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Gombs: *unfollows threadSoldier of Christ. Who you wan follow naw if you unfollow your own thread? Your Esau unfollows thread, your Isaac still in the thread.... ![]() |
Candour:Leave the guy, he think say I mumu. We have lots of people to catch on this forum. You remember that thread I asked one person with a new I.D why he had to open a new I.D cos he doesn't agree with the OP and did you see that I.D again? If I had produced evidence then, can I catch more people? ![]() |
Gombs: Am not saying anything on this topic untill Goshen furnish us with his evidence that I and Jo are sameKeep waiting. You know how many people I still wan catch? Make I produce evident make the rest like you run go bury their heads? |
Joagbaje: Goshen we are waiting . . . Or you have gone bury your head in shame?Keep deceiving yourself, people that don't know internet will think same person cannot be online at the same time with two different I.D. Keep deceiving yourself. |
Joagbaje: .Deception!!! Isp, isp provider, ip address, all intact...deception isn't good for you. No be only gombe he dey, na mokola.... ![]() |
Joagbaje: Give one scripture where God says tithes and offerings should stop.We have given you that from Hebrews 7. You still confused? |
Candour: Isn't it funny how Gombs disappears and Joagbaje enters the fray.....hmmmm......is it a relay race? Or there is a law that says they musnt be on the same thread at the same time? HmmmmI don't want to. be carnal , they might say we want to win argument that's why we slander but I have the IP internet track record with me.... ![]() |
Joagbaje: . . . . And we give offerings also and not because God commanded the jews to give offerings , its still because its a kingdom principle. I wonder why critics have no problem with offerings and attacks tithes only. Malachi 3 talks about the two. They are together.We have asked you to produce evidence what the early church gave was called Offering IN THE WORSHIP GATHERINGS. Just one single scripture will be okay. |
Joagbaje: We don't tithe because of the Jewish law. We tithe because its a kingdom principle..And where this 'kingdom principle' was stated in scripture? Don't tell me it's before the law cos I will ask you questions too. |
christemmbassey: are u a jew?No, he is A jewGentiles... ![]() |
christemmbassey: was melchi's tithe commanded? U R D MOST DISHONEST TITHE COLLECTOR IN NL. ![]() |
Gombs: It pronounced a blessing for those who did....do the math if someone didn'tYou still confused. Does a man fall from heaven? |
Joagbaje: Malachi 3 was written to Jews. What's the big deal there?Tell Gonna that truth. Why then do you enforce it on Christians. In fact, tell Bidam, Image123, AlwaysLIE who always say every word of the bible is for us, gentile Christians. |
@ Candour, shey you dey see me see wahala so? People wan teach bible, them no efen understand simple English. @ Gombs, Where art thou? Does a MAN fall from heaven? |
Gombs: ^^Hebrews 7:3-5 Amplified Bible (AMP) 3 Without [record of] father or mother or ancestral line, neither with beginning of days nor ending of life, but, resembling the Son of God, he continues to be a priest without interruption and without successor. Hebrews 7:3-5 Expanded Bible (EXB) 3 ·No one knows who Melchizedek’s father or mother was [L …without father, without mother], ·where he came from [L without genealogy], ·when he was born, or when he died [L having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; C something unstated was assumed not to exist]. Melchizedek is like the Son of God; he continues being a priest forever [C Melchizedek’s unmentioned genealogy in Genesis is, by analogy, like Jesus’ eternal Sonship and priesthood]. O ya, let's start translation gyrations... ![]() |
Gombs: ^^Mr, you can't be done with me. Please quote that in AMP version again please Does someone who is A MAN jump down from heaven? Look, I will expose you to the end. ![]() |
Gombs: Your attention is needed hereAs per #9, do you need debosky to teach you English? Seems you becoming a spam to tithe thread now#8, same AMP version talked about BIRTH RECORD of Melchi, not found. You can't follow context but distorting v8. Go back to the other thread, I'm waiting for you there. You need prove that the person of Melchi is somewhere still living. ![]() |
Gombs: He is A MAN by sexx (gender)If he was not a mortal man, how did he became KING of Salem? If he is A man, you agreed. How did he come into the earth or world? Your reference to Angels is out of point, I'm focusing on Melchi with you for now. Melchi was a man you agreed, angels are spirit beings. Are both same being? |
@ Gombs, Is Melchi A MAN or not? Lemme me take it step by step with you now. |
Gombs: Somebody should call kunle to come and help his crew....Call who naw? ![]() |
