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idnoble135: Of course i wont.
Your post here is a good reason why i should not.
When i told Kun that i learnt as God showed me. He mocked me thinking i was talking and pretending to have something.
Rather, i will wait for you to prove my now four posts wrong.

First, rhema word doesn't contradict the written else everyone will make up their own interpretation and say, God told me or taught me or revealed to me.

Please, I only read of one point you said Christ tithe, please quote yourself in the other three and so, it be together and I can prove or address them.

Thanks.

idnoble135: I shall email it to you instead. I already said before posting this that this will provoke reactions. Will email you.

That's unfair. You only want to hoard revelations? Share it here and we will all look at it.

idnoble135: @Goshen, Interesting! The matured Christian laughing at another Christian. The height of maturity and Christlikeness.
And to say, i would be a kid if i did not expect things of this nature.

Don't worry about that, my childish behavior. Even an adult can pee in the pant sometimes.

But wait o, how did you get that revelation? Can you share the rest revelation to show Jesus paid tithe? At least, in the mouth or two or three witnesses, the truth shall be established. Please share the other revelations please.

Alwaystrue: Hmmm, most of what I have been picking lately has been more on meditation, something drops and I confirm from scriptures and vice versa.I[b] will like to know the other one. [/b]Thank you.

, mehn, I can't stop laughing at this dude, idnoble135. Chei, tithe ooo, see wetin tithe don cause o.

Alwaystrue: @idnoble,
I know Abraham and his descendants tithe of which we are a part of through Jesus Christ but I must tell you I went to check the bible to confirm this and I am just wowed!

Indeed not only did He teach, He also did.

Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Hmmm, so there were some things not recorded. Weldone @idnoble.

We know you're waiting to endorse every fraudulent twisting as long as it is tithe.

idnoble135: lol, even Goshen lies in wait? This is serious.

obadiah777: what Goshen lacks is application. his scripture and topics do not address or reference whats happening in the world today. he has one of these fantasy doctrines that stays in a vacuum of its own and is totally unrelated and unconnected to the world we live in

At least, unlike you, I don't teach heretic like 90% of bible is allegory, teaching and saying Christ is angel Michael, denying the virgin birth of Christ prophesied on the prophet, mis representing scriptures etc.

Logicboy03: One trick pony!


Everything na law law law with you.

Moses law
Old testament law and grace
judaizer law.



Unfollowing topic and unfollowing you as a member

MEILYN: whats with the, law law, grace grace?. Its getting boring abeg.

Because God took away one (the law covenant) to establish the new (the covenant of Grace). People keep teaching laws of Moses to Christians not knowing they are teaching Christians or giving them strength and ability to sin more. Law is the strength of sin. So, you ser someone hammering on law, such have the strength of sinning. Christ is the CURE FOR SIN not the law of Moses!!!

[quote author=idnoble135]@Alwaystrue, i'm going to give one good point why i believe he did. Thats the last point i will make on tithe. Some monikers against tithe were here and yet provided no answer to about three posts i made.
Till those posts are addressed with clear cut answers, i will keep quiet over the issue.
Like i said, i will give one more point why i believe Jesus tithed. Give me say thirty minutes.[/quote]

I'm also waiting to read how and where Christ paid tithe or tithed. Eagerly waiting!!!

In the midst of intensive arguments and confusion going on in the body of Christ today, I want to correct a serious and long held erroneous teachings that Christ came to make the Law(s) of Moses higher for Christians. This teaching is false and erroneous. Christ didn't come to give Christians or his followers more laws, rules and regulations nor make the already existing laws of Moses higher. The people of the law or under the dispensation of law of Moses of which Christ was born into, could not even keep the law of Moses. Why then would Christ come to still raise the standard of what people could not keep?

Some people say or teach, Christ came to show the 'true intent' of the law. What is the true intent of 'thou shall not commit' order than what it says - thou shall not commit adultery. It can't mean anything else and it must remain. The people under the Law could still not keep thou shall not commit adultery, meaning they can't keep the whole law. They're still committing adultery even when the law says otherwise. You break one, you break all is the spirit of the law.

