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Alwaystrue: I do not know what you mean by 'gospel of giving or tithing'. Yes, Jesus affirmed that their are other weighthier aspects of the law with respect to love, fairness and mercy which should be done but still we should not neglect tithing. It is as simple as ABC for me.
So it was on NL i saw the 'Anti-tithe gospel merchants' and 'ministry of fighting tithes'.

[size=15pt]In the whole earthy ministry of Jesus which is the New Testament,[/size] Jesus spoke and commended different forms of giving....honouring parents by giving to them, giving to the poor and needy, giving offerings and tithes, giving tax to the authorities and so on so giving is in different forms.

No one says you should not give directly to the poor, I only said the early Jerusalem church gave by bringing their 100% to a place for distribution to all and sundry as a form of communal living.

Yes, keep giving cheerfully. Thanks.

Alwaystrue: Thanks...Some pastors work in the ministry full time. [/b]Infact that was the expectation of Jesus Christ for the disciples and even Paul said he had a right not to work.

Paul decided to work so no man will make his glorying void. He decided to let go of the right of I Cor. 9:13-14. It was becaus of the same way we have people throwing a fit now untop of a tenth that He penned the below, people were actually examining him:

[b]I Corinthians 9:3-4,6,15
3 Mine answer to them that do EXAMINE ME is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, HAVE NOT WE POWER to forbear working?
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

What is going on on NL is just history repeating itself. Just take time to study and you will understand that this is not new. Paul experience alot.


The Jerusalem believers who already had the heart of giving sold their property and all and brought it to the feet of the disciples for sharing to everyone, even though some people still grumbled that they still did not get (Acts 6:1). They were giving their 100% and put in a place for all to take, If some were asked to try it here, they we quote scriptures that he that does not work should not eat. It is just so funny.

If giving a tenth to the ministers can be such a challenge and can cause this level of quibbling, we then know the hearts of man. It is so easy to know a person with regards to how he acts when money matters are discussed.


It is one thing not to tithe and another to say tithe is abolished. It is either you believe it is right or you believe it is abolished.
It is just amusing seeing people swing to what favours them.....one minute believe tithe and another call it sin, abolished etc. That is the hypocrisy and unstability of it. They are double-minded.
Our giving is beyond a tenth because there are so many people to give to as listed above there.

The true givers will give to all or pray for grace to give to all with joy and happiness.

Bidam: [size=15pt] was Jesus a pharisee? YES[/size]..Do pharisees pay tithe? Yes.Was Paul a pharisee? Yes..Do pharisees pay tithe? YES. Jesus fulfilled the law.You don't need a prophet to tell you these things.Use your brain?

Irises: which one is pastors word..Did pastors write malachi 3.. that is God's word.. so learn from it...BESIDES IF YOU CONDEMN THAT WORD..IT MEANS YOU ARE CONDEMING THE OLD TESTAMENT..DONT FORGET IF THE OLD TESTAMENT WAS NOT TO CHANGE OUR LIFE..I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PART OF THE NEW TESTAMENT..

Irises: please go back and read malachi 3:8.. open ur brain..cause you just dont have what to say..

swtchicgurl: This is exactly the reason why I think you are an anti-Christ in the making. No Christian will make these kind of statements! You need help Goshen! No wonder you keep turning the people away from the truth!

Study Acts 13: 6-12

Tgirl4real: Sorry o, OP, did u change the thread title?

Alwaystrue: @switchcgurl,
Another thing to add is that many do not understand what wealth is all about. They believe it means they have more to acquire but the bible has said those who are rich towards God...those that have records of what they have done.

Luke 12:15-21
15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

A man's abundance does not consist of that which he possesses but that which he has in richness towards God.

1. How many widows and orphans do we have on our list that we attend to every month?
2. How many cars have we given out to others depending on our level of wealth?
3. How many people do we pay school fees for?
4. Do we still dedicate our tithe and offering to God as received by those serving in the ministry?
5. How many trips (air, road, sea, train) have we been able to sponsor for those who need it?
6. How many medical bills have we paid for sick people?
7. How often do people come to us for help knowing they will not return empty?
8. How many causes have we donated to in one way or the other?
9. How many strangers, beggars have we taken special interest in, housed, fed, re-united them back with their family
10. How many ministries do we support?
11. How many businesses have we started up for people?

