following some websites and when called upon to discuss these things in context and by word meanings, you will still be finding another site to defend the one you already have. Stop adding to the word of God.

If you pick one of those scriptures after the other and dig into them, contextually and by Greek word meanings, none of them comes to your man made definition that the BIBLE CALLS pre-marital sex fornication. If you insist however that pre-marital sex IS fornication, then you need to show scriptures saying exactly that. Else, you will be adding to the word.

Also, check the Greek meaning and also many translations, none said or called fornication pre-marital sex.

Candour: Hi my bro, longest time!! Its actually the surname taiwoawoniyi was talking about. I asked why he still used it considering our discussion on powers of darkness and he said he doesn't see a reason to change it. It wasn't about his beliefs generally

Cheers bro

Hi brother, it's been busy for me but I'm holding on to finish my training courses. I always read offline though but no time for me now. Sure you doing good. Remember, you're the product of the finished works of Christ.

taiwoawoniyi: Mr Goshen360, I thank you for your frank assessment. However, my dad being a redeemed pastor doesn't question or automatically makes me saved. The points I raised above are from my personal study of the Word of God and not based on my fathers teachings. And I think it would be useless for me to change my surname because of pressure and not according to the leading of the Holy Spirit. If God says I should change my name, I would but if He doesn't, I see it as unseriousness to do so. And my father has been working with God before I was born. Now,this doesn't make him perfect but at least,his level of maturity belittles mine and if God didn't lead him to have a name change,it would be foolish for me this young lad to change it. As I earlier said, it all depends on the Holy Spirit. Shalom

Oh, sorry. My bad. I thought you're talking about the subject matter as regards your dad. But the truth is, you need to separate the moves and act of God IN EVERY DISPENSATION TO ANOTHER. National Israel is part of the church but different from the church of Christ. They, Israel ALONE do not make up the church of Christ today so God changed from law to Spirit leading.

Candour was right in his message to you all you have to do is, go find out if what he said was right or wrong WITHOUT holding to your old belief system.

@ Candour, weldone, teaching the word. You're a soldier of Christ.

@taiwoawoniyi,
I read you saying your father is a Redeemed pastor and you can't change because he, your father hasn't changed. That tells me all your argument is not based on sound doctrine of the changes that took place after the cross of Christ but your argument is based on wrong believe that everything written in the bible is for Christians to practice and based on your father believe and rccg teaching.

Listen bro, I was once like you, a member of rccg and almost getting towards ordination. However, all I was doing then was follow - follow. But when I sat myself down, many things were exposed to me by the Spirit. Then, I can challenge some teachings and question some practices in the body of Christ.

Scripture say. ....WHATSOEVER was written IN THE LAW was written FOR THOSE UNDER THE LAW.

Question, are you under the law or you're under the leadership of the Holy Spirit? Who are THOSE UNDER THE LAW? What are the "WHATSOEVER THINGS the law says" referring to? The Spirit don't contradict the written word. Many Christians try to spiritualize the old testament but the law is not of faith.

Learn not to follow the crowd. Stand with the Spirit and learn of him.

I will be back WHEN I have enough time.

christemmbassey: Oga Goshen i dey hail o! How far? I don dey try ya line but man no fit connect u, hope all is well. Cheers!

I will try give you a call this weekend. Stay blessed, all is well, just that I'm in special job training with my job.

OLAADEGBU: In other words, you now know that premarital sex is not fornication, right?

No it is not. It was some churches that expanded the meaning of fornication to premarital sex or when it was taught that sex "outside" of marriage is wrong. You people never asked questions, you just took it and run with it.

Jesus said, a MARRIED woman can be divorce on the ground of fornication. Tell me that a married woman is having PRE MARITAL sex. Is that what you saying?

Bidam: Which is to say, you are still holding on to the teachings that premarital sex and masturbation are not sexually immoral and are not sins, am i right?

I never said self servicing is not fornication. I now know better that fornication is not what the institutionalized church taught me it was.

Ukutsgp: @Goshen360. i dnt know that u are one of the perpetrators of false gospel on this forum.
saying that our past sins, present and future sins are already taken care of is heresy. stop this falsehood and confess ur sin to God to obtain his forgiveness.
if u confess ur sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive u.

When you get there, hopefully if you do, it will be clear to you and you will understand but I can help you out. Ask yourself, the sins YOU WILL COMMIT TOMORROW. ...are they past or present sins or are they future sins AND WILL THOSE SIN BE FORVIGEN TOMORROW OR NOT?