John 1:17
Amplified Bible (AMP)
For while the Law was given through Moses, grace (unearned, undeserved favor and spiritual blessing) and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Law had already being given by Moses through angels. The scripture says Christ came with Grace and truth. What is the truth that the people of the law are lacking towards 'thou shall not commit adultery' for example?

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

Many people use this verse and say, Christ was raising the standard towards thou shall not commit adultery. This is erroneous interpretation for ages. Christ is not raising the standard. Raising the standard will mean, you can't keep it more and more because the people can't even keep the lower standard, then why raise the standard. What is Christ says and what is the truth here?

Christ was addressing and curing the root cause of adultery as well as other sins against the Law. What do I mean? The revelation was given to the Apostles James,

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:15

The heart is the source of all issues of life. Especially when such heart is flowing from love. The heart must be supported by Grace and truth in Christ.

to be continue . . .

Alwaystrue: There was some things I expect you to just meditate on but I am surprised you now try everything to prove a point.

But I am saying this for your benefit and will not comments anymore om this thread:

1. Why would Jesus tithe when He did not have secular work? And His testament was not yet sealed till His death and He was born during the Levitival Priesthood so all offerings and tithes went to the temple yet he never condemned this and Paul reaffirmed it.

2. The Christians in Jerusalem gave all during the time of the apostles so they were giving 100% yet there were still complaints even within the widows when they did not get out of it. Strangely though it was not a law yet Ananias decided to go ahead and kept part and lied and lost his life.

3. Paul was being examined why? You can check the 1 Corinthians 9 and he decided to let go of what He called a right, so why will he use the right? Still he received gifts one of which he even called a fragrant offering and acceptable sacrifice. Phil 4:18 and he blessed them in verse 19. Paul ws not afraid to use a burnt offering term to describe it. He understood it. Anything of sacrifice is a burnt offering.

4. The offering for the poor saints was because of the famine and they had been giving their all already so the offerings were given to help them, it was not meant to be continuous. Atleast till they got back to their feet.

I am actually dissappointed that even when some of your fellows say some very heretical statements about Jesus and His word you still feel comfortable bantering with them even calling Jesus what He should not be called. Because something has been abused does not make the use wrong. You are not focusing on the right thing here.

Still nothing is compulsory but for our benefit whatever we do.
If Paul and Silas had not praised, may be the prison doors might not have opened on time, even Jesus said somethings goeth not out but by fasting and prayer, Jesus said we give and we receive, may be if prayers were not going on for Peter on Acts 12:5, he might not have been released on time. God has blessed us but their are something things we need to do to also access them. He has given us food but we need to work for it and so on.

It is one thing to not believe in a thing. It is another to make mockery of what you do not understand.
It is becoming ridiculous seeing some comments.
Please just spend time to do your own meditation, rather than trying to argue and score cheap points, be strong in your concluded stand irrespective of what anyone says.

Thanks for the time.
God bless you.

Rubbish and sentiments as usual. Is it too hard for you and your tithe merchants to show us ONE SINGLE verse where tithe was mentioned for New Testament Christians? Aren't you the same that quotes and proliferate the whole threads with Hebrews scriptures where a testator must die before a testament can be in force?

Every where tithe is taught, the word 'tithe' is used and it must surface. Give us just one single verse where tithe is mentioned for Christians or remain a liar!!!

@ OP,

My experience is great o. I will share later.

alexleo: Fornication, adultery, killing, cheating, hatred etc are still sin right from the old testament till now. Anybody who engages in any of them after he has been saved has sinned. Galatians 5:19 says it better here-

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But I guess you talking with respect to tithe anyway.

What I'm saying is, sin existed before the law. You don't need the law to stop you from sinning, you\people need the Spirit of Christ. People have been sinning before the law as you said but the law came and made sin worse. I was talking from the point or angle of defining sin as transgression of the law. Then if you have no law to transgress, you sin not.

OLAADEGBU: 10% is the least that is expected from believers. Have you ever thought of making your 100% available for God's use?

