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 Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 4:02pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Osahon7: @pastor kun,fr evangel,candour etc what of the Old testament blessings dose the New convenant makes the old testaments blessings INVALID?Blessings in the old was attached to we 'doing' but new Covenant blessings is because of what Christ had 'done' |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Collect Tithes From The Poor, Widows And Orphans by Goshen360(m): 2:43pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
The Spirit is in deed one. I just thought of same thing and almost start the same thread. You see someone in need, lack, struggling to make it and survive etc, these pastors tell them to sow seed for 'point of contact' breakthrough. Why do these pastors feast on people's problem and predicament to make money out of them. You see a widow, orphan etc struggling to pay tuition and they tell them to tithe so that God can then take them out of such conditions. They make God look like babalawo in deed. God is watching o. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Wrong To Worship In One Church And Pay Tithe In Another Church? by Goshen360(m): 2:08pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
christemmbassey: thank u my brother, i can see dat u r very sincere. YES, I BLIEVE IN GIVING, AND TITHING IS NOT ONE. why? Bc 'tithing' as a 'command' negate d true essence of grace and Christ finished work. Now tithe was commanded in Moses law aka ' the law of SIN AND DEATH', and d bible says, d law of Moses failed to give d type of life God wanted for man and therefor sent Jesus to give this life(jn 3:16) if u check well, u'll discover dat Jesus was actually talking to 'a teacher' of d law. So, Jesus died for us, bc d law, which included, tithe law, failed.(rm 8:1-4) so if go back to practice d law tro tithe, it means, u've not accepted d work done by Jesus, which d bible says, is d only thing dat can save us n give us life(zoe) a comlet parkage, if u give tithe so dat God will give u, health, life, peace, security/protection, wealth or any material thing, it means to u, the death of Jesus was nt adequate or perfect to provide these things hence God need ur nairas so dat he can sell to u d above mention things, and d bible calls u, a 'profane' person, to u, Jesus has not died ,u r still in ur sin bc, according to d bible, u've fallen from grace(gal 5:3-4). To make ur case worst, when0u pay tithe, u are cound to do all other commandments contained in d law of Moses, oderwise, u r cursed. So to tithe as a christian, is commiting sin according to law, ur pastor is nt a levite, you don't obey other 612 laws etc. Gnd bless.I don't know why I keep loving you with the love of Christ. You are a true man of God. I just thought of the hypocrisy churches that says, pay your tithe to local parish or branches and these parishes take all the tithe to HQ. Is that payment of tithe to where you worship? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Matthew 23, The Message. Let's Discuss. by Goshen360(m): 11:55am On Oct 07, 2013 |
Image123: Those words in red in the red letter Bible are the words of Jesus. No one hs said that those are the only words of Jesus so i do not understand your premise. There is no need to kick against the pricks as it were.Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." This is also the words of Christ. Do you do this as a requirement before following Christ and\or for perfection? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 11:52am On Oct 07, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: The idea that you need to pay God[tithe] before he can bless you must be the biggest heresy in modern day christianity, the idea is absolutely ridiculous.One day, our other brethren will understand that we are blessed because of what Christ did or had done, not what we do. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 11:50am On Oct 07, 2013 |
[quote author=fr_evangel]@Goshen360, Hebrew 7 and the annulment is a broad discussion and deserves a separate thread. However, even when you succeed in explaining that to tithe preachers, they will come back to tell you Abraham Tithed and so Tithing was revealed before the Law.[/quote]I'm blessed with people like you. Keep the good work in the Lord. Let's not stop teaching the truth until tithe captives are set free. Even in Israel, the tithe was to be share with the poor, today's church on the contrary will tell the poor to tithe in order to be bless. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: ARE THERE REALLY MANSIONS IN HEAVEN(john14:2)candour,theoctopus,joagbaje,Goshen by Goshen360(m): 11:47am On Oct 07, 2013 |