Gombs: Go read what Abraham did with the remaining 90percent. If I decide to give it away, its a personal choice.....if I decide to keep it it isnin no way an offence.So you now have a choice as to the rest of 90% right? I thought we are Abraham's seed and we must follow our father Abraham in tithe example. My father Abraham also gave the rest to rightful owner without CHOICE, why should my choice play role in returning 90% but only the tithe? Yes, Melchi was dead long ago. If he is not dead, where is he? Do you mind telling us where he is now? Even Christ died and resurrected. Do you study Hebrew syntax? In Hebrew syntax, it reads: "whose father and mother are not written in the genealogies or there is no genealogical account of them" |
Gombs: Was Abraham a Levite? Or did he pay his tithe to the Levitical order?Good!!! At least like my brother Candour says, this shows your dishonesty. The question was, #1. Is Abraham's tithe from 'spoils of war', items from war acceptable under the levitical priesthood? Your answer was: Was Abraham a Levite? Or did he pay his tithe to the Levitical order? ![]() 2. You just said "Malachi was talking about the Order of Melchizedek because only that order could bless the tither." First I take it as assumption and 2 as emphatic answer. That's what I was saying - The Abraham tithe was, he was blessed BEFORE the tithe, it wasn't the tithe that provoked Abraham's blesssings. In Malachi, it was tithe that provoked blessings - bring tithe AND THEN YOU RECEIVE THE BLESSINGS. You don't see any difference still? |
Bidam: Can you also tell us why Paul had to quote the Law of Moses to validate giving to ministers in 1 Cor 9:9? You can't eat your cake and have it both ways.I have promised to deal with this topic. Open a new thread and invite me. We shall do some cooking in the word. ![]() |
Gombs: Never knew it had it....all I say here is from careful inspiration from God. After study, I am righfully dividing the word of truth. Thanks anyway...I await ur reviewAgain, the eternal priesthood continues right. Please, if I pay or give tithe like the seed of Abraham, to whom do I pay or give the rest 90 % of my I'm still warming up again o ![]() |
Gombs: If then the Levitical order can't bless, Who then was Mal 3v8 refering to? The order that can bles or the one that couldn't?Just tell us in plain language who Malachi 3:8 was refering to, no need playing card here. |
@ Gombs, I will still backup and continue from page 15 where I left off but kindly answer these question. Since you agreed the Levitical is cancelled, #1. Is Abraham's tithe from 'spoils of war', items from war acceptable under the levitical priesthood? #2. Is it Abraham's tithe that Malachi and Christ was referencing? |
Gombs: Let me school you a bitFirst, I might not be able to cover all the responses as promised because of the pages already covered. Now, there's an order of 'blessing' established here, not by you and I but by the scriptures. The order is, Abraham was pronounced blessed first BEFORE tithe followed. This is a scriptural truth that God's blessing isn't depended nor pre-conditioned on Abraham's tithing as in contrast to the tithe according to the Law. This is clearly different from the Law tithing which many men of God teach today. If we, including you are going to be honest, we will agree that tithing taught in churches today clearly negate the Abraham's kind or example of tithing. So, I believe that when preachers or people say tithing pre-dated the Law but on the other hand turn to the Law to threaten with curse or as a condition for God's blessing; that's cajoling church folks, hiding under Abraham's example while the threat is a witchcraft. Gombs: First, the unusual name is explained. The Hebrew word melek means king, and tsedek means righteousness, so his name is explained as meaning "king of righteousness."Hebrews 7:4 says, "Now consider how great this man was . . ." . Melchizedek was a man that was divinely used to portray or foreshadow the priesthood of Christ. It is not the person of Christ that was foreshadowed in Melchizedek, it was his kingship and priesthood. He doesn't have parent, without beginning of days and end of life is a rabbinical phrase to mean his birth wasn't recorded nor found in record, his death and parent weren't recorded. If this same context of Hebrews 7:4 tells us "he is a man"; then we must accept the bible truth in 1 Corinthians 11:12: New Living Translation For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God. If Melchi was a man, then he was born of a woman. Just that his records weren't found but we know Christ's mother in the flesh. We know his death record because both Christ and Melchi are men, in the flesh. "Bible also said he like the Son of God will be a priest forever! Hence making tithing a eternal principle" There's no verse that concluded the above that because he is like the Son of God, as a priest forever, THEREFORE tithing is an eternal principles. You're the one making such conclusion. The scripture uses this typology of Melchi and 'represented it in Christ's priesthood NOT the person of Melchi but his king\priesthood. Hebrews 7:3 Amplified Bible (AMP) Without [record of] father or mother or ancestral line, neither with beginning of days nor ending of life, but, resembling the Son of God, he continues to be a priest without interruption and without successor. Please look at that, it didn't say "it continues to be a MELCHIZEDEK but it continues