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God2man: I am very sad about this forum. I registered 2011, if i am not mistaken, there are over 100 threads on only one topic, TITHE, it is disheartening with the way they called old men of God that are old enough to be their fathers , thieves, fraudster, and that they are teaching nonsense, the Bible says, we should respect elders, there is no courtesy,a good christian must have the fruit of the spirit, up till now, i keep asking, are they Christians or Atheist? Because a good christian will not call old men of God thieves, it is not possibe, but this is in the dictionary of Anti-tithers. It is what you respect that comes into your life, if you want to grow old, you should respect your elders in the Christiandom, they are not Jesus, but they are the respresentatives of God on earth

First, I believe you start out with good intension but I took time to understand what you saying. I understand what you said out of good heart and I also understand what you said based on ignorance and what you said based on religion and what you said based on 'follow-follow' mentality and what you said based on emotion.

The above I agree with you not calling them all names but that is not to say they cannot be spoken against or called out when they teach what is not sound doctrine. Also, you must understand not everyone of us will address issues with the same level. Please, let this understand be in you.

God2man: There are more than enough topics in the Bible, i beg all of them to stop this overflogged, overdebated, tithe issue on nairaland, in fact, the moderators should delete any topic on Tithe, it is a bad thing for this forum to fight against what the whole churches in Nigeria stood for, i mean paying of tithe, i understand that some churches may not preach about tithe, one thing is sure, they will NEVER stop anybody from paying tithe to them. They will accept it, directly or indirectly.

Now, this is the issue of religious sentiments and churchianity. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many walk in it. I know you might want to read the religious mind into that text but it is what it is - many people will be doing what seems to be right but that God never approved. The fact that many Nigeria churches are doing it doesn't make it right.

The Lord said, for sometime you won't see me and after some time, you will see me again. These are the days we're are seeing the Jesus-kind of Christians. People who will not come to Christ because they want blessings, people who are challenge any religious teachings going on before, just like Jesus wiped the thieves in the temple. People who focus on Christ without mixing Judaism. These are all what Nigeria religious church is all about. But the good news is, there remain a remnant according to election of Grace.

You just said no matter the fight, it is an exercise in futility. You failed to understand the awakening is just beginning. First, by myself, I have delivered one RCCG pastor that used to be and is still my mentor. I discussed with him, calling him from the States here and as I began to delve into the word, he knew I was saying the truth. I told him to go study the subject of tithe again. Lo and behold, he called me back and said I was right. This might be a shocker to you - he resigned from RCCG and I wasn't the one that instructed him to resign.

Again, I'm believing God to start a teaching ministry in Nigeria and hope you will be alive to here of one brother Godwin (my real name) some day in the future. All false teachings (including tithe) going on before shall be dismantled. All Judaism shall be removed out of Christianity and the reality of the New Covenant in the finished works will be presented. I will not collect tithe directly or indirectly because ministry as the Lord is teaching me, is to care for the flock of God not collecting from them and it's a big responsibility. Ministry had been hijacked by men who are Judaizer but thinking they are practicing Christianity. If it is not Christ-like, it is not Christianity!!!

God2man: The question is why are people so desperate to stop tithing from all churches, this is an exercise in futility, a waste of time, an insult to Nigerian churches, and it is like they are playing on our inteligence.

Very simple - Because it negates the Grace of Christ, the message of the Cross and the Apostolic doctrine.

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Act 2:42

You can't just conclude it is waste of time or exercise in futility, there is a great revival going on right now and knowledge is increasing. Wait a minute, what do you think when Christ said "in the last days, there will be many false Christ and they shall deceive many. . . " You think these false Christ will call themselves Christ? Just like Christ wiped the thieves out of the temple, we will continue these fight and awareness and in time to come, these false teachings to Christians will spread and apparently, those in business will be put out of business.

God2man: You can deceive one person at a time, but it is difficult to deceive everybody at the same time. If you think that you are smart and you know Bible, i think as a wise person, you should know that other people are smart, wise, intelligent and have a great knowledge about the Bible.