swtchicgurl: why are you always so quick to tag anything you don't opine to as "erroneous"? In various versions of that verse of the scripture:All you have to do is read down the chapter. Jesus further explained what he meant using the same line - "Haven't you heard I said I was going to prepare a place for you"? There's no beef. It's simply the context! Also, you can use Greek syntax or concordance, rooms and dwelling place is not just a place with entrance and exit location. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Matthew 23, The Message. Let's Discuss. by Goshen360(m): 4:34am On Oct 07, 2013 |
^ The 'words' of Christ is not just what came out of his mouth. If that's what it means, there are many things that came out of Christ's mouth as words that we\you cannot do today. If I start to point them out now, you will say it's metaphoric and so on. The words of Christ means his 'teachings'. 1 Timothy 6:3 Expanded Bible (EXB) Anyone who has a different teaching and does not agree with the ·true teaching [sound/healthy words] of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that ·shows the true way to serve God [promotes piety/godliness] Amplified Bible (AMP) 3 But if anyone teaches otherwise and does not [a]assent to the sound and wholesome messages of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and the teaching which is in agreement with godliness (piety toward God), |
| Christianity Etc › Re: ARE THERE REALLY MANSIONS IN HEAVEN(john14:2)candour,theoctopus,joagbaje,Goshen by Goshen360(m): 3:07am On Oct 07, 2013 |
There's no physical mansion with compartments in heaven as some erroneously teach\believe. The conversation in John 14 is like when Jesus was talking to Nichodemus and later explained what it means to be born again to him. You have to either use the Greek concordance to decode the words in context and\or wear the new testament lens to understand what Christ was saying. Study the words in Greek and with the words, unveiled by Apostle Paul, you understand the mansion Christ is preparing is the believer so that s\he can wear an abiding place in God's presence and fit for where Christ is now (heaven) so the believer also can be there. I might continue this discussion as it progresses. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anti-tithe Churches by Goshen360(m): 1:44am On Oct 07, 2013 |
^ These churches don't teach tithe nor collect tithe from their members. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anti-tithe Churches by Goshen360(m): 1:43am On Oct 07, 2013 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anti-tithe Churches by Goshen360(m): 1:41am On Oct 07, 2013 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anti-tithe Churches by Goshen360(m): 1:36am On Oct 07, 2013 |
^ No, it's in the USA. I'm trying to look for a video I bookmarked sometimes ago. It relates to this thread. I will upload if I get it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 1:26am On Oct 07, 2013*. Modified: 1:55am On Oct 07, 2013 |
There's absolutely no one scripture that mentioned tithe or taught tithe to the church, not one. Many people think everything written in the bible is for application for Christians. There're things written for our learning or study or information and not everything written in the Bible was written for our application. For instance, how do we apply the creation account to ourselves? Do we apply it by creation the world again? How do we crossing the red sea to ourselves? How do we apply the flood of Noah to ourselves? etc. When God speaks, he spoke to different people at different dispensation and under different covenant\agreement. Hebrews 1:1-3. Christian example is from Christ and the early Apostles. There's no one single scripture where the early church tithe nor the Apostles taught tithe to them. We, Christians are under a new covenant and this new covenant is not a continuation of the old, that was made with Israel. The new covenant is completely different, not based on 'do this' and God 'will do that' agreement. This new covenant is based on what Christ had done. The Apostles taught, New International Version In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' Acts 20:35 The Apostle taught 'giving', not tithing to the church. They imported the words of Christ. If Christ had taught them tithing, they would have also imported it and taught it to the church. What Christ taught specifically TO HIS DISCIPLES and APOSTLES are His testament\will that was carried on by the Apostles into the new testament that took effect after the death of Christ. How does God therefore bless Christians today? It is by giving! "'It is more blessed to give than to receive". Giving doesn't have to be limited to the church, give to poor, neighbors, fatherless, motherless, anyone. Giving should therefore be done willing and cheerfully, not in fear of devourer or to attract opened door, not grudgingly etc. Many tithe today because they are in fear of devourer or curse. Malachi 3 wasn't written to Christians but to correct dishonest priests in the days of Malachi, please read Malachi from chapter 1 and follow the context. I'm not a tither but I'm a giver. I'm blessed beyond limits since I understood this simple truth. There're is no devourer on my life nor on my job. The fundamental and biblical truth of blessing is in giving, not according to fixed regulations or law but as the heart purposes, not of necessity. The new testament giving negates the giving of tithe as stated in the law. May the Lord open our understand to this truth in Jesus' name. Amen!!! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 12:57am On Oct 07, 2013 |