All these are not even mentioning family and friends.

There are levels God will take those who are channels of his goodness to that those who keep hoarding will not reach. For me, this is the way I see it, not about possessions but about how we estabish God's kingdom wherever we are. These are deep things.

Zikkyy: It's possible the devourer devoured the private jets attached to/that comes with your current job position. pay your tithe and the watch the devourer vomit your P.Js

alexleo: Did Abraham pay tithe to Melchisedec (whose priesthood wasn't in the order of the levites) according to the law? Pls show me. Was there a law from God that mandated him to do that? Pls show me. And if there was no law, was he condemned for doing that outside what the law said? Pls show me where it is in the scripture. If he wasn't condemned, why should you condemn those who are paying their tenth to christ whose priesthood is also in the order of Melchizedec?

Pastor Kun: Most of us that teach the truth about tithes were once tithers as we were also deceived to believe this false doctrine until we studied scriptures for ourselves, we also still have many tithers around us and we can testify that tithing does not work. if it works we would all be practising it without this need for back and forth argument.

swtchicgurl: Thank you my sister, after much talking, i can only pray for the anti-tithers and to challenge to tithe if they won't see results! it is well.

alexleo: I ve quoted the hebrew 7:1-28.
Verse 18 never talked about abolishing of tithe rather of the levitical priesthood (which is temporary) being replaced with a permanent one which is Jesus Christ. The core message of this place is not even tithe but its drawing a comparison between the levtical presthood, that of Melchizedec and Christ. Telling us how Christ, whose priesthood is permanent and came with an oat has sacrificed for our sin once and for all unlike that of the levitical priesthood which requires day to day sacrifice of animal twice for sin- one for the priest and the other for the rest of the people. And their priesthood did not come with an oat. Again that the priesthood of Christ is patterened like that of Melchizedec. The tithe that came in there wasn't even the core message and there is no place in this scripture that pointed clearly that tithe is cancelled but there is a place that it said that the day to day sacrifice for sin as it was in the levitical priesthood is no more there in Christ. Verse 25-27 above is clear on this. Kindly show me a clear statement such as that where tithe is cancelled. No stories pls. The bible is clear and simple to understand.

Pastor Kun: @Alexleo
As I have always said verse 5 is key to understanding that passage. Verse 5 makes it clear that the commandment to collect tithe is based on the law. Now the law and the priesthood as been abolished so why should tithe remain Fact is that tithe did not remain and was NEVER practised or taught by the early church until the catholic church re introduced it in 585AD for their own selfish reason. Tithing was never a christian doctrine established by Christ and the Apostles but an obvious latter day addition by greedy catholic priests.

Zikkyy: 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham............

.......12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

Zikkyy: Before you start looking for scripture to prove tithe been canceled, you need to first determine the nature of the tithe itself. If you define tithe as a tenth of income, you will not find scriptures that says tithe of income been canceled, cos tithe of income was never biblical. So, what tithe been canceled? It was the tithe instituted by God himself for the Israelite. Any other tithing practice is man made.

I believe the idea of giving a tenth or 10% of can never be canceled. Why? cos every giving is a percentage of something. While i agree that the act of giving a tenth of income to church or pastor may not be sinful, it can lead to display of un-Christ-like behaviours especially when the giving is not done with a sincere heart. The tithe gospel is a dangerous one cos it has the potential to promote greed, selfishness e.t.c.



What tithe are you paying? Tithe commanded/instituted by God or one instituted by Alexleo? It's very true God's tithe was for the Levites. It was never something for the Christian community to adopt as a command or requirement. You must understand that your giving a tenth of your income to your church is not the issue. The problem comes from pastors/tithers justifying the payment by reference to mosaic law. It is the gospel of giving a tenth of your income under mosaic law that is wrong.

Tgirl4real: hmmm..I trongly believe it is so. You need deliverance.