Lemme tell you what you don't understand. We present the truth as it is concerning tithe and tell whoever we teaching not to take our words for it but they should go, like the Bereans and study every where the tithe and tithing was ever taught in scripture and then we always get result except for those whose mind are religiously blinded because they exalted the words of their pastors more than the word of God. They can't believe their man of God can be lying to them for years. However, many Christians are too lazy to do study for themselves. The pastor is their bible study and they were indoctrinated to believe only men of God have 'special revelation' on God's word.

When someone want to build a house, the first thing is foundation. These men of God have laid foundation for continuous collection of tithe by mixing Judaism with Christianity. They have lifted what was written to Israel as what was written to the Church. Church people are confused, not knowing there left to right. They have created fear in the heart of people but lo and behold, my bible tells me, perfect love of God cast out fear. They have laid foundation in such a way that, they will continue to have customers coming to them for deliverance and visions and special messages\revelation etc which will in turn necessitate seed offerings and 'sow into the anointing' or 'point of contact' nonsense.

^ But, there's a remnant that have gone and be with the Lord and we have found of the tricks of the devil perpetrated by his minister calling themselves ministers of Christ. We have found the lies of the devil used by men on the pulpit to put God's children in bondage. Deliverance is here for God's people and do not think deliverance means casting out devils from a Christians but it means, accepting what had been done, what Christ had done by the One time offering of His blood.

Glory to God.

God2man: This is the scenario, i believe a smart person that comes to this forum with his theology will take a great disposition and humble himself to listen to opposing view, but this is not the case on nairalan, they will insult you, call you names and make you to hate the forum.

We have listened to you pro-tithe. What are your teaching? Tithing pre-date the law. You don't dispute that. From the pulpit, e.g Pastor E.A. Adeboye, returns to Malachi and threatens worshipers with curse of devourer? Can you honestly tell us he is preaching tithe that pre-dated the law? Pastor E.A. Adeboye instructed all parishes there will be no ordination or marriage conducted for non-tithers. Lemme tell you the truth in my heart today, I lost respect for him when I heard\read that. That's outright UN-APOSTOLIC!!!

2. Even Bidam your tithe brother agrees that Malachi was written to nation of Israel and the priest then but what do we see on the pulpit, pastors on the pulpit will quote out of context and deceive many to part weekly with their money every Sunday. This is also UN-APOSTOLIC!!!

3. I once asked someone, if I tithe ONCE like Abraham,can it be said that I am a tithe. Guess what, the person said, YES!!! I'm a tither. Why then should we be labeled anti-tithe if we, most against tithing for Christians had tithed more than ONCE unlike Abraham? Abraham wasn't obeying yearly commandment of tithe as commanded under the law of Moses, hence, the once. Many of us had tithed more than once, If God is to judge us or reward us based on more than once act, we should be more blessed than Abraham or what do you think?

4. Abraham did animal sacrifice before the law, should we, Christians also follow this example today? Abraham slept with house maid, should we do that? Abraham went to war, should we do that? Abraham used flesh to help God, should we do that?

5. Abraham's tithing of spoils from the war' is never included as content of tithe under the law. Hence, it is not a continuation or an extension of Abraham's tithe officially commanded in the law. Other things mentioned above that Abraham did were all addressed under the law but items from war were never accepted or included as tithable items under the law. So, why the confusion?

6. Abraham's tithing as he was operate under the 'covenant of promise' then. The covenant of the law (by works, men trying to do something for God instead of God doing some for men) came and everything changed. The law was given so that men will come to the end of his self efforts.

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. Romans 4:2

God2man: The owner of the forum may think this argument is favourable to him, but he has forgotten that what goes round comes around, it is counterproductive, very soon people will not like to visit this forum again.

You're simply using same tactics as these men of God we talking about. How do you know people will not come here anymore? Through this forum alone, many had been released from the yoke of men and bondage of the law of tithing. I have not tithed for many years, I have a good job, good benefits and pay and yet, I'm yet to see any 'devourer' in my life. Without boasting, I'm far better than many tithers in Nigeria. I know some religious mind will say I'm boasting but far from it - I'm saying what I am today is all by God's undeserved favour on me. I do not tithe but I'm a giver as I'm blessed.

God2man: Anti-tithers on nairaland have been adopting different strategies to achieve their aims.