Where is this your "10% is the least that is expected from believers" an instruction for Christians? Where then is 'giving as you purpose in your heart? You mean a Christain cannot give less than 10% from his\her heart? This your above statement contradict the very line you just said:

OLAADEGBU: Faithful Christian stewardship demands that we should be willing to use 100% of our financial resources as the Lord see fit. God is less concerned with how much we give as a measure of our love for Him and His work than with what we keep and spend on ourselves.

Candour: And I tell you it's a lie. Haba! How can you come here and tell us Paul ordered Christians to give? Give otherwise he'll do what?

Read that 1Cor 16:1-2 again. Concerning the collections which they already knew about, he gave an order on format of collection which was 'set it aside on first day of the week'. What is so difficult to understand?

Every believed knows knows he's to give if he truly realises what God gave up for him or her. So how can you justify saying Paul ordered them to give. Where is the God loveth a cheerful giver part?

Paul didn't collect tithes. He collected freewill collections and he didn't need to force anybody because He had no right to.

This your thinking is what egged Rev King on to murder o. Having power over Christians? Haba!

This dude you're talking to doesn't even know nor understand that the word 'commandment' means different things in scriptures. In their legalistic mind, they think when you read or hear the word command or commandment, it is a stated rules, regulations etc. If you think I lie, pick you bible and concordance, find where Jesus said "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you" and also find another place for commandments in the old and new and see the difference. They are legalist and will always interpret scriptures in their legalistic mind. No wonder Paul said, renew your mind.

luluosas: What is scripture then? And what stops you from quoting where Angels were the ones that gave Moses the law and not God as you claimed?

Every thing written in scriptures doesn't apply to you as a Christian to follow and\or obey. The dispensation of the Law was for people 'under the law' but you, Christians are not 'under the law', of Moses. As for the scriptures you requested,

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it (the law) was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Expanded Bible (EXB)
So what was the law for? It was ·given to show that the wrong things people do are against God’s will [L added because of transgressions]. And it continued until the ·special descendant [seed], who had been promised, came. The law was given through angels [Acts 7:53; Heb. 2:2] ·who used Moses for a mediator to give the law to people [ by the hand of a mediator/intermediary].

Galatians 3:19

Expanded Bible (EXB)
You received the law of Moses, which God gave you through his angels [Gal. 3:19; Heb. 2:2], but you haven’t obeyed it.” Acts 7:53

Enigma: In addition to the now constant shouts of "empty your wallets to the Lord", I should aso point out that some men and women of God are actually so 'kind' and 'forward thinking' to have taken things to a new level with their higher level message:

"Empty your bank and credit card accounts ---- for the 'pastor'"!

As if the Apostles did all these ^ above to their listeners. Big brother, The Grace is sufficient for me, I'm determined to return home after I'm done here to fight these corruption in the body of Christ in Nigeria. The Lord keep you till then, you will be alive to hear testimonies. These gospel merchants must be chased out of business, then the Lord shall come for the church without spot and wrinkle.

^ This is the devilish deception in tithe teaching and teachers - On one side, because they have been exposed, they run to 'tithe before the law'. Ask them when did this tithing before the law BECAME A LAW for Christians? They use hypocrisy to lie and handle the word. Ask them, are items of tithe (spoils from war) 'before' the law acceptable as items of tithe under the law? There's no answer. They are confused and so, they confuse their readers\followers.

Abraham was blessed and rich BEFORE his act of tithing but tithing under the law is a conditional act, do it and God will then open the windows of heaven. If you don't, you're cursed with a curse. That's not the same as Abraham tithe. No person on earth cursed Abraham FOR NOT BRINGING all tithe into the storehouse. They hide under tithe 'before' the law and yet, the quote tithing under the law and enforce it by threat of devourer.

^ okay. No wahala. Good night.

idnoble135: Lol... You never can tell! Scripture is silent on that. Samuel did not come from Levi, or a priestly family yet he functioned as a priest. David was not a levite but he ate of the holy bread meant for levites.
I'm not trying to say Christ collected tithes o, i'm saying instead, that you can not be sure that he did not collect it, since the scriptures did not say anything on it.
The words of Spurgeon, "be silent where the bible is silent".