to be PRIEST. He (Melchi) himself had long died and never resurrected like Christ but his death record wasn't known just as his birth record wasn't known. If this makes tithe an eternal principle, MELCHI HIMSELF in that priesthood and kingship WILL BE ALIVE NOW TO ETERNITY or FOR ETERNAL in order to CONTINUE TO COLLECT ETERNAL TITHE. That's what we it will mean. Gombs: We might say today that he came out of nowhere, and then disappeared. Nevertheless, he remains known as a priest even today. "He remains a priest forever ... is declared to be living" v 3 & 8. (A similar thought may be in Luke 20:37-38 —the patriarchs are among "the living."Oh yes, Melchi came from nowhere but we know where Christ came from, from heaven. There're many prototypes of Christ in scriptures. Each one was fulfilled according in a SEPARATE being of Christ, NOT in the SAME being of the prototypes - this a divine wisdom in which God teaches divine truth. We both agree on Psalm 110 - it still gets down that it was the PRIESTHOOD, not the PERSON(s) that was fulfilled in Christ. A prototype can not come back again and represent himself as it represented a shadows. Gombs: Now let's see how a new priesthood implies a new lawIf you said the Law and priesthood goes together, will you agree that change in priesthood MUST also mean change in the law? That is the Law regulating the activities of the priesthood? Will you also agree that any disanullment in the priesthood will also mean disannullment of the Law and vice versa? We shall get to this as we progress. Gombs: "For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law" (v. 12).The Bible never said the law that said ONLY Levites could be priests. The bible says there MUST be a change of THE LAW. That is, the LAW as a whole regulating the Levitical priesthood AND THOSE IT WAS GIVEN AND ALL FUNCTIONS OF THE LAW TO THEM....everything the law says must change. You're limiting it to ONLY Levitical priesthood. It was on the basis or functioning of these Levites that THE LAW was given: If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) Question? Was Levitical priesthood instituted in Exodus 20 when the 10 commandments was given? The Law was received by Moses so if there's a reference to the Levitical priesthood 'receiving the law', it is not limited to the law regulating them but will also include 'commandment to receive tithe' ACCORDING TO THE LAW, v5. I don't want to take too much time typing into Greek methodology here but the LAW as used was used in general sense. Gombs: Q: Which law said that?Do you agree we are not under the Old covenant in its entirety? Gombs: Q: Do we follow the new Priest?Yes, we must follow the new HIGH priest, not priest. We are the priest now. Gombs: Q: of which order is he?Yes, he is in the order of Melchi. Gombs: Q: of which order is he?NO!!! The order did not RECEIVE TITHE and THEN bless. He blessed BEFORE Abraham gave tithe. The order didn't rain curse on Abraham, Abraham gave voluntarily even though it was tenth, he could have given 9th or 11th. Gombs: Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written to the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the speaker talked about blessing u [size=15pt]after u bring[/size] the tithes?At this point, though I'm getting tired now but I will try finish this reply. There's difference between Israel of Old and the church of New. You have to get that as bible truth. Both Israel and the gentiles are now the church. God was talking to the priest in Malachi and the context remained the priest. "Even this whole nation" in Malachi is still the nation of PRIESTS, the priest are NATION OF PEOPLE. Malachi tithe was what was instituted in the LAW OF MOSES...remember, . . . the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,). The Levitical priesthood was still in effect until the cross nullified the law and apparently nullified their priesthood. Clearly Malachi tithe is different from Abraham tithe as seen in scriptures. Malachi tithe is of the 'works of the Law". That is, do this and God will in return do that. Look at it: Bring me tithe AND I WILL open the windows of heaven and rebuke the devourer for your sake. It is a pre-conditional covenant NOT according to the covenant of Christ of the New Covenant that we are blessed NOT because of what we DO but because of what CHRIST HAD DONE. Abraham didn't give tithe BECAUSE he wanted blessings or windows of heaven opened, he was already blessed and rich before he gave tithe. As long as pastors continues to threaten with Malachi curse and devourer e.g Pastor Adeboye of RCCG, it is not Abraham's example of tithe but Malachi's example and that is of the Law. Gombs: Q: did levital priests bless the tithers?What are you arguing for? If it is Abraham's tithing, then focus on that and leave the Law tithing alone but believe the truth, Law tithing CANNOT be removed from tithing as preached from the pulpit - that's the only verse most pastors know. Gombs: But first, let me make certain basic facts clear.Glory to God. You just confirmed what I said up there when replying the change of priesthood also must change the law. Up there, you