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Foreign Affairs › Re: Israel Orders Military To Prepare For ‘voluntary Departure’ Of Gaza Residents by GothamCities: 1:04pm On Feb 06, 2025

NOETHNICITY:
The evil military of Isreal

You want a people to depart from the land of their ancestry

I mean what evil people

It's not the land of their ancestry. Please be corrected.

If it's their ancestral land, that means they're already a nation. No need to create any nation then. We're talking about creating a Palestinian state because the nation does not exist.

The land originally belonged to Israel's ancient neighbours, the Philistines who are now extinct. It was resettled by Egyptians and Arabs in modern times. Since these people have vowed that they don't want Israel to exist, it is right for them to return to where they came from.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 12:54pm On Feb 06, 2025

Truthseeker10:
Does the diagram say God the father or that God is three persons (Father, son and holy spirit) simultaneously?

The diagram says God is three persons but the 3 are not individually the same .

Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 12:52pm On Feb 06, 2025

LordReed:
Very!

From Greenland's icy mountains,
From India's coral strand;
Where Afric's sunny fountains
Roll down their golden sand:
From many an ancient river,
From many a palmy plain,
They call us to deliver
Their land from error's chain.

Can men, whose souls are lighted
With wisdom from on high,
Can they to men benighted
The lamp of life deny?
Salvation! O salvation!
The joyful sound proclaim,
Till earth's remotest nation
Has learned Messiah's Name.

Waft, waft, ye winds, His story;
And you, ye waters, roll,
Till, like a sea of glory,
It spreads from pole to pole:
Till o'er our ransomed nature
The Lamb for sinners slain,
Redeemer, King, Creator,
In bliss returns to reign.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 12:46pm On Feb 06, 2025

Truthseeker10:
According to the diagram, is God a spirit or God is three persons(Father, son and holy spirit) simultaneously?

By saying God is Spirit, we're talking about God's makeup. Just like we say man is flesh. God is Spirit. Meanwhile, the Holy Spirit is also a personality within the Trinity on His own.

God, the Father is a Spirit Being. Not flesh. Then, there's the Holy Spirit.

Now, here's the whole thing:

God is basically The Father who created the universe and who later manifested as the Son to establish a New Creation through Jesus and also sustains His New Christian by Himself through His Holy Spirit.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 12:36pm On Feb 06, 2025

Truthseeker10:
So if the same essence of the father and son is called 'GOD' according to the diagram, explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can that verse say that no one has seen God when people actually saw Jesus?

It's simple my friend.

God is Spirit. You cannot see Him. His manifestation in bodily form which is Jesus Christ is God spiritually and man physically. That's why Jesus said:

"He Who has seen Me has seen The Father." - John 14:18.

By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus.

For example, God cannot die but the man Jesus died. However, the God Spirit within Him brought back the man to life. Now, He lives eternally.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 11:58am On Feb 06, 2025

gohf:
you speak like you know where the universe came from

Or do you like others also believe the universe did not come from God?

All in your attempt to believe a lie, to rely on more lies.

Gen.1.1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Are you ignorant of the very first sentence in your bible?

Are you also ignorant and lacking faith that you do not understand
Heb.11.3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God's command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

How long will you mislead others before you repeat. Must you teach?

I did not ask you if the universe is God's word, I asked if the universe is God because it comes from God as you claimed in error that Jesus is God because he comes from God.

I said you did not need to answer so you don't add to your blamsphemy

your Idolatry to worship three gods is your spirit of stubborness

Did you read what you typed? I don't understand how you would be providing proofs against yourself and still be feeling great.

The universe is a creation of God according to all the scriptures you quoted up there. Jesus on the other hand emanated from within the fabric and nature of God. Yes, I need to teach you if you don't know how to study the Bible for yourself. If some men in the USA are your ultimate biblical authority instead of the word of God itself.