Bidam: i know no say u lyk to dey quote OT na..true scriptures cannot be broken, we are looking at it wholistically and not only some portions of the bible like some folks. Bro. I dey o, i say make i lay low for a while. I no wan make noise again.Lol.

The truth about it is, I don't discard OT. I only have problem with folks when they don't understand word meanings as used in Hebrew OT and Greek NT. And also, folks trying to use OT to INTERPRET the NT. The NT is the OT fulfilled. Why must folks be using OT to interpret NT? If you can understand the OT IN THE LIGHT OF THE NEW & the finished works of Christ, the scripture will come alive like wow!!!

Touch not my anointed is a false teaching to the church of Christ. Plain and simple. Some people are using OT to interpret NT just because they want to justify fables. I will not accept disrespect but when a man of God goes wrong, he should know better and should be called out!!! Plain and simple!!! A man of God doing wrong doesn't have immunity not to be criticized for doing wrong!!!

Ukutsgp: u cant rule out the place of confession of sin and forgiveness.

Has your confession and forgiveness made you stop sinning?

Ukutsgp: those who fail to obey his word. whether in or outside.

When you swallow one false teaching, you will have to swallow more false teachings to defend the ONE you first swallowed.

Twist this one......

Have you heard of doctrine of double punishment? If not, they are drawn from these two scriptures...from the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, the truth shall be established.....

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

You may be smart and say he was talking about their past sins......but hey, we use scripture to interpret scriptures. EVERY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS A SIN and he just said he will be merciful to my UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.....meaning, he will be merciful to my sins because my unrightousness....NOT ACTING right sometimes which becomes my sins, he will REMEMBER NO MORE........My sin are exchanged for Christ's righteousness. Why? He (Christ) who knew no sin BECAME sin for me THAT I, in Christ might BECOME the righteousness of God.

2. Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.......PAST TENSE or PAST SINS

(b). Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin........FUTURE SINS.

Listen brother, past, present and future sins are all taken care of in Christ. God will not impute sin on me anymore BECAUSE sin was already imputed unto Christ......He who knew no sin BECAME SIN.....that I, in divine exchange, might BECOME the righteousness of God. It will be double punishment & unjust for God to do by the finished works of Christ to punish me for sin anymore if Christ was already punished for my sin.....past, present and future.

Gombs: Cc:
Drummaboy aka WinsomeX
Goshen
Shedemidemi

Now the excuse might be "even the devil does same"

These folks are stiff necked, now I understand why God wanted to destroy em isrealites in the day of Moses

Stop mentioning my I.D please. Deal with your prophet and keep your house (CE) in order.

You people can do anything to justify any rubbish called prophecy. Is that what you called prophecies? You and me can do better. Stop showcasing to the world how educated you are. Can't you judge how accurate bible prophecies are? In case you want to play game, lemme open it up....as per the Op by Joe,

19. Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be a new disease in 2014 saith the LORD GOD

Where is this new disease going to start from? The Godprophet forgot to prophesy? What's going to be the name? Do you know how many new disease that was discovered in 2014? You must be a joker!!!

7. Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be scandal in several churches in 2014 saith the LORD GOD

Do you know how many churched being going through SCANDALS since the days of Apostles Paul....e.g, Corinthian church. Where are the churches that will experience scandal be located? Nigeria or where? Your Godprophet forgot? Think about it, churches had never been free from scandal and we will never be free from scandal.....until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.(New American Standard Bible)

3. Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be school shooting in the United State of America which shall take lives in 2014 saith the LORD GOD

What the heck is this nonsense? You know how many years the ^ above being happening in USA? Back to back and month to month, you hear and year to year. I read all these and I laugh, Nigeria Godprophet called these stuff prophecies and some people are making noise about it. Mention the name of the State, school and grade the shooting will take place and I will believe you.

I can go on and on on the so called prophecies that they are nothing but educated guess. Where is the building collapse prophecy sef? Abi my eyes dey deem? If there was any, why can't the seer tell us where the building is located....as in what part of the world specifically. Do you know how many building that had collapsed around the world this year? These are things that happen in our daily world. You people should get a job joor and stop deceiving people!!!

The scripture cannot be broken.....let's stop reading into scripture o. How una dey, Bidam, long time.

Ukutsgp: the only exception to eternal security is sin.

to become righteous in christ entails repenting of ur sin, confessing them to God, then the blood of Jesus will wipe ur sins away. from then, u must forsake sin. obey d word if God and continue to do his will.

dying daily have everything to do with sin.

I agree that sin should not be tolerated in Christian life but ask yourself. Can sin be completely avoided in this earthly vessel? We have been asking for forgiveness of sin since we became born again and tomorrow, we will still ask for forgiveness of sin.....insulting the finished works of Christ. Ask yourself, what is the solution to sin so we don't ask for forgiveness no more.