Jesus could not have received tithe because Hebrews 7 says so. Samuel's priesthood is a type and shadow of believer's priesthood. Christ is our high priest and priest don't pay tithe to high priest, even under the law. As for David, don't even go there because, if I show you sometimes about David now and do teaching with it, I'm sure you will not agree with me.

idnoble135: If Jesus could cancel divorce as related to the law before he died, why cant he also cancel it before he died?

Again, the practices of the law was still in force then. Jesus was rebuking the scribes and pharisees, not his teaching his disciples. If you think Christ was addressing the church, in that verse, then put your name in Matthew 23:23 and re-read it and listen to how it sounds.

idnoble135: It pre existed before the law. It was not done away with.

Okay, this is the main issue with tithe teachers. When you say it predated the law. Why then do you return to the law tithe to threaten non tithers with curse of Malachi? The tithe that predated the law, was it given in order to secure blessings? Was it from income or monetary wages or salary?

alexleo: Controversy

1. It was often hard for the Israelites to realize that their God was no respecter of persons. Many of the Pharisees, and also some of the converts to Christianity in the apostolic days, clung to the idea that salvation was of and for the Jews alone. They looked upon the people of the Gentile nations as heathen, without hope in this world or in the world to come, unless they became Jews and subscribed to Israel’s Law. “There rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses” [Acts:15:5]).

2. The Guiding Spirit
The Apostles and elders, guided by the Holy Ghost, realized that the Law had been fulfilled in Christ and was no longer in force. “We have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: . . . We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; that ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication” [Acts:15:24], [Acts:15:27-29]). They ruled that there was no necessity for circumcision. No mention was made of keeping the holy days, the new moons, or the Sabbath Days; nor was there any mention of eating or of not eating meats, except abstinence from meats offered to idols.

1. Salvation is of the Jews truly but that was BEFORE the Cross. The Cross, death and resurrection of Christ that began the New Covenant is the difference. That's the revelation and victory of the finished works that Christians are to believe in. It's all done by Christ.

2. The Law had been fulfilled, why are many Christians still trying to keep what has been fulfilled or done by Christ? That's trying to resurrect the works of the law and do the law against or keep it by ourselves. Then such Christians are saying, the finished works is not enough, and such are fallen from Grace.

Grace be multiplied unto all. The End. We can continue our discussion thereafter now.

alexleo: Law and Grace

1. The Law was very stringent in its demand for obedience. “Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all” [James:2:10]). “thou shalt not” was the basis of the Law’s commandments, and the Children of Israel learned through the commandments that sin was exceedingly sinful [Romans:7:13]). Do or die was the spirit of the Law.

2. Many of the precepts of the Laws, as high as they are, fall short of the standard set up by Jesus. The Law was a shadow of good things to come, but when the full light of the Gospel in Jesus Christ shone forth, the shadow disappeared. The Law said, “Eye for eye, tooth for tooth”; but Jesus commanded, “Whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also” [Matthew:5:39]). The Law said, “Thou shalt not commit adultery”; but Jesus lifted the standard higher: “I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart” [Matthew:5:28]). “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire” [Matthew:5:21-22]).

3. A careful study of the Scriptures will reveal that the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are reaffirmed in the New Testament on a higher plane than in the Old Testament, with the notable exception of the Fourth Commandment. Nowhere in the New Testament is the commandment concerning the Jewish Sabbath reaffirme

Point #1 and your point #3 are contradictory. If you must keep the law, you must keep the whole but sabbath is part of the 10. You cannot break sabbath and say you keep the rest. You actually breaking all according to point #1. What does this mean? Some of the 10 commandment resurfaced in the New Covenant doesn't say so because the law said so. By the Spirit's guidance, you don't commit adultery, steal, murder etc. You don't need the law to tell you that under the New Covenant, the Spirit does that. The Law only helps you know what sin is but cannot help you stop sinning. Another thing I want to point out here is, the 10 commandments is not different from other commandments neither is it special. The law of Moses is taken and ONE and whole. There's nowhere in scripture where disctinction or special preference was given to the 10 than the rest.