Sha call when u get to naija.

alexleo: I ve quoted the hebrew 7:1-28.
Verse 18 never talked about abolishing of tithe rather of the levitical priesthood (which is temporary) being replaced with a permanent one which is Jesus Christ. The core message of this place is not even tithe but its drawing a comparison between the levtical presthood, that of Melchizedec and Christ. Telling us how Christ, whose priesthood is permanent and came with an oat has sacrificed for our sin once and for all unlike that of the levitical priesthood which requires day to day sacrifice of animal twice for sin- one for the priest and the other for the rest of the people. And their priesthood did not come with an oat. Again that the priesthood of Christ is patterened like that of Melchizedec. The tithe that came in there wasn't even the core message and there is no place in this scripture that pointed clearly that tithe is cancelled but there is a place that it said that the day to day sacrifice for sin as it was in the levitical priesthood is no more there in Christ. Verse 25-27 above is clear on this. Kindly show me a clear statement such as that where tithe is cancelled. No stories pls. The bible is clear and simple to understand.

Tgirl4real: Whatadoyu? Oya, mail me let's talk in private.


I no say make you no contend this wan o..I'm just saying people no go gree cos money is involved.

Bidam: Yet Paul validate the usefulness of the Law in Rom 3:31,He even used the LAW to validate new testament principles in 1 COR 9:13 and 1 cor 14:34, so who is fooling who? definitely not Paul except you guys who are in the habit of twisting Paul letters an using the grace of God as a license for lawlessness.Peter was apt in calling you lawless and unstable minds.
He is ignorant concerning tithing predating the Law and the priesthood of Melchizedek which you guys tried to twist without success, More so he failed to see tithing was regulated under the Law and Christians tithe by Faith and not because the Law says so...

Tgirl4real: ^^^And still on this tithe matter.

@ Drummerboy,

Howz d family?

OLAADEGBU: The purpose of the moral Law (the Ten Commandments) is to stop the sinner’s mouth of justification.

OLAADEGBU: The Law tells him what sin is (see 1 John 3:4) and stops him proclaiming his own goodness. Its intent is to drive him to the cross. John Wesley said, "The first use of [the Law], without question, is to convince the world of sin. By this is the sinner discovered to himself. All his fig-leaves are torn away, and he sees that he is ‘wretched and poor and miserable, blind and naked.’ The Law flashes conviction on every side. He feels himself a mere sinner. He has nothing to pay. His ‘mouth is stopped’ and he stands ‘guilty before God.’”

Capableben: reference

swtchicgurl: please, can u just drop briefly the bible passage that suggests tithing isn't mean for christians?

thanks

Joagbaje: The point of the thread is ,even though we are not bound by the law, yet the law contain principles that are right . The only weakness of the law is that it lack the power to make a man righteous. But it contain principles that are still relevant.

Bidam: Most of these folks hardly go to church,claiming most churches have been compromised because of the tithes.

Bidam: Funny enough they are the very ones practicing legalism and spiritual pride that they accuse tithers of.

Bidam: Someone like christemmbassey who claims he pastors a church that don't practice biblical tithing have already isolated themselves forming a separatist movement which is nothing more than a social club.

Bidam: These are also the dangerous characteristics of cults and other Christian fringe groups which often consider themselves as the only ‘true remnant’ and suffer from deception and spiritual pride.

Bidam: For those who don't go to church and who abuse leadership and biblical authority because of the tithe like drummaboy and candour,I would urge caution however, with a position which says that you must separate from all local churches because all of them are too worldly or unbiblical.

Bidam: Such a position is fraught with it's own danger because aside from Biblical fellowship with live believers, you have no checks on knowing whether you yourself are falling prey to an overly legalistic walk.

Yes, you have God’s Word, but your interpretation and application of it can easily be askew and you could wind up being deceived. You may wind up majoring on some aspects of Scripture while significantly falling short on others (grace, love, patience, edification of others). Besides all that, you wind up outside of a true Biblical authority structure which would otherwise provide additional safety. A word is enough for the wise.

Bidam: As for ALL who don't go to church anymore because of tithe and other doctrines, who spend hours lazying on the internet thinking this is Church, you need to understand that biblical separation is one thing, but refusing to participate in any local assembly because you alone understand true godliness can be an indication of spiritual pride, self-deception, and a recipe for trouble.

May the Lord guide US as WE seek to attain Biblical balance and remain true to Him. Amen!!