1. They used different ID's

2. They twist the scripture.

3. When they lost the arguement, they will result to insult.

4. They are very cunny.


A word is enough for the wise.

God bless all my brethren on this forum.

God2man.

1. I know many pro-tither who have more than 3 I.Ds, are you people not also guilty of same? Have you heard of online tracking softwares? All you have to do is, get one of them and install on your computer and run or open nairaland dot com on that software and you will be shocked how many of your pro-tithers with several I.Ds.

2. The most people I have seen twisting scripture the most are the pro-tithers e.g Olaadegbu, Bidam, Image123, Joagbaje, Gombs, Alwaystrue or abi na AlwaysLIE be that one name sef . These are chief scripture twisters on this forum as regards tithe. Scripture don't speak in tongues but very clear.

3. Who and who are arguing? Who lost and who won? Are you saying the pro-tithers don't insult us too. Both sides are guilty of insulting one another and I won't support one side against the other. In all, we should all be civic in our communication without resulting to insult.

4. Again, the greatest cunny people I have met in my whole life are, Olaadegbu, Bidam, Image123, Joagbaje, Gombs, Alwaystrue. Ask them questions, they will go in circle and give you scriptures that is far away from the point. They turn the table into something else. They are incapable of reasoning the scripture. Ask them simple logic question, they will attack your person and say you're too proud and using human knowledge to understand the word as if when the Holy Spirit teaches, he put the knowledge in the leg, not in our mind.

^^^ Well done.

made2fit: Meaning?

Meaning, the Apostles explained what sin against the Holy Spirit is ... as revealed to them by Christ.

I will address some issues raised by the OP and Bidam from the biblical and Apostolic point of view later in the day.

christemmbassey:

My brother, the ONLY way you can understand the Lord's teaching in Matthew to John is to put on the lens of the revealed messages to the holy Apostles, using the understanding and knowledge of the revealed to interpret what Christ himself said because Christ said it and he alone revealed what he said.

christemmbassey: i tot u give offerings to God? Dat scripture u've just quoted to my nation.

No, the "my nation" = the church in Ola's study guide which is the Ph.D or AIG. If it's not by those two, it's heresy.

OLAADEGBU: Are you also going to deny that Paul called those collections offerings when he brought them to Jerusalem in the verse below? Stop diluting the word of God.

"And after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings" (Acts 24:17).

Scriptures prove you wrong again as you can see Paul did not only mention percentage giving but also offerings.

You are the one saying Paul meant offering in Corinth, not me. Why don't you replace collections for offering in acts where Paul talking about himself not writing to the church and see how it reads. Do you even understand contextually when you study the word, if at all you do?

OLAADEGBU: So you are now admitting that money was used as offering, no? And what does proportion mean if not in percentage, Mr. Mountebank?

OLAADEGBU: Are you saying that Goshen your partner in crime is using a false version of the Bible?

"....O LORD, I pray you, turn the counsel of Ahithophel into foolishness" (2 Samuel 15:31).

Keep on deceiving yourself and being deceived, enough said already. Paul, the Apostle didn't say, "Now concerning OFFERINGS for the saints ... ", he said COLLECTIONS for the saints. Even at that, it was as everyone prospered, not as mandatory as today's tithe. I'm tired of talking back and forth with you. You adding and going beyond what is written.

OLAADEGBU: Speak for yourself Mr. anti tither. [size=15pt]Paul strongly suggested percentage giving in the verse below:[/size]

"Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come" (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

Today, I believe and confirm you're one of the people confused by KJV English.

1 Corinthians 16:1-2
Amplified Bible (AMP)

16 Now concerning the money contributed for [the relief of] the saints (God’s people): you are to do the same as I directed the churches of Galatia to do. 2 On the first [day] of each week, let each one of you [personally] put aside something and save it up as he has prospered [in proportion to what he is given], so that no collections will need to be taken after I come.

Even a common man with good English language can tell (from the context) that word 'store' is to put something aside without 'concordance' or other translations.

Alfa Seltzer: Double GBAM! nothing to add.

You, I no get time for that your thread you hear, you just dey do gra-gra for that thread and I dey laugh you.

Because we are to give thank in all things. We cry because we are the same people that rejoice with those who rejoice and we also cry with those who cry or are sorrowful. Besides, under the New Covenant, God is the "I will . . ." God is the One doing the all in all through the completed sacrifice of Christ.