2. Jesus wasn't raising standards of the law because the existing laws, men could not keep it. Why would Jesus then be raising the standard of the law then? What Jesus was doing is, treating the root of the cause for adultery - which is the inner man or the heart. If your heart is right, there wont be such lusting. So, the Apostles revealed what Jesus was saying - sin, when it is conceived will give birth to LUST. etc.

alexleo: New Covenant

1. God established the new Covenant to fulfil the old Covenant, having planned the new Covenant from the foundation of the earth. The great price of the new Covenant was that which led the Lord out to Calvary’s cross and caused Him to be crucified there, that through the Blood that was shed, through His life surrendered and yielded up, a Covenant could be made -– not only with the Jews but with all mankind individually -– by which they might be reconciled to God.

2. That Covenant was for the purpose of bridging the gulf that was made by sin, which separated man from God. The only means by which it could be bridged was the price that Jesus paid, the Blood He shed, the offering He gave, the Atonement He made by which humanity might be reconciled to God. It is a wonderful thing that God has made provision by which man can overcome sin and be restored to Him; and, above all, can have love planted in the heart -– love toward God, love toward man. The law of love is the new law under the dispensation of Grace.

1. This is a very big error sir. The New Covenant is NOT and NEVER to fulfill the Old Covenant. The New Covenant was to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant. The Old is completely and distinctively different from the Old. Hebrews 8:7-9 with emphasis on verse 8.

2. Point #1 and #2 are saying two different things. Point #2 is okay but to add, LOVE is a commandment under the New, just like the 10 is a commandement under the Old. Love is not LAW. Christians have a law in Christ, it is called LAW of the Spirit of Life...in Christ. That is, when we are led and guided by the Holy Spirit, we are a LAW unto ourselves but not the LAW of Moses.

alexleo: The Dispensation of Grace

1. The “better thing” that God provided for us is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

2. The birth of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, marked the beginning of a new dispensation in God’s dealings with men-– the dispensation of Grace. The time had come when all limits were swept away, all bounds of nationality were passed over, and God’s grace was carried directly unto all men. Jesus said to the woman of Samaria: “The hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. . . . But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him” [John:4:21], [John:4:23]).

3. No longer was there any need for the earthly priesthood; no more did acceptable worship depend upon the centralised Temple ceremony; no more was animal sacrifice or ritual needed to gain the approval of God and the forgiveness of sins. The honest heart, in any country, can come to God with faith in Jesus Christ and true repentance of sins and receive the witness in his heart that his prayer has been heard and his sins forgiven.

1. The better things God promised was Christ Himself and the Holy Spirit. However, the gospel of Christ came because the testator must write his will and testament before his death and so, that will and testament will be in force after the death of such testator.

2. #2 is completely not correct. It was the death of Christ that enforced the dispensation of Grace under the New covenant. That's why the revelation of his death and finished works was revealed to the Apostles, especially Paul.

3. At this point, If there's no any need for any earthly priesthood, then don't you think there should also be not any need to tithing to a earthly priesthood nor any physical or centralized temple? This is my issue with us in the body of Christ, we can't pick some things from the law and hold on to it while we say others are done away with. The tithe was given to the Levites as officiating in the physical temple, the temple destroyed and the priesthood gone, why shouldn't the tithe also be gone? Just think about that!!! Tithing is part of the law and if the law is done away with, it means tithe is done away with the law.

alexleo: The Purpose of the Law

1. The Law was beautiful and glorious because it pointed to the perfect Sacrifice to come, the Lord Jesus Christ.

2. God intended that the Law should be educational in nature to the Children of Israel -– not that the Law in itself could bring salvation.

“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith” [Galatians:3:24]). “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. . . . For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins” [Hebrews:10:1], [Hebrews:10:4]).

3. Truly there were some outstanding examples of righteous men under the Law -– men who were saved and sanctified; but their righteousness stemmed not from the works of the Law but from their faith in God and obedience to His Word. “Time would fail me to tell of Gideon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthah; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, . . . these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect” [Hebrews:11:32-33], [Hebrews:11:39];[Hebrews:11:40]).