Some folks argue that it is only the priesthood that was cancelled as in only verse 16 that was cancelled. This is pure dishonesty in scriptural interpretation. I have always asked, even if it was only the priesthood of Levi that was cancelled, the truth is, this priesthood itself carries or have a 'commandment' attached to them. The cancellation of the priesthood is also a cancellation of the commandment attached to them. It's like if someone work in an organization, like the Levi and this person works in this organization have entitlement to monthly wages or salary. If this person's employment is terminated (cancelled), it is illogical to say the wages or salary continues to go to the person while he\she doesn't work in that organization no more. The interpretation of Law is a wholesome package. Just like there are 613 laws (plural) given to Moses but the scripture always use the law is a singular sense to carry a wholesome package. That's why James said, you offend in one law, you offend in ALL. The same sense Hebrews 7:5, 16 & 18 used the word, commandment as such commandment carry a unit or wholesome sense. Kindly observe or notice, the 'commandment' in v5 is singular, not plural. The 'commandment' in v16 is singular not plural and the 'commandment' in v18 is also singular, not plural. Therefore, the use of 'commandment' GOING BEFORE or PREVIOUS or FORMER or EARLIER or OLD are commandment mentioned in v5 and 16. This is what is cancelled or disannulled in v18 and it must include 'commandment to take tithe' as stated in v5 and v16. to be continue . . . 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 12:42am On Oct 07, 2013*. Modified: 1:30am On Oct 07, 2013 |
There're TWO mentioned and specific use of commandment and specific pointer of these commandment, and what it demands. 5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: The first commandment was given to the sons of Levi, the Levites and this commandment is an authorization from God to take tithe from the people according to the law.. So, what do we have here sir? The commandment = take tithe from people according to the law. Numbers 18. 15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. The second use and pointer of commandment in the context of Hebrews 7 is, there is a new priest that doesn't follow the 'carnal commandment' of qualification. This carnal commandment is that, any priest must come from the tribe of Levi in order to officiate in the temple. They must follow this carnal commandment. These are the two pointers of 'commandment' as used in the context of Hebrew 7. Therefore, when we study and get to verse 18, that disannulled or cancelled the former commandment going before, we must ask what commandment. The only commandment that was mention are in verse 5 & 16 - to take tithe according to the law (v5) and requirement to meet to be made a priest (v16). to be continue . . . 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 12:24am On Oct 07, 2013*. Modified: 1:29am On Oct 07, 2013 |
Hebrews 7 is a disannullment or cancellation of tithing 18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. KJV Amplified Bible (AMP) 18 So a previous physical regulation and command is cancelled because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness Expanded Bible (EXB) 18 The ·old [former] ·rule [commandment; regulation] is now ·set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and ·useless [ineffective]. Common English Bible (CEB) 18 On the one hand, an earlier command is set aside because it was weak and useless When we study God's word, the Holy Spirit doesn't go against us asking questions. It is by asking questions that we develop an inquisitive mind towards a tender answer from the Holy Spirit, our teacher. Here in Hebrews 7:18, scripture says, there is a cancellation of the PREVIOUS or FORMER or EARLIER or OLD or commandment...GOING BEFORE. We must therefore ask the Holy Spirit, which 'commandment' is the verse talking about? If we know the 'commandment' being referred to, then we know what is being CANCELLED or ABOLISHED or DISANNULLED. We don't have to dig too deep, we have to follow the 'context' and if we see what commandment was given in the context and what commandment was mentioned BEFORE or EARLIER in the context. We cannot apply the cancellation in v18 to any other commandment except what was mentioned earlier. If we apply such, then we are 'importing' into the text or context. to be continue . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 12:08am On Oct 07, 2013*. Modified: 1:27am On Oct 07, 2013 |