Matthew 23:23
Amplified Bible (AMP)

23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law—right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others.

The more I stay closer to God's word, the more the Lord, through the Spirit open my understanding. From this verse, that we've been saying - it was the scribes and pharisees that are tithing. I 'believe' these scribes and pharisees are group that had emerged between the inter-testament and 'might' have been the 'priests who are with the Levites' and were commanded to pay 'tithe of tithes'. Their attitude from the days of Malachi 'must have' continued through the inter-testament bible days until the days of Christ. Hence, Christ repeating the same line of rebuke as it was in the days of Malachi.

I have not investigated what I said above ^ though but I will.

That said, it is the same 'scribes and pharisee' spirit and pretending attitude we see all over any tithe debate or teachings - that is, group of people who hold onto one side of the law but neglecting the others. This is the major problem of the law, and Jesus included that in his rebuke. You can't pick one matter of the law and neglect the other. When you question tithing according to the law, our other brethren kindly run to Abraham tithing in which Abraham wasn't even obeying any commandment to tithe and continue to tithe from month to month.

If you're going to tithe, do not neglect justice, justification through the law of moses; do not neglect mercy through the law, do not animal sacrifice as other parts of the law - the law is a wholesome package.

@ Mods, Front page thing please.

https://www.nairaland.com/1472237/deception-malachi-3-10-11-devourer

Thanks.

Thirdly, if we are to "assume or agree" that the storehouse = the church, in a sense\way, it might make meaning when it is read "into" the text of Malachi 3:10 for the meaning of "storehouse" and that's how pastors use it, read into the text for church people. This is what I mean:

Bring ye all the tithes into the church, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

I will not argue further against such replacement IF I had not known better. But because the Spirit teaches the deep things of God, I will use the same word, "storehouse" and their meaning and replace with the word "church" as in where "storehouse" was used again even by Christ our Lord.

Luke 12:24
King James Version (KJV)
24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

"Storehouse" as used here is the Greek word tameion and it means:

a storage chamber, storeroom
a chamber esp. an inner chamber
a secret room

Just a slight difference from the Hebrew meaning but pointing or mean the same thing - a place of storage. Now, let's key in the "Church" for "storehouse" into the Luke 12:24 text and re-read it:

24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have CHURCH nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

If the storehouse = the church, the above ^ makes absolutely no meaning to the mind of the Bible student. However, if we take the meaning from the Greek and key it back into the text, it makes perfect understanding of the text and also perfect interpretation and perfect application.

The "storehouse" mentioned in Malachi is a place of storing God's tithe (crops, fruits etc) and it wasn't in Malachi it was first mentioned or commanded. Take a look at it here:

Nehemiah 10:38
King James Version (KJV)

38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the HOUSE of our God, to the CHAMBERS, into the TREASURE HOUSE.

So, Church people who are ignorant DO NOT know nor understand that, when God was talking in Malachi 3:10, he was rebuking the PRIESTS, son of Aaron who are with the Levites, who are taking tithe from God's people BUT ARE NOT BRINGING UP THE TITHE OF THE TITHES UNTO THE HOUSE OF GOD WHICH IS THE STOREHOUSE OR TREASURE HOUSE (according to our meaning. Please, re-read the Nehemiah text again).

So, fast forward to Malachi chapter 1.

Malachi 1:1 talked to Israel as a whole. Malachi 2:1 addressed the PRIEST and who are the priest? Nehemiah 10:38 ^ above answered that question. Malachi 3:3 is still addressing these PRIESTS as a continuation to 2:1. It is the PRIEST are the ones who are CURSED with a curse NOT the YOU, NOT the Church or New Testament Christians\believers, NOT YOU, my friend reading me. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse" is a rebuke to the Nehemiah 10:38 which says "Priest shall be with the Levites and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the HOUSE of our God, to the CHAMBERS, into the TREASURE HOUSE"

What more shall I say brethren, "stand therefore in the liberty wherein Christ has made you free".