You didn't ask me if Jesus is the Word of God but I must tell you what Jesus is and what the universe is not. You cannot compare Jesus and the universe. That's infact blasphemous.

Take your time to counter all the points I have made so far instead of building a different topic from faulty logic. You quoted scriptures that say God commanded the heavens and the earth into being, can you show me any scripture where God commanded Jesus into being?

I have shown you from deep research corroborated by AI explanations that Jesus categorically told you that He came from within God Himself and not from among the angels as you false teachers claim. I have shown you that Jesus is the Life, Begining, Resurrection and the source of all things. Tell us how Michael fits in. Which of these things I said so far are lies?

Save yourself from the destructive teachings of your cult before it's too late.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 11:25am On Feb 06, 2025

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree that the diagram below in the screenshot explains the structure of the Trinity?

We're not discussing Trinity actually. We're discussing about the origin and essence of Jesus. However, I'll oblige you.

Yeah I agree, but more than just that. God is the Father. The Father is not the Son but the Son is of the same essence as the Father. The Father and the Son are the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.

This might be too high for a human to comprehend but this is actually the reality of God. God is dissimilar to humans.

He is threw but He is one. The Trinity is not a "They' but a 'Him'.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:55am On Feb 06, 2025

gohf:
All things came from Father does that mean universe is God?

There's no need answering, is it you
Stubborness is like iniquity and Idolatry. Like your Idolatry to worship three gods is your spirit of stubborness

The universe didn't proceed from within the Father. Jesus did. The Universe was not in the beginning with God. Jesus was. The universe did not proceed proceed from God's power, authority and essence. Jesus did. The universe is not the Resurrection and the Life. Jesus is. The universe is not the Bread of Life, neither is it the Word of God, Jesus is.

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Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 10:51am On Feb 06, 2025

LordReed:
It doesn't but that's because I'm the one already living in reality while you are LARPing.

Hilarious!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 6:18am On Feb 06, 2025

gohf:
2Cor.11.12 - But I will continue doing this to cut the ground out from under the feet of those who boast that their work is just like ours.
2Cor.11.13 - These people are false apostles. They have fooled you by disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
2Cor.11.14 - But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light.
2Cor.11.15 - So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

Jesus said He came out from within the Father, and not from among the angels. He is the Beginning and the Ending. No angel can take on that title. He is the Guest and the Life. No angel is the First. Absolutely impossible. God is the First.. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The source of Life itself. No angel is the source of Life. Absolutely impossible. Only God is the source of Life. He is the Resurrection and the Life. The Alpha and Omega. The Word of God is was in the begining with God. Without Him was not anything created that was created. God didn't create anything through any angel. He created them through His Word Jesus who became flesh and dwelt among us. His name is called The Word of God according to the book of Revelation. His name is not angel Michael.

False prophets ignore who Jesus said He is, where Jesus said He came out from, what the Scriptures wrote that He did, the names Jesus is called and the God-exclusive titles He bears to call Him Angel Michael.

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus is God. Anyone who says otherwise is a deceiver and a false prophet.

Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 6:02am On Feb 06, 2025

LordReed:
The ignorant joker here is you.

How does that change your reality?

1. Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine

Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine

Heir of salvation, purchase of God

Born of his Spirit, washed in His blood

This is my story, this is my song
Praising my Savior all the day long
This is my story, this is my song
Praising my Savior all the day long

2. Perfect submission, perfect delight

Visions of rapture now burst on my sight

Angels descending bring from above
Echoes of mercy, whispers of love

This is my story, this is my song
Praising my Savior all the day long
This is my story, this is my song
Praising my Savior all the day long
Praising my Savior all the day long

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:55pm On Feb 05, 2025

The Lord Jesus calls. Open your heart wide to Him.

Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 8:48pm On Feb 05, 2025

SeraphicWind:
Wow. Learnt something from this. Very Powerful.

Remain Blessed.

Amen, brother.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 5:54pm On Feb 05, 2025

1. Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!