I will respond to this in the numbering order. I'm tired at the time of replying to this thread so I will not quote scriptures as such.

1. Yes, the law was beautiful and glorious but the new covenant is much more glorious and better. Now, that Christ that the law hides, had come, we longer need the law. It had fulfilled it purpose from the divine angle, not from the angle of Israelites but they thought they could DO something for God, that keep laws, but they can't.

2. God never intended the law for Israel. They demanded it just like many Christians today are still demanding to keep the law, rules and regulations instead of resting in the finished works of Christ, what God had done through Christ. Truly, the Law cannot saved and doesn't deliver the promised covenant.

3. There's is righteousness of the Law and their is a righteousness which is by faith. These men, though walked in faith but still could not receive the promise - Christ + the Holy Spirit because the finished works of Christ have not come and be completed yet.

idnoble135: It is well. See the way i was singled out when i made my stance known, lol. It is well.
As the days go by, i'd trust to make posts. I've read threads where it is told that Jesus never tithed, yet He did. I've read threads where it is told that tithe is self righteousness... Lol! Tithe is not self righteousness, its not, it bigger than that.
Thanks to the pro tithe and anti tithe whose posts forced me to search out scriptures for my self.
Like my first post on this thread states, Jesus never cancelled tithes, if it was the Father's will, Jesus will have been prompted to specifically cancel it. He already cancelled the early view on divorce, murder, lust etc. But it came to tithe and there was no, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU", rather, it was "THESE THINGS YE OUGHT TO DO". That to me is the biggest evidence in line with the thread, why tithe still exists.
And with this, i think i'm done with the thread.

Jesus could not have cancelled tithe at the time the dispensation of LAW was still in force. If he approved it then, in Matthew 23:23, was he the one collecting or receiving the tithe from those who paid the tithe then? Remember, Jesus cannot receive tithe because he wasn't a Levite.

idnoble135: lol.... Interesting. Yes pls.
Hope i can keep up the steam, its getting late.

Okay, if you are not following Mosaic Law, why then do you single out tithe only to still follow from the Mosaic Law?

6. Dispensation of Grace. Messiah (the New Covenant) symbolized by the Passover Cup and Bread. It began with the New Covenant in Christ’s blood (Luke 22:20). This “Age of Grace” or “Church Age”. It starts with the death of Christ and ends with the Rapture of the church (1 Thessalonians 4). This dispensation is worldwide and includes both Jews and the Gentiles. Believer's responsibility during the Dispensation of Grace is to believe or have faith in the FINISHED WORKS or ALREADY DONE WORKS of Jesus, the Son of God (John 3:18) JUST LIKE IT WAS WITH THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT because Abrahamic covenant is a form and foreshadow of the Grace dispensation and of the New Covenant of Christ. In this dispensation the Holy Spirit indwells believers as the Comforter (John 14:16-26).

Is the New Covenant a continuation of the Old Mosaic Covenant of LAW? The answer is NO and they should not be confused or mixed together because they both operate different terms and agreement. Hebrews chapter 8 and 9 intensively taught the NEW Covenant and Hebrews 8:7-9 says,

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

God is saying here, the New Covenant WILL NOT be as the terms and agreement of the Old, that is, the Mosaic covenant of the law. Those who continue in some practices of Old covenant under the new are confused. Everything under the Old is done away and doesn't apply to Christians, including the ten commandments. Does that mean we can commit adultery, kill or murder etc? NO!!! You don't need the Law to tell you not to commit adultery, it is against the new nature in Christ and the Holy Spirit replaced the law and tells you adultery, murdering etc is bad. We are no longer guided by rules, codes, regulations etc but by the Spirit. As many as are led by the Spirit, they are sons of God. The Law has no charges or anything to say against the fruit the Holy Spirit produces in us.