said it was ONLY the priesthood that chnaged and the LAW that said ONLY the Levites can be priest. Here you said,LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD AND THEIR LAW OF TITHING. That confirmed what I said, it must involve the whole law regulating the activities of the priesthood of Levi. To further prove this truth and hold onto it, Hebrews 7:18 Amplified Bible (AMP) 18 So a previous physical regulation and command is cancelled because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness— What is this command or commandment? The answer is in v 5 & 16 where commandment or command was issued. v5 is to receive tithe and v16 is Levi must come from the tribe of Levi. Those commandment and regulation are cancelled. Therefore receiving tithe by Levi is cancelled not to talk of those who are not Levi (by tribe and birth); the pastors who are receiving tithes. If any pastor preach tithe in the church, ask him, is he a Levi? Even Levi receiving tithe was cancelled. Gombs: Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek?Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek? If a Christian tithe ONCE, can it be said such Christian had tithe IN THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM? Because his priesthood continues forever Because Jesus is of same priesthood You're insulting Christ. The priest and the person functions together. The person must exist in order to function as a priest. Where is Melchizedek now? We know Christ in heaven, where is the person of Melchi that continues forever? Is he also in Heaven? Again, it is priesthood NOT the person that Christ followed after and the person must be alive to function in the priesthood office. Because Jesus and Melchizedek are priests with no genealogy Stop insulting the Lord. Do you ever noticed Melchi didn't or never asked Abraham for tithe? Why? He didn't show up to collect tithe but to bless. If Jesus is in that order, why are you interpreting it he came to collect tithe rather than to bless us by his finished works. If he came to collect tithe BEFORE he blesses us, he would have said so. Don't you know the genealogy of Christ in Matthew and Luke's gospel? Both Melchi and Christ were men BORN OF A WOMAN. Just that Melchi's birth and death record wasn't recored doesn't mean he had not died for long even Christ as a man died. If you saying Melchi didn't die, is he greater than Christ. Even in Hebrews, Christ is greater than Melchi; I don't have time to prove that now. Don't come here and lie that he was a man! I don't understand what you talking about here. If you refering to Melchi, he was a man and had died long ago, just his death wasn't recorded and without proof of his death certificate and\or record, it is 'believed or assumed' he lives forever. Christ had a death record and they both man. When then can't Melchi die? Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. I will continue to read and contribute when I wake up, I'm tired now. |
Please forgive me, I will still share my testimony and the grace of God in my success in life WITHOUT tithing. |
Gombs: Candour couldn't give this answer. Oya explain this bold to Candour why he expects me to give to Jesus physically when I'm already in Abraham like how levi was in Abraham(His seed, Jesus came from Judah, I am in Jesus do the maths)Go and sleep, don't let tithe take your sleep. . I see where confusing the WHOLE issues. |
Gombs: *looks at reply, my questions 1 to 9 aint answered, drops fone and goes to bed with a big smileI should answer all your questions before you wake up tomorrow or at most when I wake up. Cool down, I need to read the thread from where I left off following the discussion. Good night and sleep tight. |
Gombs: Hebrews 7 v 9-10 AMPI don't understand what you saying here. However,what the writer is saying is, what Paul the Apostle said when he said "in Adam, we all sinned because we're in Adam when he sinned". So, we are made or born sinner,not because we broke any 10 commandments when we were born and in same manner and truth,"in Christ, we are made righteous". Levi did not pay tithe physically but in Abraham. So,both Abraham and Levite in him, the writer is showing Melchizedek is greater than them both. Now, when this same Levi was born, he further have a commandment according to the Law to receive tithe from other Israelites, he didn't receive tithe in Abraham, notice. That commandment was further disannulled and the priesthood changed. You've been talking about 'order of Melchizedek'. It's very simple - 1,2,3 are numberic order in which AFTER 1 is 2 and AFTER 2 is 3. A,B,C is an alphabetic order. When you have A following the order of 1,we all know that's another order called alphanumeric. Jesus is 'in the order of' BUT NOT Melchizedek himself. |
ayoku777:Was that a typo error which you meant to type Jesus is NOT or you meant what you typed? Just an observation bro. |
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Your Esau unfollows thread, your Isaac still in the thread....
. Very funny. Gomb dey gombe ,me i dey ph stadium now for music concert.

This mysterious Melchizedek is the prototype of Jesus Christ.