Ukutsgp: that is why i need to ask God for mercy and try to live holy. because he has commanded us to be holy as he is holy. 1 peter 1:14-16.

What does holiness means? To be without sin or sinlessness? I'm sure if you live during the time that woman was caught in adultery, you will be one of those who are with sin that cannot cast the first stone. You're reading into. ...BE YE HOLY. ...

Ukutsgp: i said salvation can be lost or regained. when u sin salvation is lost as sin disconnect u from GOD and when u repent, it is restored.

So salvation has become lost and found, lost again and found again?

Ukutsgp: The concept that once you are saved you cannot
be lost is unbiblical.
Indeed, the Bible has several examples of people
who were saved relationship with God and were
even Spirit-filled—but then they turned from the
Lord.

For instance, King Saul was chosen by the Lord,
anointed, filled with the Spirit, but he became
proud and grieved away the Holy Spirit and
eventually took his own life in despair. Judas was
sent out preaching with the other 11 disciples,
but he kept clinging to covetousness until he
denied the Lord and sold Him. Judas lost his
salvation, his relationship with the Lord.
Ezekiel 18:24 says, “But when the righteous man
turns away from his righteousness, and commits
iniquity, and does according to all the
abominations that the wicked man does, shall he
live? All his righteousness that he has done shall
not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has
trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in
them shall he die.” In other words, a person who
was righteous can indeed turn away and be lost.
In Hebrews 10:23 , 24, Paul says, “Let us hold fast
the profession of our faith without wavering.”
Once a person is saved, why would they need to
hold fast? He goes on to add, “Let us consider
one another to provoke unto love and good works,
for if we sin willfully after we have received a
knowledge of the truth there remains no more
sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful looking
forward to of judgment.”

The Bible doesn’t tell say that once we’re saved,
we turn from all responsibility of continuing to
hold onto God’s hand. Jesus will never let go of
us, but we can let go of Him if we choose. The
danger of the teaching once-saved-always-saved
is that it takes away free will. But we’re always
free to choose to love the Lord or walk away.
“Christian, know ye not that they which run in a
race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run,
that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth
for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now
they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we
an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as
uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the
air; But I keep under my body, and bring it into
subjection: lest that by any means, when I have
preached to others, I myself should be a
castaway” ( 1 Corinthians 9:24–27 ). In other
words, Paul is saying that it was possible, even
though he had this spirit-filled saved relationship,
to be cast away.
On the other extreme, some think that you need
to walk every day in doubt of your relationship
with the Lord. But the Bible is clear that you can
have an assurance of your relationship with Him.
The Bible says you can know that He who has
begun a good work in you will perform it to the
day of Jesus; He is the Author and Finisher of
your faith, that you might know that you have
everlasting life.


God does not want us to live in fear. He said that
we can know we have eternal life. We can know
as long as we abide in Him, we have nothing to
be afraid of. It’s when we take our hand out of
His hand and we choose to turn from His will and
go our own way that we are in danger. That’s
why I believe that it’s important for us to daily
rededicate our lives. Paul said, “I die daily.” He
chose every day to say no to living for myself, to
die to self, and be born again unto God. On a
daily basis, rededicate yourself to God. It doesn’t
mean that you’re lost and saved, lost and saved,
lost and saved, like a roller coaster. Indeed, dying
to yourself daily means that you will keep your
relationship with God.

First, I don't know where to start with you addressing many issues raised but I will try.

1. The only exception to eternal security is apostasy

2. All righteousness BEFORE the finished works of Christ are based on man's work to be right with God. So when you quoting Ezekiel and OT, you don't even understand what you saying in relation to finished works of Christ.....He who knew no sin became sin for us SO THAT WE MIGHT BE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. Is that in your bible?

3. Dying daily has nothing to do with being DEAD TO SIN. You are dead to sin through Christ.

Ukutsgp: sin can make u lost ur salvation. it can also disqualify u from entering heaven. when u sin, u have to confess and forsake that sin to be in right standing with God. just one sin can make u to be lost forever if u fail to amend ur ways.

If sin can make you loose salvation, YOU MUST HAVE LOST YOURS knowing YOU HAVE SINNED MANY TIMES SINCE YOU BECAME BORN AGAIN. ...no?

Ukutsgp: it is nt false. a regenerated person can fall into an unregenerated state due to sin. a believer can also become unbeliever and vise versa.