The End

19 What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law] was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels [and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go-between [Moses, an intermediary person between God and man]

Paul the Apostle said, the LAW was ADDED...later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt because of transgressions and to make men more conscious of the sinfulness of sin.. Ladies and Gentlemen, what was their guilt? What was their transgression? that added the law to them? Please go back to the conversation in Exodus 19, now verse 7-8

7 So Moses called for the elders of the people and told them all these words which the Lord commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord has spoken we will do. And Moses reported the words of the people to the Lord.

Why would Moses 'report' their words to the Lord? In the Hebrew syntax, the way the people answered, it portrayed arrogance, self righteousness and self efforts. It denotes God should not do anything for them based on His Gracious acts (according to the Abrahamic covenant which was in force based on gracious acts of God) as in verse 4 of Exodus 19 but that God should bless, be gracious and favour them based on their OWN WORKS, that is, DOING something to attract God's wonderful acts; which is basically what the law demands. That's why Paul called it WORKS of the LAW because the law demands DOING and the people said they will DO...in an arrogant manner, self efforts and self righteousness. They are saying, God, henceforth, don't deal with us based of Abrahamic covenant but based on OUR OWN DOINGS and our PERFOMANCES.

This is how the people of Israel got the LAW added and given to them to change from the Abrahamic covenant into the Mosaic and this covenant was ratififed BY THE LAW. The Law became the terms of the agreement or covenant between God and Israel. The Covenant of the Law continued until AFTER the death and resurection of Christ and the Cross of Christ is the great divider.

Then God gave the Law, the 10 commandments in Exodus 20 because of this GUILT and TRANSGRESSION of the people. Then Paul called these 10 commandments MINISTRY OF DEATH. What does this mean? When Israel demanded or changed from Abrahamic covenant to the Law covenant, things changed. In Exodus 14:11; 15:23-25 and 16:3, (BEFORE the law was given and enforced the Mosaic covenant) the children of Israel complained and murmured BUT didn't die BUT after the covenant of the Law was in force and changed from Abrahamic to the Law, they complain the same complain in Numbers 21:5-6 AND THEY DIED!!! This is because a different covenant (of the Law and Law dispensation) was in force now.

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God remembered His covenant with Abraham and GRACIOUSLY brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. They didn't DO anything for God to deliver them. They didn't OBEY any law for God to do this, bring them out of Egypt. It was all God's effort and Grace based on His promises and covenant with Abraham; the covenant based on what God does, not what man DO.

BEFORE the Law was given, the ten commandments inclusive; NONE of the children of Israel died.They murmured, complained, sinned, rebellious etc BUT they NEVER died, BEFORE the law was given. Why? Because the Abrahamic covenant was still in force - a foreshadow of the covenant of Grace (unmerited and undeserved favour) + faith. They didn't DO (which is a demand of the LAW) anything for God to open the red sea, feed them with manna from heaven, lead them with pillar of fire and cloud, give them water from the rock etc. They didn't obey any law, it was all based on God's unmerited favour because they were still under the Abrahamic covenant, the law had not in enforced yet at all these time, the Gracious acts of God is in operation.

The children of Israel DEMANDED the LAW by themselves - meaning they demanded God NOT to do anything for them based on His Gracious acts according to the Abrahamic covenant BUT that God should do things for them based on their OWN WORKS.

3 And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him out of the mountain, Say this to the house of Jacob and tell the Israelites:

4 You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself.

5 Now therefore, if you will obey My voice in truth and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own peculiar possession and treasure from among and above all peoples; for all the earth is Mine. Exodus 19

Follow the conversation in the Spirit!!! In verse 4, It was God's gracious effort that is speaking that did all that was done for the Israelites. In verse 5, God demanded they obey His VOICE, NOT LAWS because in Exodus 19, the Law had not being given yet. God also demanded they keep His Covenant. Which covenant? Many people do not study deeply (depending on our talk on dispensations above) will think it is talking about the covenant of the law here, NO! It was still the covenant with Abraham (Paul called it covenant BEFORE the Law) that is still in force here and that's the intention of God here - to keep and follow on with the Abrahamic covenant, not to be 'under the law'. Alas, the big change came!!!

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