Early in the morning our song shall rise to thee.

Holy, holy, holy! merciful and mighty!

God in three Persons, blessed Trinity!

2. Holy, holy, holy! all the saints adore thee,

Casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea.

Cherubim and seraphim, falling down before thee,

Who was and is and evermore shall be.

3. Holy, Holy, Holy! though the darkness hide thee,

Though the eye of sinful man thy glory may not see,

Only thou art holy; there is none beside thee,

Perfect in pow'r, in love, and purity.

4. Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!

All thy works shall praise thy name, in earth, and sky, and sea;

Holy, holy, holy! merciful and mighty!
God in three Persons, blessed Trinity.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 5:23pm On Feb 05, 2025

The facts here cannot be denied.

Jesus is God, and not man. He's not an angel either.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 4:37pm On Feb 05, 2025

Let no man deceive you!

Jesus is not angel Michael. He is not a mere prophet. He's God.

This is not the time to be true to a religion or to some organizations. Be true to your own soul. Feed your soul with Truth. Not lies in the name of of religion. Do not sacrifice your soul or your eternity for a religion that does not save.

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Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 4:33pm On Feb 05, 2025

LordReed:
Use your almighty Jesus name to command or overpower the spirit na. Jokers. LoLz.

SMH.

If you really know how you sound uttering those ignorant words.

Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 4:02pm On Feb 05, 2025

TheDevilsBride:
War, war, war .

My dear, "souls" are as only real as your ability to prove they exist.

Honestly, the only thing tormenting me here is the profound misunderstanding of basic logic and common sense that is rampant with most of you Christians on this forum.

My body belongs to me. Your God is not even a tenant in my crib.

Heaven runs on Windows OS? Wow! Little wonder then, all the bugs present in your in religion.

Funny how you see people that seem far more knowledgeable than you as demons .

If any devil commissioned me, he really needs to start paying me and other non-believers overtime, lmao.

I'm thanking you right now, for providing excellent materials for ridicule since yesterday .

Which of the Gods, hmmm? There are thousands to choose from .

There's a reason you guys talk the same way, reason the same way and respond to atheistic criticisms the same way, even though you have no common assembly... it's because you're being ruled by the same spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 3:20pm On Feb 05, 2025

I heard a Jehovah Witness (Janosky, I suppose) arguing that Jesus is an angel because Angels are messengers sent by God on errands. And since Jesus confessed that He was sent by God, then, He must be an angel. He inadvertently ignored the fact that God sends His Word. In Isaiah 55:11, God said 'My Word will not return until me void until it has accomplished what I sent it to do.' When Jesus accomplished the work God sent Him to do, He said on the cross "It is finished!" Psalm 107:20, God sends His Word and it heals them. Jesus, the Word of God went about healing all (Acts 10:38). John 1:1 says Jesus is the Word of God, not an angel. Revelation 19:12-13 says His name is "The Word of God", not angel Michael.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 1:04pm On Feb 05, 2025

My Word to You the Reader
I don't know whom you are, whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Pagan, I see the need to resound this warning to you. Jesus is not an angel. He is not a mere messenger or prophet. He is not just an historical entity. Jesus is God's Gift of Himself to you. He came to pay man's spiritual debts. By the spiritual laws enacted by God, only man can pay man's debts. Nobody else can pay for man. It is just the law, and God Himself CAN NEVER BREAK HIS OWN LAW. God is too pure and too righteous to break even His own law for any reason. Man must pay His debts to be redeemed from eternal damnation which came as a result of the spiritual transaction that happened in Eden. Since man cannot pay, it means the entire human race is doomed. God's plan of creation is therefore ruined. Only God has the power to save man but God cannot break His law. He, in His love for man therefore had to become a man to pay man's debt so that man can be saved.

This is the mystery of salvation:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” — 1 Timothy 3:16.