Second, many translations follow these word meanings and Hebrew syntax and here are the followings:

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
10 The Lord All-Powerful says, “Try this test. Bring one-tenth of your things to me. Put them in the treasury. Bring food to my house. Test me! If you do these things, I will surely bless you. Good things will come to you like rain falling from the sky. You will have more than enough of everything.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
10 Bring in all the tithe unto the treasure-house, And there is food in My house; When ye have tried Me, now, with this, Said Jehovah of Hosts, Do not I open to you the windows of heaven? Yea, I have emptied on you a blessing till there is no space.

Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
10 Bring ye each tithe into my barn, that meat be in mine house, and prove ye me on this thing, saith the Lord, if I shall not open to you the gutters of heaven, and shall shed out to you blessing, till to abundance. (Bring ye each tithe into my barn, so that there be food in my House, and prove ye me on this thing, saith the Lord; see if I shall not open the windows of heaven for you, and pour out blessings upon you, yea, in abundance.)

The Voice (VOICE)
10 To rectify this situation, you must bring the entire tithe into the storage house in the temple so that there may be food for Me and for the Levites in My house. Feel free to test Me now in this. See whether or not I, the Eternal, Commander of heavenly armies, will open the windows of heaven to you and pour a blessing down upon you until all needs are satisfied.


to be continue . . .

Is the Church or Church Gathering = The Storehouse of Malachi 3:10?

This is the final exposition\exegesis that nailed the teaching of tithing to the cross of Christ. Follow me closely as I follow Christ.

I don't have much time to go deep tonight but as the Holy Spirit leads, I will go. First, and as usual, we want to know the meaning of the word 'storehouse' to those who heard it and was written to. How they understood the message of Malachi.

The word 'storehouse' is the Hebrew word, 'owtsar, a masculine noun and it means:

treasure, storehouse
treasure (gold, silver, etc)
store, supplies of food or drink
treasure-house, treasury
treasure-house
storehouse, magazine
treasury
magazine of weapons (fig. of God's armoury)
storehouses (of God for rain, snow, hail, wind, sea)

From Bible Concordance for word meaning here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H214&t=KJV

Again, when we study with KJV, we should endeavour to always understand the context, ask the Holy Spirit questions and we will rightly divide the word of truth. If we take one of the meanings from the concordance\Lexicon, we will understand the Hebrew syntax the way those who first heard it understood it.

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Let's take one or some of our word meanings and key it\them into the text and re-read it. It will read thus:

Bring ye all the tithes into the store, supplies of food or drink, treasure-house, treasury, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Ladies & Gentlemen, the context proves God was talking about a storing location by following after "storehouse" with . . . that there may be food IN MY HOUSE.

to be continue . . .

God2man: why did take you so long?

What do you mean by the above? You got what I typed from page #2 of this thread and you saying it took me long?

God2man: What is the name of your own church?

Why are you bothered about that? Allow the Holy Spirit to show you - it's one of the churches listed there.

God2man: i doubt all these churches, it is not possible for a church to preach against tithe,

Oh, is this a joke? First it was give us list of churches that don't tithe. Now, it's been produced. Oh, I doubt all these churches? Are you now Thomas? Ah, it is not possible for a church to preach against tithe? Don't you have videos up there on page #1? Are they not pastors there preaching against tithe? JOKER!!! Why don't you google those list and confirm their doctrine before making such statement as the ^ above.

God2man: so, you are saying that these churches have no branches around the world, particularly in Nigeria,

So you think every church leadership will open branches where tithe will be remitted to the HQ? Is that your definition of church growth or expansion? The end time church is in a mess and needs clean-up. You people open branches which is even unscriptural and tell local branches to remit tithe to HQ. That's un-apostolic.

Oh, in Nigeria? JOKER!!!

God2man: Let's face fact, Anti-tithing is alien to christianity, take it or leave it.

God bless you.
God2man.

What!!! Because they don't tithe, they are alien to Christianity? Are you serious? Where did early Christians PAID tithe if these churches are alien to Christianity? Do you think everyone will be follow-follow like most Nigerian churches? So not tithe is = to alien to Christianity in your own definition? So, tithing is the bedrock of Christianity? Do you even understand the meaning of what you saying? You're insulting the blood of the mediator of the new covenant which is Christ.