New International Version Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." Mark 7:13 Many Christians are simply taking traditions handed down to them from the religious leaders and thus, making the word of God of no effect. Ask yourself, if tithing had been working in truth, how come the percentage of poor people in Nigeria or around the world is more than the rich? How come tithers still encounter same life problem as others? Is there a security in tithing as against non-tithers? It is what Christ did that perpetually place believers under 'open heaven' not your tithe. It is the finished works of our Lord that works but your mind was trained to believe it is the tithe working. Today again, I present a landmark short systematic teaching how the New Testament disannulled tithing in Hebrews 7 and I present the gospel of Grace which is the gospel of the finished works of Christ. to be continue . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anti-tithe Churches by Goshen360(m): 11:48pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
We want to give me\us another job to do.  Well, Grace Community church pastored by John Macarthur do not tithe neither does he teach tithe. There're many church who are beginning to understand the truth and I will update the names as we continue. Goshen, una no dey tire for tithe thread, NO! ...until tithe captives are set free. I want to go share revelation on Hebrews 7 how tithing is cancelled in the New testament on the other thread. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 9:04pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Elliotwiz1: the levites where the said PASTORS and PROPHETS of old....that was when Jesus had not made the access to God open for everyone...in those days the pastors where the levites , now the pastors and ministers you see are the representatives or the SUBSTITUTES of the levites....dont get it twisted. Which bible verse converted levites to pastors? Where did you read in the bible the new Covenant is A CONTINUATION of the old? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 8:51pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Bidam: Look who is talking here. You conveniently dodged my question when i asked you why would Paul quote the mosaic law to support giving to ministers in 1 cor 9:13 and you are here twisting words and asking me about Hebrew or Greek meaning of principle  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 6:52pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
tunapa2009: Nice one..... What about Abraham's tithe to Melchizadek? Any correlation with the 11 tribes to one tribe? Are you now claiming that tithing started in the time of Moses? I read Hebrews 7. The emphases and the Lessons...Hebrew 7 actually disannulled tithing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 6:49pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Bidam: Did Abraham's tithes have anything to do with God or not? It is indeed pointless to make you see anything in "principle" where you have already made up your mind to read only the 'letter' in a legalistic manner.What's the Hebrew or Greek meaning for "principle" and how and where is this "principle" in Greek used to TEACH TITHE TO THE CHURCH  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 6:28pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
[quote author=fr_evangel]You quoted me and ignored the scriptures I posted. Why not read the verses rather than just speak what you were told. Mind you, I preached tithing for over 10 years before studying it myself.[/quote]Same to me, I was saved in 1996 and was strong in church movement and activities. Even when I attended RCCG, Offs, I was almost ordained a deacon in RCCG. I can mention the parish pastor's name and the area pastor. In all my years then, I didn't understand the difference between the old and new Covenant. I was confused. However, I followed blindly. I taught tithe in all these year, not as what I understood by myself but by what my pastors taught me. Oh Goodness, when I entered the water of the word, I went deeper and deeper and the truth set me free. I have taught AGAINST tithe and do not tithe, still I'm blessed. 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 5:56pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