John 3:16

[b']For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.'[/b]

An angel or mere prophet cannot grant you everlasting life. An angel or mere prophet has no life to give. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. No angel can ever be the Resurrection and the Life of anybody. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The very source of Life itself. No angel can ever be the source of Life for anybody. In Jesus was Life, and the Life was the Light of the world.

All you need to do to be saved is just to say a simple word of Prayer:

"Lord Jesus, I believe you gave your life for me. On Calvary, you paid my debts and brought me into Eternal Life with God. Today, I ask for the forgiveness of my sins and receive your Gift of Salvation. I invite you right now into my life. Be the Lord of my life from now on and for all eternity. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me. Now I know that I am born again."

It's just as simple as that. A new dawn will light upon your soul, You will feel the fresh breeze of Heaven blowing upon you, and the Holy Ghost giving you the assurance of salvation. You are now a new born babe in God's Kingdom. Find a Bible to read consistently for your spiritual food that you may grow. Join a Bible believing Church where the new flames of God in you can be fanned until you become a terror to the inferior kingdom of darkness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 1:02pm On Feb 05, 2025*

Let's look also at Meta AI.

My Meta AI Query 1: Let's examine John 16:27-28 together.

Response to Query 1: Let's dive into John 16:27-28 together.

John 16:27-28 says:

"For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father."

What would you like to explore or discuss about this passage?[

My Query 2:

I want to look at the Greek word that says "I came forth from The Father"

Meta AI''s Response to Query 2:

The Greek phrase you're referring to is "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros).

Let's break it down:

- "Ἐξῆλθον" (exēlthon) is the verb, which means "I came forth" or "I came out". It's in the first person singular, indicating that Jesus is speaking about himself.

- "Παρὰ" (para) is a preposition that means "from" or "beside". In this context, it indicates the origin or source of Jesus' coming.

- "Τοῦ Πατρός" (tou Patros) means "of the Father" or "from the Father". The genitive case indicates possession or origin.

So, when we put it all together, "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros) indeed means "I came forth from the Father".

What's your next question about this phrase?

My Query 3:

Does it mean that Jesus had His origin from within the Father Himself?

Meta AI's Response to Query 3:

You're digging deeper into the theology of Jesus' statement.

The phrase "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros) suggests a very intimate and intrinsic relationship between Jesus and the Father.

In this context, "ἐξῆλθον" (exēlthon) implies a coming forth from within, rather than just from a location or a source. This verb is often used in Jewish literature to describe a coming forth from within a person or a thing.

So, when Jesus says "I came forth from the Father," He's indicating that His origin, His essence, and His being are all intimately connected with the Father. It's as if He's saying, "I came forth from within the Father Himself."

This language echoes the concept of eternal generation, which is a theological idea that describes the Father's eternal begetting of the Son. It's a mysterious and complex concept, but essentially, it means that Jesus has always existed as the Son of the Father, and His origin is within the Father Himself.

What are your thoughts on this?

My Query 4 to Meta AI:

Does it mean that Jesus was talking about coming forth from the Father's Heaven as a location?

Meta AI's Response to My Query 4:

You're offering an alternative interpretation.

In this view, "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros) could be understood as Jesus saying, "I came forth from the Father's heavenly realm" or "I came forth from the Father's presence in heaven."

This interpretation emphasizes Jesus' pre-existent state in heaven with the Father before He came to earth. It's as if He's saying, "I left the Father's heavenly realm to come into the world."

This understanding is plausible, especially considering other passages that describe Jesus' pre-existent state and His coming from heaven (e.g., John 1:1-14, Philippians 2:5-11).

However, the phrase "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (para tou Patros) still suggests a deeper, more intimate relationship between Jesus and the Father than just a physical location.

What do you think about this interpretation?

My Query 5 to Meta AI:

Explain further

Meta AI's Response to My Query 5:

Let's break down the phrase "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (para tou Patros) further.