I believe it is because they believe the Mosaic more than they believe Christ and the finished works - it is as believing shadows to believing substance.

Again @ Bidam,

Exodus 21:28
King James Version (KJV)
28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.

Job 38:41
King James Version (KJV)
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

Okay, I wan step out small. I will be back later.

Bidam: Mr..pick and choose..why did you pick and drop where i mentioned the serpent in genesis? It shows your dishonesty. . I WONT COMMENT FURTHER, ENJOY YOUR THREAD.

You know I'm the one of those that love to expose you. Please take this one more:

Proverbs 6:6-8
King James Version (KJV)

6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
7 Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
8 Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.

Again, KJV uses pronoun to describe an act\verb of an inanimate subjects as 'he' to give the act\verb of a living thing.

Bidam: Gosh, i believe you went to a good primary school and you very well know the context in which the pronoun " HE" IS ALWAYS USED.

The examples you gave is them. Animals and insects can use the word them but NOT HE,more So, HE IS SINGULAR NOT PLURAL

CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW US FROM SCRIPTURE WHERE INSECTS OR ANY ANIMAL IS CALLED A "HE"

It was only the serpent that was called HE in genesis and every good bible student knows why it is so.

IF YOU CAN'T SHOW US AN EXAMPLE OF AN INSECT CALLED HE,YOU FOREVER REMAIN A LIAR AS FAR AS GOD'S WORD IS CONCERNED.

Goshen360: @ Bidam,

King James Version (KJV)
³ Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Serpent = beast of the field = he said

From the KJV, what do you have to say on the above verse?

@ Bidam,

King James Version (KJV)
³ Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Serpent = beast of the field = he said

From the KJV, what do you have to say on the above verse?

Bidam: You are the fool here..go back and read that scripture..God says He will rebuke the devourer who is a HE not an it.
You never went back to do your research on who the HE was that God was referring to.

quick quiz:Why should God rebuke insects?

Are insects called a he in your village schools?

You're too much into KJV. That's KJV rendering and other translations rendered it. KJV most time often render inanimate subjects as 'he' to give the act\verb of a living thing; if you want I can show you scriptures to that effect. It's all KJV rendering and it confuses folks. Okay, let's say it's even rendered 'he', who is the 'he' that is EATING fruits IN THE FIELD AND IN THE GROUND?

All through scriptures, devourer are ALWAYS IDENTIFIED WITH ITS HOST - that is, what the devourer is devouring. Now, back to Malachi and let's put this in contextual lens:

King James Version (KJV)
¹¹ And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

The EATER = The devourER
What is the devourer eating or feeding on? The context says what it is, ...and he shall not destroy the FRUIT OF YOUR GROUND; neither your VINE...FRUIT...in the field.

Some will say, Goshen is using 'human wisdom' to interpret God's word. I laugh at such statements. God doesn't speak in tongues when He gives instructions. It's like saying, "Give me $20". How do you give me $20 IF you don't KNOW what $20 is? You MUST first KNOW and UNDERSTAND what $20 is and what it means to GIVE someone something BEFORE you can GIVE the $20. How do you carry out an instruction when you don't understand the instruction itself?

So, what is God saying in clear and simple English as per Malachi 3:11? Since we NOW know the meaning of "devourer", we put it back into the context and re-read it,

King James Version (KJV)
¹¹ And I will rebuke the EATER or FEEDER or DEVOURER for your sakes, and he shall not EAT or FEED ON or DEVOUR the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

What is to be EATEN is the FRUIT OF THE GROUND, VINE & FRUIT IN THE FIELD. The context cannot therefore change from what destroys FRUITS & VINE to mean another thing.

In conclusion, there's nothing in the context of Malachi 3:11 that makes devil,demons, satanic attack a DEVOURER or EATER of FRUITS, VINES and CROPS of the field\ground. The threat of devourer to non-tither is just vain imagination to those who have taken time to understand the meaning and context - it is as good as saying flies, cockroaches, mosquitoes, insects etc will not bite or feed or eat on you when you don't tithe.

When a word has many uses from the concordance, it is only the context that connects the reader to what is meant in the verse.

For instance, let me follow up using from scripture how the first uses, "A" above are being used from scriptures.

