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obadiah777: i knew this gaddem heathen Goshen would be in this thread. anyone mentions grace and his ear stands up like a rabbit

besttop: this is a ways of giving to God, paying your tithes,attract special blessing to you and financial open doors.

shinermio: very soon, i wld post a topic in the religion section on why tithe should be paid and wld back it up with one or two verses from d new testament. [/b]That should seal things up.

idnoble135: Interesting read... Wonder how i got so busy. I'm still reading comments. Tomorrow is a good day. I should be free.
@Goshen and Candour, tomorrow is a good day. I never even expected the the thread to hit front page. We can discuss clearly when the traffic is down.

OLAADEGBU: You saw what Acts 24:17 called it and you are still being contumacious.

Goshen360: Give us ONE SCRIPTURE where what the early church and CHRISTIANS gave in worship gatherings was called OFFERINGS.

OLAADEGBU: (Acts 24:17).

Paul collected offerings for the Jerusalem church but it seems the anti tithers have a phobia for the words offerings, just as they detest the word tithe. There must be something in the tithe that makes the devil fight it this hard.

OLAADEGBU: (Acts 24:17).

Paul collected offerings for the Jerusalem church but it seems the anti tithers have a phobia for the words offerings, just as they detest the word tithe. There must be something in the tithe that makes the devil fight it this hard.

Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^
I did not come here to preach. I came here to back the belief on why I tithe and give offerings based on the word of God. And this does not affect my other givings in any way.
It was not me that said Malachi 3:8, so why are you feeling threatened? I am not God that said He was robbed in TITHES AND OFFERINGS but based on His word I follow it and this was further confirmed by Jesus and Paul. Simple. And Abraham the Father of Faith tithed.

That is the funny thing, when you quote scriptures they say out of context, when you don't they say I am the one saying.

No need to be afraid in your belief. I am not afraid in mine, I have the sure word. I have not even given all I know on this subject yet see the reaction. It is ok.
Thanks.

Alwaystrue: Like I said it is obvious many have still not read the thread. All these questions have been answered. God spoke about TITHES AND OFFERINGS...not just tithes in (Malachi 3: 8 ).....TITHES AND OFFERINGS have been given since the time of Abraham. If you do not have a problem with offerings then I really wonder why tithes is the issue....that is the hypocrisy of it all.

OLAADEGBU: Either Jacob gave conditions for his tithes or not the fact remains that he vowed to give his tithes. There are different levels of giving tithes and that of Abram was the highest. The lowest reason for tithing is when you tithe because you don't want to be under a curse, a higher reason for tithing would be because you want a blessing but the highest reason for tithing is in appreciation of the blessings you received from God and this is what Abram did.

Enigma: As I dey go sleep make I do one last yeye!

"Truly I say unto you, as long as you paid tithe to your pastor and Daddy G.O. you paid it to me".

Whether pesin fit find that one inside Bible as we can clearly find it about the homeless, unclothed etc (aka the poor).

@Goshen360, na you go be night guardsman with ya yankee time.

idnoble135: 1. Query the bible not me. I quoted the passage where it was said that the law was ordained to life.
2. Christ is the resurrection and the life but no one had that life because we were sinners. At the moment of accepting Christ, we are imparted with that life.
3. The concordance i used did not give the root word. But hey, i believe my point is okay provided the "eternal" was added to the life.
4. Dont even know which addressed to me, LOL. But i know that i did say we do not get God's approval by what we do but by believing in Jesus.
And i still maintain that stand! The law was ordained to give life but it oft give death.
BUT STILL, Christ could not give Him what we enjoy today.
Christ gave him the law and to test him, Christ told him to sell all he had. That tested his love for God.
And to add,
you said you are coming to flog me. I'm still waiting.

Alwaystrue: 2 Corinthians 2:15-16
15 Our lives are a Christ-like fragrance rising up to God. But this fragrance is PERCEIVED DIFFERENTLY by those who are being saved and by those who are perishing
16 To those who are perishing, we are a DREADFUL SMELL OF DEATH AND DOOM. But to those who are being saved, we are a LIFE-GIVING PERFUME. And who is adequate for such a task as this?



Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus

idnoble135: I've spoken about it before and this will be definitely the last time i would.
The text of Mark 10 reads,

17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came
running, knelt before Him, and
asked Him, “Good Teacher,
what shall I do that I may
inherit eternal life?”
18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is
good but One, that is, God.
19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not
commit adultery,’ ‘Do not
murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not
bear false witness,’ ‘Do not
defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”
20 And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these
things I have kept from my
youth.”
21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him,
“One thing you lack: Go your
way, sell whatever you have
and give to the poor, and you
will have treasure in heaven;
and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
The young man's request was that he sought how to gain eternal life.
Why did Jesus quote the law and gave a definite instruction to the young man? I have stated that it is so because the law was "ordained" by God. It was intended to give life. Jesus could not tell the man in question to believe on the redemptive work because He was yet to go to the cross.
So, Christ told him how to get eternal life. And at that point, the only way was in law.
.... And the commandment,
which was ordained to life..
Rom 7:10
But that principle can no longer work because the eternal life that we would try to gain via the law is available to us by believe in the saving work of Christ (Rom 10:10, Ephe 2:.
Now, that of mark here is in no way extinct, because it was not nullified. No, not at any point.
The earlier was a matter of time dispensation. The later was a matter of principle that abides still.

Alwaystrue: For all those whose main aim is to learn on why Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell his possessions:
https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/6#18444245

If still in doubt just check the scriptures below and decide for yourself why Jesus said what He said and please look at it in the light of my post linked above:

Please note that the young ruler said he had obeyed the law from his childhood so there was no issue but he lacked one thing:
What he lacked was not 'GO AND SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS', what he lacked that kept him from being perfect was why He refused to do what Jesus told him: LOVE OF EARTHLY POSSESSIONS and TRUST IN RICHES....that was what HE lacked!

Luke 18:20-23
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich

The letter truly killeth but the Spirit giveth life.


@Idnoble,
Thanks for the expose. Please send the last one. These things are deep. The entrance of God's word indeed brings light.

Candour: And somebody will tell me they don't force people to pay.

How will a weak Christian not rush to pay after reading this?

Where's Abraham's example in that write up? Tithing as practiced today in Nigeria is not of principles, Its of MOSAIC LAW

Enigma: Unfortunately, you do not really realise how ignorant and misinformed about scriptures you are. And it is quite painful anytime I see a brother who has been hoodwinked by false doctrine such that they cannot or that they even refuse to see clearly.

This problem is why you have of course been unable to answer this simply question straight or honestly: why should we follow the statement on "tithes" but not the one on eternal life?

I don't think I will deal with anything else in your post; it is just not worth it!

idnoble135: This post was seen.

idnoble135: Alwaystrue, you have a mail.

Goshen360: #2 is the problem and confusion. if tithe is beyond the law, which one\tithe EXACTLY are you teaching or practicing? The one that goes BEYOND the law or the one according to the law or BOTH?

Alwaystrue: If only everyone can apply what Jesus said to the Pharisee Nicodemus that He must be born again...of WATER and SPIRIT. Only Jesus could have said that and there are lots of things that are only discerned in the Spirit and also in the washing of water by the WORD.
Truly Jesus is Master.

Enigma: You see why I didn't take your answer seriously the first time.

All you are saying is that 2+2 = 4 but looking for reasons why 1+3 should not also be 4!

Take your time to think about the matter --- honestly.

idnoble135: Why did Jesus not follow the law when He was dealing with the woman caught in adultery?

idnoble135: 1. He spoke to him as regarding the law because the issue was basically how to get eternal life. And the young man could not get it through Jesus because He had not yet died on the cross.
2. No. Tithe is beyond a matter of the law. And so, assuming that position would be wrong.

idnoble135: Was all the words of Jesus to people under the law?