"Παρὰ" (para) is a Greek preposition that can be translated as "from," "beside," or "in the presence of." In this context, it indicates the origin or source of Jesus' coming.

"Τοῦ Πατρός" (tou Patros) means "of the Father" or "from the Father." The genitive case "τοῦ Πατρός" suggests a possessive or relational connection between Jesus and the Father.

When combined, "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" emphasizes Jesus' intimate relationship with the Father. It's not just a statement about physical location (i.e., coming from heaven) but also highlights Jesus' divine origin and connection to the Father.

In this sense, Jesus is saying that He came forth from the Father's presence, authority, and essence. This phrase underscores the deep, mystical bond between Jesus and the Father, which is central to John's Gospel.

Does this help clarify the meaning of "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός"?

Christianity Etc › Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:19am On Feb 05, 2025*

Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses

Jehovah Witnesses have always claimed that Jesus is Angel Michael while the Muslims claim that Jesus is just a mere messenger like any other. However, while studying the Scriptures of recent, I discovered that Jesus actually declared His origin. Therefore, all these arguments about who Jesus is are practically unnecessary.

In a previous thread, I have showed from Malachi 5:2 that Jesus is from Everlasting according to the scriptures. That is to say, He is from the eternal past. He has no beginning. You can take a look at the thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/8308122/ot-verse-strongly-proves-jesus.

In this new thread, we are going to further establish the Divinity of Jesus from His own Words taken from John 16:27-28. After making my deap research on the verses, I took my time with Chatgpt and Meta AI to further clarify my findings. Hence, I would just allow the two AIs to speak on this thread because I have seen that so many are very much averse to the truth. They reject he truth when it is shown to them even in plain sight. I hope these haters of truth would find solace in arguing with AIs this time around. The AIs broke down the verses and provided in-depth explanations of the Greek words used by Jesus in John 16:27-28:

First, let us take a look at ChatGPT.

My Query: Let's take a look at John 16:27-28. I want to see the full meaning and import of Jesus' statements in that verse about Him coming forth from the Father. Examine the Greek words used in the sentences of these verses to see whether Jesus said He came forth from the Father in terms of Heaven as a location where the Father dwells or in terms of essence and origination from within the Father Himself.

Response from ChatGPT

John 16:27-28 states:

- 27 "For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.'
- 28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

To fully grasp the meaning of Jesus' words, we need to examine the Greek text and analyze the key terms.

Greek Analysis of John 16:27-28

1. John 16:27 – "ἐγὼ γὰρ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον"
- ἐκ (ek) – "out of," "from within," "proceeding from"
- τοῦ Θεοῦ (tou Theou) – "of God" or "from God"
- ἐξῆλθον (exēlthon) – "I came forth," "I went out"

2. John 16:28 – "ἐξῆλθον ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ ἐλήλυθα εἰς τὸν κόσμον"
- ἐξῆλθον (exēlthon) – "I came forth"
- ἐκ (ek) τοῦ Πατρός (tou Patros) – "out of the Father"
- καὶ ἐλήλυθα (kai elēlytha) – "and have come"
- εἰς τὸν κόσμον (eis ton kosmon) – "into the world"

3. John 16:28 (last part) – "πάλιν ἀφίημι τὸν κόσμον καὶ πορεύομαι πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα"**
- πάλιν (palin) – "again"
- ἀφίημι (aphiēmi) – "I leave"
- τὸν κόσμον (ton kosmon) – "the world"
- καὶ πορεύομαι (kai poreuomai) – "and I go"
- πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα (pros ton Patera) – "to the Father"

Interpretation of Jesus' Words

1. "I came forth from the Father" – A Statement of Divine Origin?
- The use of ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός (ek tou Patros, "out of the Father" in John 16:28 strongly implies that Jesus is speaking of something more than just a change in location.

- The preposition ἐκ (ek) typically denotes origin, source, or derivation from within something, rather than merely departure from a place.