King James Version (KJV)
20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. Genesis 37

Simple put, from our ONE meaning and uses, . . .it reads, an evil beast hath EATEN him.

1 Kings 13:28
King James Version (KJV)

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the ass and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the ass.

Simply put, the lion had not DEVOURED the carcase.

Devourer is the name of the Jewish people understood to mean the SUBJECT OR OBJECT THAT IS EATING, FEEDING OR BURNING UP ITS HOST depending on the context. It describes the FEEDING of locusts in Joel 1:4, 2:25.

Joel 1:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

Joel 2:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

It described the FEEDING or EATING of moths in Job 13:28,

King James Version (KJV)
28 And he, as a rotten thing, consumeth, as a garment that is moth eaten.

The FEEDING and EATING of flies in Psalms 78:45,

King James Version (KJV)
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.

The FEEDING of worms in Deuteronomy 28:39,

King James Version (KJV)
39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

to be continue . . .

King James Version (KJV)
¹¹ And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

Like I first mentioned, many Christians do not understand the KJV renderings and pastors who knows how sometimes the renderings of KJV is sometimes hard to understand by young bible student use this to take advantage of the young Christians.

I have presented the rendering of KJV from many other translations and from those translations, every one of them never mentioned devil, demons or satanic attack to mean devourer. Let's go further to unloose this heavy rendering of KJV - those Jewish people who first heard it, what does it mean to them and let's put it back into context of Malachi 3:11.

The word 'devourer' is the Hebrew word 'akal, a verb (an action word) and in all of its meaning\uses, it renders\means just ONE thing but uses differs:

1. to eat, devour, burn up, feed


A. (Qal)
to eat (human subject)
to eat, devour (of beasts and birds)
to devour, consume (of fire)
to devour, slay (of sword)
to devour, consume, destroy (inanimate subjects - ie, pestilence, drought)
to devour (of oppression)

B. (Niphal)
to be eaten (by men)
to be devoured, consumed (of fire)
to be wasted, destroyed (of flesh)

C. (Pual)
to cause to eat, feed with
to cause to devour

D. (Hiphil)
to feed
to cause to eat

D. (Piel)
consume

Culled from Bible Concordance here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H398&t=KJV

to be continue . . .

@ all,

I'm sorry for the delay to complete this message. I had to do overtime at work today. Thank God I'm done at work and here to finish this simplicity of the gospel. I will finish up now, giving time to type out my message.

Okay, now let's put things together and we can go into word meanings from the concordance. When the Jewish people heard 'devourer' in those days in the context of Malachi 3:10-11, how did they understood it? Simply, insects, pests, crop disease, crops\plants destroying\eating creatures, locust etc. How and when did it turned into another meaning other than what the context says? A further exposition\exegesis from the Hebrew syntax and\or word etymology will unveil the truth behind these text.

Reference to many translations here: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi%203:10-11&version=YLT

to be continue . . .

New Living Translation (NLT)
¹¹ Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not fall from the vine before they are ripe,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies.

6. From this translation, devourer is still = insects and disease (in reference to) crops\grapes of the vine. It cannot means anything other than plant\crop disease.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
¹¹ Then, for your sake, I will stop insects from eating your crops. They will not destroy the produce of your land. The vines in your fields will not lose their unripened grapes,” says the Lord of Armies.

Good News Translation (GNT)
¹¹ I will not let insects destroy your crops, and your grapevines will be loaded with grapes.



5. From this translations, devourer still = crops eating insects, not sickness, not demons, not poverty, not devil but insects that eats crops.

Are you still there? If you're there shout hallelujah!!! I will put everything together in the end o. Just follow the context and the exposition.

The mind: . Now exposed. You have little knowledge or not at all about the Bible. You loose my respect, I will give you 0.005% for this expose, too poor. Surely this is not of the spirit it is of the flesh and it will profit nothing to the spirit.

Why don't you wait until we get into word meaning proper. I'm still laying foundation still. Translators agree and so those who first heard the word 'devourer' understood what God was saying. And please, don't come with that cheap attitude of oh Goshen you don't understand the word etc. If you don't understand a text, how do you apply the context? How do you carry out an instruction you don't understand what it means? Just confirm the translations I'm drawing from if they're true to the testimony or not. Abeg relax!!!