tunapa2009: What is there any law(mosaic law) during that days of Abraham? Why did Abraham gave melchizedek tenth part?This is how you know Abraham tithe\tithing IS NOT A CONTINUATION in the mosaic law tithing and that they in contrast is that, SPOILS FROM OR OF WAR IS NOT INCLUDED IN MOSAIC TITHING. It cannot be acceptable neither is it a tithable items. If you find where items from war are commanded under mosaic law, please, I won't mind you pointing it from the word. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 5:22pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Many Christians have made their pastors their Lord and saviour, whatever these pastors say to these Christians, is what stands. They don't check like the Bereans to see if what is taught is true. Pastors on the other hand, mixes Judaism with Christianity and what we have today is confusion. Some say tithe is what works for them. What then did Christ do for you? Because it works doesn't mean it Christian doctrine. Herbalist mix concorsion for people and it works. Cele people take folks to bath in the river, etc does that mean it right? Attributing breakthroughs and blessings to tithe is fallen from grace and to such Christians, Christ died for nothing. 10 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 4:30pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
temilexis: I am so highly disappointed that the writer did not come up with any valuable details over his claims on why tithes are not necessary. I would have been very happy if you elaborated much on reasons why we should not give our one tenth.Read Deuteronomy 14, it tells you to EAT YOUR TITHE AND USE IT BUY WHATEVER YOUR HEART DESIRES. Read Hebrews 7, it disannulled tithing with other rituals of the old covenant. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 2:00pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
routsz: Huh . . has anyone stopped tithing? That's scary . .Yes, I have stopped tithing and blessed beyond limits. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 1:55pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Aderupoko2: Pastor Kun, can you in all honesty tell us that the Holy Spirit told you to tell us not to pay tithe again?How does the Holy Spirit speak if not through and by the word? Or are you looking for inner conviction that is contrary to the written word. The Apostle wrote, " do not go beyond what is written" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Goshen360(m): 12:42pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
This is my testimony why I stopped tithing and also I fight against tithing as preached to Christians - It is not a Christian doctrine. I began to study the word of God for myself and got the revelation of the truth. I didn't find any, not one single scripture where tithing was taught to the early church, rather, it was giving that was taught. The religious church mix both Old and New Covenant to cajole church people. I found the truth in Hebrew contrary to what is being preached in most churches that tithing had ended for New Testament Christians along with other rituals in the Old Testament. I have been preaching this gospel of no more tithe for Christians but encouraging Christians to give as their capacity can bear, from their heart and also sacrificially. I have been blessed without tithing for many years and the evidence of God's blessings is on me. I have good job, I bless people who are less privileged, I drive 2013 car, I live a good life etc. I do not say all these to boast but to show the grace of God in my life that a man can be blessed without tithing and those who attach their breakthroughs in life to tithe are fallen from Grace, to them, Christ is of no effect and died for nothing. 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Crucified To The Religious World by Goshen360(m): 12:18pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
We PREACH Christ and Him CRUCIFIED ... I'm blessed again by your write up again @ Chuka. The cross of Christ, a great divider and crosses a man from 'there' to 'here'. The cross of Christ itself is a revelational message specially revealed and given to the Apostles, it's not just and event. Somethings took place on that cross and since Christ died, He had to reveal what took place on the cross to them because he wasn't physically on earth to tell it to them. So, the cross, death, burial AND RESURRECTION is the finished and complete works of Christ. All what is revealed in the New Covenant are rooted in these four. Again, thank you @ chuka, reading you first thing this morning is so refreshing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by Goshen360(m): 8:21pm On Oct 05, 2013*. Modified: 8:51pm On Oct 05, 2013 |
nuella2: @Goshen why didn't you think of the other ppl you claim to be using double id before making mouth about producing evidence. What you said was very wrong. And should apologise for accusing brethren without proof. Stop behaving like an hooligan.If you don't understand what I said, why don't you ask or rather keep quiet. Did I say I WANT TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE? if I did, quote me. I said I have the evidence with me and I hold the right to reserve it. If you don't understand, beg Candour to give you the link to one thread where one of these dubious people. was caught pants down, I still reserved the evidence then on that thread and now. 1 Like |
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