- This suggests that Jesus is referring to an ontological or essential coming forth from the Father rather than merely stating that He came from a place called Heaven.

2. Comparison with John 8:42 – "I proceeded forth and came from God
- In John 8:42, Jesus says, ἐγὼ γὰρ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον καὶ ἥκω", meaning "I came forth from God and have come."

- The verb ἐξῆλθον (exēlthon) is used again, as in John 16:27-28, reinforcing the idea of proceeding out of God's very being, not merely coming from a location.

3. Theological Implication – Eternal Generation of the Son
- The Greek phrase ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός aligns with the doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son in classical Christian theology.

- This doctrine teaches that the Son is eternally begotten of the Father, meaning He derives His divine essence from the Father but was never created.

- This aligns with John 1:1-2, where it is said that "the Word was with God, and the Word was God," and John 1:14, "the Word became flesh."

4. "I leave the world and go to the Father" – Speaking of His Ascension
- The second part of John 16:28, "I leave the world and go to the Father, refers to His physical return to the Father through His ascension after completing His work on earth.

- Here, "πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα" (pros ton Patera, "to the Father" suggests movement toward a person rather than emphasizing origin.

Conclusion: Location or Essence?
- The use of ἐκ (ek) in "ἐξῆλθον ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός" suggests that Jesus is emphasizing His eternal relationship to the Father rather than simply stating that He came from Heaven as a location.

- The language fits within the larger Johannine theme of Jesus being the eternal Son who is of the same essence as the Father (John 1:1, John 10:30).

- Therefore, Jesus' statement in John 16:28 is not just about geographical departure from Heaven but about His divine origin from the Father Himself.

Above are the words of ChatGPT quoted verbatim. AI is the go-to-tool for in-depth research and information gathering even in Academia nowadays. If you disparage the information provided by AI simply because it doesn't align with your doctrines, you're simply ignorant. Now, check the next post for responses on the same topic from Meta AI.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 6:32pm On Feb 04, 2025*

Janosky:

Shebi Jesus is speaking to Gotham & everyone @John 20:17,31?

Pseudo christian,Just continue in your folly.

As long as the questions asked are already answered in your heart. It's no issue.

Your limited understanding of what Jesus is saying does not change the fact that Jesus cannot be an angel.

Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. An angel can never be the Resurrection and the Life of anybody.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 10:02am On Jan 31, 2025

Janosky:

Mark 12:29
"Yeshua said to him, “The first of all the commandments: 'Hear Israel, THE LORD JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH, he is One"

You are a woke pagan, pseudo christian.
Woke pagans don't understand Mark 12:29 nor the holy scriptures.
b.

I believe you have answered my questions in your heart. If Jesus is not God, then by all indications, you worship two gods while I worship only one God.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 8:36am On Jan 30, 2025

Janosky, let's take a closer look at our discussion about the Trinity.

For example, I know we have a common ground regarding the New Creation doctrine. You and I believe that there's a new heaven and a new earth in our future which shall be inhabited by the New Creation as the Old Creation shall pass away.

Please understand that God is the only Creator, He created the first Creation. Do you think that God will put the second Creation into the hands of an angel? No, God will do it Himself. Both the first and second creations are God's personal undertakings. Hence, as the first Creation was not undertaken by an angel, even so the second creation, which is a correction of the corrupted and old creation cannot be entrusted to an angel. God has to do it by Himself, and this time in the form called Jesus Christ.

Again, take a look at some of Jesus' words and have your own individual reflection at them, you would conclude that an angel cannot talk the way Jesus talks. Take for example, His discourse in John 6. Maybe you can go through the whole chapter again and reflect on the possibility of the speaker being an angel. It would be repulsive to your spirit. Let me highlight verses 50 and 51 as an illustration.