Many questions you're avoiding and that's not good at all. Again, since YOU came to Christ and believe, being born again. HAVE YOU SINNED OR NOT? IF you have sinned, did you loose your salvation then and now. If you lost your salvation, how did you regain it? Did you re born again again?

Ukutsgp: d point is, can one lost his salvation due to sin and wrong living?

The answer is, no one in Christ can lost his or her salvation. If there's one such as yourself, ask yourself. ..since you came to be in Christ, have you sinned or not. If you have sinned, did you loose your salvation and try to regain it or what? Have you lived wrongly, making a wrong choice? If you have, are you unsaved trying to be save again?

OLAADEGBU: Don't be pecksniffian. The principle of Malachi 3:9-11 applies to any child of Abraham who lives by faith. Don't be deluded into thinking that your steward responsibility is lesser than those in the OT because we now operate under grace. I tithe under grace as opposed to tithing under the Law.

and rolling on the floor. I have always known you as a confused fellow because you copy too many articles. Never a time you use your Holy Ghost regenerated mind to think through the word. So you use faith and grace to practice the law tithing? Ola, you should have just kept quiet rather than type this nonsense you just typed.

However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."

Ishilove: But I didn't hear from you again na

So you've been expecting to hear from another man shey? U know say na so e dey take start small small.

^^^^ Okay. I will give them some time to speak and in the end, I will give my opinion as regards the whole issue in light of the scripture. Everyone stay blessed!!!

OLAADEGBU: I tithe after the order of Melchisedec. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Is that "order of Melchizedec" also accompany with curses of Malachi 3:9-11?

2. I don't smoke and have never smoked. Get babylon out of your mind!!!

Joagbaje: There's no evidence it's just satanic rumoour .

I will like to call on loyal and dedicated members of CE to speak or say something about the on-going news flying around about divorce of their pastor. I have been reading many threads and haven't read any of them come out to tell us what the truth is or why the name\information of Pastor Christ wife was removed from the website.

We await the CE, come out as you would always say something about your gathering, this matter also affect your gathering.

cc:

Joagbaje
Gombs
Mabel
mbaemeka (not sure if he's a member of CE but my assumption)
etc.

paxonel: lets be sincere,this argument is not sound at all (full of fallacies)
thank God you say the biblical formular was given to isreal before christ was crucified.How does it concern us in christianity?
if muslims read quran that there was payment of tithe and begin to ask us in christianity to pay, will you pay?

OLAADEGBU: What about tithing before the Law? Is that not in the Bible?

The same person talking about tithing BEFORE the law is the same CONFUSED fellow arguing tithing with Malachi curses and the rest of lies. Ask him which one does he practice? Offcourse, he doesn't know, because he's as confused as the different website he copies from, talking from both sides of his mouth. One of the things our Lord hates in revelation is BABYLON and before you get confuse again, Babylon means MIXTURE....(tending towards confusion).....you're neither cold nor hot. STOP threatening people with Malachi tithe of curse because NO ONE threatened Abraham before he gave tithe. Enough of all these lies!!!

^^^ Abeg answer the straight kweshun with a straight answer and stop being a raciiist.....

Obadiah777 on the loose. ...... . Continue to murder scriptures.

OLAADEGBU: If that scripture is explanatory enough for you then go pay your tithes as Abraham did unless you are not a child of Abraham.

You're one confused fellow I ever seen on earth. Quit copying different articles that makes you sit on the fence like you don't know what you're saying, talking from both sides of your mouth. Compare your articles with each other including what you just copied last up there. Isn't Sabbath part of the law of Moses that was done away with in Christ? You can let go Sabbath, but can't let go tithe. You teach Abraham tithe but still quote Malachi tithe to buttress Abraham tithe. Tell me, what law was Abraham following when he gave tithe?

Do you even know what Abraham stand to mean for Christians? He's father of them "who are of faith" and didn't functions as same father of the Jewish nation to Christians as he was. It is not everything Abraham did that we're to do as Christian except what is done in faith and of the faith, those who are justified by faith. Ola, the law is not of faith and the law worketh wrath. Go and sit down, flush out of your system everything the institutionalized church had ever taught you and stay with the Spirit of God, you will come to true revelation and simplicity of the gospel.

Hallelujah glory be to God. The Grace invasion message is already moving in the Spiritual lives of Christians. Many are beginning to break away from traditional interpretation and flowing in the Spirit.

When we stay with the Spirit of truth, He will reveal great and mighty things in revelation unto us. We're going back to basic and using the eyes of Spirit and revelation of NT to understand what was said\taught in the OT. That's all what it is!!!

Weldone @OP. You're blessed in Christ.