"This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Can you imagine any angel being the Living Bread or the Bread of Life? It's not possible. The only Life Source in the entire universe is God.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:28am On Jan 30, 2025*

Janosky:

These are Trinitarian Bibles
Malachi 3:1, Douay -Rheim Catholic Bible- Jesus is angel.
Malachi 3:1, Genesis 16:7, Geneva Bible, Amplified Bible, Jesus is an angel.
Daniel 10:13, Daniel 12:1, Jesus is archangel Michael.

Steep & DaddyCoool agreed you worship 2 persons

Read the screenshot evidence of your Trinitarian devotees ,Steep & DaddyCoool exposing your folly.

Omo,Confusion from the same ghost deity.

No, i believe you don't understand what Steep and DaddyCool are saying.

There's only one God. His name in the Old Testaments is Jehovah. His name in the New Testament is Jesus, and in the world to come, He'll still have a new name.

The reason you have troubles is that you're a man and cannot fathom how God can be one Person and three Persons at the same time. It's beyond the scope of your understanding. And that is rightly so. If your God can be explained, he is most likely a man like you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:23am On Jan 30, 2025

Janosky:
John 17:7
Jesus said "Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you."

Jesus Christ said he can't bear titles his God didn't give him.
John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 11:3, Jesus Christ is inferior to God the Supreme Being,his Father.

Gotham,You are now LYING to save face.

Jesus never said He can't bear titles His God didn't give Him. You yourself know you lied.

The thing is that the Bible attributes the same titles God have, also to Jesus. If Jabisky claims that two different people are having those titles , then, janosky has two Gods. But if the titles Belong to One Person, then, the two seemingly different people are not two, but the selfsame person.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 2:36pm On Jan 29, 2025*

Janosky:
Pls Read the screenshots of 1599 Geneva Bible & other evidences.
Geneva Bible older than your KJV deceiving you.

The 2 questions you dodge is very relevant:
@ Matthew 4:10, did Jesus instruct Gotham to worship 2 persons?

@ Revelation 19:10, did Jesus instruct John or the angel to worship 2 persons?

When Gotham quote a verse conflicting with the teaching of Jesus Christ is Gotham LYING?

Yes, definitely!
Because that verse rendition is NOT authentic.
No scripture should conflict Jesus teaching..

Geneva Bible does not speak for all Trinitarians. It does speak for itself.

The question I must ask you is, did Gotham tell Janosky he worships two persons?

I have in my previous post given you all the titles of God which are also borne by Jesus. Only God has those titles. Since there are no two Gods. Only one God. If Jesus bears the same titles as God, then Jesus is God.

This poses a problem to you folks because if Jesus bears the same titles as God. I mean the titles only God bears, and Janosky says Jesus is not God, then, janosky actually has two Gods.

It seems your organization first picked your heretic teaching of Jesus being angel Michael from the Geneva Bible.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 1:23pm On Jan 28, 2025*

Janosky:
1. It is on record that Trinitarians agreed that Jesus is archangel Michael.
Your denial is inconsequential.
Jesus is mighty God, Jehovah his Father is Almighty God.
Go and rest jare.

Let me ask you 2 questions:
@ Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 19:10, you quoted, Gotham worship and serve whom ALONE?

Did the angel instruct John to worship Jesus?

Gotham,You are pseudo christian forming Christianity worshipping 2 persons.
Screenshot evidence against your Matthew 28:17 quote.

Trinitarians actually don't agree that Jesus is angel Michael. This is falsehood .

All the scriptures I quoted in which the word proskuneo (worship) appeared both for God and Jesus already settled the matter.

Who is the Everlasting Father? Who is the Beginning and the Ending? Who is the Ancient of Days? God, isn't it? Jesus also goes by all those titles. God and Jesus is the same Person.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:53pm On Jan 26, 2025

Janosky:
3 Evidences against your claim:

(1) Bible study tools.org , your fellow Trinitarians
Gotham, the fundamental, primary meaning of Greek proskuneo is not worship, your claim is FALSE and faulted by your Trinitarian scholars .

(2)
The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible confirm that faulted your claim.
Hebrew 1:6 Catholic New Jerusalem Bible
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage."

(3) Screenshot
When you prostrate for your Daddy G.O, do you agree that you gave Daddy G.O. "a form of worship ?"

Please desist from idolatry.

It has nothing to do with trinitarians.

Jesus is not angel Michael. The Scriptures themselves say Jesus is Everlasting Father and Mighty God.

Proskuneo is the same word translated worship in Luke 24:52 and Mathew 28:17 where Jesus was worshipped by the disciples as He ascended.

"Proskuneo" (προσκυνέω) is the same word used in several Bible verses in direct reference to worshiping God.

Here are a few examples:

Matthew 4:10: Jesus says, "You shall worship (proskuneo) the Lord your God, and serve Him only."

Matthew 15:9: Jesus quotes Isaiah 29:13, saying, "And in vain they worship (proskuneo) Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

John 4:20-24: Jesus discusses worship with the Samaritan woman, saying, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship (proskuneo) the Father in spirit and truth."

Revelation 19:10 and 22:9: The apostle John falls down to worship (proskuneo) an angel, but the angel tells him to worship (proskuneo) God instead.

These verses demonstrate that "proskuneo" is indeed used in reference to worshiping God in the Bible, and its the same word used in worshipping Jesus in Mathew 28:17, Luke 24:52 and Hebrews 1:6.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:10pm On Jan 26, 2025

Janosky:
[b]

Please stop LYING.
You too dey deceive yourself.
The primary, fundamental meaning/ definition of proskuneo is homage, kneeling,to prostrate ..
Bible study tools.org is Trinitarian website.
As we shall see, Greek-English lexicons give two basic definitions of proskyneō, one of which is primary and fundamental, and the other of which is secondary and derivative. The primary meaning is “to kneel before someone” or “to prostrate oneself before someone”. [/b]This is a bodily expression of paying homage to someone without necessarily ascribing deity to him (e.g., bowing before a Roman centurion). But in some contexts, proskyneō can have the derivative sense of worship. Whereas the primary meaning does not necessarily involve the attribution of deity, the second may involve divine worship.

When we encounter proskyneō in the New Testament, the question of which is its intended meaning can often be resolved by seeing who the object of the proskyneō is. If the object is God, then proskyneō would imply divine worship (e.g., Mt.4:10, “You shall worship the Lord your God ALONE”). But if the object is a human dignitary such as a Roman commander, then proskyneō would mean kneeling or paying homage without the attribution of deity.

Jesus said worship Jehovah your God ALONE,@ Matthew 4:10.
You Gotham would dodge this question;
According to Jesus Christ,How many person is worshipped @ Matthew 4:10?
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You're not getting it.

The word is more translated worship as I have explained. However, even homage itself is another form of worship.

Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 3:08pm On Jan 26, 2025*

Janosky:
The basic meaning of Greek proskyneu is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskyneu to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.

@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

The Greek word translated worship is προσκυνήσω. It means worship or homage but its major use is 'worship'.

The Greek word προσκύνησις also means worship and homage but its major use is homage.

If homage was intended for Hebrews 1:6, the word in that verse would be προσκύνησις and not προσκυνήσω But since προσκυνήσω is the word used, the most accurate translation is worship.

"...let all the angels of God προσκυνήσω (worship) Him." This is Hebrews 1:6.

"...let all.the angels of God προσκύνησις (homage) Him." This is not Hebrews 1:6.

That verse also shows Jesus is not angel Gabriel.

"...let all the angels of God worship Him." If Jesus was an angel, then, the verse would read: "...let the all the remaining angels worship Him " or '...let all other angels worship Him."

In conclusion, please note that homage itself is a form of worship.

Deuteronomy 5:9 and Exodus 20:5 actually forbids Israelites from bowing down, paying homage or doing obeisance to any other entity except God. This is the reason why Mordecai didn't do obeisance or pay homage to Haman.

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